Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Indeed, the cleanup done by the periodic scripts are not particularly 
important, although one function they provide is to invoke makewhatis, which 
allows use of the whatis command.  That I appreciate.  Since my iMac is in fact 
a fortress that runs 24/7, as all proper well-adjusted Unix boxen should, this 
isn’t a problem for me.

I agree that the article is looking a little to one side on matters of app 
cleanup, although I still don’t disagree with the conclusion; for most people, 
unless a user has recent to believe that an app is storing significant amounts 
of app data in a non-user-accessible fashion, it probably doesn’t matter.  
Having said this, yes, the places to look are in the Library folder; for 
containerised apps just Library/Containers, which includes all Mac App Store 
apps.  As a rule I simply avoid installing anything I don’t need, and always 
perform thorough cleanup (using the find utility, for example) if I make the 
mistake of installing an app I don’t want.  There are also free tools like 
AppCleaner that’ll do this for you.

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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Assuming the remaining hardware is good, have you done resets on the SMC and 
PRAM for your model?  Certainly the former is likely to help with fan problems. 
 You should be able to disconnect all power to the machine, wait a few moments, 
then reconnect it.

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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

So could it explode?  Just be careful when using it and if you can use the 
machine without the battery then that would be preferable.
> On 29 Oct 2015, at 00:46, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> basically, it aged. most Lithium Ion batteries start to swell a little with 
> age. It also doesn't help if its left on recharge all the time. The battery 
> for this white book was the original issue and started swelling about 2 years 
> ago. It got to the point where it was causing random keyboard key presses. 
> Li-ion batteries are known for this type of issue. They are also massively 
> unstable under the right conditions (its like having a hand grenade waiting 
> to go off).
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> How does a battery get swollen?
>>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 02:22, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> right now, I am not even running with a battery. I am using only the power 
>>> supply to run this thing. the battery is swollen to the point of not even 
>>> being able to fit the case. Also, I don't have the funds to go and get it 
>>> replaced. so, I do what I can with what I got.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>>> 
 I wonder whether your battery is causing overheating.  I had this issue on 
 my old Macbook pro similar age as yours, and at that time a search on the 
 internet revealed that the likely cause was the age of the battery.  I had 
 to change it and things had improved.  Just a suggestion.
> On 27 Oct 2015, at 20:23, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> ok. well, I haven't installed El Capitan here as yet (not sure my 2007 
> vintage whitebook would even allow it to install). THere are one or 2 
> other issues I have been having on this white book of mine (some random 
> crashes of voiceover, generally due to web page code viewed via safari). 
> Also, lately, the fan has been running all the time, even when I have 
> nothing going on the desktop. so far, looking through the logs hasn't 
> revealed the issue.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation 
>> to the tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of 
>> it, since it is vastly different and only included with other products 
>> and neither company has given credit to each other.
>> 
>> With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, 
>> although it's for various reasons.
>> 
>> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
>> 
>> runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have 
>> run by typing
>> 
>> ls -al /var/log/*.out
>> 
>> Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't 
>> actually clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can 
>> have support files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved 
>> states. The maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least 
>> from what I can tell when looking at them including log files. The 
>> leftovers are really where I gain some space back. I used to look for 
>> these manually.
>> 
>> Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" 
>> that isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with 
>> most applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated 
>> files around. You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob 
>> to look for them, either based on a schedule or when the maintenance 
>> scripts last ran. Of course, looking for those paths is easy enough to 
>> do, so it's not as big of a deal, but it's still time you could spend on 
>> doing something else. That's been my own experiences ever since I first 
>> started running OS X, in particular with apps not from the Mac App 
>> Store. Looking through /library/Application Support, it's easy to tell 
>> which apps require a bit more work before all of it is gone. Of course, 
>> bottom line is that you don't actually need to shell out any money for 
>> apps at all, since you can do it yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just 
>> make it easier. Oddly enough, the article only mentions caching and 
>> logging, but not the application deletion misconception. I always hear 
>> "just drag it to the trash and it's gone" which just glancing at folders 
>> shows that isn't always correct. Dragging .app to the trash doesn't 
>> clear associated files elsewhere. Of course, with apps from the Mac App 
>> Store this shouldn't be an issue.
>> 
>> Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly 
>> useful if for no other reason than it automatically warns you if 

Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Eric Oyen]

well, given its current condition, if I try to charge it, there might be n 
explosive situation develop real fast. I have been debating whether or not to 
get a new battery or save what I can and hope to get a new macbook. given my 
bills of late, saving is out of the question.

-eric

On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> So could it explode?  Just be careful when using it and if you can use the 
> machine without the battery then that would be preferable.
>> On 29 Oct 2015, at 00:46, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> basically, it aged. most Lithium Ion batteries start to swell a little with 
>> age. It also doesn't help if its left on recharge all the time. The battery 
>> for this white book was the original issue and started swelling about 2 
>> years ago. It got to the point where it was causing random keyboard key 
>> presses. Li-ion batteries are known for this type of issue. They are also 
>> massively unstable under the right conditions (its like having a hand 
>> grenade waiting to go off).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> How does a battery get swollen?
 On 28 Oct 2015, at 02:22, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 right now, I am not even running with a battery. I am using only the power 
 supply to run this thing. the battery is swollen to the point of not even 
 being able to fit the case. Also, I don't have the funds to go and get it 
 replaced. so, I do what I can with what I got.
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
 
> I wonder whether your battery is causing overheating.  I had this issue 
> on my old Macbook pro similar age as yours, and at that time a search on 
> the internet revealed that the likely cause was the age of the battery.  
> I had to change it and things had improved.  Just a suggestion.
>> On 27 Oct 2015, at 20:23, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. well, I haven't installed El Capitan here as yet (not sure my 2007 
>> vintage whitebook would even allow it to install). THere are one or 2 
>> other issues I have been having on this white book of mine (some random 
>> crashes of voiceover, generally due to web page code viewed via safari). 
>> Also, lately, the fan has been running all the time, even when I have 
>> nothing going on the desktop. so far, looking through the logs hasn't 
>> revealed the issue.
>> 
>> any ideas?
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation 
>>> to the tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of 
>>> it, since it is vastly different and only included with other products 
>>> and neither company has given credit to each other.
>>> 
>>> With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, 
>>> although it's for various reasons.
>>> 
>>> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
>>> 
>>> runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they 
>>> have run by typing
>>> 
>>> ls -al /var/log/*.out
>>> 
>>> Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't 
>>> actually clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can 
>>> have support files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved 
>>> states. The maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least 
>>> from what I can tell when looking at them including log files. The 
>>> leftovers are really where I gain some space back. I used to look for 
>>> these manually.
>>> 
>>> Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" 
>>> that isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with 
>>> most applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated 
>>> files around. You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob 
>>> to look for them, either based on a schedule or when the maintenance 
>>> scripts last ran. Of course, looking for those paths is easy enough to 
>>> do, so it's not as big of a deal, but it's still time you could spend 
>>> on doing something else. That's been my own experiences ever since I 
>>> first started running OS X, in particular with apps not from the Mac 
>>> App Store. Looking through /library/Application Support, it's easy to 
>>> tell which apps require a bit more work before all of it is gone. Of 
>>> course, bottom line is that you don't actually need to shell out any 
>>> money for apps at all, since you can do it yourself. CleanMyMac and 
>>> Cocktail just make it easier. Oddly enough, the article only mentions 
>>> caching and logging, but not the application deletion misconception. I 
>>> always hear 

Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

How does a battery get swollen?
> On 28 Oct 2015, at 02:22, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> right now, I am not even running with a battery. I am using only the power 
> supply to run this thing. the battery is swollen to the point of not even 
> being able to fit the case. Also, I don't have the funds to go and get it 
> replaced. so, I do what I can with what I got.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
> 
>> I wonder whether your battery is causing overheating.  I had this issue on 
>> my old Macbook pro similar age as yours, and at that time a search on the 
>> internet revealed that the likely cause was the age of the battery.  I had 
>> to change it and things had improved.  Just a suggestion.
>>> On 27 Oct 2015, at 20:23, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok. well, I haven't installed El Capitan here as yet (not sure my 2007 
>>> vintage whitebook would even allow it to install). THere are one or 2 other 
>>> issues I have been having on this white book of mine (some random crashes 
>>> of voiceover, generally due to web page code viewed via safari). Also, 
>>> lately, the fan has been running all the time, even when I have nothing 
>>> going on the desktop. so far, looking through the logs hasn't revealed the 
>>> issue.
>>> 
>>> any ideas?
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi!
 
 MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation to 
 the tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of it, 
 since it is vastly different and only included with other products and 
 neither company has given credit to each other.
 
 With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, although 
 it's for various reasons.
 
 sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
 
 runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have 
 run by typing
 
 ls -al /var/log/*.out
 
 Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't 
 actually clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can 
 have support files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved 
 states. The maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least from 
 what I can tell when looking at them including log files. The leftovers 
 are really where I gain some space back. I used to look for these manually.
 
 Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" 
 that isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with most 
 applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated files 
 around. You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob to look 
 for them, either based on a schedule or when the maintenance scripts last 
 ran. Of course, looking for those paths is easy enough to do, so it's not 
 as big of a deal, but it's still time you could spend on doing something 
 else. That's been my own experiences ever since I first started running OS 
 X, in particular with apps not from the Mac App Store. Looking through 
 /library/Application Support, it's easy to tell which apps require a bit 
 more work before all of it is gone. Of course, bottom line is that you 
 don't actually need to shell out any money for apps at all, since you can 
 do it yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just make it easier. Oddly enough, 
 the article only mentions caching and logging, but not the application 
 deletion misconception. I always hear "just drag it to the trash and it's 
 gone" which just glancing at folders shows that isn't always correct. 
 Dragging .app to the trash doesn't clear associated files elsewhere. Of 
 course, with apps from the Mac App Store this shouldn't be an issue.
 
 Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly 
 useful if for no other reason than it automatically warns you if any 
 leftovers are still around when deleting applications. It's easy enough to 
 forget about.
 
 Nicolai
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
> wrote:
> 
> In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately 
> similar to the dubious Windows program.
> 
> I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of 
> why Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
> http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/
> 
> A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on 
> only occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
> (daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.
> 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Eric Oyen]

basically, it aged. most Lithium Ion batteries start to swell a little with 
age. It also doesn't help if its left on recharge all the time. The battery for 
this white book was the original issue and started swelling about 2 years ago. 
It got to the point where it was causing random keyboard key presses. Li-ion 
batteries are known for this type of issue. They are also massively unstable 
under the right conditions (its like having a hand grenade waiting to go off).

-eric

On Oct 28, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> How does a battery get swollen?
>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 02:22, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> right now, I am not even running with a battery. I am using only the power 
>> supply to run this thing. the battery is swollen to the point of not even 
>> being able to fit the case. Also, I don't have the funds to go and get it 
>> replaced. so, I do what I can with what I got.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder whether your battery is causing overheating.  I had this issue on 
>>> my old Macbook pro similar age as yours, and at that time a search on the 
>>> internet revealed that the likely cause was the age of the battery.  I had 
>>> to change it and things had improved.  Just a suggestion.
 On 27 Oct 2015, at 20:23, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 ok. well, I haven't installed El Capitan here as yet (not sure my 2007 
 vintage whitebook would even allow it to install). THere are one or 2 
 other issues I have been having on this white book of mine (some random 
 crashes of voiceover, generally due to web page code viewed via safari). 
 Also, lately, the fan has been running all the time, even when I have 
 nothing going on the desktop. so far, looking through the logs hasn't 
 revealed the issue.
 
 any ideas?
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
> Hi!
> 
> MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation 
> to the tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of 
> it, since it is vastly different and only included with other products 
> and neither company has given credit to each other.
> 
> With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, 
> although it's for various reasons.
> 
> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
> 
> runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have 
> run by typing
> 
> ls -al /var/log/*.out
> 
> Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't 
> actually clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can 
> have support files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved 
> states. The maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least 
> from what I can tell when looking at them including log files. The 
> leftovers are really where I gain some space back. I used to look for 
> these manually.
> 
> Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" 
> that isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with most 
> applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated files 
> around. You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob to look 
> for them, either based on a schedule or when the maintenance scripts last 
> ran. Of course, looking for those paths is easy enough to do, so it's not 
> as big of a deal, but it's still time you could spend on doing something 
> else. That's been my own experiences ever since I first started running 
> OS X, in particular with apps not from the Mac App Store. Looking through 
> /library/Application Support, it's easy to tell which apps require a bit 
> more work before all of it is gone. Of course, bottom line is that you 
> don't actually need to shell out any money for apps at all, since you can 
> do it yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just make it easier. Oddly 
> enough, the article only mentions caching and logging, but not the 
> application deletion misconception. I always hear "just drag it to the 
> trash and it's gone" which just glancing at folders shows that isn't 
> always correct. Dragging .app to the trash doesn't clear associated files 
> elsewhere. Of course, with apps from the Mac App Store this shouldn't be 
> an issue.
> 
> Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly 
> useful if for no other reason than it automatically warns you if any 
> leftovers are still around when deleting applications. It's easy enough 
> to forget about.
> 
> Nicolai
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately 
>> 

Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Eric Oyen]

hmmm. ok. that I can accept. I do a lot of my own manual cleaning anyway. I 
also use onyx to clean up some system stuff that I, as the user, may miss. so 
far, its kept me from having really bad days on this mac. There are some 
things, though, that are a bit frustrating:
1. safari doesn't always report the correct number of elements in a page. This 
can lead to some confusion.
2. sometimes dialog boxes appear but can't be read or seen (such as those 
dreaded invisible menu boxes that some programs like to toss up at you). This 
is mostly an application issue. still, its frustrating.
3. there are just sometimes when something or another causes voiceover to 
reset. then again, I am running lion and there were a lot of issues like these 
on that version of the OS.

anyway, There are really only a few tools that I trust on my system. Mac keeper 
is not one of them.

-eric

On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

> In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately similar 
> to the dubious Windows program.
> 
> I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of why 
> Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
> http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/
> 
> A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on only 
> occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
> (daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.
> 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately similar 
to the dubious Windows program.

I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of why 
Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/

A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on only 
occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
(daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.

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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Eric Oyen]

"Clean my mac" sounds a lot like "Clean my PC" (a bit defender offering). 
honestly, I am not sure it can be trusted given the apparent close association 
(coincidence?) between the names.

-eric

On Oct 26, 2015, at 3:28 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

> Hi!
> I had that problem in the beta but then suddenly it started to work like a 
> charm again.
> I haven’t used it for a while now so i don’t know if something might be 
> broken.
> /A
>> On 24 Oct 2015, at 15:42, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> Is clean my mac completely   incompatible on el Capitan? Every time I fire 
>> it up, the app remains with no windows and is not at all functional.
>> 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Eric Oyen]

ok. well, I haven't installed El Capitan here as yet (not sure my 2007 vintage 
whitebook would even allow it to install). THere are one or 2 other issues I 
have been having on this white book of mine (some random crashes of voiceover, 
generally due to web page code viewed via safari). Also, lately, the fan has 
been running all the time, even when I have nothing going on the desktop. so 
far, looking through the logs hasn't revealed the issue.

any ideas?

-eric

On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation to 
> the tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of it, 
> since it is vastly different and only included with other products and 
> neither company has given credit to each other.
> 
> With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, although 
> it's for various reasons.
> 
> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
> 
> runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have run 
> by typing
> 
> ls -al /var/log/*.out
> 
> Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't 
> actually clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can have 
> support files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved states. The 
> maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least from what I can 
> tell when looking at them including log files. The leftovers are really where 
> I gain some space back. I used to look for these manually.
> 
> Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" that 
> isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with most 
> applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated files around. 
> You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob to look for them, 
> either based on a schedule or when the maintenance scripts last ran. Of 
> course, looking for those paths is easy enough to do, so it's not as big of a 
> deal, but it's still time you could spend on doing something else. That's 
> been my own experiences ever since I first started running OS X, in 
> particular with apps not from the Mac App Store. Looking through 
> /library/Application Support, it's easy to tell which apps require a bit more 
> work before all of it is gone. Of course, bottom line is that you don't 
> actually need to shell out any money for apps at all, since you can do it 
> yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just make it easier. Oddly enough, the 
> article only mentions caching and logging, but not the application deletion 
> misconception. I always hear "just drag it to the trash and it's gone" which 
> just glancing at folders shows that isn't always correct. Dragging .app to 
> the trash doesn't clear associated files elsewhere. Of course, with apps from 
> the Mac App Store this shouldn't be an issue.
> 
> Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly useful 
> if for no other reason than it automatically warns you if any leftovers are 
> still around when deleting applications. It's easy enough to forget about.
> 
> Nicolai
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately 
>> similar to the dubious Windows program.
>> 
>> I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of 
>> why Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
>> http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/
>> 
>> A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on only 
>> occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
>> (daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.
>> 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

I wonder whether your battery is causing overheating.  I had this issue on my 
old Macbook pro similar age as yours, and at that time a search on the internet 
revealed that the likely cause was the age of the battery.  I had to change it 
and things had improved.  Just a suggestion.
> On 27 Oct 2015, at 20:23, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> ok. well, I haven't installed El Capitan here as yet (not sure my 2007 
> vintage whitebook would even allow it to install). THere are one or 2 other 
> issues I have been having on this white book of mine (some random crashes of 
> voiceover, generally due to web page code viewed via safari). Also, lately, 
> the fan has been running all the time, even when I have nothing going on the 
> desktop. so far, looking through the logs hasn't revealed the issue.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation to 
>> the tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of it, 
>> since it is vastly different and only included with other products and 
>> neither company has given credit to each other.
>> 
>> With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, although 
>> it's for various reasons.
>> 
>> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
>> 
>> runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have run 
>> by typing
>> 
>> ls -al /var/log/*.out
>> 
>> Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't 
>> actually clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can have 
>> support files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved states. 
>> The maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least from what I 
>> can tell when looking at them including log files. The leftovers are really 
>> where I gain some space back. I used to look for these manually.
>> 
>> Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" that 
>> isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with most 
>> applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated files 
>> around. You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob to look 
>> for them, either based on a schedule or when the maintenance scripts last 
>> ran. Of course, looking for those paths is easy enough to do, so it's not as 
>> big of a deal, but it's still time you could spend on doing something else. 
>> That's been my own experiences ever since I first started running OS X, in 
>> particular with apps not from the Mac App Store. Looking through 
>> /library/Application Support, it's easy to tell which apps require a bit 
>> more work before all of it is gone. Of course, bottom line is that you don't 
>> actually need to shell out any money for apps at all, since you can do it 
>> yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just make it easier. Oddly enough, the 
>> article only mentions caching and logging, but not the application deletion 
>> misconception. I always hear "just drag it to the trash and it's gone" which 
>> just glancing at folders shows that isn't always correct. Dragging .app to 
>> the trash doesn't clear associated files elsewhere. Of course, with apps 
>> from the Mac App Store this shouldn't be an issue.
>> 
>> Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly useful 
>> if for no other reason than it automatically warns you if any leftovers are 
>> still around when deleting applications. It's easy enough to forget about.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately 
>>> similar to the dubious Windows program.
>>> 
>>> I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of 
>>> why Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
>>> http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/
>>> 
>>> A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on 
>>> only occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
>>> (daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.
>>> 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Eric Oyen]

right now, I am not even running with a battery. I am using only the power 
supply to run this thing. the battery is swollen to the point of not even being 
able to fit the case. Also, I don't have the funds to go and get it replaced. 
so, I do what I can with what I got.

-eric

On Oct 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

> I wonder whether your battery is causing overheating.  I had this issue on my 
> old Macbook pro similar age as yours, and at that time a search on the 
> internet revealed that the likely cause was the age of the battery.  I had to 
> change it and things had improved.  Just a suggestion.
>> On 27 Oct 2015, at 20:23, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. well, I haven't installed El Capitan here as yet (not sure my 2007 
>> vintage whitebook would even allow it to install). THere are one or 2 other 
>> issues I have been having on this white book of mine (some random crashes of 
>> voiceover, generally due to web page code viewed via safari). Also, lately, 
>> the fan has been running all the time, even when I have nothing going on the 
>> desktop. so far, looking through the logs hasn't revealed the issue.
>> 
>> any ideas?
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation to 
>>> the tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of it, 
>>> since it is vastly different and only included with other products and 
>>> neither company has given credit to each other.
>>> 
>>> With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, although 
>>> it's for various reasons.
>>> 
>>> sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
>>> 
>>> runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have 
>>> run by typing
>>> 
>>> ls -al /var/log/*.out
>>> 
>>> Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't 
>>> actually clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can have 
>>> support files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved states. 
>>> The maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least from what I 
>>> can tell when looking at them including log files. The leftovers are really 
>>> where I gain some space back. I used to look for these manually.
>>> 
>>> Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" that 
>>> isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with most 
>>> applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated files 
>>> around. You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob to look 
>>> for them, either based on a schedule or when the maintenance scripts last 
>>> ran. Of course, looking for those paths is easy enough to do, so it's not 
>>> as big of a deal, but it's still time you could spend on doing something 
>>> else. That's been my own experiences ever since I first started running OS 
>>> X, in particular with apps not from the Mac App Store. Looking through 
>>> /library/Application Support, it's easy to tell which apps require a bit 
>>> more work before all of it is gone. Of course, bottom line is that you 
>>> don't actually need to shell out any money for apps at all, since you can 
>>> do it yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just make it easier. Oddly enough, 
>>> the article only mentions caching and logging, but not the application 
>>> deletion misconception. I always hear "just drag it to the trash and it's 
>>> gone" which just glancing at folders shows that isn't always correct. 
>>> Dragging .app to the trash doesn't clear associated files elsewhere. Of 
>>> course, with apps from the Mac App Store this shouldn't be an issue.
>>> 
>>> Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly 
>>> useful if for no other reason than it automatically warns you if any 
>>> leftovers are still around when deleting applications. It's easy enough to 
>>> forget about.
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
 On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately 
 similar to the dubious Windows program.
 
 I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of 
 why Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
 http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/
 
 A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on 
 only occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
 (daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.
 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

MacPaw actually has an offering called CleanMyPC, which has no relation to the 
tuneup utility BitDefender provides. If it has, I'm not aware of it, since it 
is vastly different and only included with other products and neither company 
has given credit to each other.

With that out of the way, you can trust CleanMyMac. I own a copy, although it's 
for various reasons.

sudo periodic daily weekly monthly

runs  all maintenance scripts at the same time. You can verify they have run by 
typing

ls -al /var/log/*.out

Saying that, beyond doing what the maintenance scripts do, they don't actually 
clean up application leftovers. Depending on the app, you can have support 
files, caches, plugins, libraries, preferences, and saved states. The 
maintenance scripts primarily deal with logging, at least from what I can tell 
when looking at them including log files. The leftovers are really where I gain 
some space back. I used to look for these manually.

Despite that "dragging an application to the trash deletes everything" that 
isn't true with everything. I've found that to be the case with most 
applications I have, but I still see some that leave associated files around. 
You aren't going to get those unless you set up a cronjob to look for them, 
either based on a schedule or when the maintenance scripts last ran. Of course, 
looking for those paths is easy enough to do, so it's not as big of a deal, but 
it's still time you could spend on doing something else. That's been my own 
experiences ever since I first started running OS X, in particular with apps 
not from the Mac App Store. Looking through /library/Application Support, it's 
easy to tell which apps require a bit more work before all of it is gone. Of 
course, bottom line is that you don't actually need to shell out any money for 
apps at all, since you can do it yourself. CleanMyMac and Cocktail just make it 
easier. Oddly enough, the article only mentions caching and logging, but not 
the application deletion misconception. I always hear "just drag it to the 
trash and it's gone" which just glancing at folders shows that isn't always 
correct. Dragging .app to the trash doesn't clear associated files elsewhere. 
Of course, with apps from the Mac App Store this shouldn't be an issue.

Food for thought. CleanMyMac already does all of that, so it's fairly useful if 
for no other reason than it automatically warns you if any leftovers are still 
around when deleting applications. It's easy enough to forget about.

Nicolai
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> In this case it’s actually legit and the name is merely unfortunately similar 
> to the dubious Windows program.
> 
> I still wouldn’t use it, though.  Here’s as good an explanation as any of why 
> Macs really, really don’t and shouldn’t need “cleaning”:
> http://www.thesafemac.com/the-myth-of-the-dirty-mac/
> 
> A Mac that is on 24/7 has a slight advantage here over that which is on only 
> occasionally, but not by much.  Use “sudo periodic interval” 
> (daily/weekly/monthly) if your Mac is frequently shut down.
> 
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I had that problem in the beta but then suddenly it started to work like a 
charm again.
I haven’t used it for a while now so i don’t know if something might be broken.
/A
> On 24 Oct 2015, at 15:42, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Is clean my mac completely   incompatible on el Capitan? Every time I fire it 
> up, the app remains with no windows and is not at all functional.
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clean my mac on El Capitan

[Faisal ali]

Hello everyone,
Is clean my mac completely   incompatible on el Capitan? Every time I fire it 
up, the app remains with no windows and is not at all functional.

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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Have you actually grabbed the new version? :)

That used to be the issue on older versions that didn't have compatibility with 
El Capitan. You'll want to visit their website
http://macpaw.com/cleanmymac
and grab it there.

Nicolai
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Faisal ali  wrote:
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> Is clean my mac completely   incompatible on el Capitan? Every time I fire it 
> up, the app remains with no windows and is not at all functional.
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Re: clean my mac on El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Is clean my mac completely   incompatible on el Capitan? Every time I fire it 
> up, the app remains with no windows and is not at all functional.
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