Re: Waiting Pending maintainer request for Python-SymPy

2011-09-20 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 03:46:20 Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote: SymPy 0.7.1 for Maemo now has an icon (pointing to /usr/bin/sympy) to promote the use of SymPy by the end users, with interactive terminal with iPython or Python. So I think that SymPy for Maemo should belong to the

Re: Adaptation of Extras QA hurdles

2011-07-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 22 July 2011 16:00:31 Roman Morawek wrote: I propose to change the QA process to accelerate extras promoting. A package should be promoted after either: - 1 tester vote - 4 votes in total - 2 months of staying in testing without negative vote I support this for updates to existing

RE: Packaging - dpkg-shlibdeps problem

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 14:47:05 Felipe Crochik wrote: Maybe I got it the lib idea wrong: libircclient-qt and libircclient-qt-dev share the exact same code the only difference is on the Makefile (and control). The dev package installs everything (headers, lib, mkspecs) and the release

Re: libesd -- sound in Fremantle

2010-10-06 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 06 October 2010 16:31:00 Eero Tamminen wrote: ext Graham Cobb wrote: OK. I have sent a cut-down esound package to the autobuilder and libesd0 and libesd0-dev are now in Fremantle extras-devel. Of course, I have no way of knowing whether it works without a device -- someone

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-23 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 23 September 2010 09:10:08 Polyvertex wrote: Also, this does not mean it has to become anarchy and application/virus/bug bombing just because there are 2 repositories instead of 3. If that is your main concern, I think it is easily addressed. There are 3 repositories instead of 2

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 22 September 2010 21:51:29 Attila Csipa wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: community and let people vote for/against an application *after* it has been released. Thus, only 2 repositories should be enough : 'extras' and

Re: diablo/chinook gtk libs in autobuilder broken?

2010-08-20 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 20 August 2010 07:08:46 Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: ok, Faheem doesn't want to support that lib anymore. Would you therefore please remove libgio and all packages depending on it from chinook and diablo repositories. Currently libgio/libsoup24 is in an unusable state, so we don't

RE: How to to manually package Qt Mobility?

2010-07-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 19:24:03 Felipe Crochik wrote: I have compiled the “contacts” module and it is quite simple using scratchbox. I distribute with my application a “custom” contacts backend (I don’t distribute the contacts module just the backend) I don't know the licence on the code

Re: Related to Contacts : Decoding .VCF File

2010-07-05 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 05 July 2010 13:53:22 Jörgen Scheibengruber wrote: In the Maemo5 version of eds e_contact_new_from_vcard() internally uses a heuristic (the same as gecko uses) to figure out the charset (if the passed string is not utf-8). If you know the charset, then of course it's best to

Re: Related to Contacts : Decoding .VCF File

2010-07-02 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 02 July 2010 10:20:24 Jörgen Scheibengruber wrote: Which is exactly what e_contact_new_from_vcard, does. How does e_contact_new_from_vcard get told what charset the string is in? Or does it require it to be in UTF-8? It's as easy as: char *contents; if (g_file_get_contents

Re: libosso-abook-1.0 and librtcom-eventlogger

2010-06-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 22 June 2010 06:20:26 saurabh aggarwal wrote: So, are we supposed to produce multiple binaries for every version of Maemo platform? That doesn't sound right. The answer is: it depends. In general in Linux, an application developed on one version will often work on later versions

Re: hildon-application-manager doesn't work reliable with large dependency stack

2010-06-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 June 2010 09:45:12 Bjoern Ricks wrote: hildon-application-manager complains about conflicts with already installed packages which should be updated too. Also this behaviour isn't reliable and reproducable. On some devices it may work. It is ALWAYS possible to install all new

Re: upstart and dbus

2010-05-13 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 13 May 2010 11:40:24 b0unc3 wrote: I found that if I use : start on started hildon-desktop as starting condition, I don't need to put the pre-start script You are probably right. If hildon-desktop has started, users could be running apps so everything must be set up correctly!

Re: upstart and dbus

2010-05-12 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 21:50:31 Ram Kurvakat wrote: I cant provide a full solution now but to use the session bus you will need the session bus address I think which changes every restart. Are you doing that in your upstart script already ? ( setting the dbus session address something like

Re: upstart and dbus

2010-05-12 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 23:07:47 Faheem Pervez wrote: If you do use run-standalone.sh in an Upstart script, please be aware of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8148. Lucas Maneos' awesomeness helped me to fix my issue. Interesting. For others (who don't want to read through 37 comments

Re: Community updates for diablo

2010-05-04 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 04 May 2010 17:04:07 Lucas Maneos wrote: Thanks to Niels who spent this afternoon working on this, we now have maemo.org signed repositories! Without further ado, they are: deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ diablo free non-free deb

Packaging guidelines

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Cobb
Daniel Wilms has proposed some new Maemo packaging rules at http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines. I have a number of comments: 0) I have a meta-comment: to facilitate discussion, the sections of the document should be numbered. 1) These feel like rules, not guidelines, and some of

Re: Squeeze devkit to be installed to autobuilder

2010-04-27 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 27 April 2010 10:08:56 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia środa, 14 kwietnia 2010 o 20:52:19 Javier S. Pedro napisał(a): Hello all, As part of the plan to fix the PR1.2 SDK dependency issues in the autobuilder [1], we plan to upgrade the Debian devkit in the Fremantle autobuilder

Re: Squeeze devkit to be installed to autobuilder

2010-04-15 Thread Graham Cobb
However, will we have issues with version numbers? If we auto resubmit them, should we ensure that each package is resubmitted with a new version number? If so, a suffix of -20100415 would be sufficient? Although I am generally against modifying developer's packages, I agree that this is the

Re: Bora/OS2007 extras is dead? Re: ssh uploading to gregale/bora/chinook extras broken?

2010-04-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 08 April 2010 10:36:17 Niels Breet wrote: Bora was not actively killed, just forgotten to setup last December. Since then nobody complained about it. Download numbers don't come above noise levels, but if you think we should keep it for a while then no problem. I guess the test is

Re: Bora/OS2007 extras is dead? Re: ssh uploading to gregale/bora/chinook extras broken?

2010-04-07 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 15:39:29 Frantisek Dufka wrote: Niels Breet wrote: Bora has been dead for a while now, chinook is also EOL. Bora is dead? Oh really? So why there is http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/ with old version I cannot update? When and why was this discussed/decided? It

Re: PR1.2 SDK for Extras-devel: how to solve?

2010-04-07 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 16:54:28 Niels Breet wrote: On Wed, April 7, 2010 16:41, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 15:13, Bryan Jacobs n...@landwarsin.asia wrote: It seems to me that the real problem is actually the difficulty in implementing #4 above.  If there were magically

Re: Builder now runs PR1.2 SDK with Qt 4.6 support

2010-03-30 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 30 March 2010 15:28:04 Andrew Flegg wrote: * This means that auto-generated libhildon dependencies are being specified too tightly to install on devices and SDKs lower than PR1.2 (due to the introduction of new symbols for livesearch[4]) This is the killer. When

Re: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25

2010-03-26 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 26 March 2010 11:53:43 Attila Csipa wrote: All security comments are insane in my opinion. If some person really wants to be evil, there is nothing in our process that would block that except by accident. I would rather say that it's more of a formulation issue. It would be more

Re: problem with dbus-scripts and Phone.SMS

2010-03-24 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 24 March 2010 11:22:34 Matan Ziv-Av wrote: I did not add arrays because I did not see the need for it, but since you need it, there is no problem to add this. What format do you think might be useful for passing an array of bytes as a parameter to a script? I tend to favour

Re: Ask for removal of some packages from Extras Fremantle repository

2010-03-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 22 March 2010 11:20:53 Benoît HERVIER wrote: Because it ll be not be maintained anymore, and new versions will be publish only on my own repository. But as HAM, ignore packet as my repository isn't in the ham trusted list, there is here a conflict. You are well aware of my views so I

Re: Ask for removal of some packages from Extras Fremantle repository

2010-03-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 22 March 2010 14:30:00 Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Graham Cobb wrote: I just don't see how using your own repository is actually any **better** than just using extras-devel? There are a few problems with extras-devel: - There are way too many warnings all over

Re: Ask for removal of some packages from Extras Fremantle repository

2010-03-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 22 March 2010 20:41:33 Darren Long wrote: Doesn't the GPL say so? I believe that if the source isn't provided with the binaries, then it has to be available for 3 years, from those who distributed the binaries, which in this case is maemo.org. Of course, if Benoit personally owns

Re: G_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS in packages an maybe on builders

2010-03-19 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 19 March 2010 14:42:05 Stefan Kost wrote: I noticed that still lots of packages that use GObject are not disable GObject cast checks in their builds. *It is a safe thing to do*. The macro is doing a cast, if checking is enabled it checks and warn in the case of an mismatch. The check

Re: Extras-testing improvements

2010-03-09 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 11:12:36 Attila Csipa wrote: There is nothing preventing (well, apart from autobuilder issues) people putting things into Extras-devel. It *is* a valid place for software No it isn't. It is a pool of packages to allow cross-developer testing. It is where you put the

Re: Extras-testing improvements

2010-03-09 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 09:42:05 Niels Breet wrote: You have to see that Extras should be for applications that are of a high quality. Absolutely not. I completely disagree. Extras is the home for the wonderful creativity of the Maemo community. It is for all apps: the good, the bad,

Re: External Repository and HAM

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 13:09:52 Benoît HERVIER wrote: 2010/3/8 Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com: I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in QA Testing. Thomas, I was not aware that there was a problem with

Re: External Repository and HAM

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 15:21:13 Benoît HERVIER wrote: - There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to depends on phase of the moon. Of course there have been changes in the early days as everyone learns from experience. That is part of the fun as well as the challenge of

Re: External Repository and HAM

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 16:34:21 Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 08 March 2010 16:21:13 Benoît HERVIER wrote: - It s look like some users are here just to put thumb down just to gain some karma. To elaborate on this a bit... The mass-downthumbing people might see is just a temporary (?)

Re: External Repository and HAM

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 17:32:27 Tim Teulings wrote: Hallo! And the most important things which guide my decision, is that currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't help. If the votes

RE: External Repository and HAM

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 19:18:29 Aldon Hynes wrote: Personally, I like the idea of people setting up their own external repositories. I've written about this in my blog post I've read the post and it sounds great, except that that is not how repositories work, unfortunately. What you want is

Re: Screenshots to user installable GUI packages in extras-testing [was Re: External Repository and HAM]

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 19:17:38 Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 08 March 2010 18:43:02 Graham Cobb wrote: I strongly disagree. The Extras-Testing process should be about safety: someone browsing extras should be comfortable that if they look at an app they can get a reasonable description

RE: External Repository and HAM

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 21:34:26 Aldon Hynes wrote: I appreciate your concern about shared resources, but it seems to me that you are overstating the problem. As an example, I quickly checked the repository lines in sources.list on several different Ubuntu boxes I support. Nope. The

Re: Extras-testing improvements

2010-03-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 08 March 2010 23:04:36 Attila Csipa wrote: I invite everyone who has not alredy done so to take a good look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist/QA_Improvements Scary. I believe we ALL want better quality software, developers, testers, users, everybody.

Re: auto-start openvpn and udhcpc

2010-03-07 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 03:25:48 Jason wrote: I'm attempting to get openvpn on my N900 connecting to my existing openvpn server. The openvpn part works well. The automation part is trickier :-) You might want to take a look at what I did in the tinc package (see

Re: SQLite

2010-02-26 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 26 February 2010 07:00:09 Fred Lefevere-Laoide wrote: Sqlite is available in the extras repository as a lib (gpe and others depnd on it) The libs are available for both sqlite2 (although the library is called libsqlite0) and sqlite3 (the library package is called libsqlite3-0). In

Re: Garage project takeover

2010-02-24 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 08:12:05 Niels Breet wrote: I'd like to get an OK from the council so we all agree on this. If there had been data in the project it was a more difficult decision, but now it seems completely empty. I agree that this is probably the correct thing to do. However,

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2 and Extras

2010-02-24 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 11:21:45 Niels Breet wrote: - Maemo 5 PR1.2 will ship with Extras enabled by default but will use distribution: fremantle-1.2 - 'older' devices will continue to fetch from distribution: fremantle - Autobuilder will be updated when PR1.2 is released and promotion

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2 and Extras

2010-02-24 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 15:42:16 Michael Cronenworth wrote: Graham Cobb wrote: I can't say I like this. My personal view is that there will be a lot of people running earlier software for quite a long time. How long do Nokia believe it will be before 80% of new devices being sold

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2 and Extras

2010-02-24 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 16:26:44 Ville M. Vainio wrote: Barring regressions, we can probably expect everybody to upgrade to 1.2 in timely manner. I disagree, but I may be completely wrong. It will be very interesting to see. What do you consider timely? 3 months? My prediction: in 3

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2 and Extras

2010-02-24 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 17:23:19 Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net wrote: I'm not expecting you to agree but you asked why.  You are free to choose that you will not support users running on anything other than the latest OS. Just

Re: Maemo 5 PR1.2 and Extras

2010-02-24 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 17:18:29 Thomas Tanner wrote: On 24.02.10 18:04, Graham Cobb wrote: Why do I think many people will not upgrade? This device is a phone. The N900 is a mobile computer. I am talking about the people who perceive it to be a phone. Like the iPhone. Maintaining

Re: How to override load_desktop_file in hildon home plugins?

2010-02-10 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 06:15:02 Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: This way, my proxy_home_plugin_item_load_desktop_file() function gets called. But indeed it appears this is not working fine for unloading loading.

Application gtkrc files

2010-02-10 Thread Graham Cobb
In older versions of GPE, the GPE Summary desktop widget used gtk_widget_set_name to set the main widget name to osso-speeddial. This allowed the widget to pick up the same theme styles as osso-speeddial (whatever that may be). I assumed that was a mistake and changed the set_name to specify

Re: Packaging questions

2010-02-09 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 14:29:14 Bernd Stramm wrote: On 09/02/10 08:29, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Ajai Khattri wrote: OK, but Im curious: what would be an example of a package with multiple binaries? binutils, for example? gcc has a few (c89 c99 versions, for example) textutils

Re: Is mauku open source, i.e free or is in non-free?

2010-01-26 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 26 January 2010 19:30:25 Carsten Munk wrote: Maybe a worthwhile discussion for Council to get into as well, this particular license does say you are not allowed to redistribute the Mauku source code from maemo.org (or anywhere). As a member of the Council I would say that we need to

Re: Is mauku open source, i.e free or is in non-free?

2010-01-26 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 26 January 2010 21:07:57 Henrik Hedberg wrote: Mauku 2.0 is not free as open source software (Mauku 0.x was under GPL). It is mainly based on Microfeed library written by me and licensed under LGPL, but the application itself is not licensed under any OSI compliant license.

Re: Changing chinook support to archive mode

2010-01-25 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 25 January 2010 20:52:36 Niels Breet wrote: I think it is time to make the chinook repository read-only and close down the builder instance for it. I still support GPE on chinook and I build new releases for both chinook and diablo (as well as mistral and bora). It has been over a

Re: Changing chinook support to archive mode

2010-01-25 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 25 January 2010 21:02:45 Alberto Garcia wrote: I actually don't know why this wasn't done earlier. Aren't chinook and diablo 100% binary compatible? No. Applications built for chinook will (generally) run on diablo but not the other way around (the issue is library version numbers

Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads

2010-01-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 22 January 2010 14:04:59 Andrea Grandi wrote: my suggestion at this point is: someone write a working piece of code (C, C++, Python) that developers can reuse to integrate a Donate button in their About dialogs. The user will be able to customize it with his PayPal account, the

Re: Aw: Autobuilder = ww.maemo.org

2010-01-21 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 21 January 2010 10:12:46 Tim Teulings wrote: If you subscribe to the extras-cauldron-builds list, you could see that there was a package severely stuck. I would see this as a short time workaround, but would propose a live and short time history state overview solutions as mid-

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

2010-01-20 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 10:34:53 Igor Stoppa wrote: Hi, ext Graham Cobb wrote: We have to live with that and try to come up with a solution that is best for the users. In my view, that means having as many apps as possible available to people who are still running the initial

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

2010-01-20 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 16:32:23 Jeff Moe wrote: For what it's worth, in the Fedora buildsystem (Koji), the buildsystem is running with the latest updates. Perhaps investigating what the various other distros do (especially Debian) and doing what they do would be a good approach (if they

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

2010-01-20 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 21:50:02 Jeremiah Foster wrote: I disagree. Debian has very high quality packages and software. I don't think we are disagreeing. I am saying Debian is geared to stability and quality. I am just making the point that it achieves that by forcing things to take a

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

2010-01-19 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 08:17:25 David Greaves wrote: Graham Cobb wrote: I do think there may be an option 1.5: create multiple autobuilder queues which feed the same repository but build against different SDK releases. ... I like - but as someone mentioned to me in a similar situation

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

2010-01-19 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 18 January 2010 22:50:51 Michael Cronenworth wrote: Graham Cobb on 01/18/2010 04:42 PM wrote: I do think there may be an option 1.5: Turning Linux into Windows shouldn't be a project goal of Maemo. I don't understand your comment, Michael, but note that the reason we have

Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1

2010-01-19 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 15:08:59 Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like sharing-dialog-dev Is this a new package in the latest SDK? Or a new version of an existing package? If it is a new package we could experiment with putting a version in

Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1

2010-01-19 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 16:02:47 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Hack, hack, hack... Then someone will write app which will require libosso from 51-1 and we will hack to make it possible for users with older firmware to install it etc etc etc? So far Maemo apps often behave like not being tested

Re: SDK rootstraps updated

2010-01-18 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 18 January 2010 14:08:07 Jeff Moe wrote: Take note, since the service restoration, the Maemo 5 SDK rootstraps have been (silently?) updated with no changes to timestamps: Thanks Jeff for noticing this. Niels or Ed, do you have any idea what has happened here? As a developer, it is

Re: SDK rootstraps updated

2010-01-18 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 18 January 2010 15:23:09 Niels Breet wrote: The autobuilder has not been updated yet, this is on my todo list still. Niels, The autobuilder environment must not change -- it needs to remain as the original Fremantle release SDK. Otherwise packages built using the autobuilder will

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

2010-01-18 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 18 January 2010 21:08:33 Niels Breet wrote: I've been discussing this issue with some people before as hypothetical case, but now it seems that we run into it: Compiling an application against the PR1.1 SDK creates packages which can not be installed on earlier firmware releases.

Re: Debugging applet causing hildon-home crash

2010-01-10 Thread Graham Cobb
On Saturday 09 January 2010 14:06:42 Jan Arne Petersen wrote: Hi, On 01/09/2010 02:52 PM, Graham Cobb wrote: As there is no way (that I am aware of) for GTypes to be unregistered, or to be reregistered, is there some way for me to stop hildon-home actually unmapping my code? At least

Re: Debugging applet causing hildon-home crash

2010-01-10 Thread Graham Cobb
On Sunday 10 January 2010 19:50:20 Graham Cobb wrote: Now to try to work out why my widget cannot receive any click events but other widgets can! Well, it turns out it is because the buttons I want to click on in my home page applet are within a GtkScrolledWindow. I can receive the clicks

Re: Debugging applet causing hildon-home crash

2010-01-09 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 07 January 2010 15:48:34 Anderson Lizardo wrote: 2010/1/7 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: We had several of this kind of crashes that happen when you remove and add it back. Usually the problem was in the Glib types that the applet uses: if it tries to register new

Re: Debugging applet causing hildon-home crash

2010-01-09 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 07 January 2010 15:48:34 Anderson Lizardo wrote: 2010/1/7 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 22:46 +0100, ext Graham Cobb wrote: In Fremantle, the GPE Summary applet causes hildon-home to crash if it is removed and then re-added.  I have not been

Re: Unified map tile storage

2010-01-09 Thread Graham Cobb
On Saturday 09 January 2010 11:47:24 Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: can i force it to optify the remaining stuff, anyway? I consider optification to be so ugly that i rather have the script doing something nasty than spending even more time with it myself. No. It is a good suggestion for a

Re: Command line applications and Extras

2010-01-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 08 January 2010 16:27:07 Valerio Valerio wrote: Hi, on a related note, some people are also suggesting a category for plugins[1] and stuff that is invisible to the users until they activate them(we've already a lot of them in the repos), I think I read about some plans to add this

Re: Command line applications and Extras

2010-01-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 08 January 2010 17:24:22 Valerio Valerio wrote: N!!! Well the community made a decision, it was discussed during a long period of time here and in TMO, don't you think we should respect the community decision ? I don't think the community made a decision. I think the

Debugging applet causing hildon-home crash

2010-01-06 Thread Graham Cobb
In Fremantle, the GPE Summary applet causes hildon-home to crash if it is removed and then re-added. I have not been able to work out what the problem is. Any hints on how best to debug this hildon-home crash? Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing

Automatic optification (was: Re: Proposal: Karma-Whores protection mailing list)

2010-01-04 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 04 January 2010 12:11:46 Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: I'll definitely find a time to do whatever is needed. Moreover, I was asking couple of times already if it's time to enable optification by default in autobuilder. I was given an answer that

Re: Maemo CLI application icon (take 1)...

2009-12-14 Thread Graham Cobb
Can we please keep this discussion on one list (I got 4 copies of Andrew's last reply for some reason!)? I suggest -developers for the discussion of the icon/emblem as that is where most of the people who are affected live. Once that is complete -community is the right place to discuss the

Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started

2009-12-09 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 08:30:49 Riku Voipio wrote: It is not really necessary/recommended to use it anymore. One can just copy the startup script into /etc/X11/Xession.post like one would do to any file in /etc. Same is true to dh_installupstart. OK -- that makes sense. So, is there

Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started

2009-12-08 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 17:23:15 Claudio Saavedra wrote: I noticed that the postinst script was missing the debhelper token used by dh_installxsession to plug its magic. Now the Xsession script should be installed properly. What is dh_installxsession? I can't find any documentation on it.

Re: Maemo SDK 2.2 Tutorial

2009-12-06 Thread Graham Cobb
On Sunday 06 December 2009 12:46:22 sebastian maemo wrote: I'd like to know the author of this tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2_2_Tutorial/#se ttingup Because I've got some questions about the Setting Up process, which are really difficult to answer by

Re: HeFullscreenButton now in hildon-extras

2009-11-26 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 26 November 2009 09:40:29 Cornelius Hald wrote: Luca Donaggio wrote: Approximately when will hildon-extras be ready for (at least) extras-devel? Honestly I have no idea :) It builds and it works. It´s just a matter of making the release. The question is which widgets we would

Re: individuals being able to join Ovi store

2009-11-21 Thread Graham Cobb
there if it matters to you. Graham Cobb maemo.org Community Council ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers

Re: How to get n900 IMEI code in C

2009-11-15 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:57:58PM +0200, Adri?n Yanes wrote: I can't understand why Nokia didn't release the dbus-signals in the API documentation. Probably their are one of the most important parts for the developers. Any idea about the present/future of this documentation ? I have

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-11 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 04:29:55PM +0200, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com writes: The following is a rant about XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description with some suggestions for improvement... Yeah, as soon as I 'invented' it, I could see how it is not going to work very

Re: Quality Assurance and Extras-testing discussion on IRC

2009-11-05 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 05:36:26PM +, Andrew Flegg wrote: I won't be able to make this as I will be onsite at a client, however my views can be summarised as: * QA is good. * The criteria are a good start, but need tweaks (see thread) * The packages UI needs some streamlining

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Graham Cobb
Attila said... On Wednesday 04 November 2009 10:28:58 Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 09:03,  tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Two days later I notice a blinking orange light in my status bar. I see a new version of the application. I install, I check what has changed (minor or

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Graham Cobb
not test that. -- Sent from Nokia Nseries mobile computer - Original message - On Nov 4, 2009, at 13:04, Attila Csipa wrote: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 23:40:24 Graham Cobb wrote: debugging, I need to be able to control exactly which versions of  various libraries are being used

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-03 Thread Graham Cobb
Dammit, why won't modest do proper quoting... Marius (I think) wrote... ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes: On Monday 02 November 2009 12:16:57 Ed Bartosh wrote: 2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: The buildbot would need to run apt-get install maemo-optify

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-02 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 02 November 2009 12:16:57 Ed Bartosh wrote: 2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: The buildbot would need to run apt-get install maemo-optify at the right time.  Any idea of how to do that? Right way to do it is to include it into SDK rootstrap. Other ways I can

Re: Why should it be so hard and should I even bother with Extras for fremantle?

2009-11-02 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 02 November 2009 11:28:04 Eero Tamminen wrote: I don't understand why CLI tools need any specific section. That just makes porting (re-compiling) them from Debian more hassle. The value of being able to install them from AM GUI in addition to using apt-get install on command line

Re: Autobuilder repository priority ?

2009-11-02 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 02 November 2009 21:52:48 Jeremiah Foster wrote: On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:27, Ed Bartosh wrote: 2009/11/2 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com: On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:05, Ed Bartosh wrote: Idea of having separate queue for Extras updates sounds more promising to me.

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-01 Thread Graham Cobb
On Sunday 01 November 2009 09:02:34 Ed Bartosh wrote: So, what should we do? My proposal is to make dpkg-buildpackage to call maemo-optify. With this we can solve 2 problems - autobuilder will optify packages and developers will have their packages automatically optified for their local

Re: Why should it be so hard and should I even bother with Extras for fremantle?

2009-11-01 Thread Graham Cobb
On Sunday 01 November 2009 10:22:00 Andrew Flegg wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 09:30, Martin Grimme martin.gri...@gmail.com wrote: it really looks wrong IMHO if stuff like socat, rootsh, or openssh turn up in the extras repository ready for end-users to be installed. extras should only

Re: Autobuilder repository priority ?

2009-10-31 Thread Graham Cobb
On Saturday 31 October 2009 11:45:54 Attila Csipa wrote: The problem is IMHO that the repository priorities seem to be wrong. The autobuilder should be using the highest version in the TOP PRIORITY repository that satisfies a dependency to avoid breakage because of unstable stuff in -devel and

Re: How to check SDK version?

2009-10-30 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 30 October 2009 08:11:37 Reshma Prasanna wrote: Hi, I'm new to Maemo but I'm using a PC that already has a Maemo SDK installation (done by someone else). Please tell me how to find out which version of the SDK is installed? i.e. Is the SDK version 5.0 alpha, 5.0 beta or 5.0 stable

Re: The issue of version strings / improving Application manager view

2009-10-30 Thread Graham Cobb
On Friday 30 October 2009 11:44:17 Juha Kallioinen wrote: And a perfectly good one too! :) It's useful not to change the upstream package version too much so that it's easier to see that a package could use updating. I agree with all Juha's points (but I would, wouldn't I!). Maybe we need

Re: How to check SDK version?

2009-10-30 Thread Graham Cobb
On Saturday 31 October 2009 00:28:21 Jeremiah Foster wrote: On Oct 30, 2009, at 10:58, Graham Cobb wrote: On Friday 30 October 2009 08:11:37 Reshma Prasanna wrote: Hi, I'm new to Maemo but I'm using a PC that already has a Maemo SDK installation (done by someone else). Please tell me how

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-10-29 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 29 October 2009 08:08:20 Attila Csipa wrote: On Thursday 29 October 2009 07:07:14 Ed Bartosh wrote: Then let's find the way to do it better. I believe that was the stance on the problem since day 1 :) What I'm afraid of is that developers wouldn't like the approach to change

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-10-29 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:12:45 Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Alberto Mardegan ma...@users.sourceforge.net writes: b) A control file field makes the most sense to control the build process. Agreed. I think dedicated files in debian/ are better, like the debian/package.install

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-10-28 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 28 October 2009 20:39:57 Andrew Flegg wrote: Ed wrote: BTW, when you want to have it done? I'm going to vacation in a couple of weeks. Before that I was going to finish implementation of multiple packages builds if I have time. i don't know, it's not my baby :-) One would

Re: Extras QA checklist

2009-10-28 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 28 October 2009 18:28:24 Antti Vähä-Sipilä wrote: * MUST NOT introduce security risks. I'd rephrase MUST NOT contain known security vulnerabilities and MUST specify a security vulnerability reporting contact point. The second requirement is not reasonable. Many small programs,

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