[Conclusion] Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-08 Thread Niels Breet
Hi all, given all responses favoring separate repositories, I think we should go that route. I think this is a good example of how we, the community, can influence the process and make decisions. Let's hope we can do this more and more. Thanks for all your input. - Niels

Re: Keeping Glib up to date (was RE: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?)

2008-05-07 Thread Quim Gil
ext Graham Cobb wrote: Nokia should be keeping all system libraries up to date and should be scheduling testing, to verify that the updated libraries do not break anything, as part of the release cycle. It is part of Nokia's responsibilities to its development community. Sure, and

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Graham Cobb
On Monday 05 May 2008 12:42:33 Niels Breet wrote: Do we need a separate extras repository for diablo or should we just add a link to chinook? I strongly believe they need to be separate. The main reason isn't from the point of view of Diablo, it is from the point of view of Chinook. The

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Niels Breet
On Mon, May 5, 2008 14:59, Ryan Pavlik wrote: For those working with the enhancements, it would obviously be best to keep the Diablo stuff separate, but allow a very easy forward/back-port of packages. In many cases, it's just a changing of a target in the debian changelog - is there someway

RE: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread josh.soref
Graham cobb wrote: If there are *any* library changes (you mentioned libssl but I *really* hope there will be an up to date version of glib!) Perhaps we did a really bad job explaining what not changing the platform means. I'm 99.99% certain that glib2.0 will be based on 2.12.12, just as it

RE: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 10:11:57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm 99.99% certain that glib2.0 will be based on 2.12.12, just as it was in the previous release. That is *very* disappointing. Presumably Diablo is the last update until 2009 at the earliest. More and more applications cannot be built

Gecko version? Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Frantisek Dufka
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only major changes are feature updates to the browser (not actually a new browser, it's still based on the same old gecko as 2008) Sorry for hijacking thread, this is certainly not central to this discussion. Does the it's still based on the same old gecko as 2008

Keeping Glib up to date (was RE: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?)

2008-05-06 Thread Graham Cobb
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 13:32:34 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A properly versioned operating system should be able to handle side by side libraries. Why on earth bother? I am also not a DD but my understanding was that in Debian this was only done when some ABI change occurs and means an

Re: Keeping Glib up to date (was RE: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?)

2008-05-06 Thread Fred Labrosse
On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Graham Cobb wrote: To take a real example, I previously supported Opensync on mistral, gregale, bora and chinook. I have already abandonned support for all except chinook because it was too much effort to deal with the old glib versions. For the moment I persevere

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia Tuesday, 6 of May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał: Graham cobb wrote: If there are *any* library changes (you mentioned libssl but I *really* hope there will be an up to date version of glib!) Perhaps we did a really bad job explaining what not changing the platform means. I'm

RE: Keeping Glib up to date (was RE: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?)

2008-05-06 Thread josh.soref
That said, to some extent people obviously do want to use later versions of libraries when/where possible. No one loves the idea of using code that's many years out of date with its ever growing set of known bugs. However sometimes bug-wise compatibility triumphs. Graham Cobb wrote:

RE: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread josh.soref
I wrote: I'm 99.99% certain that glib2.0 will be based on 2.12.12, just as it was in the previous release. Assuming I'm correctly reading the changelog there was only one change to glib2.0, and that was to fix shlibs in debian/rules. I should have written to _Nokia's_ glib2.0 for diablo.

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A full list of the new symbols in 2.14 and 2.16 is here: 2.14: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/ix09.html 2.16: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/ix10.html Aside from GIO, which has recently received a big push for GNOME applications, I don't

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Luca Olivetti
En/na Marius Vollmer ha escrit: ext Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does someone work on apt-get update;apt-get upgrade from Chinook to Diablo then? No, unfortunately not. We are working to get apt-get upgrade working for releases that come after Diablo. Does it mean

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-06 Thread Kees Jongenburger
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Graham Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 05 May 2008 12:42:33 Niels Breet wrote: Do we need a separate extras repository for diablo or should we just add a link to chinook? I strongly believe they need to be separate. Hi Considering the current

Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-05 Thread Niels Breet
Hi all, As you probably all know Diablo, the next revision of the IT OS, is coming out sooner or later. Diablo will be binary compatible with chinook, but there will be two additions. There will be a new email framework and a newer version of libssl (0.9.8) because of requirements for the WiMax

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-05 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia Monday 05 of May 2008, Niels Breet napisał: As you probably all know Diablo, the next revision of the IT OS, is coming out sooner or later. Diablo will be binary compatible with chinook, but there will be two additions. There will be a new email framework and a newer version of libssl

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-05 Thread Ryan Pavlik
Niels Breet wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2008 13:58, Rafael Proença wrote: Do we need a separate extras repository for diablo or should we just add a link to chinook? My guess is that if you link diablo to chinook what will happen is that all the chinook boxes will be upgraded to

Re: Diablo, do we need a separate repository?

2008-05-05 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does someone work on apt-get update;apt-get upgrade from Chinook to Diablo then? No, unfortunately not. We are working to get apt-get upgrade working for releases that come after Diablo. I agree that a smooth upgrade path is needed: without