Laurent MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Also, there are some bugs left in the 770 OS which only Nokia can
fix (like rebooting every 5 minutes when using WPA for wireless)
Are you serious when saying this? The problem occurs on my N770 but I
didn't know it was due to WPA. I'm going to
On 1/10/07, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope that the general mood would acknowledge, that the 770 won't
stop working immediately just because of the fork. It still will do the
stuff it does now, which is a lot. And I'll bet that the software on the
770 will see further improvements,
2007/1/10, Dave Neuer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[on the iPhone]
Browsing, email, music, video, phone calls, on one device,
all will almost certainly work nearly flawlessly.
:D
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Klaasjan Brand schrieb:
That's what I thought when I heard about the N800. There's nothing
stopping you from using the 770 as shipped, but since the
community-contributed software is one of the key selling points I'd be
very disappointed if software support for the 770 begins to decrease for
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Martin Grimme schreef:
I'm pretty sure that there are good reason for the compatibility
problems, such as more recent libraries on ITOS 2007. If ITOS 2007 uses
a Cairo-enabled GTK version (and I guess it does), then there's no point
in running
Dave Neuer wrote:
The prices are almost the same,
Except the price of the other is with a 24 month lock-in contract. We
don't know
the real unsubsidized price. We don't even know if the other allows you
to install
your _own_ applications or any other minor details. Apple certainly has
created
Also, there are some bugs left in the 770 OS which only Nokia can
fix (like rebooting every 5 minutes when using WPA for wireless)
Are you serious when saying this? The problem occurs on my N770 but I
didn't know it was due to WPA. I'm going to disable security (or swap
to WEP) to see
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 22:37 +0200, ext Jani-Matti Hätinen wrote:
...
Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote:
It would be easy if we would already have the perfect OS API in place :)
But the fact is that we have to do improvements and remove some old API
at some point. It does not make sense to keep all the
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 09:26 -0500, ext Mike Lococo wrote:
Ok, so deprecating parts of the API was necessary at this point.
That's understandable and happens all the time. But could someone
please tell me why that means that new parts of the API can't be used
on the 770?
Not in
Well, obviously there will be 500 such developers now :) I just think
it should have been 1500 happy users with $100 discounts instead of
500 happy developers with $300 discounts.
Those 500 developers are going to create applications which may not
work on the devices of every non-developer
Levi Bard wrote:
Well, obviously there will be 500 such developers now :) I just think
it should have been 1500 happy users with $100 discounts instead of
500 happy developers with $300 discounts.
Those 500 developers are going to create applications which may not
work on the devices of
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:46:38 +0100, Martin Grimme wrote:
I'm pretty sure that there are good reason for the compatibility
problems, such as more recent libraries on ITOS 2007. If ITOS 2007 uses
a Cairo-enabled GTK version (and I guess it does), then there's no point
in running ITOS 2007 on the
On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Ty Hoffman wrote:
Exactly right. I was thinking the same thing...If I do end up
buying an 800, I'll damn well try to make my apps run on both. And
in many cases this shouldn't be too much of a pain.
It's APIs such as the GPS one that make me fearful. I think
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 20:58 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote:
...
Yes, but the question is not only about hacking, it is about end users.
Can end users somehow get such system (not called 2007) so developers
can ship one application (with Bora functionality) that work both on
such N770 and
ext Urho Konttori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Could this be part of the .install file?
One debian for 770 and one for N800.
Yes, a .install file can specify individual repositories for different
IT OS releases. It could look like this (untested):
[install]
repo_name = maemo Extras
Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote:
Even without any OS update for N770, you could do an application that
works both in N770 and N800, if you avoid using some API. I think most
N770 applications worked with small or non-existent changes in N800.
(You just have to compile it in N770 SDK and test it in N800,
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 10:09 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote:
Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote:
Even without any OS update for N770, you could do an application that
works both in N770 and N800, if you avoid using some API. I think most
N770 applications worked with small or non-existent changes in
I think the 770/N800 break with OS support from ITOS2006 to ITOS2007
is reasonable. The 770 was a first-generation device, really the
first of its kind. I hope the N800 doesn't get deprecated in the same
way, and I hope Nokia at least considers giving some discount to
people buying the N800 that
On 1/10/07, Ted Zlatanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the 770/N800 break with OS support from ITOS2006 to ITOS2007
is reasonable. The 770 was a first-generation device, really the
first of its kind. I hope the N800 doesn't get deprecated in the same
way, and I hope Nokia at least considers
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 12:30 -0500, Dave Neuer wrote:
...
Well put, thanks. I agreed with every word.
Andrew
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On 10 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's amazing to me is that someone in charge at Nokia thinks that
independant developers are going to flock to develop a market-creating
software ecosystem for a $400-$500 half-open platform, especially in
light of Apple's recent announcement of the
Hi,
I think the two devices are rather different and not really competing
directly that much against eachother. Also based on Apple's track record
I think their openness will be much less than Nokia's in regards to this
device. The whole Darwin joke hasn't exactly shown Apple to really give
a
Hi,
An interesting thread about the iPhone arch
http://lists.immunitysec.com/pipermail/dailydave/2007-January/003932.html
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On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 19:45 +0100, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote:
I think the two devices are rather different and not really competing
directly that much against eachother. Also based on Apple's track record
I think their openness will be much less than Nokia's in regards to this
device. The
I am quite disappointed too. If 770 software would be fully open
sourced, there would be no problem. But I feel like i've been cheated,
and now I'm trapped with a device with unsupported software (opera,
flash, etc.), and I guess main 770 developers will move to N800
attracted by the 99€ offer.
On 1/10/07, Ted Zlatanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, obviously there will be 500 such developers now :) I just think
it should have been 1500 happy users with $100 discounts instead of
500 happy developers with $300 discounts.
Those 500 developers are going to create applications which
On 1/10/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I think the two devices are rather different and not really competing
directly that much against eachother.
The prices are almost the same, and the iPhone will do everything the
n880 will do out of the box, plus much more. Who
Dave Neuer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Nokia was counting on the community to provide
that level of functionality for them, but won't pay us w/ the only
thing the open-source community cares about: code and documentation of
hardware.
Now that sounds as if you haven't watched very closely what
On 1/10/07, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that sounds as if you haven't watched very closely what happened the
last year or so. Claiming that Nokia did not provide hardware and (more
importantly) code is - in the best case - just uninformed.
Yes, I missed the post to the mailing
Dave Neuer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On 1/10/07, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that sounds as if you haven't watched very closely what happened the
last year or so. Claiming that Nokia did not provide hardware and (more
importantly) code is - in the best case - just uninformed.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia.
So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs)
for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility with OS2007?
Perhaps some kind of OS2006/OS2007 combination will turn out to be
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia.
So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs)
for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility with OS2007?
At maemo.org, it has
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 20:58 +0100, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
BTW I was a bit surprised how unmercifully Dr. Ari Jaaksi killed n770's
future. It was pretty tough :-) Also it doesn't send good message to
users and developers considering the platform. Well, life is hard. Time
will tell if it was
Frantisek Dufka kirjoitti 9.1.2007 kello 21.58:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia.
So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs)
for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility
with OS2007?
Perhaps some kind
BTW I was a bit surprised how unmercifully Dr. Ari Jaaksi killed n770's
future. It was pretty tough :-) Also it doesn't send good message to
users and developers considering the platform. Well, life is hard. Time
will tell if it was good move.
Yes, I was too. They're not overly cheap
On 1/9/07, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 770 with OS2006 is still supported by Nokia.
So we actually may see maintenance firmware updates (i.e. fixed bugs)
for OS2006? Or even something targeted for better compatibility with OS2007?
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