not surprised, given that I
don't personally grok the Python.org style. I'm not offended, just
aware that my patches are unlikely to be useful in this effort.
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well known issue in it.
Anyway, I'm done.
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they have applied to prevent backscatter. I am
notifying the known mailman sites within our network. We are done with
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Jo Rhett wrote:
Not all bounces are backscatter. My servers all deliver DSNs to the
sender. My servers don't send backscatter.
On Tue, March 25, 2008 6:59 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote:
So now we're back to my original question. Under what circumstances is
it acceptable for an MTA to accept
Jo Rhett wrote:
I don't care what is done. Do something that makes it better.
On Tue, March 25, 2008 9:12 pm, Dale Newfield wrote:
This is an open source project. You are welcome to use it as is or
modify it to your liking. (I believe--someone confirm, please) you even
have the right
explicit matches and PASS.
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of large ISPs. This kind of response just makes me think I'm
wasting my time.
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--On 24 March 2008 18:07:29 -0700 Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry, as stated your proposal sounds either naive or insane. No
insult intended.
On Wed, March 26, 2008 3:07 am, Ian Eiloart wrote:
Please, think harder about what you write to the list. If you left an
insult in there that you
-open SPF
records, and right or wrong those people will still report
backscatter to the blacklists.
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in person. It
has been raised even in the print press. This whole you didn't make
us aware of this problem approach you are taking here is... got no
good words for this without being rude.
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we do.
Hyperbole like this wastes everyone's time.
I don't care what is done. Do something that makes it better.
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know of has done store and forward since the mid
90s. It defeats most spam control methods.
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megabytes of main memory in 1992.
It's not a hard problem, and *every* modern mail system handles this
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On Mar 25, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Eino Tuominen wrote:
You are missing the point. Of course you can inform of a delivery
problem, but only when you really need to do it.
That's not what Jo Rhett seems to be saying at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2008
. Mail, like
The Internet of 1990, yes, you're right. I was there. By 1993
everyone was already changing course, and by 1997 the Internet you're
talking about didn't exist any more. Move along.
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not forget
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a campaing forging sender addresses to look like
ours. All the backscatter that is not absolutely necessary is evil.
Not all bounces are backscatter. My servers all deliver DSNs to the
sender. My servers don't send backscatter.
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checker into LMTP so that if
your MTA supports LMTP delivery the following can happen:
worldwildwonderland - SMTP - MM's LMTP - rule checks
That sounds like exactly the right solution. When do you think MM3
will be reasonable to use in production?
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On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
You see, as Jo Rhett points out (apparently without understanding), it
will have *no noticable effect* in the short run because *the proposed
change won't affect existing Mailman installations*, not even those
that upgrade to 2.1.10.
I
held.
Nobody in an abuse department receives complaints about mailman
servers which are holding their mail. No blacklists exist for
mailman servers that hold mail.
As long as the server doesn't send back a message about it being
Held, doesn't matter in this context.
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On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Kenneth Porter wrote:
On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:30 PM -0800 Jo Rhett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Don't create backscatter aliases for subscribe/unsubscribe/etc by
default. Nearly everyone uses web based signup.
2. Discard or hold messages from non
-mm.py?
req=showfile=faq01.027.htp
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--On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:30 PM -0800 Jo Rhett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Don't create backscatter aliases for subscribe/unsubscribe/etc by
default. Nearly everyone uses web based signup.
On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Kenneth Porter wrote:
Here's the list of valid actions from mm
an MX that queues mail for someone else and isn't
configured to properly deal with DSNs, then yes, you are stuck in the
20th century.
And yes, if your MX host was on our network (and sending DSNs to
forged senders) we'd ask you to shut it down. (ask in non-optional
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2.2, then we're
going to put Mailman in the same bin as qmail and say that using it
is a violation of the AUP.
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different blacklists. RTFM
backscatter
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Jo Rhett writes:
Hi. There's a fairly simple problem here that needs to be
addressed. And it's mostly a documentation/install problem. I'm
hoping we can get this resolved before the next release.
On Mar 4, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Which next release? 2.1.10, which
in
Mailman 2.2.
Of course we object to DSNs from MTAs. No shipping mailserver
currently sends DSNs to accepted mail by default. Most of them
haven't for like 10 years. And yes, we absolutely ban qmail from use
unless the person patches it to the moon to solve its problems.
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