Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 DVD 64bits install is broken

2012-05-25 Thread Marc Paré
d rufus in windows to burn the .iso into the usb, now i dont know if this is specifically caused by rufus or if this is caused by other thing, and here would be better that others could test and reproduce this. Regarding "No ACPI" i can not confirm what Marc Paré said, and again, the ins

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 DVD 64bits install is broken

2012-05-25 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Juergen, Le 2012-05-25 09:14, Juergen Harms a écrit : Did you file a bug? - I think you should, because - the problem is reproducable on several installations (what do they have in common?) - Mageia should be installable by a newby, without the need to "fiddle with the NO ACPI option" - it is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 DVD 64bits install is broken

2012-05-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2012-05-24 20:16, Simple . a écrit : I am writing from a DVD install downloaded from Mageia and burned onto a DVD. I also did a SUM check and all was fine. I tried to install 3-4 times and I got the same messages as you. I then realized that, depending on some boards you may need to install

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 DVD 64bits install is broken

2012-05-24 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Simple Le 2012-05-24 13:47, Simple . a écrit : 2012/5/24 Marc Paré: Hi Simple Le 2012-05-23 17:03, Simple . a écrit : Hi, I have burned the DVD 64bits iso into a USB pen disk and during the install i get this first problem: Instalation failed, some files are missing: /tmp/image

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 DVD 64bits install is broken

2012-05-23 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Simple Le 2012-05-23 17:03, Simple . a écrit : Hi, I have burned the DVD 64bits iso into a USB pen disk and during the install i get this first problem: Instalation failed, some files are missing: /tmp/image/media/core/telepathy-kde-common-internals-translations-0.3.0-1-mga2.noarch.rpm. Y

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 final release is out

2012-05-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2012-05-22 16:39, Anne Nicolas a écrit : Hi all So here it is! Mageia 2 final release is out. - new web site layout: http://mageia.org - blog announcement: http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/22/mageia-2 - download isos: https://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/ - release notes: https://wiki.mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] Kernel issues with atheros wifi

2012-04-17 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2012-04-17 16:56, JA Magallón a écrit : On 04/17/2012 10:50 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote: 17.04.2012 23:39, JA Magallón skrev: Hi... I've been bitten by this bug: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=139270&p=1 on my netbook. From what I read, ath9k bug is corrected in 3.3.2, and ath5

Re: [Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online

2011-11-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-11-14 12:34, Oliver Burger a écrit : After quite some work in the last weeks the new wiki is finally available! Check it out at https://wiki.mageia.org Until now only the English wiki is online, other will follow soon. We did import all (or most) of the contents from the old wiki and t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?

2011-06-30 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-30 18:34, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes 55-75% CPU. Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it made me ina

Re: [Mageia-dev] get-skype package for submission

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-10 20:13, Barry Jackson a écrit : On 10/06/11 15:08, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Barry Thanks for doing this. I uncompressed the file. What is the difference between the 2 .rpms? You may want to include a "readme" in the package for people like me. Cheers Marc Marc, It is

Re: [Mageia-dev] get-skype package for submission

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-09 19:56, Barry Jackson a écrit : I have been working on a package to install Skype current stable release and now feel that it is ready for submission for approval. It has already been improved/corrected/adapted many times following discussions on #mageia-mentoring where I have been

Re: [Mageia-dev] Providing 32-bit flash-player-plugin in x86_64 nonfree?

2011-06-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-05 15:45, andre999 a écrit : Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2011-06-05 03:59, Kira a écrit : 在 Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:25:59 +0800, Marc Paré 寫道: I have just installed Mageia on a 64 bit and the 64bit Flash .rpm is quite painless from the Adobe site. Cheers Marc The major problem is that

Re: [Mageia-dev] Providing 32-bit flash-player-plugin in x86_64 nonfree?

2011-06-05 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-05 03:59, Kira a écrit : 在 Sun, 05 Jun 2011 13:25:59 +0800, Marc Paré 寫道: I have just installed Mageia on a 64 bit and the 64bit Flash .rpm is quite painless from the Adobe site. Cheers Marc The major problem is that Adobe seems don't like we to distribute the 64-bit ve

Re: [Mageia-dev] Providing 32-bit flash-player-plugin in x86_64 nonfree?

2011-06-04 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Ahmad Le 2011-06-04 20:24, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 5 June 2011 02:23, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 5 June 2011 01:31, Anssi Hannula wrote: Hi! Currently our flash-player-plugin pkg is only built on 32-bit, as the 64-bit adobe build is still horribly out of date. However, this is problematic f

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 1 is out finally!

2011-06-01 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-01 13:29, Anne nicolas a écrit : Hi all Finally release is out and in time! First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers, artwork) can be proud of this final release. Still some improvments are need

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 1 is out finally!

2011-06-01 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-01 13:29, Anne nicolas a écrit : Hi all Finally release is out and in time! First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers, artwork) can be proud of this final release. Still some improvments are need

Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly

2010-12-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-12-26 17:29, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zondag 26 december 2010 09:50:34 schreef Marc Paré: I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users

Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly

2010-12-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-12-26 12:17, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Marc Paré mailto:m...@marcpare.com>> wrote: Le 2010-12-26 07:16, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : Should I submit this as a bug? Do we have a bugzilla? Marc We should submit it as a bug when we are s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly

2010-12-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-12-26 07:16, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : Hi Daniel We can try to fix the problem, but at first I think we will just build a copy of Mandriva, change all elements from Mandriva like Icons, Logos etc to the one's from Mageia and when system is running we will fix things so they will be easie

[Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly

2010-12-26 Thread Marc Paré
I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly written. Si

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

2010-11-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-26 06:23, Ahmad Samir a écrit : You mean the "rumours" that Ubuntu will switch to a rolling distro model? http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Rolling-release-rumours-wrong-1142040.html (thanks to misc posting the link on IRC yesterday). Yes. Thanks for the link and set

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

2010-11-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-26 05:35, Oliver Burger a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb am 2010-11-26 Do we have an archive list of the user mailist where we can refer people to continue on that particular thread? Are the mailists archived? https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101009/001055.html Merci

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

2010-11-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-26 03:14, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/11/26 andre999: MIhail Papadopoulos a écrit : Why not going down the right path: A rolling release cycle would be simply great. After all, this isn't a commercial distribution, so it shouldn't be a total noob Ubuntu-style mishmash. Why ?

Re: [Mageia-dev] LibreOffice

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-04 11:17, andre999 a écrit : Marc Paré a écrit : Bonsoir André: I had a talk with a LibO member and he says that a French packager on the Mageia team could be interested in helping to package LibO for Mageia. Maybe you could do this together and help each other out? It could help

Re: [Mageia-dev] New mirror -- maybe

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-04 03:14, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 3 November 2010 22:41, Marc Paré wrote: If I was to approach our local university about mirroring Mageia, would I have to supply them some specs? What would they need to know and who would they have to get into contact with? They are mirroring the

[Mageia-dev] New mirror -- maybe

2010-11-03 Thread Marc Paré
If I was to approach our local university about mirroring Mageia, would I have to supply them some specs? What would they need to know and who would they have to get into contact with? They are mirroring the Mandriva KDE updates. University of Waterloo. The university just announced last week

Re: [Mageia-dev] LibreOffice

2010-11-02 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-03 00:26, andre999 a écrit : Salut Marc : I'm down to start contributing as a packager for Mageia, so if I have the time I'll try packaging LibreOffice for Mandriva cooker. (It'll be the first time, but I've already installed the rpm building packages.) I've already been helping kil

Re: [Mageia-dev] LibreOffice

2010-11-02 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-02 11:48, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 09:55 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : I am a member of the Mageia marketing team and as well as a LibreOffice marketing team member. I have been asked to enquire if LibreOffice will be included in the Mageia distro and if

Re: [Mageia-dev] LibreOffice

2010-11-02 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-02 12:30, Hoyt Duff a écrit : On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Marc Paré wrote: I am a member of the Mageia marketing team and as well as a LibreOffice marketing team member. Thanks for any informtion. Merci Marc Paré Could you employ your marketing-fu and come up with a

[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice

2010-11-02 Thread Marc Paré
LibreOffice as its main office suite. Thanks for any informtion. Merci Marc Paré

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 14:16, Gustavo Giampaoli a écrit : 2010/10/20 Tux99: I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any other tracking method) have absolutely no place in a FOSS community OS. Only if the default option is "NOT" enabled and system asks the user "if he/she wa

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 04:26, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/10/18 Marc Paré: Thanks Michael for the note. This is why I am in favour of streamlining the reporting of bugs from the user side and not the dev. Devs should always count on seeing bugs reported on bugzilla and nothing more. However, on the

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 04:18, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Here's the result of the German community. After the initial opening of the poll there was a discussion with more than 40 postings, still going on. Involved were people actively using ArchLinux, members of our packaging team and interested users. Vo

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-17 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-17 15:28, atilla ontas a écrit : Hi. If you interested, Mandriva Turkiye Community poll ended about release cycle. Here are the results: *Exactly as Mandriva, 6 months release cycle 18.2% *Like OpenSuse, 8-9 months release cycle 13.6% *One release a year 31.8% * 6 months cycle

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-17 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-17 19:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le vendredi 15 octobre 2010 à 22:00 -0500, Fernando Parra a écrit : I am just coming back from my weekend, so I may have missed lots of discussion, but there is 2 points in your mail that I really wanted to address. The basic/novice user doesn't r

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-17 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-17 04:34, Tux99 a écrit : On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, David W. Hodgins wrote: I know enough c, perl, python, etc., that I can sometimes figure out where the problem is, (when submitting bug reports), but I don't know enough to put together rpm packages, or where to start, to learn how to do

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-16 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-16 18:35, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:29, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-16 12:36, Ahmad Samir a écrit : It's much better to help the user formulate a useful bug report, that's easier / more productive for all involved parties. There would b

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-16 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-16 16:08, Frederic Janssens a écrit : On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:52, Renaud MICHEL mailto:r.h.michel%2bmag...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think it may work if those "bug friends" (don't remember who proposed that name) only take for themselves the simple, one package, software

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-16 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-16 15:52, Renaud MICHEL a écrit : On samedi 16 octobre 2010 at 21:29, Marc Paré wrote : There would be no middle man. Once the middle-man could replicate the bug and verify the bug with other users, then the middle-man would submit to bugzilla. That's it. From there on, the m

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-16 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-16 12:36, Ahmad Samir a écrit : But generally reporting bugs by proxy is always a bad idea, unless the guy who'll play middle-man can reproduce the exact same bug on his own box. You see, triage team / package maintainer / dev will ask for info about the bug, more than once depending

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-16 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-16 02:56, Luca Berra a écrit : On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:00:14PM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote: The basic/novice user doesn't read anything, remove basic/novice from the sentence and i will agree ;) doesn't request anything to some like a bugzilla, but give him a forum and he proba

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-15 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-15 07:42, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/10/15 Anssi Hannula: Seems sensible to ask the mirror owners. It is possible some of them have not been aware of the problem at all, so I think we should make sure they understand that Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, etc. also contain patented technolo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 21:55, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/10/14 Marc Paré: So, it sounds to me, that a core group individual, should, as an official representative of the Mageia project, approach these organisations and FSF to check and to get advice/opinons. Just to make sure. Although I may not

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Questions about patents is related to which law applies to Mageia. No answers to which law then no clear policy can be applied. For me, since Mageia.org will lead the project (and will own Mageia trademarks) is located in France, since build system of Mageia will be in France then French law i

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 13:05, Tux99 a écrit : On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Maurice Batey wrote: However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my installation but at least one other Mandriva user). I would put this down to the f

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 12:42, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 18:32, Marc Paré wrote: Is there a dedicated mailist for the leaders of the different communities? It would probably make sense to have a closed list for them to coordinate projects such as polls, marketing, shari

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 10:50, nicolas vigier a écrit : On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who DON'T want them can still always disable them. If backports repo

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 10:56, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Tux99 wrote: I guess the old rule of polls applies: depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of the options you can hugely influence the results... This is so true. I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight (w

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 12:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 14 October 2010 17:04, Anssi Hannula wrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very comfortable for new and advanced users. Yes. It is available on M

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 11:02, Anssi Hannula a écrit : On Wednesday 13 October 2010 14:29:14 Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 12

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 10:29, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent proposal (be it in some way or the other) of what should be done, as well as defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, new, occasional, frequent, expert) for evaluation? Romain T

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 09:53, Tux99 a écrit : Just to add to my last post: It would be useful if users could disable specifc packages from being updated via the update GUI. What I mean is basically when new updates get presented (which would include new backports) the user could untick specific packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 09:57, Tux99 a écrit : Quote: marc wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:49 Is it me or is the poll different? The overall feeling on the Spanish Blogdrake is to "like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and backports" at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release cycle

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 09:08, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great data for the devs to consider. Marc This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 00:20, Tux99 a écrit : Quote: Fernando Parra wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 05:59 Sinner from the Prairy wrote: We should publicize more Backports. And I shall reply over and over again, backports isn't a solution, maybe it's a technical solution, but it isn't The Solution.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most definitely have second thoughts. Well, then you can simply be clear with them and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 14:44, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Wolfgang Bornath wrote: It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those "dumb" users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation process tell

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : == And DVDCSS, etc? What's in etc ? However, her

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 13:04, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/10/13 Marc Paré: Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the Mandriva documentation. However, it did fit the "at arm's length" legal definition of the installation of these pieces of software. That

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 12:14, herman a écrit : Le 2010-10-13 10:58, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 16:49:35, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: I think pre

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 10:58, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 16:49:35, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: I think pre-selected Country installs would just be

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 10:49, andré a écrit : Tux99 a écrit : On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, and even https support in any browser. Does that seems reasonable to you? You

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. Marc +1 My thoughts exactly

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 01:14, Tux99 a écrit : On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, and even https support in any browser. Does that seems reasonable to you? You need to face it,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : Marc, just as a further point to reflect on: there are countries in the world were encryption is illegal or severely restricted. According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, and even https support in any browser. Does that see

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-12 17:45, Tux99 a écrit : Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:31 The safest route is to offer FOSS software (they are well known and many have had their code audited) and leave the "fringe" softs on a repo that is left to the users' choice as install. Marc, FOSS has noth

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Paré
And why don't we affect specific packages to the country exactly like the localization is affected ? In France too the default install is certainly the choice of the educational establishments ... but in french FR_FR, not in EN_US. So, why not a pre-selection of certain kind of packages in the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-12 12:54, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit : Le 12/10/2010 18:42, Marc Paré a écrit : Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not installed but let users know where to get them, mostly

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-12 12:21, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit : Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit : I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible, it the user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if necessary uninstall anything unlicensed/illegal in his/her countr

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycle - what is actually POSSIBLE?

2010-10-09 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-09 03:57, Margot a écrit : There has been a lengthy debate about users' wishes for the Mageia release cycle, but one important voice has been missing from this debate: the collective voice of the devs who will be responsible for producing the releases. Before we start having polls and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-09 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-09 03:05, Margot a écrit : On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:15:18 -0400 andré wrote: Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-08 23:45, andré a écrit : Frank Griffin a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Thanks. So this thread is to see if there were a possibility to programme a more efficient roll-back

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-08 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-08 23:45, andré a écrit : Frank Griffin a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Thanks. So this thread is to see if there were a possibility to programme a more efficient roll-back option so that it would be more "aware" of the previous "dependencies" needs for the prev

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-08 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-08 16:32, Frank Griffin a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: So, in terms of space used for this, if you had to install all 6, would this tax the system so much and risk filling up the hardrive needlessly. Not really, since the old versions would be removed when the new ones were installed

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-08 Thread Marc Paré
Wherever this can be done, it usually is. Multiple versions of libraries can coexist in Linux, so if the new version requires new libraries, there's no conflict. The dependencies that cause problems are, for example, the situation where you can only have one of a certain service provider and

Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?

2010-10-08 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-08 09:46, Florian Hubold a écrit : Am 30.09.2010 12:34, schrieb Olivier Méjean: Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 12:19:43, Robert Xu a écrit : Is a survey necessary ? It's not really necessary. For example, in mandriva my laptop had no internet when booting the first time, as my wireless

Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?

2010-10-08 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-08 15:04, Tux99 a écrit : Quote: Florian Hubold wrote on Fri, 08 October 2010 15:46 What would be interesting is to count the mageia installations. Create a GUID for every system at install time, and then later on when internet is available, count the machine via this GUID. WDYT?

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-08 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-08 13:49, Frank Griffin a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: As it seems we keep going in circles on this Romain has arranged the following so that the threads on this topic become more focussed: I'd read the thread previously, and checked the wiki page, but this is a different issue.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 19:49, Frank Griffin a écrit : Part of the recent thread about what the desirable release cycle should be devolved into a discussion of how backports works and whether or not it's suitable. I'd like to examine this issue. The current urpmi repository architecture serves purposes t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 16:18, Renaud MICHEL a écrit : On jeudi 07 octobre 2010 at 09:15, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote : For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and browser. May be for others too Yep, konqueror is my filemanager, web browser, (s)ftp client and quick previewer

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 15:00, SinnerBOFH a écrit : On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Marc Paré wrote: P.S.: Buchan Milne, +1; you have your beverage of choice paid by me anytime you come to North Carolina Salut, Sinner +10 Yay! Can I come too now? Marc Sure. Get your penguin-darriere

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
P.S.: Buchan Milne, +1; you have your beverage of choice paid by me anytime you come to North Carolina Salut, Sinner +10 Yay! Can I come too now? Marc

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
To make it clearer, if the user wants to install oo-base at a later point with the currend Mdv model he would have to download 20MB if there has been no security updates since release, or 70MB if there has been a security update in the meantime. FYI, there is currently a discussion on the LibO

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 07:23, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 13:00:21, Marc Paré a écrit : I would challenge people to find a regular user who knew what the "Backport" option was for, you may find some but clearly, they would be in the minority. Otherwise, it would have

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 07:27, Oliver Burger a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb am 2010-10-07 Since I came to Mandriva from RedHat, I'm more used to Gnome. I've tried KDE; it take a lot more space, and Gnome suits me better. So evidently, I'd like Mageia to support both. But we still hav

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 04:03, Olivier Méjean a écrit : > > Actually, Mandriva did do this, but on a smaller scale, when installing > the ISO you got the the choice of desktop KDE, GNOME or personalized > (http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Installer_Mandriva_Free#Choix_du_bureau). > In the personalized secti

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
I saw that suggestion from somebody (in a post to this or the mageia-discuss list). Mandriva officially supports both KDE and Gnome, to my understanding. Since I came to Mandriva from RedHat, I'm more used to Gnome. I've tried KDE; it take a lot more space, and Gnome suits me better. So evidentl

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don't like dolphin for some reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don't work in dolphin if konqueror isn't installed). I usually use Konqueror as my ftp agent. It works flaw

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 05:36, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 11:20:04, Buchan Milne a écrit : The fact that almost no-one on this list seems to have known about backports at all doesn't mean that the backports feature is not useful, it may be that it wasn't accessible enough to end

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-07 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-07 04:55, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 07:34, Gustavo Giampaoli wrote: Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one "LTS" with three years of support? Regular releases every six months with 18 month support. But we could include this "ki

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-06 20:20, Kira a écrit : 在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:59:52 +0800, Marc Paré 寫道: I am not sure anymore, but I thought I had read somewhere that Mageia would be a KDE-centric distro "à la Mandriva", but still offer Gnome etc. if the user wished to install it. Someone? Marc N

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
school/university labs... etc. And even for personal use, not many would appreciate having to do an unanticipated reinstall or restore from backup. Particularly those who want to avoid upgrading their distro every 6 months. ;) Rolling distro, anyone ? - André (andre999) Romain suggest an a

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-06 20:02, vfmBOFH a écrit : 2010/10/7 Marc Paré mailto:m...@marcpare.com>> Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit : 2010/10/1 atilla ontas mailto:tarakbu...@gmail.com> <mailto:tarakbu...@gmail.com <mailto:tarak

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Hi all. At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about community preferences. We must k

Re: [Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-06 15:48, Florian Hubold a écrit : Am 29.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Ahmad Samir: On 29 September 2010 21:57, Michael Scherer wrote: On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 05:42:48 André Salaün wrote: OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Mageia ? we can have both packages :) -- Michael Scherer Nooo! unl

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-06 17:27, andré a écrit : Hoyt Duff a écrit : On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM, andré wrote: So far in simplified terms, for the "education" target, we have focus on school boards in US/Canada and Australia/New Zealand; focus on regional gov'ts in Germany. Here I mean focus in terms o

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Personally I use Gnome, so I would rather that Mageia would not become too KDE-centric. (Actually I use Mozilla Seamonkey instead of Mozilla Firefox, but that is another question.) If Kmail/Konqueror is installed by default, then the enormous KDE libraries must be installed, all of which I (or any

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit : 2010/10/1 atilla ontas mailto:tarakbu...@gmail.com>> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should make one release in one year. By doing so devs and t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Selecting an "Education based" install (which could be used with other software selections is what I had in mind. This could be called the "Education software group" (for want of a better name). Like that you don't need a special "Education" version, it's the same DVD for everyone. Of course, th

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Personally as a future Mageia packager I will try to concentrate on making backports (apart from maintaining some specific packages) so in a way I will be helping to make Mageia in practice a sort of 'light' rolling distro as suggested by a few people in this thread. But I just want to say that

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-05 Thread Marc Paré
However, changing to a "light" rolling distro would force other users, who don't necessarily want these updates (or, don't want to pay for all the bandwidth for these updates, because they are happy with the version they have) to download them. Other distros are now trying this model, only for

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