Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-10 Thread James Knott
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > Il 10-10-2007 6:04, "Quim Gil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > >> On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 07:46 -0700, ext John Rudd wrote: >> >>> On problem with your theory. >>> >>> I never performed steps 5b nor 6, yet I have never seen the "Advanced" menu. >>> >> In

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-10 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
Il 10-10-2007 6:04, "Quim Gil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 07:46 -0700, ext John Rudd wrote: >> On problem with your theory. >> >> I never performed steps 5b nor 6, yet I have never seen the "Advanced" menu. > > In theory (and we are talking now about computer theo

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 07:46 -0700, ext John Rudd wrote: > On problem with your theory. > > I never performed steps 5b nor 6, yet I have never seen the "Advanced" menu. In theory (and we are talking now about computer theory) ;) all the N800s out there are just same after a clean reflash. If yo

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 01:32:01 Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > Il 5-10-2007 19:25, "Steve Yelvington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out > > they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. > > > > Last item in the dropd

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Neil MacLeod
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > A tabbed browser would probably make many people happy, but I don't really > see the advantage over the current implementation (i.e. Having a new window > open for a new link). Perhaps one could see a use for the box view to > compare two rendered sites in one shot (might

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread John Rudd
John Rudd wrote: > Quim Gil wrote: >> Alright, we found the answer. >> >> On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:08 +0200, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: >>> En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: >>> I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" to the users. >>> The fact is

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread John Rudd
Quim Gil wrote: > Alright, we found the answer. > > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:08 +0200, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: >> En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: >> >>> I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" >>> to the users. >> The fact is, there *is* something more than

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Tim Ashman
On 10/09/2007 00:08, Luca Olivetti wrote: > En/na Quim Gil ha escrit: > >>> Yes, I lost the option after installing microb, and according to > >>> internettsalettalk forums I'm not the only one. Now, if is there a way > >>> to get it back I'd be glad to try ;-) > > > > Sorry, I miss these threads.

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
Again I've replied only to the sender, here my mail again: On 9-10-2007 13:03, "Quim Gil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alright, we found the answer. ... Yeah that was what I was thinking about too. > And what about these Advanced UI options? We were experimenting with > them by the time we mad

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Quim Gil
Alright, we found the answer. On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:08 +0200, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: > En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: > > > I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" > > to the users. > > The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel.

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
Il 9-10-2007 11:08, "Luca Olivetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: > >> I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" >> to the users. > > The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel. Well, I think it was th

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Luca Olivetti
En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: > I confirm this, but I think that this menu was not intented to be "released" > to the users. The fact is, there *is* something more than the updated kernel. Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@ma

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
Il 5-10-2007 19:25, "Steve Yelvington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out > they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. > > Last item in the dropdown menu is "Advanced,"where you choose the > browser engine, and amo

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
Il 9-10-2007 9:08, "Luca Olivetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > En/na Quim Gil ha escrit: Yes, I lost the option after installing microb, and according to internettsalettalk forums I'm not the only one. Now, if is there a way to get it back I'd be glad to try ;-) >> >> Sorry,

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-09 Thread Luca Olivetti
En/na Quim Gil ha escrit: >>> Yes, I lost the option after installing microb, and according to >>> internettsalettalk forums I'm not the only one. Now, if is there a way >>> to get it back I'd be glad to try ;-) > > Sorry, I miss these threads. URL? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showth

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-08 Thread Quim Gil
> > Yes, I lost the option after installing microb, and according to > > internettsalettalk forums I'm not the only one. Now, if is there a way > > to get it back I'd be glad to try ;-) Sorry, I miss these threads. URL? The fact is that last week release includes just a patch in the kernel for th

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-08 Thread James Sparenberg
On Saturday 06 October 2007 06:46:08 Luca Olivetti wrote: > El Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:04:19 -0700 > > James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > On Friday 05 October 2007 12:35:08 Luca Olivetti wrote: > > > El Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:25:54 -0400 > > > > > > Steve Yelvington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escr

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-06 Thread John Rudd
Luca Olivetti wrote: > El Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:04:19 -0700 > James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > >> On Friday 05 October 2007 12:35:08 Luca Olivetti wrote: >>> El Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:25:54 -0400 >>> >>> Steve Yelvington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: I thought the browser tab thing

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-06 Thread Luca Olivetti
El Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:04:19 -0700 James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > On Friday 05 October 2007 12:35:08 Luca Olivetti wrote: > > El Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:25:54 -0400 > > > > Steve Yelvington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Friday 05 October 2007 12:35:08 Luca Olivetti wrote: > El Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:25:54 -0400 > > Steve Yelvington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out > > they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. > > Nope, the advanc

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Friday 05 October 2007 12:04:16 Frédéric Crozat wrote: > Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 18:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer a écrit : > > "ext James Sparenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Marius, In reply to the space constraint and upgrade done to the > > > entire OS. This was first solved in UR

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Friday 05 October 2007 10:25:54 Steve Yelvington wrote: > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out > they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. > > Last item in the dropdown menu is "Advanced,"where you choose the > browser engine, and among its (new?)

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-06 Thread James Sparenberg
On Friday 05 October 2007 09:37:56 Acadia Secure Networks wrote: > James, > > re: > > PS I'm finding a lot of things working much nicer in the new update > > beyond the documented updates. Like tabs in the browser! Then again I'm > > just glad I decided to wait recently. I'd done a number

Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-05 Thread Luca Olivetti
El Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:25:54 -0400 Steve Yelvington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out > they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. Nope, the advanced menu option disappears as soon as you install microb. -- Luca

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-05 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 18:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer a écrit : > "ext James Sparenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Marius, In reply to the space constraint and upgrade done to the > > entire OS. This was first solved in URPMI for Mandrake around 8.1 > > (Now called Mandriva) and AFAI

Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Yelvington
I thought the browser tab thing was an urban legend, but it turns out they're there, and probably agnostic to the HTML engine. Last item in the dropdown menu is "Advanced,"where you choose the browser engine, and among its (new?) entries is "View" with options for tab, box and window. However,

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-05 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
James, re: > PS I'm finding a lot of things working much nicer in the new update > beyond the documented updates. Like tabs in the browser! Then again I'm > just glad I decided to wait recently. I'd done a number of "fixes" that I > unfixed and I needed a clean install almost did it t

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-05 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext James Sparenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Marius, In reply to the space constraint and upgrade done to the > entire OS. This was first solved in URPMI for Mandrake around 8.1 > (Now called Mandriva) and AFAIK it has been ported into the > dist-upgrade feature for dpkg/apt. I don't kno

Re: The MMC issues (was: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-05 Thread Brad Midgley
Patrick If you were able to revive the card then it's not the same problem. Brad On 10/5/07, Patrick Ohly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 10:15 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: > > The issue was not about SDHC compatibility but power management. > > There were several 2GB Sandisk U

Re: The MMC issues (was: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-05 Thread Patrick Ohly
On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 10:15 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: > The issue was not about SDHC compatibility but power management. > There were several 2GB Sandisk Ultra II cards that had been damaged. > > If you use only the pre-installed/supported Nokia software you're > very unlikely to trigger the iss

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-04 Thread Gary Baribault
I have to agree with you, I aided another poster to start thin 'whining' thread, ut it's part of the development process .. I did this flash because my machine needed a fresh start and it did wonders. I just wish the OpenSSH was working! Gary Baribault Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key: 0x4346F

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-04 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 08:12:02 Fred C wrote: > On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:36:10 -0700 > > Thomas Leavitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I'm not understanding here is that the tablet is a debian Linux > > system, in it's essence... what's the issue with just making the > > updated packages a

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-04 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 03:14:48 Marius Vollmer wrote: > > Likewise we can easily afford Debian style package management. The > one serious constraint we might run into is that there is not enough > storage space to carry out an update of the whole OS. But even that > should not be that ser

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-04 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Eero Tamminen wrote: >>> From what I understand, it is enough to flash the kernel and initfs of >>> 4.2007.38-2, no need to kill your rootfs. >> Is there a straightforward way to do this from a FIASCO image? > > Linux flasher at least has "--unpack" and "--kernel" options, so yes. But on

Re: The MMC issues (was: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-04 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext DrFredC.com wrote: >>> What I'm not understanding is the big rush to update for a few minor >>> fixes, especially if there's the known potential of extra user overhead >>> getting the update and apps all sorted out. If it aint broke, ... >>> >> but 4.2007.38 does fix a situation tha

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread DrFredC.com
Brad Midgley wrote: > Fred > > >> What I'm not understanding is the big rush to update for a few minor >> fixes, especially if there's the known potential of extra user overhead >> getting the update and apps all sorted out. If it aint broke, ... >> > but 4.2007.38 does fix a situation th

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Brad Midgley
Fred > What I'm not understanding is the big rush to update for a few minor > fixes, especially if there's the known potential of extra user overhead > getting the update and apps all sorted out. If it aint broke, ... but 4.2007.38 does fix a situation that can brick an sdhc card. Brad ___

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Marius Vollmer
Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm pretty sure that the dist-upgrade is going to require tens of > MBs of free space to do e.g. because some of the packages are pretty > large (check for example the Browser packages in garage). Yep, but that doesn't sound unreasonable to me at all.

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 17:23 +0200, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: > Igor Stoppa wrote: > > > Bootloader, Kernel and initfs should be packaged, but technically > > nothing is preventing from reflashing them. > > > > Except that at least current version of OS keeps initfs mounted and runs > relative

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Igor Stoppa wrote: > Bootloader, Kernel and initfs should be packaged, but technically > nothing is preventing from reflashing them. > Except that at least current version of OS keeps initfs mounted and runs relatively critical stuff from it. In theory everything should be already cached in RA

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Fred C
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:36:10 -0700 Thomas Leavitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I'm not understanding here is that the tablet is a debian Linux > system, in it's essence... what's the issue with just making the > updated packages available, for the power users and tweakers willing > to go thr

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Josh Smith wrote: > There is a thread (or two) about this on ITT. > > http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10014&page=7 AFAIK only kernel changed. And it only fixed the MMC issue and should now detect some cards better. Basically if you were using the separate non-

RE: Updating software issues (was RE: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-03 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
RE: 4.2007.38-2 available) Hi there, for those of you concerned about this bugfix release and our plans to improve the process of updating software in the tablets: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software- in-the-nokia-tablets/ -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi, On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 16:33 +0300, ext Eero Tamminen wrote: > Some misc notes of upgrades. > > > I'm pretty sure that the dist-upgrade is going to require tens > of MBs of free space to do e.g. because some of the packages are > pretty large (check for example the Browser packages in garage)

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Simon Pickering wrote: >> As I said, the wine could be getting to me here in Montreal, but THAT'S >> why I bought this toy, and that translates to 90 minutes plus if I have >> to reconfigure it at each flash!! And I repeat, Nokia, I'm not >> bitching, thatks for the great toy, it's alread

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Eero Tamminen
ext Levi Bard wrote: >> From what I understand, it is enough to flash the kernel and initfs of >> 4.2007.38-2, no need to kill your rootfs. > > Is there a straightforward way to do this from a FIASCO image? Linux flasher at least has "--unpack" and "--kernel" options, so yes. - Eero

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Levi Bard
> From what I understand, it is enough to flash the kernel and initfs of > 4.2007.38-2, no need to kill your rootfs. Is there a straightforward way to do this from a FIASCO image? -- "Tak does not require that we think of Him, only that we think." --Grag Bashfullsson http://www.gnu.org/philosoph

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Gary Baribault
Thanks for the reply, I saw yesterday on another blog that the problem might be one of cutture .. Nokia people used to working on phones and not on a Linux OSS project. It's replies like this that show that Nokia cares! Gary Baribault Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key: 0x4346F013 GPG Fingerprin

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Tim
Simon, Sorry. The lib(s) are unknown. I updated three of them at one time and don't know which (or all) caused the problem. I will get you (and my blog) the names later today... Yes, it was a terrible oversight. Peace, Tim -- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photo

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Michael Wiktowy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This conversation has been had many times in the past and Nokia has > resisted it since it complicates updates in a huge way. It is a fact > that it is more difficult to do this on a resource constrained system > like the Internet Tablets than on

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Simon Pickering
> As I said, the wine could be getting to me here in Montreal, but THAT'S > why I bought this toy, and that translates to 90 minutes plus if I have > to reconfigure it at each flash!! And I repeat, Nokia, I'm not > bitching, thatks for the great toy, it's already making my life much > better, but

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Gary Baribault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK then, can I beat up on them? Sure, keep it coming! :-) It is good to see what people care about, and a good rant is always appreciated. It really does help keep my priorities sane, at least. > I agree, this is a lousy way of doing the update

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Simon Pickering
> I think I have you beat. I just reflashed with the (now) previous > firmware because updating a lib in red-pill mode bricked my N800: > > http://sense-datum.org/tim/archive/2007/09/17/Sunburned_parched_and_otherwis/tim_samoff__weblog > > It took me an entire weekend to gett back up to speed. So

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Alan Williamson
> Anyone care to host a survey of all applications that we load and how > much time it takes to reflash/customize/restore? (Not to mention re-test > the restore!) The issue isn't how long it takes, is that many times you don't know which bits you have tweeked and which bits you have left alone.

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-03 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It took me an entire weekend to gett back up to speed. So, in > response, this new update is definitely _not_ cool. :( >From what I understand, it is enough to flash the kernel and initfs of 4.2007.38-2, no need to kill your rootfs. ___

Updating software issues (was RE: 4.2007.38-2 available)

2007-10-02 Thread Quim Gil
Hi there, for those of you concerned about this bugfix release and our plans to improve the process of updating software in the tablets: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software-in-the-nokia-tablets/ -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Thomas Leavitt
What I'm not understanding here is that the tablet is a debian Linux system, in it's essence... what's the issue with just making the updated packages available, for the power users and tweakers willing to go through the work of a manual update? It doesn't do anything to prevent the folks whose

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Now that's funny... :-) Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Midgley Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:04 PM To: Gary Baribault Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: 4.2007.38-2 available guys It takes longer to read

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 10/2/07, Jac Kersing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Michael Wiktowy wrote: > > > Reality is that they are much closer to the resource constrains of a > > cell phone and I don't know of a single cell phone that doesn't just > > wipe everything that isn't on the SIM or external m

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 19:03:56 Brad Midgley wrote: > guys > > It takes longer to read this thread than it does to reinstall my apps. > At least it's improving... I used to have to restore sources.list > too... > > brad Ya don't have to read every post every time ya know *cheesy grin* James

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Brad Midgley
guys It takes longer to read this thread than it does to reinstall my apps. At least it's improving... I used to have to restore sources.list too... brad ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-u

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 18:45:59 Fred C wrote: > I don't consider my n800 a toy. I've been in and out of computers and > prrogramming since 1968. The N800 is a new device of extremely > limited power, but very nice utility, if used within reasonable > limits. > > Those expecting more need a re

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Mike Klein
Regardless of my most likely incorrect categorization...it exists and affects #s reported that if people don't include category they fall into...then #s mean nothing. Nokia knows it is a problem and plans to address it anyways...so kudos to them. Since N800 isn't a phone I can't see comparison to

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Fred C
I don't consider my n800 a toy. I've been in and out of computers and prrogramming since 1968. The N800 is a new device of extremely limited power, but very nice utility, if used within reasonable limits. Those expecting more need a reality check if they expect to push the envelope of a small

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Jonathan Greene
Stay tuned Brian ... http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/third-internet-tablet-slider-confirmed.html On 10/2/07, Brian Litzinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 12:24:48PM -0700, Mike Klein wrote: > > This is how I read the announcement...fixes for just 2 bugs. However it > > Btw

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Gary Baribault
Hey Mike, I think most people who are minimalists would not get involved in a Linux device, they would have gone for the IPhone. Sure there will be some of them who purchase a 400$+ device for minimal functionality, but, and I may be mistaken, the red wine is getting to me here, most of us

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Mike Klein
These #s mean nothing without taking into account target user as you mention. Do Nothing: This person buys device, installs a few apps and nothing else. (TARGET AUDIENCE) Minimal: These users install bunches of apps, certificates, pgp keys (SECONDARY) Maxmimum: Power Users/Devt who fully tweak dev

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Gary Baribault
Yep, that's exactly what I mean, some people have put down 430$ (in Canada) for a nice toy, and they can flash and restore in 20 minutes, but most people (I think, and I may be wrong) have put down 430$ for a fully customised device .. I'm not looking to be skewing information, if i'm wrong, then I

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Tim
All, I think I have you beat. I just reflashed with the (now) previous firmware because updating a lib in red-pill mode bricked my N800: http://sense-datum.org/tim/archive/2007/09/17/Sunburned_parched_and_otherwis/tim_samoff__weblog It took me an entire weekend to gett back up to speed. So, in

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I'm sure that some of the N800 owners can backup/flash/restore in 20 > minutes, but I would really be curious how many people take over 90 > minutes. If you limit your curiosity to those over 90 minutes, you'll purposefully skew the results, which really isn't appropriate. I'm a 20 minute

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 14:43:34 Gary Baribault wrote: > I'm sure that some of the N800 owners can backup/flash/restore in 20 > minutes, but I would really be curious how many people take over 90 > minutes. I'm near there and have only had the toy for about 20 days. By > the time I'm finished cu

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 12:19:49 Andrew Flegg wrote: > On 10/2/07, Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also it would be helpful if Nokia would clearly specify ALL of the > > changes in this release. Is there any reason not to? > > The fact that the initial digit (i.e. the revis

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
ctober 02, 2007 3:57 PM To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: 4.2007.38-2 available Nokia already announced that this will be fixed in the upcoming 4.x Chinhook release. To install 4.0 you'll have to reflash but after 4.0, each new release will be upgradable via dpkg. Please do your research

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Gary Baribault
t;> Nick. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Gary Baribault >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:44 PM >> To: Jac Kersing >> Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org >> Subject: Re: 4.2007.38-

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Thomas Leavitt
holas Shaw wrote: > I'm 3-4 hours. > > Nick. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Gary Baribault > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:44 PM > To: Jac Kersing > Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org > Subject: Re: 4

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Kemal Hadimli
Nokia already announced that this will be fixed in the upcoming 4.x Chinhook release. To install 4.0 you'll have to reflash but after 4.0, each new release will be upgradable via dpkg. Please do your research first. And no, caps won't help. On 10/2/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
I'm 3-4 hours. Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Baribault Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:44 PM To: Jac Kersing Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: 4.2007.38-2 available I'm sure that some of the N800 owners

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Gary Baribault
I'm sure that some of the N800 owners can backup/flash/restore in 20 minutes, but I would really be curious how many people take over 90 minutes. I'm near there and have only had the toy for about 20 days. By the time I'm finished customizing the application load, configurations, ssh keys, and asso

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Jac Kersing
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Michael Wiktowy wrote: > Reality is that they are much closer to the resource constrains of a > cell phone and I don't know of a single cell phone that doesn't just > wipe everything that isn't on the SIM or external memory card on a > firmware update ... Sorry, not true. A

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
I'm not sure I would characterize not performing updates without having to reflash as an outrage against nature but it is more than mildly frustrating. If we consider, for the N800, all updates since January and if it takes 3 hours to update the device plus reload/reconfigure all applications (this

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Gary Baribault
I have a cell and have had one for a long time .. I use it to make phone calls and ignore the MP3/WEB and Camera. I also have three digital cameras I don't need another one. I have a Creative Zen M with a 30Gig drive that I'm looking forward to giving to my son when I start to use my N800 for MP3s.

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 10/2/07, Gary Baribault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK then, can I beat up on them? I agree, this is a lousy way of doing > the updates, I cannot suggest this device to anyone if every time there > is an update, all applications have to be re-installed!! Why can't the > update take a proper#ful

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Gary Baribault
; > Ok, I'm going to stop beating up Nokia now and do some work... :-) > > Nick. > > > -Original Message- > From: Acadia Secure Networks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:55 PM > To: Dr. Nicholas Shaw > Cc: maemo-users@ma

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
do some work... :-) Nick. -Original Message- From: Acadia Secure Networks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:55 PM To: Dr. Nicholas Shaw Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: 4.2007.38-2 available Nick, I share your pain and I wholeheartedly agree. The product w

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Mike Klein
This is how I read the announcement...fixes for just 2 bugs. However it would be nice to see official change listeven if only to list these 2 bugs. Btw (not to compare rotten apples to florida oranges) but WM phones/devices and many others work the same way...reflash and reinstall. I that WM

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 10/2/07, Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also it would be helpful if Nokia would clearly specify ALL of the > changes in this release. Is there any reason not to? The fact that the initial digit (i.e. the revision number) is the same suggests that the changes are minor. Ho

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
Nick, I share your pain and I wholeheartedly agree. The product will not find traction in the business market (if that is a market in which Nokia has interest for this product) unless this problem is fixed. Also it would be helpful if Nokia would clearly specify ALL of the changes in this rele

RE: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
I can't believe that Nokia still expects its users to reload everything in order to install a patch. This has got to be the most poorly designed OS I've ever encountered. Fixing this should be their #1 priority. I'm sorry to vent but this makes no sense. Many, like me, held off updating th

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Josh Smith
There is a thread (or two) about this on ITT. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10014&page=7 cheers, josh On 10/2/07, Piotr Zagorowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are asking about: > > "This new release (version number 4.2007.38-2) provides a software fix for a >

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Piotr Zagorowski
If you are asking about: "This new release (version number 4.2007.38-2) provides a software fix for a bug which may have appeared while copying large amount of data over-the-air or from external SDHC memory card to internal memory or vice versa. In some

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Alan Williamson
will this one wipe all the data? Piotr Zagorowski wrote: > you have probably noticed: > > http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users

4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-02 Thread Piotr Zagorowski
you have probably noticed: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html Pit -- Piotr - ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users