Re: basic finder question

[dan d.]

Yes, the standard vo + key commands work fine.  For example, vo + a from 
current position to end of screen.  Interact with text when in
terminal works best.  There are screen readers meant for terminal such as 
speakup; and a google will find them.  Here are two I know nothing
about but work in terminal:

https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

https://www.applevis.com/blog/announcing-tdsr-command-line-screen-reader-macintosh-gnulinux
On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> And voiceover works flawlessly in terminal?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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> > The other option is to run Terminal and use the mv command at the shell
> > prompt.
> >
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Re: Using the terminal (was Re: basic finder question)

[Karen Lewellen]

Honestly, I cannot imagine why I would want to do that, I have, and intend 
to  keep my shell service account.
It seems like an interesting tool, tab completion, but for me personally 
I am a better housekeeper than to need the computer to tell me what files 
are  there.

Thanks for the explanation though.
Kare



On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Hello,
The tab completions in the terminal are controlled by the shell being used. I 
believe Catalina is using an older bash, and that new accounts created with Big 
Sir and newer use zsh because of some licensing issues with the bash shell.
Zsh can get quite complicated in configuring completions, but of course it will never 
match TOPS-20 command line where the "shell" (in quotes) communicated with 
command line applications and knew every switch and had a short description of every 
switch.
But I have digressed, pressing tab with either zsh or bash using default Mac 
settings will complete to aa command in the path for arg0 and will complete to 
a filename in additional arguments. If there are multiple matches, I can't 
remember if it just completes to where the multiple versions diverge and then 
beeps repeatedly as additional tabs are pressed, or if additional tabs will 
rotate through the various services. Certainly you should be able to grab your 
linux shell configurations and use them on the Mac with little changes, like 
library paths and paths.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 26, 2022, at 20:35, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:




On 26 Jun, 2022, at 20:03, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Perhaps I should ask this differently.
Can one move from the apple desktop into terminal using voiceover and work 
equally as well?
could I work in programs in the terminal using voiceover, just as I can use it  
with programs in the main desktop?

Yes, the terminal is treated as just another application so far as VoiceOver is 
concerned.

I am not even sure what tab completion means in general, I do not personally 
use the tab key much outside of word processing.

It???s a feature of the shell that completes partially typed commands and file 
names. For example, if you had a directory named ???documents??? and you typed 
???do???, then pressed the tab key, it would complete the rest of the name - 
assuming that there are no other names beginning with ???do???. Typically, 
pressing the tab key twice gives you a list of names that match.

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Re: Using the terminal (was Re: basic finder question)

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
The tab completions in the terminal are controlled by the shell being used. I 
believe Catalina is using an older bash, and that new accounts created with Big 
Sir and newer use zsh because of some licensing issues with the bash shell. 
Zsh can get quite complicated in configuring completions, but of course it will 
never match TOPS-20 command line where the "shell" (in quotes) communicated 
with command line applications and knew every switch and had a short 
description of every switch.
But I have digressed, pressing tab with either zsh or bash using default Mac 
settings will complete to aa command in the path for arg0 and will complete to 
a filename in additional arguments. If there are multiple matches, I can't 
remember if it just completes to where the multiple versions diverge and then 
beeps repeatedly as additional tabs are pressed, or if additional tabs will 
rotate through the various services. Certainly you should be able to grab your 
linux shell configurations and use them on the Mac with little changes, like 
library paths and paths.
Jonathan 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 26, 2022, at 20:35, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jun, 2022, at 20:03, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps I should ask this differently.
>> Can one move from the apple desktop into terminal using voiceover and work 
>> equally as well?
>> could I work in programs in the terminal using voiceover, just as I can use 
>> it  with programs in the main desktop?
> Yes, the terminal is treated as just another application so far as VoiceOver 
> is concerned.
>> I am not even sure what tab completion means in general, I do not personally 
>> use the tab key much outside of word processing.
> It’s a feature of the shell that completes partially typed commands and file 
> names. For example, if you had a directory named “documents” and you typed 
> “do”, then pressed the tab key, it would complete the rest of the name - 
> assuming that there are no other names beginning with “do”. Typically, 
> pressing the tab key twice gives you a list of names that match.
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Using the terminal (was Re: basic finder question)

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

> On 26 Jun, 2022, at 20:03, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I should ask this differently.
> Can one move from the apple desktop into terminal using voiceover and work 
> equally as well?
> could I work in programs in the terminal using voiceover, just as I can use 
> it  with programs in the main desktop?
Yes, the terminal is treated as just another application so far as VoiceOver is 
concerned.
> I am not even sure what tab completion means in general, I do not personally 
> use the tab key much outside of word processing.
It’s a feature of the shell that completes partially typed commands and file 
names. For example, if you had a directory named “documents” and you typed 
“do”, then pressed the tab key, it would complete the rest of the name - 
assuming that there are no other names beginning with “do”. Typically, pressing 
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Re: basic finder question

[Karen Lewellen]

Perhaps I should ask this differently.
Can one move from the apple desktop into terminal using voiceover and work 
equally as well?
could I work in programs in the terminal using voiceover, just as I can 
use it  with programs in the main desktop?
I am not even sure what tab completion means in general, I do not 
personally use the tab key much outside of word processing.




On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:





On 26 Jun, 2022, at 19:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

And voiceover works flawlessly in terminal?

Well enough, at least, to manipulate files and directories efficiently, and to 
use tab completion.

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Re: basic finder question

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> On 26 Jun, 2022, at 19:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> And voiceover works flawlessly in terminal?
Well enough, at least, to manipulate files and directories efficiently, and to 
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Re: basic finder question

[Karen Lewellen]

And voiceover works flawlessly in terminal?



On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The other option is to run Terminal and use the mv command at the shell 
prompt.


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 All best,
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Re: basic finder question

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

The other option is to run Terminal and use the mv command at the shell 
prompt.


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All best,
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Re: basic finder question

[Jeff Berwick]

When you are in the Finder and the folder you want, you can copy the file with 
[command] + [c].

Then, move to the folder you want to put the file in and issue the following 
command:

[command] + [option] + [v]

This moves the file from he first location to the second.

Hth,
Jeff


> On Jun 26, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Actually, I open up terminal and then cd to the folder I want. In there, I 
> issue the command: mv file1 /path/to/folder/ and hit the enter key. It’s easy 
> peasy.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Leland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
>> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never 
>> dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my 
>> work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working 
>> compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also 
>> finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable 
>> and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>> 
>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
>> follows: 
>> 
>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
>> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
>> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
>> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
>> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
>> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
>> file in the finder?
>> 
>> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
>> Andrew Leland
>> alel...@gmail.com 
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Re: basic finder question

[Eric Oyen]

Actually, I open up terminal and then cd to the folder I want. In there, I 
issue the command: mv file1 /path/to/folder/ and hit the enter key. It’s easy 
peasy.

-Eric


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
> 
> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
> Andrew Leland
> alel...@gmail.com
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Re: basic finder question

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Dear Jürgen,
Thank you so much for this quick and extremely helpful reply!
All best,
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Re: basic finder question

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Andrew,

I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look 
on applevis.com . Very rich.

Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.

Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. 
Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very 
disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
> 
> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
> Andrew Leland
> alel...@gmail.com
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Re: basic finder question

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
When you go to do the paste command use option plus command plus V instead of 
just command plus V. This will move the file rather than just copying it.

Greg Wocher


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
> 
> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
> Andrew Leland
> alel...@gmail.com
> 
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