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[Mailman-Users] Re: spamming

2023-12-13 Thread Jim Dory


On 12/13/23 17:07, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 12/13/23 17:48, Jim Dory wrote:


My bad.. rather than Bad Request error (oiy, my memory), the actual error when 
enabling the RECAPTCHA strings is this:


    Bug in Mailman version 


  We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has 
been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs or the web server logs.


So I looked in the mailman logs - I see several logs but the error one did not have any entry from today. Not sure 
where I would find a pertinent log such as the "web server logs" in the page error above.


The error and traceback should be in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/error. Is that where you're looking? If 
you can't find it there, there might be a permissions error.


All of the cgi wrappers in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin should be SETGID and group mailman and all the 
files in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/ should be group writable and group mailman.


There may be cPanel specifics affecting this that I am unaware of, but see 
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel


If all else fails you can edit 
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver and set `STEALTH_MODE = 0`


So I believe the cgi-bin files are correct - though it is a bit disturbing 
since they are highlighted in Red in my terminal.

ls -la cgi-bin/
total 316
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman  4096 Feb  6  2023 .
drwxrwsr-x 19 mailman mailman  4096 Dec 13 16:17 ..
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 admin
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 admindb
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 confirm
--  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 create
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 edithtml
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 listinfo
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 options
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 private
--  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 rmlist
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 roster
-rwsr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 25705 Aug 30  2022 subscribe

The logs are as you say. The /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/error log 
still nothing for today. Things like:


Dec 03 13:14:26 2023 (68081) private: No such list "xmlrpc.php":

Dec 03 13:14:34 2023 (68083) private: No such list "xmlrpc.php":

Dec 12 07:44:10 2023 (51139) private: No such list "xmlrpc.php":

Dec 12 07:44:10 2023 (51140) listinfo: No such list "xmlrpc.php":
Dec 12 07:44:11 2023 (51141) private: No such list "xmlrpc.php":

Dec 12 07:44:11 2023 (51144) listinfo: No such list "xmlrpc.php":

I checked the link you provided and got my hopes up when I saw one guy with a fix for my particular webpage error - but 
it didn't affect anything when I tried it.


So I'll keep poking around.

Jim

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[Mailman-Users] Re: spamming

2023-12-13 Thread Jim Dory

On 12/13/23 12:08, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 12/13/23 10:00, Jim Dory wrote:

As for listinfo.html, I see 2 pertinent files. on under ../en/templates (this list is just english) and under
../lists/[name of our list]/ . The templates version includes a few lines of captcha which the lists version doesn't.
Here's a snippet of the templates version:

This is your problem. You have a list specific version of the listinfo.html template in
lists/listname/en/listinfo.html which was probably created on an older version before the captchas were implemented.

You need to diff lists/listname/en/listinfo.html with templates/en/listinfo.html. Part of the diff will be the absence
of the

tags in lists/listname/en/listinfo.html which need to be added. If that's the only diff, you can simply remove
lists/listname/en/listinfo.html and fall back to the default, but if you had local changes in
lists/listname/en/listinfo.html, you probably want to keep those and just add the missing captcha tags.

However, the only issue from those missing tags should be an inability to subscribe via the listinfo page. It
shouldn't affect login to the admin or admindb pages and it shouldn't cause a Bad Request error. If after fixing the
template, you still can't log in, We would like to see the full traceback from Mailman's logs/error log.

It's possible this is a cPanel issue.

Thank you Mark,

My bad.. rather than Bad Request error (oiy, my memory), the actual error when
enabling the RECAPTCHA strings is this:

Bug in Mailman version

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs or the web server logs.

So I looked in the mailman logs - I see several logs but the error one did not have any entry from today. Not sure where
I would find a pertinent log such as the "web server logs" in the page error above.

What I tried was to hide the lists/[list-name]/en/listinfo.html and replace with the one in templates. I tried without
replacing the hidden one first (without yet enacting the RECAPTCHA strings) just to see if the webpage listinfo would
load. It did - then tried by replacing it with the templates file, and it also loaded fine. Then I added the RECAPTCHA
in the cfg file and that broke the web pages.

I did diff the two listinfo files and it seemed there were just too many differences - practically the whole files.. for
me to grok. The listinfo file in the lists directory (rather than templates directory) is probably very old. I started
the list I think around 2008 (at least that's how far back for the archives), though I did change server once or twice
so not sure if it would have carried along.

So I'm stuck.. I did look in the mailman/logs/subscribe file and boy - lots of nasty spamming going on there. Sure would
like to resolve this - might be time to go for the OS upgrade and maybe a try at Mailman v3.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: spamming

2023-12-13 Thread Jim Dory

On 12/13/23 01:04, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Jim Dory writes:

  > I've started getting these spamming attacks again so thought I
  > would dive into trying this recaptcha. I got the keys for V2
  > recaptcha from google and put the 2 lines at the bottom of the
  > mm_cfg.py with proper keys from google. Spelling double
  > checked. After saving the file, I can't log into the web interface
  > of mailman - I get a Bad Request error page. I commented out the
  > RECAPTCHA_*_* lines and could then access the admin web pages
  > again.

There's a lot missing here.

1.  What version of what operating system are you using?
 Ubuntu and Debian are likely to require some hoop-jumping to get
 the needed software installed.
2.  What version of Python are you using?
3.  What version of Mailman are you using?
 If it's recent enough, the listinfo.* pages will include a tag
 "" which does all the heavy lifting for you.
4.  How did you install Mailman?  Preinstalled on a cPanel host, from
 the OS, from source in a virtual environment, other from source?

  > web admin pages. What would I add and to which files? I don't see
  > list_info under  /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/ .

Try `find /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman -name 'listinfo.*'`
and you should see a bunch of them.  Most likely you are only
interested in
 /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/templates/en/listinfo.html
and maybe the .txt version of that file if it exists, but if you offer
other languages to your users, you may need to deal with the
$TWO_LETTER_LANGUAGE_CODE/listinfo.* versions for those languages.

Thank you Stephen. Apologies for being vague.

I did find the listinfo.html file yesterday - I hadn't ever altered that 
particular file directly.

1. CentOS v7.9.2009 STANDARD kvm, cPanel Version 110.0.17. I need to upgrade the OS AlmaLinux 8 by this summer. as 
CentOS (and the cPanel version) is deprecated. Would do it now but afraid of mucking things up. I'm just a volunteer and 
do this for the community - not an expert by any means.

2, Python 2.7.5

3. Mailman 2.1.39

4. Mailman installed by host. I'm on a vps with root access.

As for listinfo.html, I see 2 pertinent files. on under ../en/templates (this list is just english) and under 
../lists/[name of our list]/ . The templates version includes a few lines of captcha which the lists version doesn't. 
Here's a snippet of the templates version:

[snip] 
     No
      Yes

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[Mailman-Users] Re: spamming

2023-12-12 Thread Jim Dory

On 10/24/23 06:04, David L. Dewey wrote:

Quoting Jim Dory (ja...@dorydesign.com):

On 10/23/23 17:38, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2023, dde...@cyberthugs.com wrote:

Implementing the google captcha solution to Mailman a week or so ago stopped it
dead. For now...

Hi Jim,

Interesting, and thanks for posting.

Can you please describe, briefly, as an overview only, what that interface is
like?

I'm sure I can look up details, but, well, "details matter!" (And
I don't mean the nitty gritty of installation or whatever.) I'm
interested in implementation overview in how that relates to the
user's experience - I already know what 'captcha' is like! We're
talking web interface details, right?

Thanks,
Richard

Hello Richard,

It was ddewey that mentioned the captcha. I am interested in
implementing it and googled it - found things from about 10 years
ago, and mailman post from 2017. I have mailman version 2.1.39 on a
VPS hosted server (with WHM and CPanel) with root privileges, though
not sure I have the chutzpa to install it. Could give it a try I
suppose.

The mailman post was
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-December/082820.html

for 2.1.39 (same as I'm running) it's built-in. No need to install
any python modules (I didn't, on a RHEL 7 instance).

Apply for the (very important) v2 captcha keys from Google. Add the
following 2 keys to the end of your mm_cfg.py:
RECAPTCHA_SITE_KEY =
RECAPTCHA_SECRET_KEY = xxx

If you have not modified your list_info files, you're done. If you
have, then you'll need to add the tags from that above post to your
list_info files.

I've started getting these spamming attacks again so thought I would dive into trying this recaptcha. I got the keys for
V2 recaptcha from google and put the 2 lines at the bottom of the mm_cfg.py with proper keys from google. Spelling
double checked. After saving the file, I can't log into the web interface of mailman - I get a Bad Request error page. I
commented out the RECAPTCHA_*_* lines and could then access the admin web pages again.

David wrote that if I modified the list_info files then I needed to add something to them. As far as modifying them, I
did add a paragraph description to the "Details for info" and the description under the General Options section of the
web admin pages. What would I add and to which files? I don't see list_info under
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/ .

Any advice? thanks, Jim

[Mailman-Users] Re: spamming

2023-10-23 Thread Jim Dory


On 10/23/23 17:38, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote:


On Mon, 23 Oct 2023, dde...@cyberthugs.com wrote:

..


Implementing the google captcha solution to Mailman a week or so ago stopped it 
dead. For now...


Hi Jim,

Interesting, and thanks for posting.

Can you please describe, briefly, as an overview only, what that interface is 
like?

I'm sure I can look up details, but, well, "details matter!" (And I don't mean the nitty gritty of installation or 
whatever.) I'm interested in implementation overview in how that relates to the user's experience - I already know 
what 'captcha' is like! We're talking web interface details, right?


Thanks,
Richard


Hello Richard,

It was ddewey that mentioned the captcha. I am interested in implementing it and googled it - found things from about 10 
years ago, and mailman post from 2017. I have mailman version 2.1.39 on a VPS hosted server (with WHM and CPanel) with 
root privileges, though not sure I have the chutzpa to install it. Could give it a try I suppose.


The mailman post was 
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-December/082820.html

Jim

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[Mailman-Users] spamming

2023-10-23 Thread Jim Dory

I've got a new problem with my mailing list. I run a local announcements/trade list that should be of no interest to
non-locals.

I started seeing warnings from Yahoo about users marking messages as spam.. (I'm subscribed to Yahoo's Antispam
Feedback. I never got other feedback loops from others - like Microsoft - to work). The messages that were being marked
as spam by users were the confirmation emails sent by mailman to confirm a signup. To avoid having Yahoo shut down the
list as spam (for its subscribers), I set the subscription to be approved by admin, so I could review who was trying to
sign up.

More and more now I'm seeing what appears to be spammers trying to subscribe,
but I can't be sure. I'm seeing emails like:

hirofeet0...@yahoo.co.jp (doesn't seem local)
blvckp...@gmail.com(not many use user names such as that)
fsafwcasgsa...@gwqc.com (obviously not real - couldn't find domain with
minimal searching)

Plus some that could be local but how would I know.

I could take off the "approval by admin" for subscription and just deal with
anyone that is a problem afterward, but I do worry that they may be harvesting emails
from subscribers, which are available in the reply-to headers.

Don't know if there's anything I can do. Anyone else dealing with this?

thanks. Jim

[Mailman-Users] Re: Yahoo blocking their emails

2023-03-09 Thread Jim Dory


On 3/9/23 16:54, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 3/9/23 11:24, annette carter wrote:

Please help. Where do I go to stop Yahoo and all of it's associated ISPs from 
blacklisting my subscribers, please?


See these FAQ articles:

https://wiki.list.org/x/17891458
https://wiki.list.org/x/17891477
https://wiki.list.org/x/4030690

Yahoo is the one that blacklists us the most, lately. I have created a feedback loop with them ala the last wiki Mark 
listed. So they send me an email alerting me when a member marks a message or digest as spam. I can then find the email 
address of the offender by looking at that email headers, and then send them a friendly message about how not to mark 
things as spam or ask if they would like to be unsubscribed. Most mark messages as spam by mistake (according to them).


Of course the first 2 wikis are important to do first.

jd

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[Mailman-Users] Re: User receiving mail, but not subscribed

2021-08-17 Thread Jim Dory

On 8/16/21 8:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

One thing you can do is enable VERP. Assuming this in Mailman 2.1 since this list is for Mailman 2.1, you enable VERP
by putting

VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1

in mm_cfg.py. This will change the envelope sender (the bounces address) from

listname-boun...@domain.com>

listname-bounces+user=example@domain.com>

where replacing the '=' in user=example.com gives the recipient's address.

The other thing you can do is just look at all the digest members of the list. If there aren't too many, you may be
able to figure out which it is. use Mailman's

bin/list_members -d -f listname

to get a list of digest members with their 'real name' if available.

Otherwise, as you note, if you can get her to send you the raw message headers, you may be able to get the address
from the Received: headers.

Great Mark, will try that VERP trick. She is out of the office for the rest of
the week so will have to wait and see.

There's over 1500 subscribers so probably best to search on her corporation's domain - that may return maybe around a
couple dozen or so - rather than digest subscribers which are probably a ton.

thanks, Jim

[Mailman-Users] Re: User receiving mail, but not subscribed

2021-08-16 Thread Jim Dory


On 8/16/21 11:10 AM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

On 8/16/2021 10:30 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
I've asked her to run it by the IT department of her corporation, but thought I would ask here in case there is 
something I need to do instead. I thought that the "on behalf of listname-requ...@domain.com" was pretty unusual, or 
something I don't usually see anyway.


Sounds like a microsoft exchange/outlook thing- the "on behalf of" part. Could be they have an internal list that's 
subscribed to the MM list, or that the MM list member is a secretary/assistant of the final recipient.


If you can, the the full SMTP headers and look at the top/most-recent Received: 
lines; that'll show the handoff-

(the message I'm replying to)
Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [188.166.95.178])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
(No client certificate requested)
by host.hosting.service (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1FA6487B1
for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 15:01:50 -0400 (EDT)

See who it's for in there.



Thanks for the reply. I had her forward the digest message to me, and it appears she did because the subject line says: 
FWD: listname Digest vol.  . She did add a bit of text to the forward explaining it was from her work email. So 
headers in the source view prior to her text just show received from her to me. After her little bit of text, it just 
has the From, Subject, To lines as one sees when receiving any message and then the digest text. So no headers to 
inspect. Perhaps if I could have her view the digest source and copy/paste it to me, that might be revealing. I'll see 
if she can do that. I'll have to google how to view source in MS Exchange.


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[Mailman-Users] Re: User receiving mail, but not subscribed

2021-08-16 Thread Jim Dory


On 8/16/21 11:34 AM, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote:


When I’ve gotten these in the past it’s almost always because someone else’s 
email, or an old email address is getting forwarded to the recipient. I don’t 
think the 'on behalf of’ stuff is actually from an O365/Exchange system, but 
whatever that linkprotect link is.

(which link, btw, my campus network won’t let me load because it’s flagged as a 
malware source…so be careful)



I clicked on the link trusting my linux system would catch malware usually targeting windows, and it redirects to our MM 
list page. I'll make sure this person contacts her IT dept. to try and figure this out. Thanks for the reply!   /jim


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[Mailman-Users] User receiving mail, but not subscribed

2021-08-16 Thread Jim Dory

I suspect this stems from something inside this local corporation, but I'll ask
the question:

I have a person contacting me to remove her work email from our subscription of our local email list, but her email is
not subscribed. Usually when this happens, I have them forward a list message to me and I can discover which email it is
being sent to.

Usually the messages sent are from "name of subscriber via"listn...@domain.com. (She gets the digest which I don't so
not sure that is different). But when she forwards me one of these digest messages, it is from: "Listname
on behalf of listname-requ...@domain.com "

And instead of the usual listn...@domain.com unsubscribe,archives,info link at the bottom of the message, it has what is
probably an internal security link by the IT system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?
...
(with the actual link following - and redirects to our info page). This may not help, but include it to show they have
some kind of system within the corporation.

I've asked her to run it by the IT department of her corporation, but thought I would ask here in case there is
something I need to do instead. I thought that the "on behalf of listname-requ...@domain.com" was pretty unusual, or
something I don't usually see anyway.

thanks, Jim

[Mailman-Users] Re: unwanted auto removal of subscribers

2021-03-18 Thread Jim Dory

On 3/18/21 12:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 3/18/21 12:35 PM, Jim Dory wrote:

Anyway - after 3 weeks of no bounces, I just got a bunch of GCI email
users automatically unsubscribed from the list, with this message:

"... has been removed from Nome-announce. (disabled address)"

My bounce score threshold is set at 50.0, and the
bounce_info_stale_after is 4. Number of days bounce-you-are-disabled is
7. So I know it has been more than a week since any bounces. I'm
wondering about this - if I have a setting wrong, or what.

Once delivery is disabled by bounce, the score and threshold are
irrelevant the user will be sent `bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings` at
intervals of `bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval` and after
`bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings` *
`bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval` days, if they haven't
re-enabled their delivery, will be removed.

If there were no bounces for 3 weeks, presumably they received at least
some warnings (which may have gone to spam) but didn't respond.

Thanks Mark! I double checked the last spam bounces and it was exactly 2 weeks ago for the last bounces. But I didn't
realize users would be sent emails from the list that they would need to respond to. Some subscribers can barely manage
email, so stands to reason they wouldn't know what to do. it was only about 15 that were unsubscribed out of maybe 80
that use that email provider. Thanks for the explanation. /jd

[Mailman-Users] unwanted auto removal of subscribers

2021-03-18 Thread Jim Dory

I have been having a difficult time with our local ISP GCI marking messages of our subscriber list as spam for the last
couple years. I was finally able to get through to them and get the spam block removed a month ago. They have a
contractor that does their email so I have to go through a tech support guy that otherwise can't help. So for the last
month, or perhaps 3 weeks, they have not blocked messages to their email users as spam.

The reason for the blocks they say is that they get regular spam notices from users. I suppose this could be as
innocuous as a user deleting messages that wound up in a spam folder. I've tried to educate the users not to do that or
to mark messages as spam, but perhaps someone just doesn't care or understand, or is cranky. GCI does not provide
feedback on when messages get marked as spam as Yahoo does (and perhaps hotmail..) as I do get an occasional feedback
notice from Yahoo on who has marked a message as spam, and I can then touch base with that user.

Anyway - after 3 weeks of no bounces, I just got a bunch of GCI email users automatically unsubscribed from the list,
with this message:

"... has been removed from Nome-announce. (disabled address)"

My bounce score threshold is set at 50.0, and the bounce_info_stale_after is 4. Number of days bounce-you-are-disabled
is 7. So I know it has been more than a week since any bounces. I'm wondering about this - if I have a setting wrong, or
what.

thx, Jim

[Mailman-Users] Re: mail delivery failed on my email [SOLVED]

2021-03-03 Thread Jim Dory

Ok, I started a ticket with the hosting service and they found a misconfigure in the mail routing. I'm not exactly clear 
on the issue but since the server name has changed a few times and we migrated it once or twice - plus my inexperience - 
something got borked. Here is what the tech guy said:



It seems your mail is being routed via SpamExperts with the destination set to your Cloud server. Can you please confirm 
that you are using your cloud server to host your mail box for the domain 'nomekennelclub.com'.


I have now corrected the MX record for the domain 'nomekennelclub.com' and the mail should now be routed to your domain 
'nomekennelclub.com' under your cloud server. Please retry sending the mail now and let us know if the issue persist.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: mail delivery failed on my email

2021-03-02 Thread Jim Dory


On 3/2/21 7:46 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 3/2/21 5:10 PM, Jim Dory wrote:

   I just tried to send a
message and got this:

"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com generated by
nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com local delivery failed"

Others can post and I subscribed a different email address and can post
using that. Just not my administrative email. I recently had removed my
account from Gmail and set it up in Thunderbird, so I'm wondering if
that could be the issue.


So the exim router and transport are working, it's just that the pipe to
post to the list fails when you are the sender.

Since you have server access, look in Mailman's logs in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/ (particularly, `error`) for an
error message relating to this.



so the issue is not in delivery, but why the pipe fails. There should be
info in Mailman's error log.


Thanks Mark.

I did look in the error log and and it appeared there was no error. The last date in the error log was Feb. 20. There is 
a reference to "broken pipe" back in October.:


Oct 03 22:45:44 2020 admin(13150): 
admin(13150): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.33 -]
admin(13150): [- Traceback --]
admin(13150): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(13150):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 
118, in run_main
admin(13150): sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue())
admin(13150): IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
admin(13150): [- Python Information -]
admin(13150): sys.version =   2.7.5 (default, Apr  2 2020, 13:16:51)
[GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)]
admin(13150): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python2
admin(13150): sys.prefix  =   /usr
admin(13150): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(13150): sys.path    = ['/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pyzor-1.0.0-py2.7.egg', 
'/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/pythonlib', '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman', 
'/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts', '/usr/lib64/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7', 
'/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', 
'/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages', 
'/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages', 
'/usr/lib/site-python']

admin(13150): sys.platform    =   linux2
admin(13150): [- Environment Variables -]
admin(13150):   HTTP_COOKIE: 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com+user+d_ellanna--at--hotmail.com=2802006912ff785f73280031373166366237343232393663373661326362613365616137323033353365646164393830653439

admin(13150):   SERVER_NAME: nomekennelclub.com
admin(13150):   REMOTE_ADDR: 67.59.109.98
admin(13150):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman
admin(13150):   REMOTE_PORT: 52596
admin(13150):   REQUEST_SCHEME: http
admin(13150):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/private
admin(13150):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(13150):   HTTP_HOST: nomekennelclub.com
admin(13150):   PATH_INFO: 
/nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com/2020-September.txt.gz
admin(13150):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(13150):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(13150):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(13150):   REQUEST_URI: 
/mailman/private/nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com/2020-September.txt.gz
admin(1315

I hadn't logged into the server in awhile and today when I did it updated CPanel from version 92 up to 94, and did some 
server updates with a reboot. I tried again but no luck after that. Time was set to Africa so I changed it back to 
Anchorage. But no effect on my issue.


I looked in all the logs and saw nothing. Under the subscribe log at least was my email with "pending", though probably 
waiting for the confirm email to expire, since it wouldn't accept that confirmation.

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[Mailman-Users] mail delivery failed on my email

2021-03-02 Thread Jim Dory

I manage a list through CPanel v. 94.0.2 and I also have server access (from our paid host). Mailman v.2.1.33-2.cp1186.  
I just tried to send a message and got this:


"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The 
following address(es) failed: pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com generated by nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com local delivery failed"


Others can post and I subscribed a different email address and can post using that. Just not my administrative email. I 
recently had removed my account from Gmail and set it up in Thunderbird, so I'm wondering if that could be the issue.


I found a similar post somewhere from way back that said to issue the command /usr/local/cpanel/scripts/fixmailman , 
which I did but no with effect.


I've been poking around and under /usr/local/cpanel/3rdpartymailman/locks are 2 
files (but none ending in .lock:
master-qrunner
master-qrunner.cloud.nomekennelclub.com.748

(I unsubscribed my email and tried to resubscribe but got the same error when 
replying to the confirmation email.

I see there is a /usr/local/cpanel/3rdpartymailman/scripts/check_perms script that someone wayback when said run as 
./check_perms -f but I would like to hear if that is smart or not.


If I cat /etc/valiases/nomekennelclub.com I get:

ab...@nomekennelclub.com: @gmail.com
n...@nomekennelclub.com: nomekennelc...@gmail.com
nome-announce-ad...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman admin 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"



nome-announce-subscr...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"
nome-announce-unsubscr...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"

nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman 
post nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"
owner-nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com: nome-announce-ad...@nomekennelclub.com
postmas...@nomekennelclub.com: @gmail.com
r...@nomekennelclub.com: @gmail.com
*: ja...@dorydesign.com


That last email is the problem one.

thx

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Re: [Mailman-Users] msg marked as spam 554 5.7.1 [P4]

2020-01-06 Thread Jim Dory

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 7:21 PM Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

>
>  I'd need to see that
> message's full header to debug that fully, but it sounds like GCI is
> generally not doing a great job here.
>
>
>
Ok - just for curiosity sake, here is full header. I've 'ed out
names.  But Bruce and Stephen are probably correct in that I need to
contact GCI. I will also put out a request to subscribers of our list to
ask that people don't mark these messages as spam. I have done this in the
past probably to no avail.. what helps there is getting on email providers'
feedback loops where I've been able to solve yahoo.com user problems. But I
haven't found one with GCI.

For clarity, I have my email address set as admin that is my own domain
hosted on Hawkhost. It is POP3'd to gmail, so that's the first part of the
header where gmail gets involved. The list is
nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com (the kennelclub just lets us use their
domain), also on Hawkhost, who uses arandomserver.com as their DNS server,
I believe.  Alaskan.com is a GCI.net domain, as well as a few others. GCI
is the one blocking these messages from the city to its subscribers. The
city domain is nomealaska.org .

Delivered-To: @gmail.com
Received: by 2002:ac8:4912:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id e18csp19003587qtq;
Fri, 3 Jan 2020 11:56:18 -0800 (PST)
X-Google-Smtp-Source:
APXvYqwk2NggdPGoR1J3DEcdLZMVhDU2UAjEn8UBHjRZFns/bzyDwsAyaLWiml3ZpNgU9VgmRWhOKdATxXI=
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:d86:: with SMTP id
s6mr59784558qti.237.1578081378216;
Fri, 03 Jan 2020 11:56:18 -0800 (PST)
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
   spf=neutral (google.com: 198.252.100.64 is neither permitted nor
denied by best guess record for domain of
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com)
smtp.mailfrom=
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 198.252.100.64 is neither permitted nor
denied by best guess record for domain of
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com)
client-ip=198.252.100.64;
Received: by 2002:ac8:7104:: with POP3 id z4mf28611506qto.6;
Fri, 03 Jan 2020 11:56:18 -0800 (PST)
X-Gmail-Fetch-Info: james@.com 1 mail..com 110 james@.com
Return-Path: <
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com>
Delivered-To: james@.com
Received: from lax003.hawkhost.com by lax003.hawkhost.com with LMTP id
eJ7WCJSYD15vFQAAva6gig (envelope-from <
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com>) for
.com>; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 11:40:04 -0800
Return-path: <
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com>
Envelope-to: james@.com
Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 11:40:04 -0800
Received: from se001.arandomserver.com ([198.252.100.64]:48764) by
lax003.hawkhost.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
(Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com>) id
1inSnj-0001sJ-TR for james@.com; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 11:40:04 -0800
Received: from cloud.nomekennelclub.com ([198.252.100.6]) by
se001.arandomserver.com with esmtps
(TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com>) id
1inSni-000Hqn-Aw for james@.com; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:40:03 -0500
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=35254 helo=
cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com) by
cloud.nomekennelclub.com with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com>) id
1inSnh-000IHZ-Gi; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 19:40:01 +
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=35252 helo=
cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com) by
cloud.nomekennelclub.com with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <
nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com>) id 1inSng-000IHH-Fe for
nome-announce-ow...@nomekennelclub.com; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 19:40:00 +
Subject: Bounce action notification
From: mail...@nomekennelclub.com
To: nome-announce-ow...@nomekennelclub.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="===7118919187349444018=="
Message-ID: <
mailman.423.1578080399.54331.nome-announce_nomekennelclub@nomekennelclub.com
>
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 19:39:59 +
Precedence: list
X-BeenThere: nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: Trade and Community Announcements 
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Errors-To: mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com
Sender: Nome-announce <
mailman-boun...@cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com>
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with
any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud.nomekennelclub.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - .com
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain -
cloud.nomekennelclub.com.cloud.nomekennelclub.com
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via:

Re: [Mailman-Users] msg marked as spam 554 5.7.1 [P4]

2020-01-05 Thread Jim Dory

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:56 AM Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Jim Dory writes:
>
>
>  > Sometimes I do get this: host mx1.arandomserver.com [198.252.100.64]
>  > SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
>  > 550 Headers contain illegal BOM
>  > on my personal email from the same sender (city), but not sure that is
> same
>  > issue.
>
> I don't understand.  You say it's personal mail *from the city*, but
> you're getting the bounce message?  That should not happen; the bounce
> message should go to the city.
>
>
>

I don't think the city would see a bounce because the list accepted their
message and a lot of subscribers would see it.. but it was rejected only by
one or two other subscriber email providers. That is my understanding
anyway, perhaps I'm wrong.  I see the bounces as admin for the list. Isn't
this proper behavior of the mailman software? It seems that people would
complain (or ask about it) if they saw all the bounces caused by one of
their messages and they never have.

>
> That's nothing.  Don't hesitate.  It's much more annoying to have to
> go back and forth if you send incomplete headers.
>
>
>  >
>  > Could it be that GCI needs to whitelist or something?
>
> Not enough information.  It sounds like either or both the city and
> GCI have difficulty with email since it's that particular combination,
> but which one is whack I can't tell without a look at the delivery
> status notice (bounce message) for the mass bounces.  This is often in
> your mail server's log as well.
>
>
>
Steve, thanks very much for replying and looking at this. I realize now I
didn't provide sufficient info and will in the future amend my ways.

I'm going to contact GCI and see if I can get them to either whitelist or
clean up a possible mis-configure in their system. Another kind gentlemen
from this mailman list contacted me off-list with an offer to help - I sent
him the complete header and reject message.. and he felt that there was
nothing apparent to warrant an email provider to reject it.

thanks, Jim
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[Mailman-Users] msg marked as spam 554 5.7.1 [P4]

2020-01-03 Thread Jim Dory

So I'm just a volunteer who doesn't understand much about email systems..
just rudimentary - and I am managing an email list for community
announcements and trade, by subscription only. We have about 1500
subscribers.

I have one problem that when a particular user (the city) sends an
announcement, it tends to bounce hundreds of mainly one ISP's users.. that
ISP being Alaska's GCI.com . Other users, say on hotmail, yahoo, etc..
don't get bounced. I manage the emails via gmail and lately I've been
"locked out of gmail due to suspicious email activity" which is a pain in
the rear. Also causes my host (Hawkhost) grief.. the overhead they dislike
though they haven't complained lately. So I'm motivated to look into this a
bit.

Sometimes I do get this: host mx1.arandomserver.com [198.252.100.64]
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
550 Headers contain illegal BOM
on my personal email from the same sender (city), but not sure that is same
issue.

The city usually includes a link to the city codes on a public webpage -
perhaps that triggers GCI.

I could post one of the headers in total but it is probably about 3 pages
worth. Everything sort of looks ok to me except I notice this:
BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] 0.0
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED RBL: ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to DNSWL was
blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block
for more information. [34.212.96.103 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0
SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML
included in message

The link in the messages is https://www.codepublishing.com/AK/Nome/ .

I can post more of the header if need be.

Could it be that GCI needs to whitelist or something?

thx, Jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Delivery errors and spam grading

2019-03-19 Thread Jim Dory

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 6:19 PM Mark Sapiro  wrote:

>
> Does your outgoing MTA add an X-Ham-Report: header? Perhaps it does so
> in a non-compliant way.
>
>
> > is disabling the digest option something people do regularly to
> > prevent issues like this? and if so - if I were to disable it now, what
> > happens to those members who are using that option?
>
> Good thing you asked, although if you set digestable to No, at that
> point and on every web admin access after you will get a big, bold
>
> Warning: You have digest members, but digests are turned off. Those
> people will not receive mail. Affected member(s) [list of digest members]
>
> You will need to set those members to non-digest either manually or via
> a script like 
> --
>
>
Thanks very much Mark and Barry. I'll look into the errors further on my
own. Don't know that much about this stuff.. I'm on a VPS with root
access.. it uses Exim and Apache SpamAssassin. I can log in via WHM or
CPanel. So I'll poke around. Things were pretty quiet for awhile, but our
VPS was just migrated to another server by our host, so I think a few
things may have gotten changed.

As for disabling Digest, I have a fair number of users that would probably
be upset. Just tonight at a social event in town, one user mentioned our
mailing list (comparing it to a local facebook group) saying how he enjoyed
having the digest so it didn't ping his phone for every message rolling in.
(Some of us know how to filter that, but most users may not). So I probably
will not disable it.

/jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Delivery errors and spam grading

2019-03-18 Thread Jim Dory

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:39 AM Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

>
>   (You probably should
> also disable the Digestable option in [Digest options]
>

I'm also receiving several bounces back for errors such as:
 "SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
554 Failed: Malformed MIME field: X-Ham-Report:"

Or:
 "SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
554 5.7.1 [P4] Message blocked due to spam content in the message."

Mostly associated with the digest. Curious about the statement  above from
Steve: is disabling the digest option something people do regularly to
prevent issues like this? and if so - if I were to disable it now, what
happens to those members who are using that option? I assume they just
start automatically receiving non-digest messages, but figured I should ask.

thanks, JD
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[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Yahoo, AOL again

2018-11-18 Thread Jim Dory

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 1:48 PM Mark Sapiro  wrote:

>
>
>
> The Yahoo page at 
> has some tips. You may need to adjust the retry strategy of your MTA.
>
>
>
>
So looking at the EXIM config on the host VPS server, there is a
Section:RETRYSTART that is blank, A RETRYBLOCK that has this:

 +secondarymx   *   F,4h,5m; G,16h,1h,1.5; F,4d,8h
*  *   F,2h,15m; G,16h,1h,1.5; F,4d,8h

And a RETRYEND which is blank. So I suppose the RETRYBLOCK is where the
edit would go. This server is basically just handling the mailman list,
plus some very small traffic from server reports, website stuff (very
rare), and other stuff not worth mentioning. So a couple attempts in case
some server or service is down somewhere temporarily.. but otherwise I
hardly think it should be trying for what looks like 4 days, if this is
what I'm correctly seeing. Any one have thoughts on how to edit, given that
qualification?/jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo, AOL again

2018-11-18 Thread Jim Dory

Nevermind.. got it to take with some playing around. thanks and apologies.

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 2:43 PM Jim Dory  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 1:48 PM Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> >The Yahoo page at <https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html>
>> >has some tips. You may need to adjust the retry strategy of your MTA.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Apple has recently started publishing p=quarantine for its
>> >{mac|me|icloud}.com domains. If you don't include p=quarantine
>> >(dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action = Yes) in your DMARC mitigations,
>> >you need to do so.
>>
>> Thanks much Mark for quick reply.
>>
>> So my CPanel seems to only let me add an A, CNAME, MX record ... no TXT
>> option available. If I log into WHM interface, under Edit DNS Zone, I can
>> enter the following:
>> Domain=  _dmarcTTL = 14400   Type = TXT  and TXT= v=DMARC1;
>> p=quarantine; sp=none; rf=afrf; pct=100; ri=86400
>>
>> When I hit save, it just shows v=DMARC1 , when I check back. I've also
>> just entered v=DMARC1;p=quarantine;pct=100; with same result. This is from
>> following some online tutorials for various hosts.
>>
>> Still haven't googled "retry strategies for MTAs" yet.  /jd
>>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo, AOL again

2018-11-18 Thread Jim Dory

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 1:48 PM Mark Sapiro  wrote:

>
>
>
> >The Yahoo page at 
> >has some tips. You may need to adjust the retry strategy of your MTA.
>
>
>
> >Apple has recently started publishing p=quarantine for its
> >{mac|me|icloud}.com domains. If you don't include p=quarantine
> >(dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action = Yes) in your DMARC mitigations,
> >you need to do so.
>
> Thanks much Mark for quick reply.
>
> So my CPanel seems to only let me add an A, CNAME, MX record ... no TXT
> option available. If I log into WHM interface, under Edit DNS Zone, I can
> enter the following:
> Domain=  _dmarcTTL = 14400   Type = TXT  and TXT= v=DMARC1;
> p=quarantine; sp=none; rf=afrf; pct=100; ri=86400
>
> When I hit save, it just shows v=DMARC1 , when I check back. I've also
> just entered v=DMARC1;p=quarantine;pct=100; with same result. This is from
> following some online tutorials for various hosts.
>
> Still haven't googled "retry strategies for MTAs" yet.  /jd
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[Mailman-Users] Yahoo, AOL again

2018-11-18 Thread Jim Dory

For the last couple months I have been getting bounces from yahoo and aol
subscribers. Hundreds a day, depending on list traffic. I think some mail
gets through to them (the yahoo subscribers) but a lot gets bounced, if not
all. None of the the subscribers have complained anyway about not receiving
messages.

Not sure what to do. I had been on Yahoo's what-cha-call-it when a user
complains or marks a message as spam, I would be able to tell what users
from a report Yahoo would send me. Assume I'm still subscribed to that
service, but have not received any for a long time.. maybe this past summer
got one or two. The bounces are similar to what follows:


 " @yahoo.com
host mta5.am0.yahoodns.net [98.136.102.54]
SMTP error from remote mail server after pipelined MAIL FROM:<
nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com> SIZE=7608:
421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 198.252.110.38 temporarily deferred due
to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html:
retry timeout exceeded"

I'm also getting a few bounces from .me and .icloud accounts.. But that may
be a different issue.. I don't know:

" @me.com
host mx3.mail.icloud.com [17.178.97.72]
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
550 5.7.1 [CS01] Message rejected due to local policy. Please visit
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137;
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-16 Thread Jim Dory

oops, I see in Andrews replay I didn't snip all the address  shoot.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Andrew White, PhD <awh...@pdbti.org> wrote:

> We (pdbti.org) have been seeing an increase in rejects for yahoo users
> this week as well...
>
>
> At 12:57 PM 3/16/2018, Jim Dory wrote:
>
> Mostly an FYI but also curious if anyone else sees this. I'm constantly
> having problems with yahoo it seems but this time, for the last couple
> days, I've been seeing this message:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: mailer-dae...@yahoo.com
> To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date:
> Subject: Delivery failure
> Message from yahoo.com.
> Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).
>
> <bsberr-s...@yahoo.com <bsberry9...@yahoo.com>>:
> This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (bsberr-s...@yahoo.com
> <bsberry9...@yahoo.com>) [0]
>
> (I've snipped the address)
>
> I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last couple
> days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally,
> they respond that - yes, they are still there.
>
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[Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-16 Thread Jim Dory

Mostly an FYI but also curious if anyone else sees this. I'm constantly
having problems with yahoo it seems but this time, for the last couple
days, I've been seeing this message:

-- Forwarded message --
From: mailer-dae...@yahoo.com
To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date:
Subject: Delivery failure
Message from yahoo.com.
Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).

>:
This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (bsberr-s...@yahoo.com
) [0]

(I've snipped the address)

I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last couple
days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally,
they respond that - yes, they are still there.

regards, Jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] User's message discarded by SpamDetect

2018-03-01 Thread Jim Dory

Found the problem in one of the filters. Problem solved, thanks!

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Jim Dory <ja...@dorydesign.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
>
> I changed the header filter rules to Hold to see if that helps in locating
> the problem. The DMARC thing was listed as Accept. Known spammers had a
> reject expression with somedomain.edu that I deleted in case it was
> causing the issue with the alaska.edu. We'll see, I've asked her to try
> resending again.   thx, Jim
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> On 03/01/2018 11:41 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
>> > Our local campus from Univ. of Alaska Fairbanks has set up an (I
>> believe)
>> > alias email account on the alaska.edu domain. Their system uses
>> gmail.com'
>> > business account to handle email. When the user tries to send to our
>> list,
>> > it gets blocked with no bounce. From the
>> > /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/vette file:
>> >
>> > Mar 01 17:34:48 2018 (11087) Message discarded, msgid: <
>> > cacxqi6wtfxca-aajnp5muscb4wklfjwggkb4k2t+hxi6_8l...@mail.gmail.com>'
>> >list: Nome-announce,
>> >handler: SpamDetect
>>
>>
>> There are a few possibilities.
>>
>> She is posting from a domain with a DMARC policy of reject or quarantine
>> and the list's dmarc_moderation_action is Discard.
>>
>> You have configured a list of tuples of the form (header, regexp) in
>> KNOWN_SPAMMERS in mm_cfg.py and some header in her message matches a
>> corresponding KNOWN_SPAMMERS regexp.
>>
>> You have configured header_filter_rules and a rule with action Discard
>> matches this message.
>>
>> None of these honor the forward_auto_discards setting.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] User's message discarded by SpamDetect

2018-03-01 Thread Jim Dory

Thanks Mark,

I changed the header filter rules to Hold to see if that helps in locating
the problem. The DMARC thing was listed as Accept. Known spammers had a
reject expression with somedomain.edu that I deleted in case it was causing
the issue with the alaska.edu. We'll see, I've asked her to try resending
again.   thx, Jim

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 03/01/2018 11:41 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > Our local campus from Univ. of Alaska Fairbanks has set up an (I believe)
> > alias email account on the alaska.edu domain. Their system uses
> gmail.com'
> > business account to handle email. When the user tries to send to our
> list,
> > it gets blocked with no bounce. From the
> > /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/vette file:
> >
> > Mar 01 17:34:48 2018 (11087) Message discarded, msgid: <
> > cacxqi6wtfxca-aajnp5muscb4wklfjwggkb4k2t+hxi6_8l...@mail.gmail.com>'
> >list: Nome-announce,
> >handler: SpamDetect
>
>
> There are a few possibilities.
>
> She is posting from a domain with a DMARC policy of reject or quarantine
> and the list's dmarc_moderation_action is Discard.
>
> You have configured a list of tuples of the form (header, regexp) in
> KNOWN_SPAMMERS in mm_cfg.py and some header in her message matches a
> corresponding KNOWN_SPAMMERS regexp.
>
> You have configured header_filter_rules and a rule with action Discard
> matches this message.
>
> None of these honor the forward_auto_discards setting.
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[Mailman-Users] User's message discarded by SpamDetect

2018-03-01 Thread Jim Dory

Our local campus from Univ. of Alaska Fairbanks has set up an (I believe)
alias email account on the alaska.edu domain. Their system uses gmail.com'
business account to handle email. When the user tries to send to our list,
it gets blocked with no bounce. From the
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/vette file:

Mar 01 17:34:48 2018 (11087) Message discarded, msgid: <
cacxqi6wtfxca-aajnp5muscb4wklfjwggkb4k2t+hxi6_8l...@mail.gmail.com>'
   list: Nome-announce,
   handler: SpamDetect

I have various filters in the mailman administrative interface, but when
those are tripped I think I usually get a bounce of "autodiscard" and the
message that is discarded. I'm not seeing it in this case, so think it may
be prior to those filters.

In the WHM interface, under Exim config for spamassassin, I had the
threshold set at "3", and just changed it to "5", but no luck on letting
her send a message.

One curious thing about her email account was the bounce after the monthly
email reminder:


Final-Recipient: rfc822; nwc.@alaska.edu 
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; Bounce messages should not be posted to a
mailinglist.
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 21:01:37 -0800 (PST)

She can post the message via her personal gmail account.

So this may be an issue with gmail, or their setup with the alias, but
curious if you would know how to fix it? I could post the message, but it
is just boiler plate stuff mentioning upcoming classes/events.

She occasionally has success posting to the list under this alias, but has
experienced similar problems on other messages. We can email back and forth
using the alias.

thx, Jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages getting auto discarded

2018-02-17 Thread Jim Dory

Thanks for your help Mark.. I think your last sentence nailed it.

/jim

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 02/16/2018 11:55 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > We are on Mailman 2.1.23. CPanel version.
> >
> > Here is a typical auto discard vette log entry from a guy who isn't
> > subscribed on the particular email he used, but is on other email
> addresses:
> >
> > Feb 16 18:13:35 2018 (1341) Message discarded, msgid: <
> > calkxjosaahubcrzcmmbwfpsrcjdzpwiwy--n95_1bdk4kni...@mail.gmail.com>'
> >list: Nome-announce,
> >handler: Moderate
>
>
> This is a normal non-member discard. it is either because the non-member
> address is in discard_these_nonmembers or not in any *_these_nonmembers
> and generic_nonmember_action is Discard.
>
>
> > This message went to a nome-announce.bounces "Auto discard notification"
> I
> > can actually see the message in that notification.
>
>
> Right. I forgot about forward_auto_discards.
>
>
> > What has changed in the last month or two is when a non-member used to
> try
> > to post, I would get a nome-announce-bounces "Nome-announce post from
> > some...@nome.net requires approval" and the message would be "Post to a
> > moderated list".
>
>
> That should only happen if the post is from a member whose mod bit is
> set and member_moderation_action is Hold.
>
>
> > In that case I could then go into the administrative
> > interface "Tend to pending moderator requests" and review who had tried
> to
> > post and act on it one way or another. If it was a local non-spam email I
> > could write to the person and tell them to subscribe and give
> instructions,
> > or to use their subscribed email account.
>
>
> What you are describing is more like a post being held because
> generic_nonmember_action is Hold, but then the reason is 'Post by
> non-member to a members-only list'
>
>
> > But now it seems like if anyone
> > tries to post with an unsubscribed account, I don't see them unless I go
> > through the (up to) hundreds of "Auto discard notification"s. So I'm
> > thinking now it isn't to do with any of my spam filters because I haven't
> > touched them for several months.. except I did add that ^parsons@nome
> \.net$
> > last entry in the sender filters not too long ago.
>
>
> It has nothing to do with your spam filters. I think you, perhaps
> inadvertently, changed Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> generic_nonmember_action from Hold to Discard.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages getting auto discarded

2018-02-17 Thread Jim Dory

We are on Mailman 2.1.23. CPanel version.

Here is a typical auto discard vette log entry from a guy who isn't
subscribed on the particular email he used, but is on other email addresses:

Feb 16 18:13:35 2018 (1341) Message discarded, msgid: <
calkxjosaahubcrzcmmbwfpsrcjdzpwiwy--n95_1bdk4kni...@mail.gmail.com>'
   list: Nome-announce,
   handler: Moderate

This message went to a nome-announce.bounces "Auto discard notification" I
can actually see the message in that notification.

What has changed in the last month or two is when a non-member used to try
to post, I would get a nome-announce-bounces "Nome-announce post from
some...@nome.net requires approval" and the message would be "Post to a
moderated list". In that case I could then go into the administrative
interface "Tend to pending moderator requests" and review who had tried to
post and act on it one way or another. If it was a local non-spam email I
could write to the person and tell them to subscribe and give instructions,
or to use their subscribed email account. But now it seems like if anyone
tries to post with an unsubscribed account, I don't see them unless I go
through the (up to) hundreds of "Auto discard notification"s. So I'm
thinking now it isn't to do with any of my spam filters because I haven't
touched them for several months.. except I did add that ^parsons@nome\.net$
last entry in the sender filters not too long ago.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 7:04 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 02/16/2018 11:09 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > I've gotten a ton of spam directed at our mailing list so I set up some
> > auto discard filters. Unfortunately I don't know regular expressions so
> may
> > have misconfigured - result is some seemingly valid messages getting
> > discarded (could be different reason than my filters).
> >
> > A couple yesterday were from un-subscribed users. but usually I get a
> > bounce saying it is held for moderation.. though not in this case. I
> don't
> > always check the auto discard messages because of the number of them,
> but a
> > registered user sent an email that never showed up as a bounce (held for
> > moderation) or as accepted, so I assume it was auto discarded as well.
>
>
> First, you need to look at logs. Mailman's vette log will have a message
> like
>
> Message discarded, msgid: ...'
> list: ...,
> handler: ...
>
> for each discarded message. In the case of header_filter_rules, the
> handler will be SpamDetect.
>
> Note that if you change the action to Hold,the vette log message will be
>
>  post from  held, message-id=<...>: 
>
> and if your Mailman is 2.1.26,  will tell you which regexp
> matched. Prior to 2.1.26 it just says "message matched a filter rule"
>
>
> > Here's my filter config for subject:
> > ...
>
>
> You should be aware that these regexps are matched case-insensitively.
> You can't make them be case-sensitive.
>
>
> > and legacy:
> > # Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
>
> For bounce_matching_headers it appears you just have the defaults which
> probably never match as they are over 15 years old, and these result in
> Holds, not Discards.
> >
> > and email:
> >
> ...
>
> If these are in discard_these_nonmembers, the handler will be Moderate.
>
>
> > The subject on one discarded msg was (from unsubscribed user - just used
> > wrong email):
> > MEDITATION! RURAL BUSINESS FINANCE! Register today.
> >
> > And another subject same situation:
> > SPARC MEETING
> >
> > Message sources didn't give me any clues, but I could provide one if it
> > would help.
>
>
> How are you seeing these things if the messages are discarded?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages getting auto discarded

2018-02-16 Thread Jim Dory

Good question! Nothing against Germany, but the list is strictly local
community stuff. If someone with that domain moved here, I would remove
that block. But it was easy to block whole countries rather than individual
spammers.

On Feb 16, 2018 12:27, "Christian F Buser"  wrote:

> I can’t help you - but are you sure that you want to exclude all German
> addresses (.de) from your list?
>
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[Mailman-Users] messages getting auto discarded

2018-02-16 Thread Jim Dory

I've gotten a ton of spam directed at our mailing list so I set up some
auto discard filters. Unfortunately I don't know regular expressions so may
have misconfigured - result is some seemingly valid messages getting
discarded (could be different reason than my filters).

A couple yesterday were from un-subscribed users. but usually I get a
bounce saying it is held for moderation.. though not in this case. I don't
always check the auto discard messages because of the number of them, but a
registered user sent an email that never showed up as a bounce (held for
moderation) or as accepted, so I assume it was auto discarded as well.

Here's my filter config for subject:


^Subject: .*Phentermine
^Subject: .*F\*ckbuddy
^Subject: .*H00kup
^Subject: .*InstaF\*ck
^Subject: .*Instacheat
^Subject: .*\(dating\)*
^Subject: .*Larisa
^Subject: .*Viagra
^Subject: .*on line*
^Subject: .*pills
^Subject: .*Cialis
^Subject: .*Yulia
^Subject: .*rewarded
^Subject: .*viagra
^Subject: .*Orgasm
^Subject: .*Russia
^Subject: .*my gentle sun*
^Subject: .*Good day to you*
^Subject: .*Do.not.write.me*
^Subject: .*Casino
^Subject: .*Your invoice*
^Subject: .*Re\:Hey*
^Subject: .*Ukraine
^Subject: .*Re\:You
^Subject: .*Wives
^Subject: .*PowerPack
^Subject: .*our.communication*
^Subject: .*easy.money*
^Subject: .*Live.Chat*
^Subject: .*Games.and.profits*
^Subject: .*new.message*
^Subject: .*\?\?\?\?*
^Subject: .*SuperDiscount
^Subject: .*Easily.Earn*
^Subject: .*help.you.earn*
^Subject: .*let\'s.chat*
^Subject: .*I.am.on\-line*
^Subject: .*Making.\$*
^Subject: .*\(on\-line.now\)
^Subject: .*Xenical
^Subject: .*cure.yourself
^Subject: .*celexa
^Subject: .*binary.options
^Subject: .*Re\:.don\'t
^Subject: .*effective.tabs
^Subject: .*ED\!
^Subject: .*lexapro
^Subject: .*big.deal\!
^Subject: .*your.vigor
^Subject: .*boner
^Subject: .*medications
^Subject: .*buy.meds
^Subject: .*lasting.erection
^Subject: .*RE\:.Pure
^Subject: .*pure.joy
^Subject: .*hey\!
^Subject: .*online.trade
^Subject: .*ED.remedy
^Subject: .*answer\!
^Subject: .*best.meds
^Subject: .*powerful.meds
^Subject: .*start.trading
^Subject: .*RE\:.Now
^Subject: .*RE\:.loan
^Subject: .*sex
^Subject: .*fantasies
^Subject: .*make.money
^Subject: .*your.depression
^Subject: .*antidepressant
^Subject: .*impotence
^Subject: .*anti.depression
^Subject: .*our.portal
^Subject: .*without.depression
^Subject: .*bright.life
^Subject: .*amorous

and legacy:
# Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
to: fri...@public.com
message-id: relay.comanche.denmark.eu
from: l...@listme.com
from: .*@uplinkpro.com

and email:

^[^@]+@bcira\.com$
^[^@]+@airablo\.com$
^[^@]+@bfklaw\.com$
^[^@]+@bettella\.com$
^[^@]+@areallycool\.com$
^[^@]+@aristo-tec\.com$
^[^@]+@benallgood\.com$
^[^@]+@al-meshkah\.com$
^[^@]+@atoccs\.stream$
^[^@]+@authors\.com$
^[^@]+@aulson\.com$
^[^@]+@atmyx\.bid$
^[^@]+@airtecperforms\.com$
vmserv...@nomekennelclub.com
^[^@]+@.+\.loan$
^[^@]+@.+\.stream$
^[^@]+@.+\.trade$
^[^@]+@.+\.bid$
^[^@]+@.+\.cn$
^[^@]+@postingmuscle\.com$
^[^@]+@adirondack\.net$
^[^@]+@bicycleexpertwitness\.com$
^[^@]+@allpoetry\.com$
^[^@]+@autecsafety\.com$
^[^@]+@proshred\.com$
^[^@]+@archangel-films\.com$
^[^@]+@alansphotos\.com$
^[^@]+@agoprofil\.com$
^[^@]+@readytech\.com$
^[^@]+@blakecarrington\.com$
^[^@]+@bigcatcafe\.com$
^[^@]+@biovectra\.com$
^[^@]+@blueridgeknives\.com$
^[^@]+@akarenga\.com$
^[^@]+@appetez\.com$
^[^@]+@angelaortiz\.com$
^[^@]+@agridfencing\.com$
^[^@]+@blumenstetter-bindesysteme\.com$
^[^@]+@alienwebhost\.com$
^[^@]+@barkingcafe\.com$
^[^@]+@babynamegenie\.com$
^[^@]+@bluechick\.com$
^[^@]+@bienenstock\.com$
^[^@]+@askwith\.com$
^[^@]+@bespoke-fp\.com$
^[^@]+@alcoa\.com$
^[^@]+@fotolia\.com$
^[^@]+@betsonenterprises\.com$
^[^@]+@argentinosonline\.com$
^[^@]+@adeptus\.com$
dgimmin...@gci.net
^[^@]+@andover-healthcare\.com$
^[^@]+@bearablemoments\.com$
^[^@]+@avexnet\.com$
^[^@]+@avidnano\.com$
^[^@]+@amcarco\.com$
^[^@]+@biyougeka-kensakuya\.com$
^[^@]+@albawardi\.com$
^[^@]+@barrao\.com$
^[^@]+@affordableweddinggown\.com$
^[^@]+@barshield\.com$
^[^@]+@autographink\.com$
^[^@]+@blankethealthinsurance\.com$
^[^@]+@alfredojunior\.com$
^[^@]+@marketingautomationtools\.org$
^[^@]+@wexonex\.com$
^[^@]+@bargedirect\.com$
^[^@]+@blacktoastintolerance\.com$
^[^@]+@bada-bing\.com$
^[^@]+@africanews\.com$
^[^@]+@marketplace\.amazon\.co\.uk$
^[^@]+@blazingworld\.com$
^[^@]+@csu\.edu$
^[^@]+@artecollezione\.com$
^[^@]+@billupsdesign\.com$
^[^@]+@art4sale\.com$
^[^@]+@bdwt\.com$
^[^@]+@architechies\.com$
^[^@]+@banklife\.comfe\.com$
^[^@]+@aveek\.com$
^[^@]+@adweek\.com$
^[^@]+@allendistribution\.com$
^[^@]+@1800radiator\.com$
^[^@]+@alarabiaco\.com$
^[^@]+@boldconcepts\.com$
^[^@]+@andersonvaluationgroup\.com$
^[^@]+@armandbasi\.com$
^[^@]+@arastra\.com$
^[^@]+@arcticspassaskatoon\.com$
^[^@]+@aubreynorris\.com$
^[^@]+@bctc\-lb\.com$
^[^@]+@alongtheway\.com$
^[^@]+@espbs\.net$
^[^@]+@allthingsdigital\.com$
^[^@]+@adinfocenter\.com$
^[^@]+@arabize\.com$
^[^@]+@giesting\.com$

Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo problems again

2017-12-23 Thread Jim Dory

There were indeed a couple addresses that had unavailable mailboxes due to
being full, and one that just may have been deactivated by the user. I set
those to "no mail" but am still getting the same yahoo notifications of the
554 delivery error. Watching to see if there's another unavailable address
but have yet to see it.   Thanks for help and advice!   /jim

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Russell Clemings <rclemi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> FWIW, last month on another list a Yahoo/AOL rep said it means an inactive
> account. Which is not exactly the same as an account that doesn't exist, I
> guess.
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg05018.html
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:00 AM, <mailman-users-requ...@python.org> wrote:
>
>
> > From: Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>
> > To: mailman-users@python.org
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:18:18 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo problems again
> > On 12/21/2017 03:14 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > > I'm running a CPanel version of mailman.
> > > I've been seeing a lot of the following errors of mostly yahoo.com
> users
> > > but a few other providers as well.
> > >
> > > "-- Forwarded message --
> > > From: Mail Delivery System <mailer-dae...@server.nomekennelclub.com>
> > > To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
> > > Cc:
> > > Bcc:
> > > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:22:05 +
> > > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
> > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
> > >
> > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es)
> failed:
> > >
> > >  x...@yahoo.com
> > > host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net [98.137.159.27]
> > > SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
> > > 554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted -
> > > mta4357.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > Action: failed
> > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;x...@yahoo.com
> > > Status: 5.0.0
> > > Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net
> > > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action
> > aborted
> > > - mta4357.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
> > > "
> > >
> > > followed by a forwarded message that had been sent to the list by
> another
> > > user.
> > > -which I don't know how to deal with.
> >
> >
> > This is a Yahoo glitch. They are reporting a bogus reason for a list
> > message to a Yahoo address that doesn't exist. See
> > <https://forums.yahoo.net/t5/Delivery-errors-5xx-and-421/554
> > -delivery-error-dd-Requested-mail-action-aborted-mta1240-
> mail/td-p/382749>
> >
> >
> >
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[Mailman-Users] Yahoo problems again

2017-12-21 Thread Jim Dory

I'm running a CPanel version of mailman.
I've been seeing a lot of the following errors of mostly yahoo.com users
but a few other providers as well.

"-- Forwarded message --
From: Mail Delivery System 
To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:22:05 +
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

 x...@yahoo.com
host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net [98.137.159.27]
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted -
mta4357.mail.ne1.yahoo.com

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;x...@yahoo.com
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted
- mta4357.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
"

followed by a forwarded message that had been sent to the list by another
user.
-which I don't know how to deal with. And also, I just had a yahoo user try
to send something to the list and he was completely blocked:

"From: Mail Delivery System 
Date: December 21, 2017 at 10:55:27 AM AKST
To: y...@yahoo.com
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

m...@dorydesign.com
   (generated from nomeannou...@nomekennelclub.com)
   host mx1.arandomserver.com [208.43.240.3]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   550 High probability of spam


Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;m...@dorydesign.com
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mx1.arandomserver.com
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 High probability of spam
"

The attached mime from that message was this (I've tried to obscure the
email addresses in these examples):

Return-path: 
Received: from se001.arandomserver.com ([207.210.220.219]:42974)
by server.nomekennelclub.com with esmtps
(TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
(Exim 4.89_1)
(envelope-from )
id 1eS6w8-0005XI-5V
for nomeannou...@nomekennelclub.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 19:55:24 +
Received: from sonic306-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.132.41])
by se001.arandomserver.com with esmtps
(TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128)
(Exim 4.89)
(envelope-from )
id 1eS6vT-0006g3-7Y
for nomeannou...@nomekennelclub.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:54:43 -0600
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048;
t=1513886082; bh=oAG+Vx42je2VW+88C4FZSQH+Yw6Qb4GSG+M2O1+tDyc=;
h=From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject;
b=Xcfo3BhyCiYF0RUBYPratRWoint9KVpgawUavGEI41YTWaESeLOyfRCAlFrNuVMbrNUKM8aAo49oYN9VlKqYjGY7oqHoZa1hEm8MsxW2K7x73NoiUIjShUvfCA6IrNqEHz3h2HtoJGC27nF5JP9AqVjroXOy9f7AIugKL0sWlH1Duz3d0MKFmeg6BNRHp4HliFb8zbvey/8zAuVoE8Unh1rZp2zY1DQYEwQqg4HcFlzY6P9ZaAzkMWF692PIa7JSz1gD2zw0BWhi1MQOlRigWsMkOJBK0ia2QRTDgzRMsdQ1zc/iOi16YXUIVddPvRuNjk2prx2ojrdZiQeD9jZ/ww==
X-YMail-OSG: uvH4Z2EVM1kqMXtalwJ6oTN1d5zS2x6GWBYuwiJt9FyjfYi0ji89oNPJ78BmCkW
 PfZgicNYSHDBf2svIrXgPXOTBZt6zMqTngoNNyPlVb38SVZdf5MHcMDpVFHrRTZ.e0bMy4SS2jCZ
 VNrnPuskvvg5TaAw39nxkWuQLNPhVVix6kT_o4Nn5fNGPn1WFbC3CJAlJvWs0.Re6ZwrmdhIqZzs
 _8sg4YH3gBSS4i9oVcuAOsrI_bqZwH56KnE8_ICkPS9d9y3uRFBOriBOiKQYdNKve8AKBBWFSjJi
 b.Z._BNpLNrz1LGAD_paOegr8hvOvWBUrwee5bsfXuY0tOpe96R.PtbLlRmKM_9H8D0W3OsC3R0k
 L7ts11xugZRbxsOlJt8wQqsBOsdVN9AREERluLjuYt6Yu9GumXYjHVb7cUH_Hl5xwFLHQ6AfpVXV
 IgCJohmz2iU1paZD0vg0ARqlxHF5qtNJZ82qDfjRtDCGIkS56rv35.1LvqIzIW1aMgn8BQECi6XV
 dp_6S
Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by
sonic306.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 19:54:42
+
Received: from smtp127-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (EHLO [10.126.186.15])
([98.139.172.251])
  by smtp408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID
52a4c2265a6e8c2eb991fbaec30e880c
  for ;
  Thu, 21 Dec 2017 19:54:39 + (UTC)
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii
From: Timothy Smith 
Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0)
Subject: Looking for old snowplow
Message-Id: <72e67804-9c39-4648-b54a-355a1cd91...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:54:36 -0900
To: nomeannou...@nomekennelclub.com
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60)
Received-SPF: pass (se001.arandomserver.com: domain of yahoo.com designates
74.6.132.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.6.132.41; envelope-from=
y...@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com;
X-SPF-Result: se001.arandomserver.com: domain of yahoo.com designates
74.6.132.41 as permitted sender
Authentication-Results: se001.arandomserver.com; dmarc=pass header.from=
yahoo.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archived spam

2017-11-07 Thread Jim Dory

Just had to do it today. I chose method #1 - just deleted an URL that was
probably used for phishing from two messages.

https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20edit%20the%20archives%20of%20a%20Mailman%20list%3F

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Hal via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:

> I run a low-volume mailing list (using Mailman 2.1.12) and I see that a
> few spam-messages have gotten through, which also means they're archived.
> I would like to remove them but all the info I can find when searching
> online are along the lines of "hard to do", "shouldn't be attempted",
> "impossible" and so on. Is this correct, or is there a solution?
>
> Perhaps it helps to say that for the past two months (September and
> October) each of those only contains one message each, and they're spam.
> Other months contain a mix of spam and legitimate messages.
>
> Hal
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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam discard expressions

2017-09-29 Thread Jim Dory

Thanks for the reply Stephen,

I opened a trouble ticket to see if the host support had a solution to all
the spam. They suggested setting the spam reject score in SpamAssassin for
our VPS server at 3.5.  When I had it set earlier at 5, it started marking
member's posts as spam and rejected them. Didn't seem to fix when I moved
that score number to 1, though that might not be a proper number to use, I
don't know.

Anyway, the spam didn't really stop with that measure. No idea why.. the
list's domain is the only one on that vps server. So I have resorted to
using mailman settings. I have set the Sender Filters and the header
filters to filter out certain subject phrases and words and to
auto-discard. I get auto-discard notices of about 150 to 200 per day, but
since they are stacked in just a couple notices it isn't difficult to
delete. So I'm considering the problem solved unless the host complains
about our traffic. Whatever I did, I haven't had a single spam get through
my filters yet and no complaints from members about false positives. The
spammers attacking us must not be very smart, though they are persistent.

/jim

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Sorry, I've been ignoring Mailman for a few days, and I guess you've
> got a solution that works already.  This is a pair of alternatives
> that each have some advantages and disadvantages compared to your
> regexp-based solution.  FWIW, YMMV
>
> Jim Dory writes:
>
>  > Apparently our host provider performs spam tests only on outgoing,
>  > rather than incoming - since my spamassassin blacklists don't have
>  > any effect.
>
> Your spamassassin blacklists will have no effect on Mailman, since
> Mailman is not you.  Ask your provider how to configure this.  I
> strongly recommend this in preference to any measures in Mailman as it
> reduces the burden on the host.
>
>  > So I've discovered the filters offered in Mailman after being
>  > completely buried by spammers trying to post to our subscriber only
>  > list.
>
> I suppose you have cPanel, and I don't know much about their web
> management interface.  If it's similar to vanilla Mailman, in Privacy
> Filters -> Sender Filters near the bottom, there is an option
> "generic_nonmember_action".  You can set that to Discard if you're
> sufficiently sure that members always use their subscribed address, or
> are willing to have members using unsubscribed addresses to post have
> their posts silently discarded.
>
> I recommend STRONGLY against using Reject, as that often results in
> "backscatter", which is spam to "borrowed" addresses in "From".
>
> This measure will be effective against all of the spammers in the list
> below.  It will not work against spammers who spoof your subscribers'
> addresses.
>
> HTH
>
> Steve
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam discard expressions

2017-09-22 Thread Jim Dory

Maybe this is how to do it:

My spam filter is not working. I have this syntax: ^Subject: .*Example

And mail with this subject is still getting through:
Subject: Desperate for a Example

What would be correct way to catch messages with "Example"?

thanks, jim

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Jim Dory <ja...@dorydesign.com> wrote:

>
> I'm trying to ask a question about spam filters, using an example of spam
> I'm getting, but I'm getting this error:
>
> The response was:
>
> 554 permanent error Contact your postmaster/admin for assistance. Please
> provide the following information in your problem report: time (Sep 22
> 22:16:42) and client (2607:f8b0:400e:c05::231).
>
>
> Anyway around this?   /jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam discard expressions

2017-09-22 Thread Jim Dory

I'm trying to ask a question about spam filters, using an example of spam
I'm getting, but I'm getting this error:

The response was:

554 permanent error Contact your postmaster/admin for assistance. Please
provide the following information in your problem report: time (Sep 22
22:16:42) and client (2607:f8b0:400e:c05::231).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam discard expressions

2017-09-20 Thread Jim Dory

Great, thanks!

This should help a lot,

regards, Jim

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Robert Heller <hel...@deepsoft.com> wrote:

> At Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:59:37 -0800 Jim Dory <ja...@dorydesign.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Apparently our host provider performs spam tests only on outgoing, rather
> > than incoming - since my spamassassin blacklists don't have any effect.
> >
> > So I've discovered the filters offered in Mailman after being completely
> > buried by spammers trying to post to our subscriber only list.
> >
> > I've started putting these in Sender Filters:
> >
> > ^[^@]+@bcira\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@airablo\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@bfklaw\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@bettella\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@areallycool\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@aristo-tec\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@benallgood\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@al-meshkah\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@atoccs\.stream$
> > ^[^@]+@authors\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@aulson\.com$
> > ^[^@]+@atmyx\.bid$
> > ^[^@]+@airtecperforms\.com$
> >
> > but what is the syntax for blocking domains ending in
> > .loan
> > .stream
> > .trade
>
> ^[^@]+@.+\.loan$
> ^[^@]+@.+\.stream$
> ^[^@]+@.+\.trade$
>
> etc.
>
> Just replace the "host" part with .+ (== 1 or more of any character) and
> replace com with loan, stream, trade, etc.  Thus, for example:
>
> ^[^@]+@.+\.loan$
>
> matches any of these:
>
> someid...@getaloan.loan
> freemo...@instantloan.loan
> brreakyourl...@loanshark.loan
>
> (and many more).
>
> >
> > etc, other than .com.
> >
> > I've been reading up on python expressions but at first reading it is a
> bit
> > overwhelming - hoping for a simple example.
> >
> > I've also started adding in words under Spam filters such as:
> >
> > ^Subject: .*Phentermine
> > ^Subject: .*F\*buddy
> > ^Subject: .*H00kup
> > ^Subject: .*InstaF\*ck
> > ^Subject: .*Instacheat
> >
> > Wondering if anyone would care to share their lists of filters - or a
> good
> > resource?
> >
> > thanks, Jim
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[Mailman-Users] spam discard expressions

2017-09-20 Thread Jim Dory

Apparently our host provider performs spam tests only on outgoing, rather
than incoming - since my spamassassin blacklists don't have any effect.

So I've discovered the filters offered in Mailman after being completely
buried by spammers trying to post to our subscriber only list.

I've started putting these in Sender Filters:

^[^@]+@bcira\.com$
^[^@]+@airablo\.com$
^[^@]+@bfklaw\.com$
^[^@]+@bettella\.com$
^[^@]+@areallycool\.com$
^[^@]+@aristo-tec\.com$
^[^@]+@benallgood\.com$
^[^@]+@al-meshkah\.com$
^[^@]+@atoccs\.stream$
^[^@]+@authors\.com$
^[^@]+@aulson\.com$
^[^@]+@atmyx\.bid$
^[^@]+@airtecperforms\.com$

but what is the syntax for blocking domains ending in
.loan
.stream
.trade

etc, other than .com.

I've been reading up on python expressions but at first reading it is a bit
overwhelming - hoping for a simple example.

I've also started adding in words under Spam filters such as:

^Subject: .*Phentermine
^Subject: .*F\*buddy
^Subject: .*H00kup
^Subject: .*InstaF\*ck
^Subject: .*Instacheat

Wondering if anyone would care to share their lists of filters - or a good
resource?

thanks, Jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] "Bounce action notification" emails for subscribes/unsubscribes

2017-08-31 Thread Jim Dory

I have root access to my server and I'm not getting the
subscribe/unsubscribe notices for our mailing list. If it would help I can
look something up. However, this isn't my day job so I would need cookbook
style instructions. I have ssh ability as well as their WHM interface.

That said, not sure we have the same problem.   /jim

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 08/31/2017 01:29 AM, Terry . wrote:
> >
> > However, here's the latest development.  I created
> bugte...@whatever-domain.com lists for each of my 7 domains, then for
> each list, I:
> >
> > - Set owner to my address,
> >
> > - Set admin_notify_mchanges to "Yes",
> >
> > - Took a few other Yes/No options which shouldn't matter, the same for
> each list),
> >
> > - Subscribed X address to the list,
> >
> > - Then unsubscribed X address from the list.
> >
> > The result was, only 3 of the 7 lists sent me subscription and
> unsubscribe emails.  The other 4 sent nothing!
>
>
> Are the list's archiving? Does anything end up in the list archives,
> i.e., posted to the list?
>
>
> > Does it sound as if cPanel or the webhost have caused some problems with
> the mailman installation?
>
>
> Yes, it does.
>
>
> > Should I take this up with the webhost, (who will probably have to pass
> it on to cPanel), or do you have any ideas?
>
>
> I am out of ideas. I am willing to work with the webhost and/or cPanel
> if they contact me, but I don't think I can do any more without
> information that's not available to you.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] "Bounce action notification" emails for subscribes/unsubscribes

2017-08-31 Thread Jim Dory

For what it is worth, I've stopped getting subscribe/unsubscribe notices
too on my one list hosted on CPanel/virtual server. Perhaps months ago. I
figured it was over my head to figure out, so reading this thread to see if
anything easy presents as a solution.   /jim

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Terry .  wrote:

> Hi again Mark,
>
>
> > I would like to see all of the MTA (Exim) log messages relating to the
> > messages with Message-IDs
> >  and
> > .
>
> > Also, Mailman's bounce, smtp and smtp-failure log messages from around
> > Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:45 to 05:01 may help.
>
> > Although, this appears to be cPanel, so you may not have access to these
> > things - see  .
>
>
> You're right - I don't have such access, but thanks for the interesting
> link.  I'm not yet sure if the webhost will provide these, but I might ask
> them if needed.
>
>
> However, here's the latest development.  I created
> bugte...@whatever-domain.com lists for each of my 7 domains, then for
> each list, I:
>
> - Set owner to my address,
>
> - Set admin_notify_mchanges to "Yes",
>
> - Took a few other Yes/No options which shouldn't matter, the same for
> each list),
>
> - Subscribed X address to the list,
>
> - Then unsubscribed X address from the list.
>
> The result was, only 3 of the 7 lists sent me subscription and unsubscribe
> emails.  The other 4 sent nothing!  (I confirmed this from the command line
> where I could see the emails which I received a few levels under the ~/mail
> directory on the server.  I also confirmed the lists are basically the same
> by dumping & comparing their settings with a Perl script I wrote, which
> uses Perl's WWW::Mailman module.)
>
>
> Does it sound as if cPanel or the webhost have caused some problems with
> the mailman installation?
>
>
> Should I take this up with the webhost, (who will probably have to pass it
> on to cPanel), or do you have any ideas?
>
>
> I'm using cPanel 11 66.0.17, in case anyone is interested.
>
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Terry
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces SMTP error 554

2017-04-22 Thread Jim Dory

I do have control over gandalf - a VPS server (so that much, at least). Not
sure how I would obtain an "actual raw message" other than what I received
from the sender as a subscriber myself. The server uses Exim and is a
CPanel installation.

Seems like I get these bounces a couple a day and so far not often enough
increment to suspend the guys that these are bounced from.

thanks for your help!  /jim

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 7:47 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 04/22/2017 07:30 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > I have a couple members of our list whose remote mail servers reject some
> > of our messages because of what appears to be text formatting in the
> > messages. Usually MS Office formatting. I get a bounce back ala:
> >
> > "host mtaonline.net.mx1.greymail.rcimx.net [208.80.206.74]
> > SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
> > 554 Failed: Malformed MIME field: X-Ham-Report:
> > Spam detection software, running on the system "
> > gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
> > spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view it
> or
> > label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
> root\@localhost
> > for details.  Content preview:
> >  blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important;
> > border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important;
> > background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch pizza$20.00 2
> > chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."
>
>
> It looks to me that the issue causing the bounce is not the content of
> the message body, but rather it is that spam detection software running
> in some MTA in the delivery chain is adding the headers something like
>
> X-Ham-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system
>  "gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
>  spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view
>  it or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
>  root\@localhost for details.
> Content preview: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0
>  !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
>  !important; background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch
>  pizza$20.00 2 chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."
>
> to the message and the added headers are either non-compliant because
> they are too long or not properly folded or contain non-ascii characters.
>
> It may be that whatever doing this is rendering the HTML body for the
> Content preview: and turning the  html entities into utf-8 0xC2
> 0xA0 which is the two-byte utf-8 representation of the "no break space",
> but if it is putting those bytes (represented perhaps as "[0xC2] ...")
> into a Content preview: header, that is definitely a problem and
> something at gandalf.nomekennelclub.com is not doing the right thing.
>
>
> > In googling, it seems I found others have problems with the [OxC2] type
> > formatting as well. Just curious if there's much I can do about it or
> just
> > ignore these bounces.
>
>
> If you don't control gandalf.nomekennelclub.com, there's probably not
> much you can do beyond ignoring the bounces if they're infrequent enough
> that user's delivery isn't being disabled (or raise
> bounce_score_threshold if necessary)
>
>
> > Here's the original source of that particular message:
> >
> > Sent from My iPhone
> > 7=C2=A0 --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810 Content-Type:
>
>
> It's hard to tell a lot from this without seeing the actual raw message
> without it's being wrapped, folded, whatever by your MUA. Note that the
> initial "7=C2=A0 " part looks like a quoted-printable encoding,
> presumably from the text/plain alternative part that corresponds to the
> "7 " at the end of the html alternative part below.
>
>
> > text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
> > xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office">
> >  blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted {
> margin-left:
> > 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
> > !important; background-color:white !important; } 3 topping 19
> inch
> > pizza$20.002 chicken fajitas and a
> > salad$12.00Bacon cheese
> > burger$10.00Nome
> > Nachos$12.00443-
> 7992Sent
> > from My iPhone 7 
> > --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810--
> > --===6170515499548786613== Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="us-as

[Mailman-Users] bounces SMTP error 554

2017-04-22 Thread Jim Dory

I have a couple members of our list whose remote mail servers reject some
of our messages because of what appears to be text formatting in the
messages. Usually MS Office formatting. I get a bounce back ala:

"host mtaonline.net.mx1.greymail.rcimx.net [208.80.206.74]
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
554 Failed: Malformed MIME field: X-Ham-Report:
Spam detection software, running on the system "
gandalf.nomekennelclub.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as
spam.  The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or
label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see root\@localhost
for details.  Content preview:
 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important;
border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important;
background-color:white!important; } 3 topping 19 inch pizza$20.00 2
chicken fajitas and a sala [0xC2] ..."

In googling, it seems I found others have problems with the [OxC2] type
formatting as well. Just curious if there's much I can do about it or just
ignore these bounces.

Here's the original source of that particular message:

Sent from My iPhone
7=C2=A0 --=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810 Content-Type:
text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office">
 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left:
0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex
!important; background-color:white !important; } 3 topping 19 inch
pizza$20.002 chicken fajitas and a
salad$12.00Bacon cheese
burger$10.00Nome
Nachos$12.00443-7992Sent
from My iPhone 7 
--=_Part_2280092_117074804.1492908307810--
--===6170515499548786613== Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
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Re: [Mailman-Users] removing individual email headers from digest

2017-03-08 Thread Jim Dory

cool - things I didn't know about. Thanks Steve./jim

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Jim Dory writes:
>
> Warnings:
>
>  > Message-ID: line since that means nothing to the end user, and the
>
> If you have any digest subscribers with decent MUAs who are exploding
> the digest into individual messages, or treating it as a folder, and
> therefore would be able to respond to individual messages, you'll
> break threading (ie, replies will be treated as new conversations by
> many MUAs, and no MUAs will be able to keep late replies "near" the
> message they are in-reply-to -- they'll be all jumbled up ).
>
>  > Content-Type as that probably means nothing to the end user.
>
> Content-Type is essential to most MUAs to present the individual
> messages correctly.  Standard-conforming MUAs present the "raw"
> version of messages, including HTML markup and encoded characters (eg,
> foreign languages and emoticons).
>
> You're welcome to try it and see (as it turns out, most popular MUAs
> are anything but standard-conforming, so they may be able to guess
> what is meant from the context), but I would do it in the morning and
> monitor the list frequently throughout the day for cries of anguish
> from the digest subscribers.
>
> Steve
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman sending password reminders to members no longer subscribed

2016-11-02 Thread Jim Dory

Thanks Carl,

I did check that but the email reminder was specific on an unsubscribed
email address. I'm now pretty sure it was an old installation on another
server. Still waiting on a forward of the email reminder to be sure.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Carl Zwanzig <c...@tuunq.com> wrote:

> On 11/2/2016 9:08 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
>
>> Mark was helpful in his suggestions: I'll have to get one of the folks to
>> forward me the password reminder so I can look at the headers. We did
>> upgrade our package with our host company so maybe the old is still
>> active.
>>
>
> Could also be something as simple as two memberships- joeu...@domain.com
> and joeu...@mail.domain.com. I've had that happen to me, both as a user
> and as a list admin.
>
> (One case of that- the mail host sent as "u...@saltmine.radix.net" but
> saltmine didn't directly receive mail; incoming had to go to "
> u...@radix.net". I had two sub's to the same list, one set as nomail.)
>
> Later,
>
> z!
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman sending password reminders to members no longer subscribed

2016-11-02 Thread Jim Dory

Subscription only is simply emphasizing that one has to be a subscriber to
the list. Perhaps this is the only way, I don't know, nor care.

How do I know? Both users replied to the email reminder so it went to the
list owner - me. I could look at the email address on the reminder and the
email on the reminder does not exist in the list of subscribers, both cases.

Mark was helpful in his suggestions: I'll have to get one of the folks to
forward me the password reminder so I can look at the headers. We did
upgrade our package with our host company so maybe the old is still active.

thanks all, Jim



On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Jim Dory writes:
>
>  > I've gotten a couple complaints today from ex-members on our
> subscription
>  > only mailman list
>
> What do you mean by "subscription only"?  That's not a term we use as
> far as I know.
>
>  > after they received password reminders. They are not subscribed,
>
> How do you know that?
>
>  > so I can't honor their request to be removed from the mailing list.
>
> Well, they're subscribed *somewhere*.  Generally speaking, there are
> two possibilities.  First is that in the process of an upgrade, you
> ended up with two installations, one of which is basically dormant
> except for sending out password reminders or something.  Are any users
> reporting duplicate reminders?  If not, this is probably not the
> case.  On the other hand, if some users are not getting reminders at
> all, you probably do have a redundant installation that's still
> active.
>
> The second is that these users didn't unsubscribe the addresses that
> are receiving the password reminders.  One possibility is that they
> set their addresses to "no mail" rather than unsubscribing, which
> would explain not receiving posts but receiving reminders.  A second
> is that they had multiple addresses for the purpose of posting, but
> all but one were set to "no mail", and the users didn't unsubscribe
> their post-only addresses.
>
> In a stock Mailman installation the reminder message is addressed to
> the subscribed address in "To" in the header and the subscribed
> address is also present in the body.  Ask these users to check that
> these addresses are the one they unsubscribed.  Note that users may
> have changed their preferred addresses, but are still receiving
> reminders at the old address via some kind of forwarding setting.
>
> Finally, it's possible that these messages aren't from Mailman at all,
> but some kind of spoof to get them to click on a link.  Highly
> unlikely, I guess, but to be complete.
>
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[Mailman-Users] mailman sending password reminders to members no longer subscribed

2016-11-01 Thread Jim Dory

I've gotten a couple complaints today from ex-members on our subscription
only mailman list after they received password reminders. They are not
subscribed, so I can't honor their request to be removed from the mailing
list.

Any tips of ferreting out these members from some record that needs
updating?

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[Mailman-Users] Outlook blocking all email - "email harvesting"

2016-10-27 Thread Jim Dory

I've got a plan with Hawkhost on a VPS server for our community, subscriber
only, trade and announcements email list.

Outlook has completely blocked us so I've recently gotten messages from
mailman bounces that about 400 of our subscribers (all the hotmail, live,
outlook, etc. users) have been disabled.

I have signed up with the SNDS program and it reports that email is blocked
because we are "email harvesting". (I am working with Hawkhost on a trouble
ticket). I've tried to sign up with the JMRP program as well but when I
click the link I get sent back to the SNDS page and cannot figure out how
to get out of that loop to get actual user feedback complaint reports, if
any. But that is a different issue.

I am hoping you folks can shed some light on what to look for.

Here is the report after sending info to
https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsmsbl3=eformts=wsignin1.0
:

Dear James Dory

We have completed reviewing the IP(s) you submitted. The following table
contains the results of our investigation.

More information needed
198.252.110.38
There are indications that the above IP(s) are engaged in namespace mining.
Outlook.com is blocking all email sent from this IP.

Namespace mining is a method commonly used by malicious senders to generate
lists of email addresses. This approach uses automation to sift through
possible email names seeking to identify valid email addresses, e.g.,
j...@domain.com, j...@domain.com, and j...@domain.com.

You must correct the problem and you must stop the behavior described
above. We recommend that you work with your email or network administrator
to review the logs of your email servers. Check the sending log files and
concentrate on logs that are sending to nonexistent @hotmail.com, @live.com,
@msn.com, @outlook.com?with  multiple tries and
failures.
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[Mailman-Users] getting lots of approval requests for spammers

2016-10-27 Thread Jim Dory

I'm getting a ton of spam posting attempts to our subscriber only email
list - in the order of about 100 to 150 per day and growing. As I need to
keep a look out for actual member requests (sometimes a member wants to
unsubscribe or is having some problem - a non member wants to subscribe) I
have to look through these approval headers to make sure it isn't a local
person wanting something. So it becomes a pain. Most spammers use obvious
emails so I can mass delete them (harder on my phone when managing the
mail) but I'm wondering if there is something I can do to stem the flow.

I'm with Hawkhost on a VPS plan (virtual private server) so I have a bit of
control - but don't know much about what to do - if there are access/deny
lists I can somehow use. I did enable some spam controls but it didn't seem
to do anything. It would have to a server level deny list I assume like
iptables or something to reject known spammers at least, or whole domains
like from foreign companies (.it, .br, .ch , etc) and perhaps some spoofing
going on from the likes of domains such as hilton.k12.ny.us
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is not Listserv - was: Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory

No need for everyone to jump on this. Mark and I have already discussed it,
and you can read that I won't use it again.   cheers, JD

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:04 PM, am <doar9...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I agree with Mark on the abuse of the term (as well as the quality of
> product :-)) I correct this EVERYTIME I meet this abuse. earned me a
> reputation of a pedant, but the abuse has fallen off to nil.
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> On 06/17/2016 10:40 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
>> > I was using the term List-serv as a generic term meaning a mailing list
>> > people subscribe to in order to receive messages sent by members via
>> > email.
>>
>>
>> I understand that and that is exactly the usage I object to. I
>> understand I'm tilting at windmills and that I've long since lost this
>> battle, and I'm in no way trying to protect Eric Thomas' trademark, but
>> it annoys me to see Mailman conflated with Listserv because Listserv is
>> a proprietary competing product and I think Mailman and its community
>> are a better alternative.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory

Thank you Rich,

I do not subscribe anyone without making them first go through the
subscribe process. The problem we're having lately is the ISP's are not
passing on the confirmation email, so in a couple cases lately, after
confirming the user tried the process (by their word is all I got) I do
subscribe them.

Unfortunately I don't have access to the logs nor VERP settings.

thx, Jim

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:

>
> I'll second the suggestion that you split the list.  I'll also suggest
> that you do *not* subscribe anyone to the split-off instance: you should
> make them go through a COI (confirmed opt-in) process AND you should
> make certain that you retain all records of that as long as the list
> exists. ("records" being the Mailman logs and copies of any
> correspondence.)
>
>
> But let me make a general comment about this problem -- which stems
> from companies like AOL and Yahoo delegating control of part of the
> anti-spam process to their users.
>
> That's incredibly stupid.  It's off-the-scale idiotic.  It flies in
> the face of everything we've learned about spam in the past several
> decades.
>
> Consider: if users, en masse, could reliably distinguish spam from
> non-spam, would the spam problem be as bad as it is?
>
> No.  It would not.  It would only be a tiny fraction of its current scale.
>
> But users have spent the past several decade proving, beyond any
> possible argument, that they are absolutely horrible at this task.
> So delegating it to them is not only lazy, it's insane.
>
> To be clear: yes, users should be able to *report* suspected spam.
> That's why everyone should have an abuse@ address per RFC 2142
> and decades of best practices.   A user who's capable of remembering
> that, and who's capable of forwarding spam to it with full headers,
> is a user at least worth paying attention to.  (And of course the
> local admin/postmaster/abuse/whatever team should read and analyze
> every such message: that's mail system admin 101.)  But a user who
> blindly hits the spam button for any message they don't like or
> don't find useful or don't agree with or anything else is worse
> than useless: they're actively degrading the process.
>
> Dave Crocker put it quite well when he said:
>
> The best model to invoke, with respect to the idea of recruiting
> end users to be active participants in abuse detection or
> prevention is mostly:
>
> Don't.
>
> Unfortunately, the AOLs and Yahoos of the world are deaf to this.
>
> And as a result of that, I have no doubt whatsoever that many of your
> non-spam messages are being flagged as spam by users at those operations
> (and elsewhere) despite the fact that they're on-topic for a mailing list
> that they signed up for.
>
> I've found it necessary to use VERP and similar techniques to identify
> the specific individuals responsible for this abuse and to either
> (a) unsubscribe them and/or (b) ban them.  This isn't a panacea, but
> it does help cut down on the complaint rate and thus the spurious
> blacklisting.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory

I was using the term List-serv as a generic term meaning a mailing list
people subscribe to in order to receive messages sent by members via email.
I am not aware, nor care to be aware, of technical definitions between
Mailman and Listserv. I am a volunteer so those concerns are above my pay
grade. BUT - I won't use the term "listserv" here again.

Thanks for your suggestions. I am taking all those steps - though I haven't
added the header yet. I have sent several messages to users trying to
educate them (and copied to the host's trouble ticket). The host gave me an
example of a complaint received, so I tried contacting the subscriber to
see if he was satisfied or not with the service and whether or not he
wanted unsubscribed. I also asked if he would tell me how he was using his
email client in regards our messages. No response. I did unsubscribe him,
telling him he was welcome to resubscribe if it were in error.

I've started the feedback loops with AOL and Yahoo. Microsoft is
problematic.

The footer of each message/digest gives clear instructions for
unsubscribing.

thanks again, Jim

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 06/16/2016 04:04 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > So, anyone recommend more list-serv friendly hosts?
>
>
> If you're looking for listserv(r), you're in the wrong place. See
> <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20is%20not%20Listserv>.
>
> To address your actual issue, the problem is your list members are
> reporting list mail to their ISPs as spam. You MAY be able to address
> this by education. You need to ensure that no one is added to the list
> without opt-in and you need to remind members that if they don't want
> list mail, their recourse should be to unsubscribe, and that reporting
> some mail as spam will not result in selective filtering of some mail or
> action against the posters of mail they don't like, it will onlt result
> in all list mail being blocked for everyone.
>
> You may be able to negotiate with your host over measures you can take,
> but the main thing is to train users not to click the 'spam' button and
> to give them easy ways to unsubscribe and to complain to you.
>
> If you convince your host you are trying, they may understand, but they
> are stuck - your user's spam reports are giving your server's IP a bad
> reputation and causing all your mail and, if it's a shared host, other
> customer's mail too to be blocked by various ISPs. The host has to
> convince those ISPs that they are doing something about this.
>
> In the long run, just switching hosts will not solve this problem if you
> can't convince your users not to report mail from a list they signed up
> for as spam.
>
> You might try adding a msg_header and digest_header[1] with a "you are
> receiving this mail because you subscribed to ... To unsubscribe, ...
> Please don't report this as spam ..." type of message.
>
> [1] Depending on your list's content filtering, and your user's MUAs,
> *_header may be problematic and editing *_footer may be better. See
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707>.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam, abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory

Thanks for replies!

I've discovered the Mailman document dealing with this issue:
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/All%20messages%20from%20my%20list%20are%20being%20rejected%20by%20AOL%20%28or%20hotmail%2C%20or%20Yahoo%21%20or%20Google%20Gmail-googlemail%2C%20etc...%29%20as%20spam%2C
and apologies for not finding it before posting.

So I've tried creating feedback loops as per the instructions there with
Yahoo, AOL (who uses them anymore?) and Microsoft. Microsoft requires
confirmation from the host so I haven't been able to get them onboard yet.
But I've taken these steps and outlined them to the host, but I haven't
heard back. I also tried whitelisting with Yahoo but they too want the
owner of the IP address (the host) to apply - and I don't think I can get
Hawkhost to do that. At least they haven't responded yet about it. If I
were them I would probably be reluctant as well, not knowing about our
list-serv.

With the feedback loops I hope I can identify the offenders (those on our
list that are marking messages as spam) and work with them to either get
them to unsubscribe or educate them on how to manage the messages. (there
can be 20-30 messages a day on a busy day.)

thanks, Jim

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:06 AM, John <mailman-ow...@rx7-world.net> wrote:

> On 6/17/16 9:21 AM, Jim Dory wrote:
> > We have mounting complaints from AOL,
> >> Yahoo and Hotmail
>
> I think that says it all...  I have regular issues with the free email
> services,
> requiring email exchanges with their IT groups. Every time they tighten the
> SPAM/UCE rules, all hell breaks loose.  :-/   At one time I was even
> considering
> just dropping all free email service subscribers.
>
> I've run my mailman lists for over 6 years now on my own VMs hosted by
> LINODE.
> Makes me responsible for my own IPs & their reputation...  I used to use Go
> Daddy VMs, but they used a common out going email server pool, more like a
> cesspool. Had lots of problems because Go Daddy IP blocks were always on
> somebodies block list. :-(
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory

So, anyone recommend more list-serv friendly hosts?

/jim

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Jim Dory <ja...@dorydesign.com> wrote:

> We have a community list-serv for local trade and community announcements
> with a subscriber base of nearly 2200 people. Our police and city use it
> for public service announcements, people use it for selling/trading
> virtually anything (seal oil, outboards, guns, blue berries, you name it)
> and is by subscription only.
>
> If someone is not a member, they cannot post. When a member posts, it goes
> to all others subscribers.
>
> Any suggestions on how to answer this:
>
> Here is the threat (hopefully I've removed personal emails from it):
>
> Hello,
>
> These cross promotion posts from your mailing list will need to cease or
> we will not host you any further. We have mounting complaints from AOL,
> Yahoo and Hotmail with some of which are now blocking the server you're on
> specifically because of your mailings. This is not isolated to a single set
> of users complaining it's a large amount that is enough for these providers
> to take action. Here's an example of Hotmail complaining today:
>
> X-HmXmrOriginalRecipient: < <tylerwc...@hotmail.com>snip>
> X-Reporter-IP: 72.169.153.180
> X-Message-Guid: e33ffe03-30cf-11e6-80b9-00215ad73ee2
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> k6HwMHyTEbaui0SFrS8NYUVpqQ8zI3RRBiLXYw949+B
> Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is
> 198.252.106.58) smtp.mailfrom=nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com;
> dkim=pass header.d=nomekennelclub.com; x-hmca=pass header.id=
> nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
> X-SID-PRA: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
> X-AUTH-Result: PASS
> X-SID-Result: PASS
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> To: nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com
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[Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory

We have a community list-serv for local trade and community announcements
with a subscriber base of nearly 2200 people. Our police and city use it
for public service announcements, people use it for selling/trading
virtually anything (seal oil, outboards, guns, blue berries, you name it)
and is by subscription only.

If someone is not a member, they cannot post. When a member posts, it goes
to all others subscribers.

Any suggestions on how to answer this:

Here is the threat (hopefully I've removed personal emails from it):

Hello,

These cross promotion posts from your mailing list will need to cease or we
will not host you any further. We have mounting complaints from AOL, Yahoo
and Hotmail with some of which are now blocking the server you're on
specifically because of your mailings. This is not isolated to a single set
of users complaining it's a large amount that is enough for these providers
to take action. Here's an example of Hotmail complaining today:

X-HmXmrOriginalRecipient: < snip>
X-Reporter-IP: 72.169.153.180
X-Message-Guid: e33ffe03-30cf-11e6-80b9-00215ad73ee2
x-store-info:qAUQJzZ73IJCLUJ+0n7ZQ5Y+hDtA5T0pTzngeWExSOA+js5BQ3esJZEb/
hCqmGYMGDPlv0qhfifSNEBY0EeR7jdY3RHpNqJWr7fgFVdKgCT42ZLOh4B1Z
k6HwMHyTEbaui0SFrS8NYUVpqQ8zI3RRBiLXYw949+B
Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is 198.252.106.58)
smtp.mailfrom=nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com; dkim=pass header.d=
nomekennelclub.com; x-hmca=pass header.id=
nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
X-SID-PRA: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
X-AUTH-Result: PASS
X-SID-Result: PASS
X-Message-Status: n:n
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MztHRD0zO1NDTD00
X-Message-Info: JfKzZGNUCEyn6uZ8X2pDbY1Het57KTCuLVm3gAtPdrrl2td44M/
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Re: [Mailman-Users] confirm email marked as spam - reduce unique identifier length?

2016-05-17 Thread Jim Dory

Thanks much guys, you've given me direction. I seem to only have access to
the /home directory on the server and the trouble ticket guys are saying
they can't make changes.. so pursuing those avenues. This is above my pay
grade as far as understanding MTAs, but can edit files via shell as I have
run linux servers in the past. The list in question has about 2100
subscribers - it is a community announcements and trade list - and I'm the
admin but don't make any money off it - just a volunteer.

Stephen:
The "simpler" was in a line from a quote from the tech support guys at the
host company. I see I didn't make that clear. I've asked them for more
clear directions on accessing the mm_cfg file or at least to verify the
current settings in it, as I don't seem to have permissions for the /etc
directory.
thx, JD

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <step...@xemacs.org>
wrote:

> On May 15, 2016 9:47:50 PM PDT, Jim Dory <ja...@dorydesign.com> wrote:
>
>  > >I believe that the subject of the confirmation email "confirm
>  > >40c7fa45251ce14ecd7c26c712648332fa3b326b" is triggering the spam
>  > >experts filter. Is it possible to reduce the subject line to
>  > >something simpler?
>
> That depends on your definition of "simple".  From the point of view
> of the would-be subscriber, this is as simple as it gets.  Just hit
> "reply", then "send", and she's done.  The token itself could be
> reduced, but it's still going to be at *least* 5 or 6 characters, and
> then it looks like spam to me.  I've gotten lots of spam from people
> who put a 4-8 character ticket identifier in the Subject field.
>
> Mark Sapiro writes:
>
>  > Whoever manages the Mailman installation should set
>  >
>  > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
>  >
>  > In mm_cfg.py. This may or may not require MTA changes to recognize
>  > '+' as a recipient delimiter.
>
> Note: this works by putting the confirmation token in the return
> address after a '+'.  So it is *your* MTA that needs to recognize '+'
> as ending the mailbox.  The confirmation message sent to the person
> trying to subscribe goes to their usual address, so isn't a problem.
> All the necessary configuration can be done at your end.  Whether your
> host will help you is up to them, of course, but most sites that
> support Mailman already have that configuration.
>
>
>
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[Mailman-Users] confirm email marked as spam - reduce unique identifier length?

2016-05-16 Thread Jim Dory

Hello,

I manage a community list-serv and our host - Hawkhost.com , has had their
servers marking our subscription confirmation emails as spam so the end
user never sees them. They are held at the Hawkhost servers. In a trouble
ticket to them, they have postulated the following possible solution:

"
I believe that the subject of the confirmation email "confirm
40c7fa45251ce14ecd7c26c712648332fa3b326b" is triggering the spam experts
filter. Is it possible to reduce the subject line to something simpler? "

I do not know the answer - if it is possible to reduce that unique
identifier or not, or whether that would even help.

This trouble ticket has been ongoing for the last week and they have
released the held confirmation emails, but every new attempt at subscribing
is still blocked (held at their spam expert software quarantine or
whatever).

Suggestions? I manage the list for the community, but it is hosted by a
local club so would be a bit cumbersome to simply "change hosts". Plus we
have about 4GB of archives.

thanks for reading and any help.. Jim
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[Mailman-Users] trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan

2004-09-06 Thread Jim Dory

I'm a newb with this and am a bit overwhelmed with the installation and 
docs. Been searching the archives but hoping for quick help, as I 
suspect I made a dumb error.

I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable 
mailman. Using Sendmail. I have it working more or less on local lan, 
but outside of it, email clients do not receive mail from it. They can 
send. I get error messages locally to my root and user email accounts on 
the server every 5 minutes or so:

Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:39:53 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
Parts/Attachments:
  1   Shown 5 lines  Text
  2   Shown 1 KB Message, Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/python 
-S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
  2.1 Shown10 lines  Text


You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [ Part 2: Included Message ]
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:30:02 -0800
From: Cron Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 284, in ?
   main()
 File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 259, in main
   lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 243, in lock
   self.__write()
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 422, in __write
   fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/usr/local/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.linux.23031.0'


Here's a snip of my mm_cfg.py:
###
# Here's where we get the distributed defaults.
from Defaults import *
##
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.dorydesign.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dorydesign.com'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

(I thought you would add the actual host names under the add_virtualhost 
line but it returns errors when trying to start or stop mailman).

I figure it is probably a simple mistake or overlook. Hopefully someone 
can lend a hand. I can post more info - just not sure what is needed. My 
/etc/aliases contains the suggested aliases from the INSTALL.  My hosts 
file has 127.0.0.1 localhost and then also its IP Address and 
linux.local (the name of server). Not sure if I need to add anything 
more there.

Perhaps I just need more in my mm_cfg.py file ? or perhaps a permission 
problem with cron?

Thank you very much for reading and also to anyone who may offer 
ideas/inquiries!!!

cheers, JD.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan

2004-09-06 Thread Jim Dory

PS: I forgot to mention I am connecting behind a linksys router (I added 
port 25 in port forward) and connect via cable modem. And I believe the 
isp (gci.net) allows port 25.

Jim Dory wrote:
I'm a newb with this and am a bit overwhelmed with the installation 
and docs. Been searching the archives but hoping for quick help, as I 
suspect I made a dumb error.

I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable 
mailman. Using Sendmail. I have it working more or less on local lan, 
but outside of it, email clients do not receive mail from it. They can 
send. I get error messages locally to my root and user email accounts 
on the server every 5 minutes or so:

Thank you very much for reading and also to anyone who may offer 
ideas/inquiries!!!

cheers, JD.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan

2004-09-06 Thread Jim Dory

Dan Phillips wrote:

Have you run bin/check_perms -f ? the obvious cause of the error is a 
permission issue, but check_perms doesn't always find everything. 
FWIW, my locks directory is 775 and the lock files themselves are 664. 
Before even messing with that, however, if you have no need for the 
NNTP gate, then comment out the gate_news in the mailman crontab and 
you don't have to worry about it :-)

BTW, did you install from source? If so, know that Mailman-2.1.5 (the 
latest) requires python 2.3.

Dan

Dan Phillips
Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
site administrator: music.memphis.edu

Hello Dan,
Thanks for the reply! 

Check_perms had some errors and with -f it no longer reports any errors.
The problem could well be the older python version. I installed python 
via a package on the Suse 7.3 disks as I could not find one that worked 
otherwise. I downloaded the latest source for python and I got back gcc 
./configure errors. I found an rpm of python that was perhaps for suse 8 
and it didn't work either. So that is why I went with the older python. 
The only one I could get to install.  I could search more for an 
upgrade, but didn't have luck the first time.  I've thought of upgrading 
to Debian on the server but really didn't want to go through the hassle 
(learning curve and time)- but maybe that would be an alternative.

I'll try commenting out the NNTP gate (haven't researched what it is yet 
- don't even know if I need it). Locks directory under 
/usr/local/mailman is drwxrwsr-x, as is all of those directories.

But if it ain't gonna work with python 2.1.1, maybe that is where my 
attention should lie?

As an aside, should I reply to the list? When I hit reply, or reply-all, 
it does not include the mailman list. Seems odd.

cheers, JD
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