Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-05 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, > ext John P. Mitchell wrote: >> I have gotten the impression that my warranty could now be void due >> to my installing third party non-Nokia software on my tablet. This >> can not be true, and if so, I will be looking to return my tablet. I >> purchased it purely for the freedom to develop

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 2/2/07, John P. Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Warranty void if I install non-nokia packages?!?!?!? Please tell me this is not the case. As with all warrantees, if you do something to break it, you get to keep both pieces. So generalizing about installing anything automatically void

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread John P. Mitchell
Eero, On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext James Sparenberg wrote: (this is not an official comment on anything, just my personal opinions) ext Gavin O' Gorman wrote: On 1/30/07, Karl Bellve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, I wish Nokia would have went with thunderbird an

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread Paul Klapperich
I think I would just say "Nokia may refuse to support such configurations" as when I think of warranty I really think of hardware and not software, whereas support covers both. Some clarifying will likely be needed however you say it, though. --Paul P.S. Just realized your e-mail address. Now I

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread Antonio Orlando
I'd like to renew some thoughts I've already posted long time ago [1], with no replies though. In summary, why not using the Zero Install way (by Thomas Leonard, the man behind ROX Desktop) as the preferred package repository system for the Maemo platform? I can't see disadvantages, other tha

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread Paul Klapperich
It shouldn't void the warranty because it doesn't physically/permanently damage the device. I can reflash to factory conditions and it works as advertised again. I could see Nokia refusing to help (ie phone support) if I've customized the software too much, but I would also expect them to point m

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, Some more private thoughts, please take them with a ton of salt... ext Scott G Kelly wrote: Eero Tamminen wrote: If you accidentally remove something you would still need (which is not in the Maemo repositories), you will need to reflash the device to get it back though. And I guess remov

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread Scott G Kelly
Eero Tamminen wrote: > If you accidentally remove something you would still need (which is not > in the Maemo repositories), you will need to reflash the device to > get it back though. And I guess removing or adding packages voids > your warrantly (because those configurations are not tested). H

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-02 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext James Sparenberg wrote: (this is not an official comment on anything, just my personal opinions) ext Gavin O' Gorman wrote: On 1/30/07, Karl Bellve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, I wish Nokia would have went with thunderbird and firefox that could be improved by the outside co

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-01 Thread Carlos Guerreiro
My other big complaint is that the entire device has to be reflashed in order to run the new version of the OS. Why can't they update different pieces, like the browser, or the kernel? Since the browser and flash player hasn't been updated, I don't think I will update my Nokia 770. Fin

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-02-01 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 02:16:28 Eero Tamminen wrote: > Hi, > > (this is not an official comment on anything, just my personal opinions) > > ext Gavin O' Gorman wrote: > > On 1/30/07, Karl Bellve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Personally, I wish Nokia would have went with thunderbird and fire

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-31 Thread Ville Reijonen
Also, on a mobile device, it's much more likely that the battery runs out, or drops out (if user is a bit thoughtless). If this happens when you're running dist-upgrade, you've bricked your device. Well, not really.. you can still flash it. Or reboot from memory card and continue thru chroot o

RE: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-31 Thread quim.gil
>From nokia >consumer product point of view, perhaps this is not their >issues, since they expect users to just buy the tablet and use >without 3rd party software. Just to clarify, we expect (and encourage) users to install 3rd party software. See the Maemo effort and the progress being done

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-31 Thread Hanno Zulla
Eero Tamminen schrieb: > Note that for performance reasons the binaries & libraries on the > device are prelinked. This is not automatically done when some > package is updated (would take too long time etc). I.e. with the > central library package update, your device will get slower + use more >

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-31 Thread Hanno Zulla
Eero Tamminen schrieb: > Debian is not a "consumer" distribution, it's a "developer" > / "Linux user" distribution. I disagree that Debian is a developer or "linux user only" distribution. My company uses it for production work since five years. But that's a matter of taste, I guess. However, Ub

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-31 Thread Wahlau -
hi, why not implement something like having the post-installed softwares on the MMC (yes, i am aware of the speed issue) so that we can just flash the what-so-ever firmware updates, and still be able to use directly the installed software straight with little tweaking (perhaps updates for these s

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-31 Thread Simon Moore
Except maybe for the time taken to do backup & restore, re-flashing the device is both faster and easier than dist-upgrade. The backup & restore could be improved somewhat, especially in regards to application installer though. Automatic restoring of packages after reflashing could be risky th

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-31 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, (this is not an official comment on anything, just my personal opinions) ext Gavin O' Gorman wrote: On 1/30/07, Karl Bellve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, I wish Nokia would have went with thunderbird and firefox that could be improved by the outside community. Instead, they went w

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-30 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 09:10:19 Gavin O' Gorman wrote: > On 1/30/07, Karl Bellve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Personally, I wish Nokia would have went with thunderbird and firefox > > that could be improved by the outside community. Instead, they went with > > buggy pieces of proprietary code

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-30 Thread Gavin O' Gorman
On 1/30/07, Karl Bellve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, I wish Nokia would have went with thunderbird and firefox that could be improved by the outside community. Instead, they went with buggy pieces of proprietary code that Nokia can't seem to fix on its own. My other big complaint is th

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-30 Thread Karl Bellve
Simon Moore wrote: Some feedback for the new version 3 IT2006 on the 770 The web browser (opera 8.02) and flash player (6.0.82.2) are still the same version and still crash (as in browser closes, or occasionally whole OS reboots) randomly with no discernable pattern (i.e. crash on a page one

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-30 Thread Simon Moore
Some feedback for the new version 3 IT2006 on the 770 The web browser (opera 8.02) and flash player (6.0.82.2) are still the same version and still crash (as in browser closes, or occasionally whole OS reboots) randomly with no discernable pattern (i.e. crash on a page one moment, reload the b

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-27 Thread Martin Grimme
Anders Rune Jensen schrieb: On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 16:56 +0100, Martin Grimme wrote: Hi, I have one question. When I have installed the Navicore software on ITOS 2006.39, will I have to deactivate it before reflashing and after that activate it again, or is the Navicore license only tied to the

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-27 Thread Anders Rune Jensen
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 16:56 +0100, Martin Grimme wrote: > Hi, > > I have one question. > When I have installed the Navicore software on ITOS 2006.39, > will I have to deactivate it before reflashing and after that > activate it again, or is the Navicore license only tied to the MAC > address inste

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-26 Thread James Sparenberg
On Friday 26 January 2007 06:05, Ferenc Szekely wrote: > Hello, > > The latest OS 2006 Edition for Nokia 770 tablets is available at: > http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 > > The release notes: > > * Improved quality of WLAN connections > * Wi-Fi certification included > > On behalf of th

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-26 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:56:01PM +0100, Martin Grimme wrote: > I have one question. > When I have installed the Navicore software on ITOS 2006.39, > will I have to deactivate it before reflashing and after that > activate it again, or is the Navicore license only tied to the MAC > address instead

Re: [maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-26 Thread Martin Grimme
Hi, I have one question. When I have installed the Navicore software on ITOS 2006.39, will I have to deactivate it before reflashing and after that activate it again, or is the Navicore license only tied to the MAC address instead of being tied to the firmware? Regards, Martin Ferenc Szekely

[maemo-users] [maemo-announce] New OS 2006 firmware released

2007-01-26 Thread Ferenc Szekely
Hello, The latest OS 2006 Edition for Nokia 770 tablets is available at: http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 The release notes: * Improved quality of WLAN connections * Wi-Fi certification included On behalf of the team, ferenc ps: flashing instructions are in the wiki: http://maemo.or