Such is the case for me also: by which I mean command+optionplusup or down to
move to top and bottom respectively.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 4:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
>
Not to perpetuate the earlier discussion, but for me, moving from top to bottom
of the mailbox list is accomplished by pressing CMD-Option plus up or down
arrow to move to the top or bottom respectively. Just mentioning this in case
that turns out to be the case for Kevin as well.
Cheers,
Hi Kevin,
When in the Mail app on your Mac, you can easily move to the top or bottom of
the mailbox list by pressing the Option key, then use the Up Arrow to move to
the first item in the mailbox list, or press the down Arrow to move to the last
item in the mailbox list.
You can move between
When one responds to perceived "negative/obnoxious" behavior with
the same, no on wins, everybody loses. 'Nuff said.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
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On
Guys,
I’ll jump back in here. I tried the stuff we’re talking about and here is what
happens for me.
First, keep in mind that I am a low vision person who can observe certain
outcomes on screen.
2. This all started in my Google mailbox within Apple Mail on an M1 MacBook
Pro running
Hi Brad,
That’s very possible. That’s why I said it appears to be system wide. I can’t
say that I’ve tried it in every single app on my Mac. I just wanted newer
users to know that they might have to add the VO modifier keys for it to work.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Brad
Hi ET, true they are off topic, but a good pissing contest helps to brighten an
otherwise dreary Sunday afternoon. don’t you agree?
Sent from my IPhone
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, it has to do with the list
Hi Donna,These are all native Mac apps. Behavior may be different with non-native Mac apps.HTH.- Brad -On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:54, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:Hi Brad,I can tell you that on my Mac, I see the same behavior in Mail, Text Edit, Pages, and Safari. So it would appear to be
With all due respect, it has to do with the list environment, and therefore
belongs here. It is not OK for one member to create an unpleasant list
environment for others, by criticizing, denigrating, or invalidating others’
posts. We all post things that are for whatever reason not accurate
Hi Brad,
I can tell you that on my Mac, I see the same behavior in Mail, Text Edit,
Pages, and Safari. So it would appear to be system wide.
Donna
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:15 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>
> Hello Donna and all,
>
> What you are experiencing has to do with the behavior of
Do us all a favor and take this off list where it belongs.
Personality conflicts are off topic as they have nothing to do with
Apple products.
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
Hello Donna and all,What you are experiencing has to do with the behavior of VoiceOver navigation within a specific application, such as Mail, TextEdit, or other native Mac applications.This is a separate issue from modifying the behavior of the arrow keys while holding down only the Fn key.-
Thanks, Michael and Dave. Very glad that you can reproduce what I’m seeing.
Dave, I’ve used the Mac long enough that I don’t go into keyboard help all that
often. What you said about the longer explanation is interesting, I hadn’t
stuck around in Help long enough to hear all that. I think I
I’ve noticed a subtle difference when experimenting in the VO keyboard help
mode.
With just Fn and the left/right the announcement is Home and end, as reported.
However when holding Fn plus VO and pressing left arrow, a moment after saying
home it will also announce “Go to beginning, moves the
Hi Donna!
OK, I see now!
I can verify that this is the case for me as well.
E.G.
1. Open a email message (this one I’m in now for example)
2. Press fn+left or fn+right
3. Nothing Happens, focus stays in the current position.
4. Press fn+VO+Left or FN+VO+Right will move you to the start or end
Hi Michael,
So if I go into keyboard help and press those keys—exactly as you describe—VO
does say Home, End etc. But if I press FN plus an arrow key without the VO
modifier while in a document, webpage etc,nothing happens.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Michael Babcock wrote:
Hi Donna!
To verify, when you press and hold FN, while pressing left or right in keyboard
help mode with VO+K your saying your computer doesn’t say home or end unless
you press the VO keys as well?
That is strange, on this MacBook Air, I can do the following steps:
1. Press VO+K to enter
Brad,. I am really tired of the obnoxious behavior you display on this list.
Either learn to be civil, or get off the list.
I can reproduce this behavior flawlessly, and without exception. Just pressing
the FN key does NOTHING! So, you can be rude all you want, but I’m going to
post my
Hi Donna,You can disagree all you want, but the VO key is not necessary to change the behavior of the arrow keys when using the Fn key.- Brad -On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:Sorry, Brad, but I have to disagree. When I just press the FN key nothing happens.
Sorry, Brad, but I have to disagree. When I just press the FN key nothing
happens. When I press the VO modifier, the keys behave as you describe.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:27 AM, Bradford Snyder wrote:
>
> Changing the behavior of the arrow keys is not a function of VoiceOver,
>
Changing the behavior of the arrow keys is not a function of VoiceOver,
therefore it is not necessary to use the VO modifier in order to use the
alternate actions of the arrow keys as described in my original response.
You can test this by turning on Keyboard Help, then press the different arrow
Just one addition to this, for me to use these commands, I also have to hold
down the VO keys. So, VO-FN-right arrow for home, etc.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 7, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Bradford Snyder wrote:
>
> If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
> Left Arrow becomes the
Thanks. I'll check it out.
On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:00:27 PM UTC-6 wb...@swbell.net wrote:
> If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
> Left Arrow becomes the Home key.
> Right Arrow becomes the End key.
> Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key.
> Down Arrow becomes
If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
Left Arrow becomes the Home key.
Right Arrow becomes the End key.
Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key.
Down Arrow becomes the Page Down key.
HTH.
- Brad -
On Jan 7, 2023, at 16:41, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
Sometimes, I don’t have my
Sometimes, I don’t have my full extended keyboard and have to type on just my
MacBook Pro keyboard. But I don’t have Page Up/Down or Home and End keys. How
does one compensate for this?
Thanks,
Kevin
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