Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-11 Thread zezinho
Le samedi 11 février 2012 05:07:07, David Walser a écrit : Sticking to the ESR will mean less work for the distro, less stress for sysadmins, and less pain for users. It seems like an obvious choice. +1 Let's only face the speed at which we manage to build/test/push FF10 this days... there

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-09 Thread AL13N
On 9 February 2012 11:33, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt that we will lose any (or many) users interested in the latest version, as all distros will be faced with this time lag relative to upstream. I would suggests to stuck on cauldron to version 10.x and in mageia 1 too and

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-09 Thread Sander Lepik
09.02.2012 13:35, AL13N kirjutas: ihmo, the users who want the latest versions will not even wait one week, and will grab them from upstream. If we really wanted the latest release, someone could backport them. And backports work since what time? the end users will benefit too, because the

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-09 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op donderdag 09 februari 2012 13:04:00 schreef Sander Lepik: 09.02.2012 13:35, AL13N kirjutas: ihmo, the users who want the latest versions will not even wait one week, and will grab them from upstream. If we really wanted the latest release, someone could backport them. And backports

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-07 Thread andre999
Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 06 februari 2012 08:50:21 schreef Sander Lepik: 06.02.2012 09:38, Funda Wang kirjutas: And, don't forget, we still have a package named firefox-beta. If we stick with FF10, then some day we will come to a situation of firefox-10.0.4 and

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-06 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op maandag 06 februari 2012 08:50:21 schreef Sander Lepik: 06.02.2012 09:38, Funda Wang kirjutas: And, don't forget, we still have a package named firefox-beta. If we stick with FF10, then some day we will come to a situation of firefox-10.0.4 and firefox-beta-15b1 for Mageia 2, which is

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-05 Thread Funda Wang
I would suggest another support policy. * For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR. * For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-05 Thread Sander Lepik
06.02.2012 04:07, Funda Wang kirjutas: I would suggest another support policy. * For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR. * For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0,

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-05 Thread D.Morgan
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee wrote: 06.02.2012 04:07, Funda Wang kirjutas: I would suggest another support policy. * For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR. * For released distros, we

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-05 Thread Funda Wang
Then we will have 13.0, 14.0, 15.0, 16.0, 17.0, 17.0.1, 17.0.2 for Mageia 2. Personally, as an average user, I tend to delete system FF 10, if there is FF13 elsewhere. I'm afraid most users think the same. Of course, I could be wrong. 在 2012-2-6 下午3:03,Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee写道:

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-05 Thread Funda Wang
The key is, we always have the latest series of supported product line from upstream, neither latest version nor latest supported version. And, such an update policy is based on the imagination of 70% of Mageia 2 users will upgrade to Mageia 3 immediately when released. 在 2012-2-6 上午10:07,Funda

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-05 Thread Funda Wang
And, don't forget, we still have a package named firefox-beta. If we stick with FF10, then some day we will come to a situation of firefox-10.0.4 and firefox-beta-15b1 for Mageia 2, which is unacceptable. Or, we should make an exception on firefox-beta, it should be obsoleted by updated firefox

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-02-05 Thread Sander Lepik
06.02.2012 09:38, Funda Wang kirjutas: And, don't forget, we still have a package named firefox-beta. If we stick with FF10, then some day we will come to a situation of firefox-10.0.4 and firefox-beta-15b1 for Mageia 2, which is unacceptable. Or, we should make an exception on firefox-beta,

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-15 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 15.01.2012 01:43, schrieb Luc Menut: Le 13/01/2012 02:22, D.Morgan a écrit : On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Maarten Vanraesal...@rmail.be wrote: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-14 Thread andre999
Luc Menut a écrit : Le 13/01/2012 02:22, D.Morgan a écrit : On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Maarten Vanraesal...@rmail.be wrote: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread D.Morgan
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sander Lepik sander.le...@eesti.ee wrote: 13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png ESR

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Claire Robinson
On 13/01/12 09:36, nicolas vigier wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Sander Lepik wrote: 13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2012 à 11:21 +, Claire Robinson a écrit : On 13/01/12 09:36, nicolas vigier wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Sander Lepik wrote: 13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Claire Robinson
On 13/01/12 11:37, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 13 janvier 2012 à 11:21 +, Claire Robinson a écrit : On 13/01/12 09:36, nicolas vigier wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Sander Lepik wrote: 13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: see

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Evans
From: Claire Robinson m...@gmail.com To: mageia-dev@mageia.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases On 13/01/12 11:37, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 13

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 13 janvier 2012 à 05:13 -0800, Chris Evans a écrit : This really doesn't make sense. The browser is our interface to the internet. I (as a user) feel a need to have the latest version of my browser complete with all security patches. What do you think that a long supported

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread andre999
Chris Evans a écrit : *From:* Claire Robinson m...@gmail.com *To:* mageia-dev@mageia.org *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 6:45 AM *Subject:* Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Jeff Robins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:00 AM, andre999 andre999...@laposte.net wrote: Wait. A long-term release version is kept updated for bugs, particularly security bugs, but doesn't add new features. Since it doesn't add new features, it is less likely to introduce new bugs, and so would be more

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Sander Lepik
13.01.2012 23:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: look at the picture for the support period, the 1y warranteed versions cross over for 2 or 3 months so it's going to fit for as long as we have 9m release schedule 9m release schedule, but aren't we giving support for 18m? -- Sander

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op vrijdag 13 januari 2012 22:34:39 schreef Sander Lepik: 13.01.2012 23:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: look at the picture for the support period, the 1y warranteed versions cross over for 2 or 3 months so it's going to fit for as long as we have 9m release schedule 9m release

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Jeff Robins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: Op vrijdag 13 januari 2012 20:59:19 schreef Jeff Robins: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:00 AM, andre999 andre999...@laposte.net wrote: Wait. A long-term release version is kept updated for bugs, particularly security

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op vrijdag 13 januari 2012 23:10:53 schreef Jeff Robins: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: Op vrijdag 13 januari 2012 20:59:19 schreef Jeff Robins: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:00 AM, andre999 andre999...@laposte.net wrote: Wait. A long-term

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Jeff Robins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: your logic is flawed Yes it was. When I read the text I was thinking of a new FF ESR every year, with an extra 2-3months of support, after the new one is released. The graphic makes it pretty clear that it's a new FF

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zaterdag 14 januari 2012 01:10:48 schreef Jeff Robins: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: your logic is flawed Yes it was. When I read the text I was thinking of a new FF ESR every year, with an extra 2-3months of support, after the new one is

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-13 Thread Jeff Robins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: Op zaterdag 14 januari 2012 01:10:48 schreef Jeff Robins: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: your logic is flawed Yes it was. When I read the text I was thinking of a new FF

[Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-12 Thread Maarten Vanraes
see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png ESR is a 1y extended supported release... looking at the image we'd be having supported versions for our 9month release schedule

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-12 Thread D.Morgan
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png ESR is a 1y extended supported release... looking at

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-12 Thread Sander Lepik
13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png ESR is a 1y extended supported release... looking at the image we'd be having