Re: Big Sur first impressions
I wonder if you can use the arrow keys to navigate around in that screen. With the boot manager on Intel macs, you could use the left and right arrows to select a start up disk and then press enter. > On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > > No way can it be accessible because there's no operating system at that > point. The reason for this is probably because all the M1 stuff pre-supposes > you're using a Bluetooth keyboard. How the Bluetooth subsystem is working at > that stage of the boot process I haven't the first clue. Maybe there are no > additional key-presses involved once you hold that power button for those > five seconds. I suppose I could be brave and give it a try. > > > On 12/21/2020 10:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> I know with the M1 macs, there is a new way of selecting a start up disk, >> you hold the power button for a few seconds. With the Intel macs, you would >> hold the option key but apparently with the M1 macs you can do a bit more >> from the menu that appears if you hold the power button. Do you know if this >> menu is accessible? >> Original message: >>> You certainly said a mouthful about Messages. I've found workarounds, >>> and the 11.1 update definitely improved things, but not enough to the >>> point where I'd say it was as usable as it was on Catalina. The way >>> message conversations are selected for posting new messages or even >>> deleting the conversation requires more VoiceOver gestures/steps, too, >>> not to exclude what you wrote which is also absolutely correct. >> >> >>> I haven't tried the Dock stuff yet, but I'm sure it's exactly as you >>> reported. >> >> >>> One wonders, what were the accessibility testers thinking when it was >>> pointed out to them during the beta cycle that these things were >>> different enough such that retraining would be required? I totally had >>> to retrain myself with Messages, for sure. Unfortunately, I can't go >>> back to Catalina because I have the M1 Mac, and I took on the challenge >>> of being an early adopter, so I await improvements which will surely >>> come. There are a lot of core applications--core for my use anyway--that >>> are not yet M1-ready, and I agreed to wait for these, but I do like my >>> M1 Mini for all the core Apple stuff, except Messages,of course, and >>> probably a few more as I continue to explore Big Sur. >> >> >>> On 12/20/2020 7:25 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues. First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I made and the install completed fine. I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do. >> >> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
Re: Big Sur first impressions
No way can it be accessible because there's no operating system at that point. The reason for this is probably because all the M1 stuff pre-supposes you're using a Bluetooth keyboard. How the Bluetooth subsystem is working at that stage of the boot process I haven't the first clue. Maybe there are no additional key-presses involved once you hold that power button for those five seconds. I suppose I could be brave and give it a try. On 12/21/2020 10:44 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I know with the M1 macs, there is a new way of selecting a start up disk, you hold the power button for a few seconds. With the Intel macs, you would hold the option key but apparently with the M1 macs you can do a bit more from the menu that appears if you hold the power button. Do you know if this menu is accessible? Original message: You certainly said a mouthful about Messages. I've found workarounds, and the 11.1 update definitely improved things, but not enough to the point where I'd say it was as usable as it was on Catalina. The way message conversations are selected for posting new messages or even deleting the conversation requires more VoiceOver gestures/steps, too, not to exclude what you wrote which is also absolutely correct. I haven't tried the Dock stuff yet, but I'm sure it's exactly as you reported. One wonders, what were the accessibility testers thinking when it was pointed out to them during the beta cycle that these things were different enough such that retraining would be required? I totally had to retrain myself with Messages, for sure. Unfortunately, I can't go back to Catalina because I have the M1 Mac, and I took on the challenge of being an early adopter, so I await improvements which will surely come. There are a lot of core applications--core for my use anyway--that are not yet M1-ready, and I agreed to wait for these, but I do like my M1 Mini for all the core Apple stuff, except Messages,of course, and probably a few more as I continue to explore Big Sur. On 12/20/2020 7:25 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues. First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I made and the install completed fine. I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/09e1e5f7-33a4-08ef-8688-7b98e40fc45a%40noisynotes.com. -- The following information is important for
Re: Big Sur first impressions
OK, that’s a bit different using german voices. But most annoying to me is that I’m not able to set sleep mode longer than 2 minutes in Systempreferences > Battery. Actually I can set it longer but Systempreferences forget about it after closing it. Hopefully this is a bug and Apple will fix this. > Am 21.12.2020 um 15:19 schrieb Steve Matzura : > > Haven't had the won't-stop-speaking problem, although, M1 notwithstanding, > sometimes it's a bit slow to respond when CTRL is pressed, but I've never had > it fail to shut the thing up. > > > On 12/21/2020 4:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: >> Yes, and there are some more issues: >> Try to add a keyboard shortcut to a menu using Systempreferences > Keyboard >> >Shortcuts. On my MacBook Air 2020 with M1 chip Mac OS after a while forgets >> all added shortcuts. >> CTRL doesn’t work relaiably anymore to stop VO from speaking. At least in >> all german voices that’s the case. This issue existed in a light version >> before but now it’s unlasting. >> >> Really a disappointing OS to me as well this time. Hopefully Apple will >> discontiniuing this way. >> >> >>> Am 21.12.2020 um 01:25 schrieb Mike Arrigo : >>> >>> I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm >>> thinking about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in >>> 2008, I think this is the first time that I've considered going back to a >>> previous version of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major >>> issues. >>> First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer >>> to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur >>> 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access >>> the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery >>> to erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install >>> drive I made and the install completed fine. >>> I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. >>> Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which >>> would give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first >>> time although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in >>> dock, that action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context >>> menu for a dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or >>> right clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. >>> The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the >>> experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you >>> can't navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use >>> Voiceover's go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the >>> area that Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read >>> current line command does not work. This is the first time I've really been >>> disappointed with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely >>> I will be going back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple >>> days but if I can't make these things work better than that's what I'm >>> going to do. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E2CBE7C4-8671-49DF-A573-90ECF00F4B5A%40charter.net. >>> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To
Re: Big Sur first impressions
I know with the M1 macs, there is a new way of selecting a start up disk, you hold the power button for a few seconds. With the Intel macs, you would hold the option key but apparently with the M1 macs you can do a bit more from the menu that appears if you hold the power button. Do you know if this menu is accessible? Original message: You certainly said a mouthful about Messages. I've found workarounds, and the 11.1 update definitely improved things, but not enough to the point where I'd say it was as usable as it was on Catalina. The way message conversations are selected for posting new messages or even deleting the conversation requires more VoiceOver gestures/steps, too, not to exclude what you wrote which is also absolutely correct. I haven't tried the Dock stuff yet, but I'm sure it's exactly as you reported. One wonders, what were the accessibility testers thinking when it was pointed out to them during the beta cycle that these things were different enough such that retraining would be required? I totally had to retrain myself with Messages, for sure. Unfortunately, I can't go back to Catalina because I have the M1 Mac, and I took on the challenge of being an early adopter, so I await improvements which will surely come. There are a lot of core applications--core for my use anyway--that are not yet M1-ready, and I agreed to wait for these, but I do like my M1 Mini for all the core Apple stuff, except Messages,of course, and probably a few more as I continue to explore Big Sur. On 12/20/2020 7:25 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues. First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I made and the install completed fine. I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/09e1e5f7-33a4-08ef-8688-7b98e40fc45a%40noisynotes.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:
Re: Big Sur first impressions
Haven't had the won't-stop-speaking problem, although, M1 notwithstanding, sometimes it's a bit slow to respond when CTRL is pressed, but I've never had it fail to shut the thing up. On 12/21/2020 4:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: Yes, and there are some more issues: Try to add a keyboard shortcut to a menu using Systempreferences > Keyboard >Shortcuts. On my MacBook Air 2020 with M1 chip Mac OS after a while forgets all added shortcuts. CTRL doesn’t work relaiably anymore to stop VO from speaking. At least in all german voices that’s the case. This issue existed in a light version before but now it’s unlasting. Really a disappointing OS to me as well this time. Hopefully Apple will discontiniuing this way. Am 21.12.2020 um 01:25 schrieb Mike Arrigo : I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues. First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I made and the install completed fine. I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E2CBE7C4-8671-49DF-A573-90ECF00F4B5A%40charter.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/27535139-c647-c3df-4bbe-98a2db022c7c%40noisynotes.com.
Re: Big Sur first impressions
You certainly said a mouthful about Messages. I've found workarounds, and the 11.1 update definitely improved things, but not enough to the point where I'd say it was as usable as it was on Catalina. The way message conversations are selected for posting new messages or even deleting the conversation requires more VoiceOver gestures/steps, too, not to exclude what you wrote which is also absolutely correct. I haven't tried the Dock stuff yet, but I'm sure it's exactly as you reported. One wonders, what were the accessibility testers thinking when it was pointed out to them during the beta cycle that these things were different enough such that retraining would be required? I totally had to retrain myself with Messages, for sure. Unfortunately, I can't go back to Catalina because I have the M1 Mac, and I took on the challenge of being an early adopter, so I await improvements which will surely come. There are a lot of core applications--core for my use anyway--that are not yet M1-ready, and I agreed to wait for these, but I do like my M1 Mini for all the core Apple stuff, except Messages,of course, and probably a few more as I continue to explore Big Sur. On 12/20/2020 7:25 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues. First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I made and the install completed fine. I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/09e1e5f7-33a4-08ef-8688-7b98e40fc45a%40noisynotes.com.
Re: Big Sur first impressions
Hi! I understand you totally. Bit Sur is a bit of a disappointment in some cases. I wont give it up yet but its totally different from Catalina and other Os for Mac to me. /A > 21 dec. 2020 kl. 01:25 skrev Mike Arrigo : > > I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking > about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think > this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version > of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues. > First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer > to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur > 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access > the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to > erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I > made and the install completed fine. > I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. > Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would > give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time > although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that > action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a > dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right > clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. > The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the > experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't > navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's > go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that > Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line > command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed > with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going > back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't > make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E2CBE7C4-8671-49DF-A573-90ECF00F4B5A%40charter.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/753D640C-0DE7-47E5-8893-27B31EA3311B%40pipkrokodil.se.
Re: Big Sur first impressions
Yes, and there are some more issues: Try to add a keyboard shortcut to a menu using Systempreferences > Keyboard >Shortcuts. On my MacBook Air 2020 with M1 chip Mac OS after a while forgets all added shortcuts. CTRL doesn’t work relaiably anymore to stop VO from speaking. At least in all german voices that’s the case. This issue existed in a light version before but now it’s unlasting. Really a disappointing OS to me as well this time. Hopefully Apple will discontiniuing this way. > Am 21.12.2020 um 01:25 schrieb Mike Arrigo : > > I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking > about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think > this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version > of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues. > First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer > to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur > 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access > the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to > erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I > made and the install completed fine. > I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. > Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would > give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time > although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that > action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a > dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right > clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop. > The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the > experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't > navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's > go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that > Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line > command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed > with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going > back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't > make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E2CBE7C4-8671-49DF-A573-90ECF00F4B5A%40charter.net. > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/614B0E03-7611-42F2-9B4F-E2D111998450%40fleger.net.
