Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Sadam Ahmed]

An excellent summary.

I'll wait for  the second or third revision if  I update at all.

At least at this stage Safari isn't to bad with Yosemite.

All I can say is that  quality control  isn't what it use to be at Apple.

Sadam Ahmed

College of Business

RMIT University

On 11/23/2015 4:33 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I am using El Capitan, although honestly, it is a strained experience, and if I 
had not now become accustomed to it, I’d find it hard to justify staying with 
it—perhaps I may yet downgrade, or switch platforms.  As Sadam says, the real 
pain point is Safari: text editing, non-reachability of form elements within 
table cells, activities that fail to operate correctly.  It’s great to see 
Apple make VO more responsive and even add features, but all of that comes to 
nothing if they don’t fix the ing bugs!



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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Scott Granados]

I for one have had very good success.  I’m using mail in the newer threaded 
view, safari and things like shell and such with out any issue.  Finding it 
also very snappy.  I figured I was lucky though or I’m not a power user enough 
to use the advanced features that others may have issues with.  Not sure but 
put me down as happy on El Capitan.


> On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Sadam,
> 
> Remember though, you said beta.  I'm not running the beta.  I'm on the actual 
> 10.11.1 official release.  I'm not sure if that's rellavent or not, honestly.
> 
> Again, I am not doubting for even a fraction of a second that lots of you 
> have had, or still are! having trouble.  Don't forget about the disaster I 
> ran into the first time I tried installing.  God, what a nightmare that was!
> 
> I may have gotten lucky.  I dono.  Here is something though to consider.
> 
> I wonder how much of it has to do with what items run at logon, and in 
> general, what items are installed, vs. not! installed.
> 
> I dono, it's just a thought.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sadam Ahmed" <sadam.li...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> All I can say is you got lucky.
> 
> After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for now.
> 
> Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of my 
> problems.
> 
> But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.
> 
> Yours truly,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I have a question.
>> 
>> I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
>> Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.
>> 
>> Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually 
>> worth the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and 
>> the only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro. I am 
>> running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official 
>> release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my 
>> initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about 
>> taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I 
>> figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of 
>> research this last week.
>> 
>> We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
>> coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
>> attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, 
>> granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is 
>> pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, 
>> and I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on 
>> this list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t 
>> even notice it in the least.
>> 
>> Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
>> well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant 
>> me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  
>> Again, OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.
>> 
>> So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
>> say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of 
>> a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really 
>> seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility 
>> that others still are.
>> 
>> So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
>> settled down, as far as stability goes.
>> 
>> I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
>> seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have 
>> been fixed.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I can't say I'm a huge fan of Terminal with VoiceOver. Unfortunately, 
it's never been great unless you use the Toggle Text Spoken feature 
which prevents the cursor from moving. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure 
that we'll ever see some improvement in this area. Terminal is usable, 
but I prefer using Terminal elsewhere for command line. It isn't as 
efficient, primarily because VoiceOver interrupts as the cursor moves, 
causing you to miss potential errors and having to look manually


I use it still, but I prefer scripts these days because of it.

App Store has gotten horrible in 10.11. Inability focus, and the 
infamous updates tab still has plenty of focus issues when checking for 
updates and updating applications. You'd think this would have been 
squashed since the initial introduction of the App Store way back, but 
apparently this is a really difficult one.


Emails don't read automatically for me, and I often have to mess around 
with it. If this is an HTML email, this becomes progressively worse, and 
I'm still a firm believer that they should switch to HTML content areas 
for HTML emails. Outlook actually does this, and VoiceOver handles HTML 
far better than it does in regular text areas.


Saying that, I still use El Capitan because I've learned to work around 
a lot of the annoyances. Hopefully when 10.11.5 hits, a lot of it will 
be gone and feel like a great experience to me.


Nicolai
On 11/23/2015 8:10 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I for one have had very good success.  I’m using mail in the newer threaded 
view, safari and things like shell and such with out any issue.  Finding it 
also very snappy.  I figured I was lucky though or I’m not a power user enough 
to use the advanced features that others may have issues with.  Not sure but 
put me down as happy on El Capitan.



On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Sadam,

Remember though, you said beta.  I'm not running the beta.  I'm on the actual 
10.11.1 official release.  I'm not sure if that's rellavent or not, honestly.

Again, I am not doubting for even a fraction of a second that lots of you have 
had, or still are! having trouble.  Don't forget about the disaster I ran into 
the first time I tried installing.  God, what a nightmare that was!

I may have gotten lucky.  I dono.  Here is something though to consider.

I wonder how much of it has to do with what items run at logon, and in general, 
what items are installed, vs. not! installed.

I dono, it's just a thought.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sadam Ahmed" <sadam.li...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?


Chris,

All I can say is you got lucky.

After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for now.

Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of my 
problems.

But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

--




On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.

Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the only 
laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro. I am running 
10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official release.  Maybe 
I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my initial disaster, 
surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about taking only my IPhone 
with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it 
a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of research this last week.

We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which attractions, 
and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, granted, it was the 
Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is pretty darn easy to 
navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and I didn’t have even 
slightly any of the issues people have reported on this list.  At least, if I 
did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even notice it in the least.

Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant me 
having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, OK, 
granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.

So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of a 
dra

Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Scott,

I may have the wrong Scott, and if so, forgive me, but are you on the 
Crowdviz Beta team?  If so, please write me off list.


I need to discuss a few things with ya.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?


I for one have had very good success.  I’m using mail in the newer threaded 
view, safari and things like shell and such with out any issue.  Finding it 
also very snappy.  I figured I was lucky though or I’m not a power user 
enough to use the advanced features that others may have issues with.  Not 
sure but put me down as happy on El Capitan.



On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Sadam,

Remember though, you said beta.  I'm not running the beta.  I'm on the 
actual 10.11.1 official release.  I'm not sure if that's rellavent or not, 
honestly.


Again, I am not doubting for even a fraction of a second that lots of you 
have had, or still are! having trouble.  Don't forget about the disaster I 
ran into the first time I tried installing.  God, what a nightmare that 
was!


I may have gotten lucky.  I dono.  Here is something though to consider.

I wonder how much of it has to do with what items run at logon, and in 
general, what items are installed, vs. not! installed.


I dono, it's just a thought.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sadam Ahmed" <sadam.li...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?


Chris,

All I can say is you got lucky.

After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for 
now.


Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of 
my problems.


But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

--




On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.


Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually 
worth the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, 
and the only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro. 
I am running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the 
official release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which 
considerring my initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a 
little leery about taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook 
with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve 
had to do quite a bit of research this last week.


We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the 
group coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, 
granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is 
pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, 
and I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on 
this list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t 
even notice it in the least.


Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info 
as well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously 
meant me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail 
app.  Again, OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked 
flawlessly.


So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going 
to say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a 
bit of a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not 
really seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that 
possibility that others still are.


So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
settled down, as far as stability goes.


I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, 
it seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things 
have been fixed.


Chris.

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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I am using El Capitan, although honestly, it is a strained experience, and if I 
had not now become accustomed to it, I’d find it hard to justify staying with 
it—perhaps I may yet downgrade, or switch platforms.  As Sadam says, the real 
pain point is Safari: text editing, non-reachability of form elements within 
table cells, activities that fail to operate correctly.  It’s great to see 
Apple make VO more responsive and even add features, but all of that comes to 
nothing if they don’t fix the ing bugs!

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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sadam,

Remember though, you said beta.  I'm not running the beta.  I'm on the 
actual 10.11.1 official release.  I'm not sure if that's rellavent or not, 
honestly.


Again, I am not doubting for even a fraction of a second that lots of you 
have had, or still are! having trouble.  Don't forget about the disaster I 
ran into the first time I tried installing.  God, what a nightmare that was!


I may have gotten lucky.  I dono.  Here is something though to consider.

I wonder how much of it has to do with what items run at logon, and in 
general, what items are installed, vs. not! installed.


I dono, it's just a thought.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sadam Ahmed" <sadam.li...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?


Chris,

All I can say is you got lucky.

After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for 
now.


Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of 
my problems.


But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.


Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually 
worth the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, 
and the only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro. 
I am running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the 
official release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which 
considerring my initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a 
little leery about taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook 
with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve 
had to do quite a bit of research this last week.


We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the 
group coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, 
granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is 
pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, 
and I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on 
this list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t 
even notice it in the least.


Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info 
as well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously 
meant me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail 
app.  Again, OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked 
flawlessly.


So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going 
to say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a 
bit of a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not 
really seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that 
possibility that others still are.


So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
settled down, as far as stability goes.


I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, 
it seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things 
have been fixed.


Chris.

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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Again, I see some things here and there, but it's minor at this point.  I 
agree, at first, it was horrible, but it's getting better... Or, at least it 
seems to be.

Chris.

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  I don’t really understand what the issues people are having are all about. 
I’ve been on El Capitan for weeks now and have had next to no problems.


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On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:


Chris, 

All I can say is you got lucky. 

After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for 
now. 

Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of 
my problems.  

But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago. 

Yours truly, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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  On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

  OK, I have a question.

  I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.

  Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually 
worth the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and 
the only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am 
running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official 
release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my initial 
disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about taking only my 
IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d 
give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of research this last 
week.

  We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the 
group coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, granted, 
it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is pretty darn 
easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and I didn’t have 
even slightly any of the issues people have reported on this list.  At least, 
if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even notice it in the least.

  Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info 
as well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant 
me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, 
OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.

  So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going 
to say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of 
a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really seeing 
any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that others 
still are.

  So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
settled down, as far as stability goes.

  I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, 
it seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have 
been fixed.

  Chris.

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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for writing in.

Maybe I wasn't clear,  I was actuly running the production version of
El Capitan when I was having issues.

I gave  it a week before going back to my old system.

It is pretty snappy with VoiceOver now almost as good as the Windows
screen readers so I guess that's a plus.

My biggest problem was with Safari and VoiceOver jumping all over the place.

Also editing text was driving me crazy.

I am not sure what's changed in the beta.

If I get lucky and score a MacBook Air for my birthday coming up might
give it another go.

Yours truly

Sadam Ahmed

College of Business

RMIT University

On 11/22/15, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> Chris,
>
> All I can say is you got lucky.
>
> After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for
> now.
>
> Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of
> my problems.
>
> But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Sadam Ahmed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> --
>
>
>
>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>
>> OK, I have a question.
>>
>> I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El
>> Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.
>>
>> Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually
>> worth the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today,
>> and the only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.
>> I am running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the
>> official release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which
>> considerring my initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a
>> little leery about taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook
>> with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve
>> had to do quite a bit of research this last week.
>>
>> We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the
>> group coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which
>> attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK,
>> granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is
>> pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari,
>> and I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on
>> this list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t
>> even notice it in the least.
>>
>> Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info
>> as well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously
>> meant me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail
>> app.  Again, OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked
>> flawlessly.
>>
>> So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going
>> to say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a
>> bit of a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not
>> really seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that
>> possibility that others still are.
>>
>> So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a
>> settled down, as far as stability goes.
>>
>> I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out,
>> it seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things
>> have been fixed.
>>
>> Chris.
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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

No problems with El Capitan.

As mark Taylor said most recently, leave well alone whilst El Capitan is 
installing as this is what I did and have suffered no issues.  I had the clean 
install and did not interfere and no problems.  I have no clue what is wrong as 
mine is rock solid.
> On 22 Nov 2015, at 11:59, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Thanks for writing in.
> 
> Maybe I wasn't clear,  I was actuly running the production version of
> El Capitan when I was having issues.
> 
> I gave  it a week before going back to my old system.
> 
> It is pretty snappy with VoiceOver now almost as good as the Windows
> screen readers so I guess that's a plus.
> 
> My biggest problem was with Safari and VoiceOver jumping all over the place.
> 
> Also editing text was driving me crazy.
> 
> I am not sure what's changed in the beta.
> 
> If I get lucky and score a MacBook Air for my birthday coming up might
> give it another go.
> 
> Yours truly
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> College of Business
> 
> RMIT University
> 
> On 11/22/15, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> Chris,
>> 
>> All I can say is you got lucky.
>> 
>> After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for
>> now.
>> 
>> Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of
>> my problems.
>> 
>> But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.
>> 
>> Yours truly,
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I have a question.
>>> 
>>> I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El
>>> Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.
>>> 
>>> Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually
>>> worth the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today,
>>> and the only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.
>>> I am running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the
>>> official release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which
>>> considerring my initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a
>>> little leery about taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook
>>> with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve
>>> had to do quite a bit of research this last week.
>>> 
>>> We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the
>>> group coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which
>>> attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK,
>>> granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is
>>> pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari,
>>> and I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on
>>> this list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t
>>> even notice it in the least.
>>> 
>>> Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info
>>> as well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously
>>> meant me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail
>>> app.  Again, OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked
>>> flawlessly.
>>> 
>>> So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going
>>> to say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a
>>> bit of a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not
>>> really seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that
>>> possibility that others still are.
>>> 
>>> So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a
>>> settled down, as far as stability goes.
>>> 
>>> I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out,
>>> it seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things
>>> have been fixed.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You wrote:

My biggest problem was with Safari and VoiceOver jumping all over the place.

Also editing text was driving me crazy.

I'm not really having issues with either of these things.

Chris.

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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist)]

I don’t really understand what the issues people are having are all about. I’ve 
been on El Capitan for weeks now and have had next to no problems.

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> On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Chris, 
> 
> All I can say is you got lucky. 
> 
> After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for 
> now. 
> 
> Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of my 
> problems.  
> 
> But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago. 
> 
> Yours truly, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I have a question.
>> 
>> I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
>> Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.
>> 
>> Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually 
>> worth the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and 
>> the only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am 
>> running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official 
>> release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my 
>> initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about 
>> taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I 
>> figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of 
>> research this last week.
>> 
>> We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
>> coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
>> attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, 
>> granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is 
>> pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, 
>> and I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on 
>> this list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t 
>> even notice it in the least.
>> 
>> Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
>> well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant 
>> me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  
>> Again, OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.
>> 
>> So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
>> say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of 
>> a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really 
>> seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility 
>> that others still are.
>> 
>> So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
>> settled down, as far as stability goes.
>> 
>> I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
>> seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have 
>> been fixed.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Sadam Ahmed]

Chris, 

All I can say is you got lucky. 

After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for now. 

Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of my 
problems.  

But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago. 

Yours truly, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> OK, I have a question.
> 
> I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
> Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.
> 
> Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
> the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the 
> only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am 
> running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official 
> release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my 
> initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about 
> taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I 
> figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of 
> research this last week.
> 
> We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
> coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
> attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, 
> granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is 
> pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and 
> I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on this 
> list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even 
> notice it in the least.
> 
> Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
> well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant 
> me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, 
> OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.
> 
> So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
> say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of 
> a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really 
> seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that 
> others still are.
> 
> So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
> settled down, as far as stability goes.
> 
> I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
> seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have 
> been fixed.
> 
> Chris.
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RE: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Junior Lolley KG4ITD]

Chris, I have been using El Capitan 10.11.1 since it came out.
I haven't had any problems at all.
I guess I got lucky.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 4:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.

Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the only 
laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am running 
10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official release.  Maybe 
I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my initial disaster, 
surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about taking only my IPhone 
with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it 
a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of research this last week.

We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which attractions, 
and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, granted, it was the 
Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is pretty darn easy to 
navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and I didn’t have even 
slightly any of the issues people have reported on this list.  At least, if I 
did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even notice it in the least.

Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant me 
having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, OK, 
granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.

So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of a 
drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really seeing 
any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that others 
still are.

So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
settled down, as far as stability goes.

I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have been 
fixed.

Chris.

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Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Chris Gilland]

Junior,

Can you write me off list please?  I have a quick question for you, and I lost 
your e-mail address.  I’ve not learned yet on the mac how to go about getting 
it from an e-mail message to the list.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.
> On Nov 21, 2015, at 4:44 AM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD <eagle...@fairpoint.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Chris, I have been using El Capitan 10.11.1 since it came out.
> I haven't had any problems at all.
> I guess I got lucky.
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 4:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?
> 
> OK, I have a question.
> 
> I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
> Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.
> 
> Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
> the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the 
> only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am 
> running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official 
> release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my 
> initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about 
> taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I 
> figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of 
> research this last week.
> 
> We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
> coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
> attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, 
> granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is 
> pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and 
> I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on this 
> list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even 
> notice it in the least.
> 
> Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
> well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant 
> me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, 
> OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.
> 
> So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
> say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of 
> a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really 
> seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that 
> others still are.
> 
> So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
> settled down, as far as stability goes.
> 
> I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
> seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have 
> been fixed.
> 
> Chris.
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So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Chris Gilland]

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.

Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the only 
laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am running 
10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official release.  Maybe 
I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my initial disaster, 
surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about taking only my IPhone 
with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it 
a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of research this last week.

We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which attractions, 
and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, granted, it was the 
Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is pretty darn easy to 
navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and I didn’t have even 
slightly any of the issues people have reported on this list.  At least, if I 
did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even notice it in the least.

Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant me 
having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, OK, 
granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.

So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of a 
drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really seeing 
any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that others 
still are.

So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
settled down, as far as stability goes.

I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have been 
fixed.

Chris.

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