Re: how to use terminal to unzip to a folder

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

The unzip command is included in Mac OS.

On 28/7/22 16:33, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks,
That’s what I needed.



On Jul 28, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Hello,
Fairly easy way:
cd ~/Downloads/
open *.zip  &&

There is a zip command also which would use less resources as it 
doesn't open a window, using this is probably more efficient, and it 
might even have an option to delete zip files after they are 
decompressed.It It does have option  to compress only files newer or 
older than a specific date or to move files from one archive to 
another. Acopy of the   Man page formatted for the browser can be 
found at:

https://ss64.com/osx/zip.html
Though typing "man zip" in the terminal is guaranteed to give you the 
man page for the version of zip you have on your computer.

 for


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jul 27, 2022, at 13:59, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Dear List,
Can someone help me with this problem?
I want to use terminal, or a shortcut, to look in the downloads folder,
Find all zip files and extract them to a folder in my home directory 
called Books.

Here is what I come up with no good results.
ditto -x -k *.zip ~ % [200~/Users/robert/Books

Thanks,
Rob


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Re: how to use terminal to unzip to a folder

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Thanks,
That’s what I needed.


> On Jul 28, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Fairly easy way:
> cd ~/Downloads/
> open *.zip  && 
> 
> There is a zip command also which would use less resources as it doesn't open 
> a window, using this is probably more efficient, and it might even have an 
> option to delete zip files after they are decompressed.It It does have option 
>  to compress only files newer or older than a specific date or to move files 
> from one archive to another. Acopy of the   Man page formatted for the 
> browser can be found at:
> https://ss64.com/osx/zip.html 
> Though typing "man zip" in the terminal is guaranteed to give you the man 
> page for the version of zip you have on your computer.
>  for  
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2022, at 13:59, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear List,
>> Can someone help me with this problem?
>> I want to use terminal, or a shortcut, to look in the downloads folder,
>> Find all zip files and extract them to a folder in my home directory called 
>> Books.
>> Here is what I come up with no good results.
>> ditto -x -k *.zip ~ % [200~/Users/robert/Books
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>> 
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Re: how to use terminal to unzip to a folder

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
Fairly easy way:
cd ~/Downloads/
open *.zip  && 

There is a zip command also which would use less resources as it doesn't open a 
window, using this is probably more efficient, and it might even have an option 
to delete zip files after they are decompressed.It It does have option  to 
compress only files newer or older than a specific date or to move files from 
one archive to another. Acopy of the   Man page formatted for the browser can 
be found at:
https://ss64.com/osx/zip.html 
Though typing "man zip" in the terminal is guaranteed to give you the man page 
for the version of zip you have on your computer.
 for  


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 27, 2022, at 13:59, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> Can someone help me with this problem?
> I want to use terminal, or a shortcut, to look in the downloads folder,
> Find all zip files and extract them to a folder in my home directory called 
> Books.
> Here is what I come up with no good results.
> ditto -x -k *.zip ~ % [200~/Users/robert/Books
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Yes, it was amazing to reach in and pull a processor and have everything still 
work. It had some very cool early on virtualization tricks.  I always liked Sun 
hardware although it was expensive.


> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:43 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> All I can say is "wow!" I've known about hot swapping drives, of course.
> That's pretty standard in RAID. But, I wasn't aware of swapping memory
> or processors. How awesome is that? Just wow!
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> I had a bunch of very cool  Sparcs when I ran my ISP.  Sparc 20 hardware was 
>> pretty exciting at the time.  I had it loaded up with Ross processors and 
>> memory chugging away on NNTP.  The coolest hardware I ever worked with from 
>> Sun was the E10K.  It was so cool changing processors while the machine was 
>> booted, everything was hot swappable.
>> 
>> Ah, that’s back when computing was fun.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.
>>> 
>>> Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
>>> built some fun hardware in their day.
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have 
 stuck with it.  I will have to try your method.
 
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> 
> PS: To become another user I generally do:
> 
> su -u [user] -i
> 
> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
>> "substitute user identity".
>> 
>> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with 
>> somebody,
>> then the command:
>> sudo su somebody -
>> 
>> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
>> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
>> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
>> were accessed by somebody.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
>>> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds 
>>> like
>>> a fair trade.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
 
 Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it 
 into
 my sometimes slow noggin! 
 
 Janina
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
>>> automatically open.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do 
>> VO+m,
>> and go to File then Open.
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
>>> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is 
>>> simply a
>>> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
>>> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
>>> learn the Unix based operating systems.
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
>>> wrote:
 
 okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
>>> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
 
 Fun stuff,
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
>>> wrote:
> 
> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

All I can say is "wow!" I've known about hot swapping drives, of course.
That's pretty standard in RAID. But, I wasn't aware of swapping memory
or processors. How awesome is that? Just wow!

Scott Granados writes:
> I had a bunch of very cool  Sparcs when I ran my ISP.  Sparc 20 hardware was 
> pretty exciting at the time.  I had it loaded up with Ross processors and 
> memory chugging away on NNTP.  The coolest hardware I ever worked with from 
> Sun was the E10K.  It was so cool changing processors while the machine was 
> booted, everything was hot swappable.
> 
> Ah, that’s back when computing was fun.:)
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.
> > 
> > Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
> > built some fun hardware in their day.
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have 
> >> stuck with it.  I will have to try your method.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> PS: To become another user I generally do:
> >>> 
> >>> su -u [user] -i
> >>> 
> >>> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> >>> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>  I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
>  "substitute user identity".
>  
>  So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with 
>  somebody,
>  then the command:
>  sudo su somebody -
>  
>  will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
>  encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
>  available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
>  were accessed by somebody.
>  
>  
>  
>  On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  
>  wrote:
>  
> > Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> > and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds 
> > like
> > a fair trade.
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> >> 
> >> Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it 
> >> into
> >> my sometimes slow noggin! 
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> > automatically open.
> >>> 
>  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>  
>  And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do 
>  VO+m,
>  and go to File then Open.
>  
>  Scott Granados writes:
> > Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> > you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is 
> > simply a
> > flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> > extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> > learn the Unix based operating systems.
> > 
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> > know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> >> 
> >> Fun stuff,
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> > some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 
> >>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> > earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I 
> > found
> > my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> > where to 

Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I sold my /19 for a nice chunk of change.


> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Too bad. By the way, IPv4 addresses in North America are exhausted.
> There are none to be had, and haven't been any for a couple years now,
> except that someone gives up some they have.
> 
> https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> The university I work at isnt' even looking at ipv6,
>> 
>> We've just started immplimenting a new network inferstructure and IP V 6 was 
>> demed to out of scope for this prject.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 5:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
>> 
>> That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're finally 
>> moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part because they 
>> early on acquired so much 4 space.
>> 
>> So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer 
>> forward thinking, imo.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>>> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
>>> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
>>> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
>>> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
>>> 
>>> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
>>> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
>>> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
>>> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back 
>>>> in the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, 
>>>> gopher, lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get 
>>>>> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
>>>>> "globally search a regular expression and print."
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
>>>>> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep 
>>>>> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Janina
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Granados writes:
>>>>>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user 
>>>>>> for years I just didn’t think su was super user because it associates to 
>>>>>> all users not just root.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
>>>>>> environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - 
>>>>>> with no user selects root probably telling you what you already 
>>>>>> know.  (The trailing - using the environmental variables of the 
>>>>>> target user instead of the originating user)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right. 
>>>>>>  SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
>>>>>> Read more here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for 
>>>>>> granted.  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if 
>>>>>> memory serves.:)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 

Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I had a bunch of very cool  Sparcs when I ran my ISP.  Sparc 20 hardware was 
pretty exciting at the time.  I had it loaded up with Ross processors and 
memory chugging away on NNTP.  The coolest hardware I ever worked with from Sun 
was the E10K.  It was so cool changing processors while the machine was booted, 
everything was hot swappable.

Ah, that’s back when computing was fun.:)


> On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.
> 
> Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
> built some fun hardware in their day.
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have 
>> stuck with it.  I will have to try your method.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS: To become another user I generally do:
>>> 
>>> su -u [user] -i
>>> 
>>> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
>>> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
 "substitute user identity".
 
 So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
 then the command:
 sudo su somebody -
 
 will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
 encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
 available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
 were accessed by somebody.
 
 
 
 On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> a fair trade.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
>> 
>> Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
>> my sometimes slow noggin! 
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> automatically open.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
 and go to File then Open.
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply 
> a
> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> wrote:
>> 
>> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
>> 
>> Fun stuff,
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
> in
> code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Too bad. By the way, IPv4 addresses in North America are exhausted.
There are none to be had, and haven't been any for a couple years now,
except that someone gives up some they have.

https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html

Simon Fogarty writes:
> The university I work at isnt' even looking at ipv6,
> 
> We've just started immplimenting a new network inferstructure and IP V 6 was 
> demed to out of scope for this prject.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 5:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
> 
> That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're finally 
> moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part because they early 
> on acquired so much 4 space.
> 
> So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer 
> forward thinking, imo.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> > Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> > there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> > So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> > servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> > 
> > On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> > giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> > complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> > getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
> >  
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back 
> > > in the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, 
> > > gopher, lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get 
> > >> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> > >> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> > >> 
> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> > >> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep 
> > >> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> > >> 
> > >> Janina
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Scott Granados writes:
> > >>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user 
> > >>> for years I just didn’t think su was super user because it associates 
> > >>> to all users not just root.
> > >>> 
> > >>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
> > >>> environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - 
> > >>> with no user selects root probably telling you what you already 
> > >>> know.  (The trailing - using the environmental variables of the 
> > >>> target user instead of the originating user)
> > >>> 
> > >>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all 
> > >>> right.  SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  
> > >>> Interesting.  Read more here.
> > >>> 
> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> > >>> 
> > >>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for 
> > >>> granted.  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if 
> > >>> memory serves.:)
> > >>> 
> > >>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Hey, Scott:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> The feeling is mutual.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user 
> > >>>> because this is the user with extr

RE: How to use terminal?

[Simon Fogarty]

The university I work at isnt' even looking at ipv6,

We've just started immplimenting a new network inferstructure and IP V 6 was 
demed to out of scope for this prject.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 5:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to use terminal?

That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're finally 
moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part because they early 
on acquired so much 4 space.

So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer forward 
thinking, imo.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> 
> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back 
> > in the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, 
> > gopher, lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get 
> >> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> >> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> >> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep 
> >> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user 
> >>> for years I just didn’t think su was super user because it associates to 
> >>> all users not just root.
> >>> 
> >>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
> >>> environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - 
> >>> with no user selects root probably telling you what you already 
> >>> know.  (The trailing - using the environmental variables of the 
> >>> target user instead of the originating user)
> >>> 
> >>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >>> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >>> Read more here.
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >>> 
> >>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for 
> >>> granted.  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if 
> >>> memory serves.:)
> >>> 
> >>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hey, Scott:
> >>>> 
> >>>> The feeling is mutual.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user 
> >>>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will 
> >>>> trump all other permissions on the system.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their 
> >>>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Janina
> >>>> 
> >>>> Scott Granados writes:
> >>>>> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> >>>>> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> >>>>> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>

Re: How to use terminal?

[Pete Nalda]

There are only a few additions ip v6 has. Learn IPv4 and you're 75% there! ;)

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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:40 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're
> finally moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part
> because they early on acquired so much 4 space.
> 
> So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer
> forward thinking, imo.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
>> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
>> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
>> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
>> 
>> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
>> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
>> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
>> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>> 
>>Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
>>> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
>>> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
 repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
 "globally search a regular expression and print."
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
 
 
 Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
 I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
 store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
 
 Janina
 
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> associates to all users not just root.
> 
> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> user)
> 
> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> Read more here.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Scott:
>> 
>> The feeling is mutual.
>> 
>> 
>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>> other permissions on the system.
>> 
>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>>> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>>> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
 
 Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> 
> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> for a while. 
> 
> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> 1. There 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.

Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
built some fun hardware in their day.

Scott Granados writes:
> I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have stuck 
> with it.  I will have to try your method.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> > 
> > 
> > PS: To become another user I generally do:
> > 
> > su -u [user] -i
> > 
> > This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> > flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
> >> "substitute user identity".
> >> 
> >> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
> >> then the command:
> >> sudo su somebody -
> >> 
> >> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
> >> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
> >> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
> >> were accessed by somebody.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> >>> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> >>> a fair trade.
> >>> 
>  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>  
>  Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
>  
>  Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
>  my sometimes slow noggin! 
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  Scott Granados writes:
> > Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> >>> automatically open.
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> >> and go to File then Open.
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> >>> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply 
> >>> a
> >>> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> >>> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> >>> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> >>> 
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> >>> wrote:
>  
>  okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> >>> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
>  
>  Fun stuff,
>  
> > On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> >>> wrote:
> > 
> > Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> >>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> >>> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> >>> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> >>> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> >>> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
> >>> in
> >>> code?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Scott, the problem is that MIT has ignored 6 until very recently.


I work via MIT hosted machines, a good number of which are not reachable
by 6, e.g. irc.w3.org


Scott Granados writes:
> Wow, parts of 18.0.0.0/8 up for grabs.  There’s a very simple and convincing 
> argument to that complainers issues with giving IP space.  It’s IP v6.:)
> 
> Something tells me that MIT has dual stack running very very well.  Give the 
> guy a /48 and tell him to pipe down. haha
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> > 
> > Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> > there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> > So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> > servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> > 
> > On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> > giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> > complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> > getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
> >  
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in 
> >> the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, 
> >> lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> >>> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> >>> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> >>> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> >>> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
>  years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>  associates to all users not just root.
>  
>  For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
>  environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with 
>  no user selects root probably telling you what you already know.  (The 
>  trailing - using the environmental variables of the target user instead 
>  of the originating user)
>  
>  Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right. 
>   SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
>  Read more here.
>  
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>  
>  Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
>  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>  
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Scott:
> > 
> > The feeling is mutual.
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> > because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> > other permissions on the system.
> > 
> > Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> > password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> >> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> >> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>  Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>  password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>  
>  Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
>  user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in 
>  Sierra due to extra security added, any file in user space can be 
>  viewed or modified when you use the sudo command. 
>  Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>  user. This allows one to access the computer with another 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're
finally moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part
because they early on acquired so much 4 space.

So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer
forward thinking, imo.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> 
> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
> > day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
> > and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> >> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> >> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> >> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> >> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> >>> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> >>> associates to all users not just root.
> >>> 
> >>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> >>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> >>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> >>> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> >>> user)
> >>> 
> >>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >>> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >>> Read more here.
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >>> 
> >>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> >>> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> >>> 
>  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  Hey, Scott:
>  
>  The feeling is mutual.
>  
>  
>  There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>  because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>  other permissions on the system.
>  
>  Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>  password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  Scott Granados writes:
> > And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> > does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> > use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >>> 
> >>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> >>> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> >>> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> >>> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> >>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> >>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> >>> for a while. 
> >>> 
> >>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> >>> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> >>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> >>> this work.
> >>> 
> >>> Take care,
> >>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>> 
> >>> 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I believe we have Heinlein to thank for "grok."  And, indeed, Wikipedia
confirms it was "Stranger in a Strange Land."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok


Gopher is gopher because it was developed at the University of
Minnesota, where all the sports teams are "Gophers." And, it made a
great pun on "go for" something or other, which is, of course, what it
did well, your Internet step and fetch command.

And, then there's the etymology of "debug," re Admiral Grace Hopper, et
al. Try this Wikipedia for that one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debug#Origin



Scott Granados writes:
> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
>  
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> > repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> > "globally search a regular expression and print."
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> > 
> > 
> > Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> > I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> > store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> >> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> >> associates to all users not just root.
> >> 
> >> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> >> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> >> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> >> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> >> user)
> >> 
> >> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >> Read more here.
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >> 
> >> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> >> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hey, Scott:
> >>> 
> >>> The feeling is mutual.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> >>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> >>> other permissions on the system.
> >>> 
> >>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> >>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>  does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>  use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>  
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> >> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> >> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> >> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> >> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> >> for a while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> >> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> >> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> >> this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In 
> >>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I've never used ex or ed, but they're both related to vi, now usually
vim (as in improved).

Deleting files with a particular word in the filename is trivial with
the rm command.

And, I believe you can grep the contents of nonbinary files for a
particular expresion and pipe the output to rm.

I suspect there's even a way to do that with sed, but I'd have to grep
around for that! 

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Actually this is a good hint at how to do advanced commands in VI.
> 
> g/outahere/d 
> 
> will globally find every line with outta here in it and delete that line.
> 
> Perhaps we need a gred command to delete all files with a word in them :-) 
>  Actually makes me remember when I was only able to see two or three lines on 
> my Sun computer I switched from using vi to using ex. There were a couple 
> things that were difficult to do in ex blike joining two lines, but usually I 
> found I was less likely to lose the cursor in 30 lines of text, and could 
> usually get things done just as efficiently. I wonder, if we could take that 
> idea and pair it withBraille routing keys to make an efficient editor for 
> braille users. 
> 
> I expect this would be easier to create on a android based notetaker than on 
> a Macintosh.
> Any thoughts?
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> > repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> > "globally search a regular expression and print."
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> > 
> > 
> > Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> > I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> > store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> >> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> >> associates to all users not just root.
> >> 
> >> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> >> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> >> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> >> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> >> user)
> >> 
> >> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >> Read more here.
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >> 
> >> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> >> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hey, Scott:
> >>> 
> >>> The feeling is mutual.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> >>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> >>> other permissions on the system.
> >>> 
> >>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> >>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>  does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>  use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>  
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> >> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> >> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> >> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> >> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> >> for a while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> >> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> >> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> >> this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, 

Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Wow, parts of 18.0.0.0/8 up for grabs.  There’s a very simple and convincing 
argument to that complainers issues with giving IP space.  It’s IP v6.:)

Something tells me that MIT has dual stack running very very well.  Give the 
guy a /48 and tell him to pipe down. haha



> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> 
> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
>> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
>> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
>>> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
>>> "globally search a regular expression and print."
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
>>> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
>>> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
 years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
 associates to all users not just root.
 
 For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
 variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
 root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
 the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
 user)
 
 Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
 SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
 Read more here.
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
 
 Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
 Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Scott:
> 
> The feeling is mutual.
> 
> 
> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> other permissions on the system.
> 
> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
 password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
 
 Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
 user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
 due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
 modified when you use the sudo command. 
 Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
 user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
 for a while. 
 
 sudo is a bit more secure in that:
 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
 commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
 trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
 this work.

Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. So, 
in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public servers 
and then start chat sessions with them. 

On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT giving 
up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was complaining 
about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default getting a 
non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
>> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
>> "globally search a regular expression and print."
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
>> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
>> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
>>> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>>> associates to all users not just root.
>>> 
>>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
>>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
>>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
>>> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
>>> 
>>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
>>> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read 
>>> more here.
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>>> 
>>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
>>> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hey, Scott:
 
 The feeling is mutual.
 
 
 There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
 because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
 other permissions on the system.
 
 Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
 password, the super user can reset that user's password.
 
 Janina
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>>> 
>>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
>>> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
>>> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
>>> modified when you use the sudo command. 
>>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>>> for a while. 
>>> 
>>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
>>> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In 
 some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx and 
so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
 

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> 
> 
> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years 
>> I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>> associates to all users not just root.
>> 
>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
>> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
>> 
>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
>> can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read 
>> more here.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>> 
>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
>> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, Scott:
>>> 
>>> The feeling is mutual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>>> other permissions on the system.
>>> 
>>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
 not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
 Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
>> when you use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>> for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>> work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
 found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
 log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
 to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that 
 it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to 
 put in code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
>>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have stuck 
with it.  I will have to try your method.


> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> 
> PS: To become another user I generally do:
> 
> su -u [user] -i
> 
> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
>> "substitute user identity".
>> 
>> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
>> then the command:
>> sudo su somebody -
>> 
>> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
>> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
>> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
>> were accessed by somebody.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>>> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
>>> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
>>> a fair trade.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
 
 Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
 my sometimes slow noggin! 
 
 Janina
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
>>> automatically open.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
>> and go to File then Open.
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
>>> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a
>>> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
>>> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
>>> learn the Unix based operating systems.
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
>>> wrote:
 
 okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
>>> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
 
 Fun stuff,
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
>>> wrote:
> 
> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
>>> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
>>> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
>>> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
>>> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in
>>> code?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Actually this is a good hint at how to do advanced commands in VI.

g/outahere/d 

will globally find every line with outta here in it and delete that line.

Perhaps we need a gred command to delete all files with a word in them :-) 
 Actually makes me remember when I was only able to see two or three lines on 
my Sun computer I switched from using vi to using ex. There were a couple 
things that were difficult to do in ex blike joining two lines, but usually I 
found I was less likely to lose the cursor in 30 lines of text, and could 
usually get things done just as efficiently. I wonder, if we could take that 
idea and pair it withBraille routing keys to make an efficient editor for 
braille users. 

I expect this would be easier to create on a android based notetaker than on a 
Macintosh.
Any thoughts?
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> 
> 
> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years 
>> I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>> associates to all users not just root.
>> 
>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
>> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
>> 
>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
>> can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read 
>> more here.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>> 
>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
>> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, Scott:
>>> 
>>> The feeling is mutual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>>> other permissions on the system.
>>> 
>>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
 not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
 Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
>> when you use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>> for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>> work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent 

Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

Grep is a text search utility.  If one has a person's name for example in a
text file it can spot it, the result appears just above the command line.
So for example:

grep williams file

This would return any line with "williams in the file.

It is very powerful and can do much more then simple text searches.

For any command consult the man page.

man grep

will bring up a short manual for any command.  Hitting the q key will exit

Most commands also have an "-h" optionfor a short help.


On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
"globally search a regular expression and print."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep


Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.

Janina


Scott Granados writes:

No I get super user, I?ve heard root referred to as the super user for years I 
just didn?t think su was super user because it
associates to all users not just root.

For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects root 
probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)

Here?s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we?re all right.  SU 
can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read more 
here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)

Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping is 
my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)


On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey, Scott:

The feeling is mutual.


There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
other permissions on the system.

Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
password, the super user can reset that user's password.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:

And here I always thought it was switch user as that?s what it really does not 
necessarily switching to root although that?s the most common use.  Learn 
something new everytime you post, how about that!


On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."

Jonathan Cohn writes:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. These are 
commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on a 
UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you use 
the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. This 
allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can be 
executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying to 
execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some cases 
you may be asked for your log in password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in date, 
among other things, including shell .  I don?t know where to type or paste.  .  
Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, ?Terminal has no 
windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

It can be greatly improved by a few changes.  In vo utility make all 
cursors follow each other.  Interact with text at all times, this allows 
thee vo line and paragraph and speech from cursor etc. to work on the 
screen content.


One can then also move freely on the screen with the vo arrow keys and the
vo home and end keys to tthe top and bottom of the screen.  Vo right and
left arrow keys read a word at a time.  Likewise vo up and down arrows move
between lines.

So for example, vo home goes to the top and vo a reads the entire screen.

I have also done some apple scripts to force the reading of the terminal 
screen as wished in a particular situation.  So for example I have an apple 
script attached to a key commander that combines the moving to the top of 
the screen and start reading the entire screen with one command instead of 
two.


There are some other bits of how I force vo to act as I wish using shell
scripts and a couple of utilities.


On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
I don?t like the speech in Mac in terminal mode.
BUt i can ssh to my mac from another unix machine and use braille.
Brltty is quite hard to compile in my opinion.
At least for mac.
/A

29 juni 2017 kl. 15:52 skrev -dan d. :


I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.

The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.

If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
whe done back to terminal.

There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
environment.

I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that source 
and plays it.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:


  I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
password was when creating an installer.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
when you use the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
can be executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:

 Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
some cases you may be asked for your log in password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

In what context d & o? Are we talking about a directory listing, e.g.
ls -l


Simon Fogarty writes:
> Super user is a linux / unix boss like user, I never really understood what 
> the D & O are for!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 3:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
> 
> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
> something new everytime you post, how about that!
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
> >> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
> >> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
> >> when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
> >> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a 
> >> while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
> >> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
> >> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> >>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
> >>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
> >>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 
> >>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> 
> >>>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> >>>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> >>>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
> >>>> to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
> >>>> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
> >>>> code?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

My advice is to be careful. Yes, there's lots of power available in the
command line tools and, yes, Apple engineers use them.

The careful part is that VO is a pretty clunky screen reader for the
terminal, so you're not really gaining the accessibility edge that you
might reasonably expect from the command line.

But, even if you have a solid Linux system with Speakup or Brltty that
you can use to ssh into your Mac, you still need to be careful. Many
Unix commands are very standard and operate in pretty standard ways
across all flavors of Unix variants, but this is not true for devices.
How devices are addressed and managed will vary widely.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that, if you really know OS X device
management, and you have a strong console/terminal screen reader to work
with over ssh, then you'll find solid value in the terminal.

My personal experience does not yet go to disk formatting on the Mac. I
have, however, done some of the simple things like installing
applications that essentially require you to move a folder to
/Applications. I have also tweaked my VMware machine's dhcp settings to
assign static ip addresses over dhcp by editing the relevant VMware
files.


hth

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Yeah I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to think I need to use 
> terminal to carry out multiple partitioning on devices like Flash Drives and 
> external drives,
> 
> So I'm thinking the terminal command line version of disk utilities 
> Might be the best option to do what I need to do.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 3:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
> 
> And, I, on the other hand, do as much as I possibly can in a terminal on 
> whatever OS I find myself on.
> 
> So, there you go. Different strokes for different folks ... or whatever 
> aphorism you might prefer at this spot. Isn't diversity wonderful?
> 
> Janina
> 
> E.T. writes:
> >I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used 
> > my password was when creating an installer.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > > Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> > > password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> > > 
> > > Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> > > user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in 
> > > Sierra due to extra security added, any file in user space can be 
> > > viewed or modified when you use the sudo command.
> > > Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> > > user. This allows one to access the computer with another 
> > > permissions for a while.
> > > 
> > > sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> > > 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> > > commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> > > 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> > > trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> > > this work.
> > > 
> > > Take care,
> > > Jonathan Cohn
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > > <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. 
> > > > In some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > > > 
> > > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > > >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> > > > world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> > > > your mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > > > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > > <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> > > > 
> > > > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > > > >  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I 
> > > > > found my last l

RE: How to use terminal?

[Simon Fogarty]

Super user is a linux / unix boss like user, I never really understood what the 
D & O are for!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 3:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to use terminal?

And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does not 
necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
something new everytime you post, how about that!

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
>> These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on 
>> a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
>> security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you 
>> use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
>> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can 
>> be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
>> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>>>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>>>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
>>>> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
>>>> “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> 
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RE: How to use terminal?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to think I need to use 
terminal to carry out multiple partitioning on devices like Flash Drives and 
external drives,

So I'm thinking the terminal command line version of disk utilities 
Might be the best option to do what I need to do.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 3:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to use terminal?

And, I, on the other hand, do as much as I possibly can in a terminal on 
whatever OS I find myself on.

So, there you go. Different strokes for different folks ... or whatever 
aphorism you might prefer at this spot. Isn't diversity wonderful?

Janina

E.T. writes:
>I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used 
> my password was when creating an installer.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> > password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> > 
> > Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> > user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in 
> > Sierra due to extra security added, any file in user space can be 
> > viewed or modified when you use the sudo command.
> > Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> > user. This allows one to access the computer with another 
> > permissions for a while.
> > 
> > sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> > 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> > commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> > 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> > trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> > this work.
> > 
> > Take care,
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. 
> > > In some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > > 
> > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> > > world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> > > your mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> > > 
> > > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > > >  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I 
> > > > found my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  
> > > > I don’t know where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently 
> > > > closed the window so that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  
> > > > So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Whenever I can, I ssh to the terminal on my Apple. That includes using a
Linux VM on my Mac to terminal into the host system. It's round about,
but works much better than trying to use Voice Over in the Terminal,
imo.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> I don’t like the speech in Mac in terminal mode.
> BUt i can ssh to my mac from another unix machine and use braille.
> Brltty is quite hard to compile in my opinion.
> At least for mac.
> /A
> > 29 juni 2017 kl. 15:52 skrev -dan d. :
> > 
> > 
> > I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
> > programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
> > functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
> > search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.
> > 
> > The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
> > is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
> > desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.
> > 
> > If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
> > whe done back to terminal.
> > 
> > There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
> > environment.
> > 
> > I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
> > local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that 
> > source and plays it.
> > 
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:
> > 
> >>   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
> >> password was when creating an installer.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> >>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
> >>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >>> 
> >>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
> >>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
> >>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
> >>> when you use the sudo command.
> >>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
> >>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
> >>> for a while.
> >>> 
> >>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
> >>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
> >>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
> >>> work.
> >>> 
> >>> Take care,
> >>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.   > wrote:
>  
>   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>  some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>  
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>  E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>  
>  On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
> > last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
> > where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
> > that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
> > it to put in code?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
>  
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
"globally search a regular expression and print."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep


Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.

Janina


Scott Granados writes:
> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years 
> I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> associates to all users not just root.
> 
> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects root 
> probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
> 
> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
> can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read more 
> here.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Scott:
> > 
> > The feeling is mutual.
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> > because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> > other permissions on the system.
> > 
> > Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> > password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
> >> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
> >> Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>  Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>  password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>  
>  Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
>  on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
>  extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
>  when you use the sudo command. 
>  Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>  user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>  for a while. 
>  
>  sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>  1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
>  can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>  2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>  trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>  work.
>  
>  Take care,
>  Jonathan Cohn
>  
>  
>  
> > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> > 
> > Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> > cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> >> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> >> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
> >> to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that 
> >> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to 
> >> put in code?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)


PS: To become another user I generally do:

su -u [user] -i

This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
> "substitute user identity".
> 
> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
> then the command:
> sudo su somebody -
> 
> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
> were accessed by somebody.
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> > Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> > and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> > a fair trade.
> >
> > > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> > >
> > > Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> > > my sometimes slow noggin! 
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Scott Granados writes:
> > >> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> > automatically open.
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> > >>> and go to File then Open.
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott Granados writes:
> >  Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> > you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a
> > flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> > extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> > learn the Unix based operating systems.
> > 
> > > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> > know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> > >
> > > Fun stuff,
> > >
> > >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> > some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > >>
> > >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > >>
> > >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> > earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> > my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> > where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> > it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in
> > code?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Anytime and always! Done.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su and I 
> hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like a fair 
> trade.
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> > 
> > Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> > my sometimes slow noggin! 
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
> >> automatically open.
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> >>> and go to File then Open.
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you 
>  to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a 
>  flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an 
>  extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you 
>  learn the Unix based operating systems.
>  
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> > 
> > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone 
> > know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> > 
> > Fun stuff,
> > 
> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In 
> >> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  
> >>> I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my 
> >>> last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know 
> >>> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so 
> >>> that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use 
> >>> it to put in code?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t like the speech in Mac in terminal mode.
BUt i can ssh to my mac from another unix machine and use braille.
Brltty is quite hard to compile in my opinion.
At least for mac.
/A
> 29 juni 2017 kl. 15:52 skrev -dan d. :
> 
> 
> I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
> programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
> functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
> search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.
> 
> The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
> is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
> desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.
> 
> If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
> whe done back to terminal.
> 
> There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
> environment.
> 
> I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
> local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that 
> source and plays it.
> 
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
>> password was when creating an installer.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
>>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>>> 
>>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
>>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
>>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
>>> when you use the sudo command.
>>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
>>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
>>> for a while.
>>> 
>>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
>>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
>>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:
 
  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
 some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
> last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
> that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
> it to put in code?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
"substitute user identity".

So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
then the command:
sudo su somebody -

will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
were accessed by somebody.



On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:

> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> a fair trade.
>
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> >
> > Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> > my sometimes slow noggin! 
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> automatically open.
> >>
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> >>> and go to File then Open.
> >>>
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a
> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> wrote:
> >
> > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> >
> > Fun stuff,
> >
> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>
> >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in
> code?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su and I 
hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like a fair 
trade.

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> 
> Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> my sometimes slow noggin! 
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
>> automatically open.
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
>>> and go to File then Open.
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you 
 to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a 
 flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an 
 extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you 
 learn the Unix based operating systems.
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
> how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> 
> Fun stuff,
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
>>> to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
>>> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
>>> in code?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years I 
just didn’t think su was super user because it 
associates to all users not just root.

For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects root 
probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)

Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read more 
here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)

Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping is 
my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Scott:
> 
> The feeling is mutual.
> 
> 
> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> other permissions on the system.
> 
> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
>> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
>> Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
 password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
 
 Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
 on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
 extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
 when you use the sudo command. 
 Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
 This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a 
 while. 
 
 sudo is a bit more secure in that:
 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
 can be executed by whom whith what rights.
 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
 to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
 
 Take care,
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
>> to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
>> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
>> code?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 

Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
my sometimes slow noggin! 

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
> automatically open.
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> > and go to File then Open.
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you 
> >> to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a 
> >> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an 
> >> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you 
> >> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
> >>> how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> >>> 
> >>> Fun stuff,
> >>> 
>  On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>  
>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>  cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>  
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>  E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  
>  On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> > found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> > log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
> > to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
> > said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
> > in code?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Scott:

The feeling is mutual.


There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
other permissions on the system.

Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
password, the super user can reset that user's password.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
> something new everytime you post, how about that!
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
> >> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
> >> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
> >> when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
> >> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a 
> >> while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
> >> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
> >> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> >>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 
> >>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>  found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>  log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
>  to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
>  said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
>  code?
>  
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>  
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does not 
necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
something new everytime you post, how about that!

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
>> These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on 
>> a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
>> security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you 
>> use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
>> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can 
>> be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
>> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
 found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
 log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
 type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
 “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
automatically open.

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> and go to File then Open.
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you to 
>> a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a flavor 
>> of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an extremely 
>> powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you learn the 
>> Unix based operating systems.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
>>> how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
>>> 
>>> Fun stuff,
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
 cases you may be asked for your log in password.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
> code?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
and go to File then Open.

Scott Granados writes:
> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you to a 
> unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a flavor of 
> it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an extremely 
> powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you learn the Unix 
> based operating systems.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> > 
> > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
> > how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> > 
> > Fun stuff,
> > 
> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >> 
> >>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> >> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> >>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> >>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
> >>> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
> >>> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
> >>> code?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

And, I, on the other hand, do as much as I possibly can in a terminal on
whatever OS I find myself on.

So, there you go. Different strokes for different folks ... or whatever
aphorism you might prefer at this spot. Isn't diversity wonderful?

Janina

E.T. writes:
>I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
> password was when creating an installer.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
> > password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> > 
> > Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
> > on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
> > extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
> > when you use the sudo command.
> > Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
> > user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
> > for a while.
> > 
> > sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> > 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
> > can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> > 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
> > trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
> > work.
> > 
> > Take care,
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> > > some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > > 
> > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > >  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > >  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > >  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > 
> > > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > > >  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my
> > > > last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> > > > where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
> > > > that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use
> > > > it to put in code?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
> These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> 
> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on a 
> UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
> security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you use 
> the sudo command. 
> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 
> 
> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can 
> be executed by whom whith what rights.
> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying to 
> execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
> 
> Take care,
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> > 
> >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> > cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> >> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> >> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
> >> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
> >> “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.

The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.

If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
whe done back to terminal.

There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
environment.

I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that 
source and plays it.


On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:


   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
password was when creating an installer.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
when you use the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
can be executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:

  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
some cases you may be asked for your log in password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
 I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Creating an installer is a great use of sudo because it runs the program as 
root and needs root to access the various block devices.  It’s also why you 
need to be careful because root has access to all your files and block 
devices.;)

Even running sudo on most unix machines gives you a little speech about being a 
super user before executing the first time.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:59 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my 
> password was when creating an installer.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
>> when you use the sudo command.
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
>> for a while.
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
>> work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
 I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my
 last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
 where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
 that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use
 it to put in code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[E.T.]

   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my 
password was when creating an installer.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
when you use the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
can be executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:

  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
some cases you may be asked for your log in password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
 I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my
last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use
it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on a 
UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you use 
the sudo command. 
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. This 
allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can be 
executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying to 
execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
>> Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in 
>> date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to type or 
>> paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, “Terminal 
>> has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you to a 
unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a flavor of it 
that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an extremely powerful 
environment and also a well paying career path if you learn the Unix based 
operating systems.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know how 
> to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> 
> Fun stuff,
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
>>> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
>>> “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

The say command alone plus a word will be spoken using the voice one uses 
in vo.Using the -v with a voice name uses that voice.


If more then one word enclose them in quoatation marks.

Using -f plus the name of a text file will speak the contents of the file. 
The -v plus voice works if desired here too.


There are afew other options also, including voice rate and creating an
audio file of the spoken text.



okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know how to 
make it say just anything you want to print command?

Fun stuff,


On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some cases 
you may be asked for your log in password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in date, 
among other things, including shell .  I don?t know where to type or paste.  .  
Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, ?Terminal has no 
windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: How to use terminal?

[Sharon Hooley]

okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know how to 
make it say just anything you want to print command?

Fun stuff,

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
>> Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in 
>> date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to type or 
>> paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, “Terminal 
>> has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[E.T.]

   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In 
some cases you may be asked for your log in password.


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On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in date, 
among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to type or paste.  .  
Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, “Terminal has no 
windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: How to use terminal?

[Jeff Berwick]

When you open it, you are in the window.  Just interact and then paste the code.

When you are done, type “exit” and then you can close with command q.

Hth,
Jeff

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
> Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in date, 
> among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to type or paste.  
> .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, “Terminal has no 
> windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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