Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
Mark, I have updated the script to fix this. Just a quick note to thank you for the fix. Muchly appreciated! -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, Adjunct Admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
Way way back in August 2016, we had a problem with submitting too
many members via the web interface. As a solution, the following
was suggested:
You'd need a custom script to do the 'extra text'. I have added an
invite_members script I use at
<https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/invite_members> and
<https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/invite_members> This can send
invitations including the 'extra text'.
We used this script with great success in Aug 2017 and 2018. But
this year we've run into a problem. When I submit the script it
appears to hang waiting for some kind of lock. I can see this
when I eventually CTRL-C out.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mladmin/Util/invite_members", line 236, in ?
main()
File "/home/mladmin/Util/invite_members", line 197, in main
mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 129, in
__init__
self.Lock()
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 162, in
Lock
self.__lock.lock(timeout)
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in
lock
self.__sleep()
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in
__sleep
time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt
In the past we've used the script from a non-priv'd account with
no problems. When it failed this time, I tried running it as
'mailman' but it still hangs on the lock. Any suggestions?
(BTW, the line numbers will be different from the original script
because of some debug print statements and additional comments
added.)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects
Hello - FWIW, I've seen this recently from Yahoo as well, and have been unable to get a reponse from Yahoo about it. It seems very likely that, as Grant Taylor suggests, its a filtering issue. It's been an occasional recommendation here for users of high priority lists to use a mail provider other than Yahoo, for more or less this reason. Our guess is that if a user or users report mailing list messages as spam, instead of unsubscribing, Yahoo's filter may begin mistreating list messages from a given source as spam for a time - usually a week or two. Yahoo's lack of outbound communication, and the 5xy rejection code for an active user make unravelling this more of a challenge than it need be. -- Tim You recently wrote to the UNH Mailing List Server Admin: On 03/16/2018 01:57 PM, Jim Dory wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: MAILER-DAEMON@domain2.example To: nome-announce-bounces@domain1.example Cc: Bcc: Date: Subject: Delivery failure Message from domain2.example. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). <redacted1@domain2.example <redacted2@domain2.example>>: This user doesn't have a domain2.example account (redacted1@domain2.example <redacted2@domain2.example>) [0] Okay. That seems like a generic "non existent user" type response. (I've snipped the address) ;-) I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last couple days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally, they respond that - yes, they are still there. Okay. So Yahoo is returning 5xy errors that make it seem like the recipient address is invalid for known good recipient addresses. It sounds like some sort of filtering is either mis-behaving or poorly configured to me. Has there been any noise about Yahoo on mailop about this new behavior? -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP! Just broke Mailman with a bogus list.
Mark Sapiro recently wrote... I would be interested in knowing what's wrong and how it happened. Unfortunately, this issue probably prevents even running withlist on this list. I.e., Mailman's 'bin/withlist LISTNAME' will probably throw the same error. It does. I did try compiling the original configuration file I used to create the list and there were no syntax errors. But then I would expect a config file with syntax errors not to be accepted when creating a new list. To "fix" the problem just move the lists/LISTNAME directory containing the config.pck and perhaps a few other files out of the lists/ directory. That worked and was my first instinct, but I didn't know if that might cause other issues -- having a list directory that Mailman was 'expecting' to suddenly be gone. In any case, moving the list's own subdirectory out of `~mailman/lists` directory got the `list_lists` command line and `mailman/listinfo` web page working again. So the good news is that it was definitely this new list that threw a spanner into the machinery, and not some other mysterious event. Thanks for the fix. The files you requested are on the way. -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, Adjunct Admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] HELP! Just broke Mailman with a bogus list.
I just added a new list where I wanted to experiment with the topics feature. But after adding the list, the list_lists utility no longer works: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mladmin/Util/MM2/list_lists", line 130, in main() File "/home/mladmin/Util/MM2/list_lists", line 100, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 131, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 698, in Load self.CheckValues() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 780, in CheckValues for name, pattern, desc, emptyflag in self.topics: ValueError: too many values to unpack And when I tried to delete the list, I got a similar error: $ ~mailman/bin/rmlist test.list.topics Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/rmlist", line 161, in main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/rmlist", line 116, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 131, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 698, in Load self.CheckValues() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 780, in CheckValues for name, pattern, desc, emptyflag in self.topics: ValueError: too many values to unpack I am assuming it is this last list that I added that is causing the problem. How can I back this out without using the rmlist utility? Using Mailman version: 2.1.20 -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, Adjunct Admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Message List
Yesterday, I asked: Is there a way, with mailman 2.1.24 to sort the Pending Moderator Requests list in something other than alphabetically? Chronologically would be especially helpful. And Mark answered: > Yes. > First of all, the "Discard messages marked Defer" selection will not > discard any messages which aren't listed and marked Defer on the page > when you submit it, so you don't need to worry about discarding messages >that arrived after you loaded the page. VERY good to know... HOWEVER, since my moderator list of deferrals has both SPAM and a few members set to moderate, and I check these moderated members' messages as I encounter them on the list, that means the list is being reloaded after each moderated message I handle, so my fear is justified (though I wish it were not)... > As far as sorting is concerned, if you can update the server config or > influence those that can I can do both/either # Shall the admindb held message summary display the grouping and sorting # option radio buttons? Set this in mm_cfg.py to one of the following: # SSENDER -> Default to grouped and sorted by sender. # SSENDERTIME -> Default to grouped by sender and sorted by time. # STIME -> Default to ungrouped and sorted by time. DISPLAY_HELD_SUMMARY_SORT_BUTTONS = No Key question here: does this impact ALL lists on the server, or just my list? I have not mucked about with configuration settings for the list, save those on the Admin web page(s), and we have several lists managed by other people, whose toes I'd like to avoid trampling upon... -- Jack Hill, W4KH - BoatAnchors Listowner/Archiver "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" "Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent jamais d'idee" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Moderator Message List
Is there a way, with mailman 2.1.24 to sort the Pending Moderator Requests list in something other than alphabetically? Chronologically would be especially helpful. The list I manage is subscriber-only post, and with loads of SPAM and a few members on moderate, I am concerned that by the time I reach the end of the list of messages with status "defer" something from a member may be added to the list and get deleted if I select "Discard messages marked Defer" Ideas? -- Jack Hill, W4KH - BoatAnchors Listowner/Archiver "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" "Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent jamais d'idee" -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Users being unsubscribed without requesting it.
Steve- Just a thought, but since the "unsubscribe link" has been part of the output of your list, it is possible that someone other than the recipient sees the link and clicks on it, either in malice or error (trying to unsubscribe themselves) -- Jack Hill, W4KH - BoatAnchors Listowner/Archiver list...@nanniandjack.com "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" "Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent jamais d'idee" On 2017-08-19 10:00, Steve Wehr wrote: > That's the best theory I have heard so far to explain the facts. > > The user's in question, who are being unsubscribed without asking to be, are > people who like the mailing lists they are on, and would not be flagging > emails from the list as spam. Now their ISP might, but they wouldn't. The > list owners swear to me that these people are friends who want their emails. > > Some further info... I was including a link at the bottom of all emails sent > by mailman (in the msg_footer field: > "Click this link to unsubscribe: > %(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)s=1=1" > > I thought perhaps users were accidentally clicking this and unsubscribing > themselves, so I have removed the "=1" part of the URL so they > will have to manually confirm. > > Maybe this would foil ISPs who are automatically following this link to > unsubscribe people. Do ISPs really do this? > > _ > Steve Wehr > Tunedin Web Design > > -Original Message- > From: Keith Seyffarth [mailto:w...@weif.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:55 AM > To: Steve Wehr > Cc: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Users being unsubscribed without requesting it. > > "Steve Wehr" <st...@tunedinweb.com> writes: > > > >> The problem is that when contacted, these users swear they DID NOT >> unsubscribe themselves. So how can they be getting unsubscribed (with >> messages in the logs like the one above) but they are not going to the >> member options page and unsubscribing?? > > One possibility would be that they are marking these messages as "Junk" > or "Spam" and their ESP/ISP, either through a manual or automated process, > is following the unsubscribe link in the email to remove them from the > list... -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
Mark Sapiro recently wrote (in part): You could use the script ... to list the pending subscriptions. Some may have been accepted already, so the fact that one isn't there doesn't mean it wasn't sent, but if you know the order from the original input, you can probably figure how far it got. Between being able to see who is now already subscribed from my original list, and looking at the pending subscription requests, I should be able to figure out who we've missed. Thanks for pointing out yet another useful MM2 utility! -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
Mark, once again thank you for your valued expertise... With regards to the failed thousand invitations submission via the Web UI: The admin CGI is processing the mass subscribe/invite list. While it is doing this it is not generating any output. If it takes 'too long' the web server will time out waiting for output from the CGI. Makes perfect sense. (I wonder if MM3 uses Ajax or other web techniques to provide some sort of progress indicator to prevent this from happening.) So when Apache timed out, would it have killed the admin CGI on the way out? In other words, would the admin script still run to completion and send out all the invitations from that batch? Or is it most likely to have been a partial run? Am I correct that the only place I will find a record of the invitations sent will be in the Sendmail mail logs? I'd like to avoid sending dup invites if possible. Thanks for pointer to the command line invitation script. I'll add it to my growing arsenal. -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
Dear Mailman Cognoscenti, I'm helping one of my list owners send out 5K plus invitations to students to subscribe to his mailing list. Our current configuration: Mailman v2.1.20 RHEL v5.11 Semdmail v8.13.8 Apache v2.2.3 Since this was the first time doing this, I suggested breaking the batch input into 3 groups, 50, 500, and the rest. The 50 went fine, as did the 500, but the largest batch gave him a generic web server error: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, r...@conundrum.unh.edu and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. I looked at the logs and I couldn't find anything that hinted at what went wrong. So I asked the owner to send me the last back and I'd give it a try. I wrote a script that removed folks already subscribed to his list and split the remaining subscribers up into 6 files with a thousand records each. I just tried uploading the 1st batch of 1K, with the following options: Subscribe these users now... (*) Invite Send welcome message... (*) No Send notifications...(*) No And entered a 7 line paragraph explaining the invitation. I ended up having the same error happen. Looking at the Mailman logs, I can't see any difference before or after my submission. In the HTTPD logs, I see: [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [warn] [client 132.177.215.132] Timeout waiting for output from CGI script /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin, referer: https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [error] [client 132.177.215.132] Premature end of script headers: admin, referer: https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add So is there an inherent limit to the number of invites that can be submitted via the web form? As a work around, how would I do large invites on behalf of the owner from the command line, including the 'extra text' that is allowed via the web interface? -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Cloning a Mailman server to a virtual machine.
Dear Mailman Cognoscenti, We have Mailman (and ListProc) running on a physical machine which needs to be decommissioned. Cloning the system to a virtual machine (VM) shouldn't be a problem, but I am unsure about the tasks needed to make a smooth transition. I've looked at several articles about moving Mailman to new hardware, but a lot of the lower level service details are not mentioned. Here's my first stab at what I think needs to be done. Mailman v2.1.20 RHEL v5.11 Semdmail v8.13.8 Apache v2.2.3 After informing the list owners of date/time mailing list services will be unavailable, at the appointed time... On the existing machine: 1. stop cron sudo service crond stop 2. stop Sendmail sudo service sendmail stop 3. stop Apache sudo apachectl stop 4. stop Mailman sudo service mailmain stop 5. stop ListProc su --command=/home/server/stop server 6. check mail queue sudo mailq 7. Wait ?? for machine to quiet down? Clone existing system to VM. 8. shutdown old machine 9. boot VM clone 10. test email and lists 11. alert list owners My concern is that a mailing list server is a very stateful beast, so I want to avoid sending duplicate posts/digests, or accidentally dropping new postings on the floor. Thanks for any insights you may have to offer on the process. -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
CN> What I have done is modify the clone_list command to combine the CN> renaming/cloning of a list and include an option to rebuild the CN> archives. However, the archives will not be rebuilt if the CN> scrub_nondigest setting is Yes. Sounds like a worthwhile enhancement. MS> I will try adding it to my script and doing a bit of testing, but I MS> think it will be fine. Does this mean it will be included in the next release of MM v2? As for getting off on the right foot for a new list, as part of our new list application process... http://lists.unh.edu/MM/NewList/ we have the new list owner pick an initial flavor for their list -- announce, discussion, moderated. The backend uses one of three MM list definition templates to apply the appropriate defaults for the given list type. I used this system for about 15 years with ListProc and it has always worked well. (I'd offer the share the code, but it is in Perl. It has extensive commenting, but would still probably take a fair amount of grokking and hacking to get it to work at a new site. It was never designed to distributed.) BTW -- if anyone goes through the application process above to take a look, please use the list name 'bogus.list' so I can ignore/delete it. -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List System Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] HyperKitty and Mailman V2
HyperKitty looks really good. The scription says... "HyperKitty is a Django-based application providing a web interface to access GNU Mailman v3 archives, and interact with the lists." Does anybody know off hand if there is there any reason it couldn't be used with Mailman V2? -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List System Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce email going to list server admin not list owner...
Thanks to both Mark (MS) and Stephen for their replies.
MS> All I can suggest is you look at your MTA logs and try to
MS> determine to what message this is a response and what generated
MS> this message.
I track down the original message id, here's what I found in the MTA
logs...
1) Msg from sally.non.member@ to the.list-owner@
Now the 'Added to list' subject line starts to make sense.
2) Msg from mailman-bounces to the list owners which so happens to
include Joe.Anybody who is both a subscriber and an owner of the
list.
So it looks like message bounces to a list owner go to the list server
admin, which is definitely desirable and appropriate.
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Use the logs, Luke -- *all* of the
logs." Thanks for helping me figure this out.
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[Mailman-Users] Bounce email going to list server admin not list owner...
Didn't have luck researching this question. I (the list server admin)
recently received the following bounce notice:
From joe.anyb...@example.edu Wed Feb 24 15:55:18 2016
Return-Path: <mailman-l...@lists.example.edu>
From: "Anybody, Joe" <joe.anyb...@example.edu>
To: Xyz.Forum <mailman-boun...@lists.example.edu>
Subject: Automatic reply: Added to the list
Thread-Topic: Added to the list
X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All
X-MS-Exchange-Inbox-Rules-Loop: joe.anyb...@example.edu
auto-submitted: auto-generated
x-ms-exchange-generated-message-source: Mailbox Rules Agent
Errors-To: mailman-l...@lists.example.edu
Sender: "Mailman" <mailman-l...@lists.example.edu>
Subject: Automatic reply: Added to the list
I am out of the office...
I don't understand why this bounce went to the server admin list...
mailman-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
and not the bounce address for the specific list involved...
xyz.forum-bounces: |"/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces xyz.forum"
It is apparent from the "To:" that the name of the list involved was
known. I did a dump of the "Xyz.Forum" list's config for what appear
to be the relevant parameters:
bounce_processing = True
bounce_score_threshold = 5.0
bounce_info_stale_after = 7
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 3
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval = 7
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = True
bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment = 1
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = True
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = True
And I searched the logs for entries specific to this list and/or this
particular subscriber:
subscribe:Jan 29 08:51:54 2016 (22963) xyz.forum: pending Joe Anybody
<joe.anyb...@example.edu> rl-cz364x1.ad.example.edu
subscribe:Jan 29 08:54:30 2016 (23022) xyz.forum: new Joe Anybody
<joe.anyb...@example.edu>, via admin approval
vette:Jan 29 08:53:18 2016 (3783) xyz.forum: held subscription request from
joe.anyb...@example.edu
There is nothing in the `bounce` itself log that appears to be related
to either.
I don't mind getting bounces where a specific list is unknown, but
list specific bounces really need to go to the list owner. We have
far too many lists to do otherwise.
- Using Mailman version: 2.1.20
- Python 2.4.3 (#1, Oct 23 2012, 22:02:41)
- Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.11 (Tikanga)
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[Mailman-Users] web interface for sync_members redux
I see that people have requested in the past a web interface to the syn_members functionality, and found at least two patches to modify the current web interface to do this. At this early stage of the game with Mailman, I'm not willing to be doing things like patching Mailman, so I was wondering if anyone has solved this problem with a stand-alone CGI script that handles the required list owner authentication? Lacking that, is there a way that I could confirm a list's password from the command line so I could roll my own CGI script to expose a transaction service for a select group of my list owners? (Along with the authentication requirement I would also limit its use to only certain lists.) - Using Mailman version: 2.1.20 - Python 2.4.3 (#1, Oct 23 2012, 22:02:41) - Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.11 (Tikanga) -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List System Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] web interface for sync_members redux
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> recently wrote, in part... See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/4030648> and the members.c program attached... Thanks for the reference. The issue with the members.c approach is it has no good way to do the authentication and neither does the calling CGI or PHP script. I see your point. Perhaps I can approach this from a different angle. It would be easy for me to authenticate the owner against our LDAP. I just have to tie the LDAP account to the list, and I can do that by email address. And of course I need to make it clear to the owner that they are using their local UNH account credentials, not their Mailman credentials. This seems doable given the tools I have on hand and members.c program as a launching pad. Once again, thanks for your help! -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List System Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
Hello,
$ bin/config_list -o - REGISTER | grep -A20 header_filter_rules
header_filter_rules = [('^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$', 7,
False), ('^X-Mailer-LID: .*$', 3, False), ('^X-Mailer-RecptId: .*$', 3,
False), ('^X-Mailer-SID: .*$', 3, False), ('^X-Mailer-Sent-By: .*$', 3,
False), ('^X-Spam-Status: Yes.*$', 3, False), ('^X-Spam-Flag: YES', 3,
False), ('^X-Virus-Status: Yes', 3, False), ('^X-Bogosity-Metu: Yes', 3,
False)]
# Use this option to prohibit posts according to specific header values.
# The target value is a regular-expression for matching against the
# specified header. The match is done disregarding letter case. Lines
# beginning with '#' are ignored as comments.
#
# For example:to: .*@public.com says to hold all postings with a To:
# mail header containing '@public.com' anywhere among the addresses.
#
# Note that leading whitespace is trimmed from the regexp. This can be
# circumvented in a number of ways, e.g. by escaping or bracketing it.
bounce_matching_headers = ''
## Bounce options
#
# These policies control the automatic bounce processing system in
# Mailman. Here's an overview of how it works.
#
# pWhen a bounce is received, Mailman tries to extract two pieces of
# information from the message: the address of the member the message
---
I will post the logs a few days later, just to make sure that it has the
needed info.
Thanks,
On 02/06/2013 06:24 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
METU E-List Admin wrote:
^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$ has single spacing between the
colon and the parenthesis. The screenshot is taken using Chrome on Ubuntu.
The screenshot is problematic for the reason that it is incomplete. The
whole page is not shown and the content of some of the text boxes is
longer than the box. It would be much better to post something like
the relevant part of
bin/config_list -o - LISTNAME | grep -A20 header_filter_rules
to provide this information.
We have removed the Mailman version number using the configuration file.
I think that configuration also removes the version number from the
headers. If it is a problem, we can convert it to the original state.
I don't think this would be a problem. The question still remains as to
why your header_filter_rules rule is apparently not working.
You could try applying the attached patch to
Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py and restarting Mailman. This will
produce a 'debug' log in Mailman's logs/ directory with information
about all the header_filter_rules hits which may help find what's
going wrong.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
Thank you for your support. I have changed the regexp to
^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*).*$
and I will watch for the next emails. I will also watch for the logs for
a few days, then revert back to original file.
Thanks
On 02/12/2013 08:37 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
METU E-List Admin wrote:
$ bin/config_list -o - REGISTER | grep -A20 header_filter_rules
header_filter_rules = [('^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$', 7,
This regexp won't work. The negative lookahead does not advance the
current position so your regexp says look for 'X-Mailer: ' at the
beginning of the line not followed by 'Microsoft Outlook .*' but
followed immediately by the end of the line, so it will only match a
header like 'X-Mailer: ' not followed by anything.
What you want is
^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*).*$
or just
^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)
or maybe even just
^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook )
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Re: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
I have added ^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$ as the first rule and set to Hold according to your instructions. I tried to block all mails except the mails from MS Outlook. However today, I received an email with header like: X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 I couldn't understand why this header did not go to pending moderator requests. On 01/30/2013 12:33 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: METU E-List Admin wrote: In some of our lists, we are receiving excessive spam messages. We analyzed the spam messages and found that they have similar headers. As a result, we developed the following list: ^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$ ^X-mailer: .*$ This includes the one above it. ^X-Mailer-LID: .*$ ^X-Mailer-RecptId: .*$ ^X-Mailer-SID: .*$ ^X-Mailer-Sent-By: .*$ ^X-Spam-Status: Yes.*$ ^X-Spam-Flag: YES ^X-Virus-Status: Yes We don't want to receive any mails from external mail systems, only real persons can send emails. We enter this list to the bounce_matching_headers part (in the admin panel, under Spam Filtering). bounce_matching_headers doesn't work that way. See the '(Details for bounce_matching_headers' link. Regexps like the above should go in header_filter_rules with an appropriate action. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
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[Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
Hello, In some of our lists, we are receiving excessive spam messages. We analyzed the spam messages and found that they have similar headers. As a result, we developed the following list: ^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$ ^X-mailer: .*$ ^X-Mailer-LID: .*$ ^X-Mailer-RecptId: .*$ ^X-Mailer-SID: .*$ ^X-Mailer-Sent-By: .*$ ^X-Spam-Status: Yes.*$ ^X-Spam-Flag: YES ^X-Virus-Status: Yes We don't want to receive any mails from external mail systems, only real persons can send emails. We enter this list to the bounce_matching_headers part (in the admin panel, under Spam Filtering). However, we couldn't make this list processed by Mailman. We also couldn't understand in what part we are doing wrong. Can you please assist us in this situation? Thanks, Note: We are using Mailman 2.1.13 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] A question about IncomingRunner
Hello, We are using Mailman 2.1.13 from Debian repositories (which is the latest version for squeeze). We are facing late mail delivery problems and after some research, we think we managed to overcome these problems by changing some configuration options. Although Mailman seems to running fine, we have observed an issue. The issue is related with IncomingRunner. This qrunner process takes up approx. 1 GB RAM and sometimes causes high loads. We couldn't determine what causes high RAM and CPU usages. The question is; this is an expected result of Mailman process? If not, how can we determine the root cause of this problem? Thanks, -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Filter to discard facebook invitations
Why doesn't the following discard_these_nonmembers filter work for facebook invitations: ^...@]*@facebookmail.com -John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Sending to Verizon users.
Banging my head against the wall ( and it hurts..) On the different list from our Mailman mail list server, the mail goes out fine except for users with a verizon.net address. Here is a typical syslog entry: Jun 26 12:57:29 secure sm-mta[13001]: k5QJv2Gt012804: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=176103, relay=relay.verizon.net. [206.46.232.11], dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable But if I send that user an email from that same server (but not from Mailman) the log shows: Jun 26 14:23:05 secure sendmail[15184]: k5QLN5UB015181: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=120295, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (k5QLN5kD015185 Message accepted for delivery) Jun 26 14:23:12 secure sm-mta[15195]: k5QLN5kD015185: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:07, xdelay=00:00:07, mailer=esmtp, pri=120469, relay=relay.verizon.net. [206.46.232.11], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (2.5.0 Ok.) I'm at a loss. All the other mail gets delivered properly but not the verizon.net mail. This is a Debian system with Mailman version 2.1.5-8 (Debian's stable version). Any ideas? Thanks, Ken -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting + virtual domain mailman
Hi list, I'm sure this is a redundant question but i search a quiet good method to allow my users to get the same maillist name for different domains. I use Postfix with virtual alias and mailbox suport on a mysql server. Like: test@test.com is different of [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a google/archive search i've read somes solutions : 1/ run more than one mailman, but it is not possible for me. 2/ Use a test-test.com style and canonical postfix method, but the sent mail is not clearly [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/ Use a patch for mailman (http://al.blog.free.fr/mailman/mailman-vh-2.1.5.patch or http://mithrandr.moria.org/blog/139.html). But they don't seem work very well when i tryed them. All this solutions don't work for me ... Do you have a solution? a working patch? Someone had succeed to do what i want whith the same implementation (Postfix...)? thanks. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] messages not archiving
Hello, I've recently upgraded my list hosting server by essentially doing a fresh install on a new server and then recreating the lists and transferring over their archives over. I ran bin/arch and pickled the mailboxes. Everything is working fine, except the messages are not posting to the archives. What did I miss? I'm desperate to get this fixed. Any ideas would be welcome. Best wishes, Rae -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] messages not archiving (fixed)
Hello, I finally was able to fix it. While delving into the server to see if anything would catch my eye I noticed that some of the ownerships were set to root so I chowned everything under archives/private to mailman:mailman and then ran bin/unshunt and it seemed to do the trick. :) Best wishes, Rae -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] filtering body content
Hello everyone, I know that it has been asked many many times but I haven't seen any solutions posted about how to filter the body content of the messages. Does someone have a solution for that? Or even a work-around? Best wishes, Rae -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] changing my account info to this list
Apologies for this off topic question but could some one tell me where to go to change my account info please? Would like to change the email address I am using to a different one. Many thanks Sally J -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] error/success log
Title: error/success log Greets, Is there anybody in mailman a error/success log or something else, where i can see, which mails where send correct and which not? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list
See my message yesterday: In General Options, go down a few more slots to this: -- Host name this list prefers for email. (Details for host_name) -- Best regards, List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.antennex.com - Original Message - From: Dirk Försterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linda Pahdoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list Linda Pahdoco wrote: When you create the list, create it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of just as listname. How can this be done with the web interface? I only get a message that a list must not contain a @. -dirk -- D i r k F o r s t e r l i n g [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ - If p gleich tail then wird hilf auch auf tail gesetzt. - R.K. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmgr%40antennex.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list
I found this to be the place to assign the proper hostname in General Options. Is this the same as you refer to...?? It works for me. Sub-section: Host name this list prefers for email. (Details for host_name) Best regards, List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.antennex.com - Original Message - From: Linda Pahdoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list When you create the list, create it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of just as listname. You can use withlist fix_url to update the existing lists if you have access to the shell on the list server. If you don't, ask your hosting company to fix it for you. _ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmgr%40antennex.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i
Hello: I have followed Mailman for a year+ and have yet to reach a point to replace my combo of majordomo and Mhonarc. Finally, a week ago I installed the latest version of MM and was quite surprised with how smoothly it went. I thought, NOW is the time to switch over -- that is, until I saw the flaw now being discussed about the bad dates in the archives as shown by MM's own archives. Being that our lists are filled with scientists, engineers, academics who commonly measure the quality of a paper on its grammar, spelling, and other nits, this flaw put me off again for the moment -- and I don't want to have to patch Mhonarc back again. I was thrilled to see the pipermail archiver installed and then abruptly dissapointed. I'm not complaining as I jnow this is software that is free to use and one doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth. I just saw the opportunity to ring in on this very on-point issue, and at the same time hoping it can be fixed soon. Now that I've tried MM, I really like it. Thanks and keep up the good work! Best regards, List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.antennex.com - Original Message - From: Andrzej Kasperowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet,archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i The problem is that the Date: field is almost always correct (at least, within a few minutes). This is why people get upset when it's wrong. If you really care about this problem, then what is really needed is not to simply choose the fields in a particular order, but instead a way of intelligently over-riding and correcting the value of the Date: field, based on the Received: headers. Well, it seems that instead of overriding Date: field by the date from Received: it's enough to use the date from Received:. At least in Mhonarc it is like that. I think it should be available as an option in Mailman. Of course, this doesn't help you for private archives, which is why there are tools like glimpse. But when admin has no will/time to install it, it would be better to have it included in Mailman, just like pipermail is included. After all developers could had not included pipermail, and say 'hey, there is Mhonarc, and hypermail, use that if you want to archive posts'. ak -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmgr%40antennex.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] MySQL MemberAdaptor.
All, http://kyrian.ore.org/MailmanMysql/ I accept absolutely no responsibility for the above ruining your marriage, hairdo, life, dogs, cats, children, computer systems, reputations, sanity, or indeed destroying the entire known universe. However, it should allow you to use MySQL with Mailman 2.1+ for your mailing list members. The bounce detection and delivery status stuff is less than perfect, and there could well be other problems. Enjoy. K. PS. Feel free to report bugs in the code/suggest enhancements/offer help to make it better via email (to me directly please), but I'm very busy, so please don't expect them to get solved/incorporated particularly quickly, and certainly don't even bother getting cranky with me if it doesn't work because I'll probably just ignore you. Unless you want to pay me for my time, of course ;-) -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. Be excellent to each other -- Bill Ted. Email: kyrian#64;ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: MySQL MemberAdaptor.
Oh, and it's up on the Mailman Sourceforge site, too http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=839386group_id=103atid=300103 K. -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. Be excellent to each other -- Bill Ted. Email: kyrian#64;ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman locks directory
Hi folks, How dangerous is it to muck with the locks directory of a mailman install? I'm trying to figure out why my mailman installation doesn't send messages through. - postfix receives mail and passes it into the mailman wrapper (from looking at /var/log/mail) - mailman appears to be able to send (things like subscription confirmations get sent out) - but normal list traffic doesn't get through. - there are a dozen or so files in the locks directory, even though no messages have been sent out to the lists in a couple weeks. I'm wondering if there might be a way to kick-start mailman again, maybe by removing the lock files. But would this be dangerous? I'm not worried about the messages that haven't gone out, at this point, just about getting things moving again. -- Steven J. Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (412) 401-8060 cell / (412) 578-9817 house | I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt. | - me, at http://darksleep.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] sitelist?
Hi folks, I'm running debian woody, postfix, and mailman. I just upgraded from 2.0.x to 2.1.3-1. Mailman is now telling me it needs a sitelist before it will start. I can't find much about sitelist, other than the mentions of it in the mailman 2.1.2 release notes and an occasional reference to reconfiguring all of the mailing lists using config_list. The python.org mailman faq gives me no hits on sitelist. It appears that all I have to do is: 1) Create a vanilla mailing list named mailman: do: newlist mailman paste the aliases into /etc/aliases do: newaliases 2) do: config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg mailman 3) restart mailman; on debian, do so with: do: /etc/init.d/mailman restart Now, this *appears* to have fixed things, mail to the various lists is going out, the various message waiting in the queue went, as did the test I just sent. But is it really fixed, or do I need to do anything else? -- Steven J. Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (412) 401-8060 cell / (412) 578-9817 house | I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt. | - me, at http://darksleep.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman Slow or Stalled
Hi folks, I'm running debian, postfix and mailman. Mailman has the standard settings it hand when I used apt-get to install it. It manages a half dozen lists with a few dozen people on it, which get a few messages a month. For a while everything worked just fine. Somewhere along the line, messages started taking a few hours to be processed. Now they seem to get hung up permanently. After reading through the archives here, I poked around a bit in /var/lib/mailman/logs. I checked /var/log/mail.log, and in there I see my message being dispatched off to /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper Oct 24 20:47:37 bar postfix/nqmgr[25231]: BF3493CD2C: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=938, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 24 20:47:40 bar postfix/local[8807]: BF3493CD2C: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=3, status=sent (|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar) However, in /var/lib/mailman/logs, the only files that have been touched anytime recently are smtp and subscribe: Oct 11 06:41:03 2003 (5364) smtp for 8 recips, completed in 0.250 seconds Oct 18 11:08:07 2003 (7251) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.068 seconds Oct 24 20:54:27 2003 (8987) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.156 seconds I think the 1 recip was mailman notifying the address that I just subscribed to the list. This leads me to suspect that mailman is *sending* mail just fine, and *receiving* mail, but that the break is somewhere in between. Steven J. Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (412) 401-8060 cell / (412) 578-9817 house | I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt. | - me, at http://darksleep.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] maintaining archives after a domain/server change
Hello, I couldn't find any instructions regarding this particular problem. We are moving lists (of version 2.0.3) from one domain server to another domain server (using version 2.1.2) -- the change is changing the address of the lists. How can we maintain the archives for the lists of the old domain server to the new server? TIA. Best wishes, Rae -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Character encoding problems with digest option
On Aug 31, 2003, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Rousse wrote: I'm managing several mailing list with mailman 2.1.2, but one of them is especially problematic, since some users use exotics charset such as utf-8. utf-8 is exotic? -- Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand kicked 200,000 Jews out of Spain, one of the first acts of the Spanish Inquisition, which no one ever expects. John Carroll's 21st Annual Xmas Quiz answers -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Catching bounces/delivery errors
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 1:14 PM, DZ-Jay wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:05:28 -0600, LuKreme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 7:55 AM, DZ-Jay wrote: Instead of pounding nails with your all-purpose procmail screwdriver, use mailman to manage your mailings. It will handle all the ounce processing on its own, freeing your time for other things. Hum... As I explained in a previous post, what my organization does is not a traditional mailing list like this one, its personalized advertising campaigns sent to our customers (strictly opt-in, by the way.) Our customer e-mail list reside in our enterprise commerce server's database and whenver we are going to mail, we export the most current list of addresses based on some sales or demographic criteria and feed it to a comercial bulk e-mailer, which sends a personalized e-mail to the clients. You can still do that with mailman. If you think mailman can broadcast personalized messages and allow an address list to be imported and also provide a list of addresses that failed, then I'll try it. But I was under the impression that mailman would not work for this. I know at least one mailman list I am on says this message was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the footers, so some degree of personalisation is certainly possible. It certainly can have user list imported and it keeps track of bounces. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users might be able to help with more specific questions. -- BUGS: There is no conversion specification for the phase of the moon. strftime(3) man page -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mail does not have recipient in To address
On Monday, Jul 21, 2003, at 03:35 Canada/Mountain, Richard Barrett wrote: On Monday, July 21, 2003, at 01:06 AM, LuKreme (List User Kreme) wrote: On Wednesday, Jul 16, 2003, at 06:56 Canada/Mountain, Angel Gabriel wrote: When mail gets sent out on my list, it doesn't have the recipients email address in the To field Of course it doesn't. What makes you think it would? the message is not addressed to the recipient email address, it's addressed to the LIST. how can I change this? You don't. Well, certainly not easily. Not so with MM 2.1.2. Turning on full personalization on the non-digest options web admin GUI page for a list does the trick. The list then sends individual copies of posts to each subscriber with their email addresses in the To: header My mistake then. I had no idea of this feature.1 1 I would classify sending individual messages for a mailing list to be a bug myself, but I can see how some misguided people might want this behavior :) -- Eyes the shady night has shut/Cannot see the record cut And silence sounds no worse than cheers/After earth has stopped the ears. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Footer message in html email
On Tuesday, Jul 15, 2003, at 18:19 Canada/Mountain, Jason Buscema wrote: Sorry for the confusion. I use Mailman for all my lists that I run. For this specific list I use Mailman for everything except user management. This part is handled through a MySql DB and syncs w/ Mailman each night. If I didn't have to do HTML I wouldn't, but in this case I need to do it. That said... Does the same hold true for a header as it does for a footer? Thanks for the info... I don't have too much experience w/ HTML emails. I can think of a way that might work, if you had a comment in the HTML like Div class=Unsublink !--REPLACE ME WITH CUSTOM INFO-- /DIV Then you should be able to use a similar methodology for ADDING a footer to REPLACING that comment with the appropriate info. -- Software is not created by taking away things. That's how you create statues. Software is created by writing code. -- Weitse Venema -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mail does not have recipient in To address
On Wednesday, Jul 16, 2003, at 06:56 Canada/Mountain, Angel Gabriel wrote: When mail gets sent out on my list, it doesn't have the recipients email address in the To field Of course it doesn't. What makes you think it would? the message is not addressed to the recipient email address, it's addressed to the LIST. how can I change this? You don't. Well, certainly not easily. -- I don't think the kind of friends I'd have would care. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list
On Monday, Jun 16, 2003, at 20:48 Canada/Mountain, Paul H Byerly wrote: Jeroen Valcke wrote: When I put the Approved: passwd MailMan passes the msg and strips the first line with the passwd. This is on MailMan 2.1.1. After a lot of trial and error I find that it works for plain text messages, but not for html messages. If there is any html in the message it goes through, but the password stays with it. That is because in an HTML message the FIRST LINE is not Approved: password the first line is html -- And the three men I admire most, the father son and the holly ghost, they caught the last train for the coast... -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.2, postfix,openbsd 3.3 quietly fails
On Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003, at 01:35 Canada/Mountain, Mike Darweesh wrote: The only trace of the mail is from /var/log/maillog : Jun 17 00:14:36 lemieux postfix/local[6840]: 0B55921C46: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post nz) I don't see anything in any other logs. I've tried running the mailman post command manually as nobody and that gives no user feedback of failure and also no results. does the message bounce? Is qrunner active? Did you check mailman's own ~/logs/ files? -- Love seeketh not itself to please Nor for itself hath any care But for another gives it's ease And builds a heaven in Hell's despair -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] regex to reject TOFU?
Has anyone written a regex for mailman 2.1 that rejects TOFU posts? Or maybe on that catches messages based on a message ending with 3 or more quoted lines? Or maybe even one that catches posts where the list footers are included? -- Instant karma's gonna get you -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Version 2.1.2 on Redhat Linux 7.3
It is possible - I have it running on two different RedHat 7.3 servers. You cannot, however, use the RedHat rpm for Mailman 2.1.2 from RedHat 8 or 9 and you will have to build Mailman from source (mailman.tar.gz) . The version of python you have (python2-2.2.2-11) is probably current enough and Mailman has to be configured with that version and not the python-1.5.2-43 version. The thing to do would be to download mailman.tar.gz from www.list.org and extract it and read the INSTALL file. Hope this helps. David On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 23:49, Ian Fenn wrote: Hi, Is it possible to run Version 2.1.2 of Mailman on Redhat Linux 7.3? I asked my hosting provider and they wrote: Here is some information: Your current versions are: python-1.5.2-43.73 python2-2.2.2-11.7.3 mailman-2.0.13-1 All are already the latest supported versions for RedHat 7.3. What you probably need is python-2.2.2-26 or newer, with mailman-2.1-8 which show the following dependencies and some others: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-26 libcrypto.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-26 libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-26 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2) is needed by python-2.2.2-26 libssl.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-26 python = 1.6 conflicts with postgresql-python-7.2.3-5.73 python = 1.5.2 is needed by mx-2.0.3-1 python = 1.5.2-43.73 is needed by python-devel-1.5.2-43.73 python = 1.5.2-43.73 is needed by python-tools-1.5.2-43.73 /usr/bin/python1.5 is needed by up2date-2.8.39-1.7.3 It seems like RedHat currently does not support an upgrade of this magnitude, phyton and mailmax sould be compiled from source RPMs, that, personally I wouldn't be familiar with. This plus the fact of binding them together... So, they don't sound too hopeful. Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks, -- Ian -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mm%40tentra.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman
I am afraid I'd have to agree with Dirk. I think most of the subscribers on this list REALLY like to help others - I know I do. But this is not a Linux tutorial mailing list and a basic knowledge of Unix is necessary. This IS a situation where you should either hire someone or get your hands on a Linux test box and have LOTS of time on your hands to experiment. Sorry David Blomquist Principal, Tentra IT Solutions Hy John, John Grafflin wrote: First step - how do I get the Mailman code from the download site to my website? I really don't want to offend you, John, but I think it's a really a bad idea to help someone lacking the basic knowledge to get something like mailman running. The result might be another open relay or open proxy! It would be better to hire someone for that purpose or rent a dedicated server which has mailman and everything else already installed and pay for the administration including the updates. Yust my 2 EuroCent! Bye Dirk -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mm%40tentra.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] converting from ListProc
Greetings, My server administrator is considering switching to Mailman. I run about 40 ListProc lists and really like the email interface. I definitely do not want to be stuck with a web-only interface. Can anyone point me to a How-to-make-the-switch document? As in, Here's the Mailman equivalent of ADD listname password username, Here's how to add an owner to multiple lists simultaneously, Here's how to export a list of the subscribers, etc. Thanks, Traci -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Protecting user data
Jon, I may implement that for a temporary solution, but it does not take away the full problem because anybody could be subscribed to the mailing list (which isn't very high traffic anyhow) and see the IP addresses in the message headers. Ideally I'd like to be able to protect my users from being seen in the email headers at all. Is there any way to do this? Will I have to do something with sendmail to make this happen? Thanks Sean -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Protecting user data
Hiya, I run a discussion list using Mailman 2.1 for a small open-source project. Recently, there was a security vulnerability discussed on my list and shortly after it was brought to light, several users of my list were attacked by a cracker through this security issue. I believe that the attacker saw the posts on our list (in the public archives or he could even be subscribed) and used that information to attack our users, and that he gained their IP addresses through the headers of their posts to the list. I have this option enabled: (Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)), but when the user sends email, it still shows it as originating from their personal computer. I need a way to protect this information (their IP address, etc) so that it looks like the messages are just coming from my Mailman server instead. Since there are several users on my list who are running my software and posting to the list from the same server, I need to be able to protect them - otherwise, we will not be able to safely discuss issues such as security concerns again. If anybody can help me with this, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Sean B -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
LOTS OF LUCK! I asked how to do this and only got rude answers that said I am trying to force the software to do things it was not intended to do. If you figure it out let me know. BTW the actual restricting of posts to just you is the easy part. The numerous referneces to web pages, posting instructions, etc that do not apply to a news list will be a PITA. At 07:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, Benjamin Young wrote: Hi all, I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements list). I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists? Thanks! Benjamin -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
At 05:45 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: This is eminently doable, but you have to be willing and able to patch Mailman. 1. Patch Mailman to be able to turn off the List-* headers on a per-list basis so you don't confuse your subscribers with instructions that don't work. I can send this patch to anyone who wants it. I haven't figured out how to contribute it to SourceForge. That part has been done after being yelled at many times about doing so violates RFC when indeed it doesn't. 2. Edit listinfo.html for each list you want to have non-standard instructions on its listinfo page. That fixes one of the pages. Does not do anything for the generic welcome message or all the other places that extraneous links are listed. 3. Restrict posting by setting member_posting_only to no and posters to the address(es) of people allowed to post. These are both on the privacy admin page. Yep thats the one logical part of the software. That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now. I know HTML just fine thank you but I am not a Python programmer. Even if I were the spaghetti code that this is makes it difficult to patch into logical useable code. And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer bash at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and cups the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out everywhere. It was a good time. I doubt you were and if your idea of a good time is having everyone passed out from being drunk that could explain a lot about your code. - Bob At 05:15 PM 5/21/02, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: LOTS OF LUCK! I asked how to do this and only got rude answers that said I am trying to force the software to do things it was not intended to do. If you figure it out let me know. BTW the actual restricting of posts to just you is the easy part. The numerous referneces to web pages, posting instructions, etc that do not apply to a news list will be a PITA. At 07:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, Benjamin Young wrote: Hi all, I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements list). I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists? Thanks! Benjamin -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
At 06:21 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: At 06:01 PM 5/21/02, you wrote: At 05:45 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now. I know HTML just fine thank you but I am not a Python programmer. Even if I were the spaghetti code that this is makes it difficult to patch into logical useable code. I'm not a Python programmer, either. But it's trivially easy to understand. Give it a try. It took me 30 minutes to derive this patch. Like I said it is only a partial fix to getting all of the extraneous junk out of the code. In fact most of it is stll there and if anyone knew what it was they could get to it easily. Bottom line remains that the software was not designed to do anyting but act as a discusion mailing list in a stand alone environment. Any use other than that requires at least moderate patching. Most of the request on this list for help are responded to with you are using the software in a manner it was not designed to be used or Read the FAQ. Thats the holier than thou attitude that prevails here and gets people to respond with just a negative attitude. And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer bash at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and cups the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out everywhere. It was a good time. I doubt you were and if your idea of a good time is having everyone passed out from being drunk that could explain a lot about your code. I'm not a liar. What I told you is true. The venue was Rockwell Cage at MIT, where I earned a degree in computer science and engineering. And now you've just lost your chance at getting any help from me. What an idiot. Didnt say it was a lie. Just said you were not a fan before me. Of course your restatement that its not a lie (speaking of the 'great time' party reinforces my connection between your idea of a good time and the very inflexibility of the code delivered in this software and the general dirtiness thereof. - Bob -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] User List
What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my subscribers and their password? I don't want any sort of nice cute warm and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete list. The list needs to be continuous, not paged. Any ideas? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] User List
Does not work in a shared environment. PERMISSION DENIED every time!
BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used
and not the much simpler ASCII file? I mean this software is really great
at what it does. The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is
not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and
steps to do things. I want to try to make this work on my server. Please
give me help getting all of the excessive overhead turned off that we don't
need.
Thanks
At 12:13 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote:
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:04:52AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin
wrote:
What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my
subscribers and their password? I don't want any sort of nice cute warm
and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete
list. The list needs to be continuous, not paged. Any ideas?
You cannot get the passwords through the web or a direct command line tool.
You can however run ~mailman/bin/dumpdb
~mailman/lists/listname/config.{db|pck} and grep from there.
You can also trivially create a web page from it with a small script
Marc
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[Mailman-Users] LISTS command
Two Issues with the LISTS command: 1) I am running in a shared environment. When I send LISTS to the listname-request address I get a listing of all lists on the server and NOT just the one(s) for that domain. My domain should not be allowed to advertise other webmasters' lets. In fact I DON'T WANT TO advertise other lists from my domain. Can this be patched somehow? 2) Why is it that I have to send a request to listname-request to get a listing of the mailing lists at a domain. What if I don't know the name of ANY lists at the domain? Shouldn't I (if i can I have not figured out how to do it) be able to send something to a master mailman address and get the lists? Seems pretty logical to me. I am old and slow so maybe I missed this one. Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] User List
At 12:35 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: Does not work in a shared environment. PERMISSION DENIED every time! Uh? You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db. Damn this really sucks. I imagine this software just was not designed to run in a shared environment. BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used Because you don't want to a access a 10,000+ membership list linearly. That's programming 101. I serious doubt even a SMALL percent of lists have that many users. But never mind, thats not the point. and not the much simpler ASCII file? I mean this software is really great at what it does. The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and steps to do things. I want to try to make this work on my server. Please Not really, you just try to do all the things it wasn't designed for and then complain that there isn't a front end of it. You make my point. IT WASNT DESIGNED to be used but in a single manner. I know I am not the only one who has made request like these. I have gotten a lot of private responses asking that if I get a way to fix the problems to let them know as well. Also it is NOT complaining to ask for help or request knowledge. The fact that the program cannot do what a person asks does not mean that the person is complaining. The product really isnt as flexible as it could be. Thats not kicking anyone's cat it is simply stating a point of fact. If you needed to list the membership, you could do it with ~mailman/bin/list_members. If you want a raw dump of the DB, you can get it with ~mailman/bin/dumpdb What else do you want? If you're missing the glue for what you want, you get to write it, the base tools are there. give me help getting all of the excessive overhead turned off that we don't need. Eh, don't complain to us if you need to shave the conners off your cube as you're hammering it into a round hole. It's open source, you can do that if you want, but you get to shave the said corners off, not us. (Well, Barry Zope.com take monetary bribes, but that's a different matter :-p) Again it was a request. I ask not to remove corners but to not have to use all kinds of extraneous layers and levels of control freak features. I made a request to learn how to edit the standard message returned when the HELP command is issued because I dont use the web interface pages for my lists. I want to remove the reference to them. Thats a really simple request. I don't know what file to work with so I asked. I asked how to not have to force users to have passwords and all I get is people giving me crap about what you want your subscribers mass unsubscribed by other people. Obviously I do not consider that to be a risk worth going to all the hassle of passwords over. In my previous 8 years of running lists I had ZERO instances of this. Of course these lists were set up that one could only unsubscribe a given address from that address. Gee no need for passwords! Point is that every request made that does not have an already defined fix, etc seems to be treated as a complaint or an attack on someone. It would be better for the list as a whole if the folks who have nothing better to say than if you don't like it write the code yourself, Hey its not my problem, or quitcher bitchin would just move on to the next email and help with what they have a constructive solution for. Although I guess that is what makes some folks happy, just sitting there and pissing and moaning at everyone else. Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] User List
At 04:17 PM 5/16/2002 +0200, you wrote: AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: At 12:35 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: Does not work in a shared environment. PERMISSION DENIED every time! Uh? You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db. Damn this really sucks. I imagine this software just was not designed to run in a shared environment. permissions are a basic requirement for shared environments. you obviously don't know what you are talking about. the problem is: you talk loudly. You stick your nose where it doesn't belong. I fully know permissions. In a shared environment not all users have the permissions to access certain'master' files. You do know what I mean by a master file. It is a basic concept. please try to understand the basic principles of open-source software (and while you're at it, there is a good howto by eric raymond on how to ask intelligent questions, you might want to digest that too) before you post again to this list. The fact that the software is open source is not even slightly relevant. then try to get a clue about the fact that your way to use mailing lists is not the only way in this solar system. more precisely, yours is in fact a very special, rather limited usage of mailing lists, which is why you don't understand what most of mailman's features are about. A news list rather than a discussion list is not specialized at all. Many sites use them. When you go to a site where you have to register you often have a check box to sign up to receive information from them. guess what? That's a NEWS list. You can't send to it. I fully understand how MM works. It works in a limited manner with little flexibility. stop being obnoxious to people who donate software to you. get yourself out of bed, learn python and contribute. or buy some guy that will spoon-feed you the basics and whine to him. Obnoxious is the people on the list who answer damn near every question on here with a curt read the FAQ. or worse. Often the FAQ does not say anything about the question asked other than it can't be done. In that case the obnoxious jerk who replied could have easily made comment to the limitation, etc. Asking for help and making suggestions for improvements is not being obnoxious. Maybe in your country all folks do is take what they are given and move along never trying to improve things. That's not the way it is done in the rest of reality. You again make a poor assumption here that everyone who uses Open Source (whether by choice or not) is automatically a programmer. Funny how the users here are the ones whining when I ask a question whereas (at least one of) the programmers have answered (at least some of) my questions with real answers in direct mail. in the mean time, welcome to yet another killfile. Poor baby! Had your little feelings hurt so you take your toys and go home to mommy. Oh well it is asshole like you who should not even be allowed on the Internet. If you want to be involved in a conversation stay in it for the whole thing. Otherwise just shut to hell up and quit showing how childish and immature the little boys in your country are. jörn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] is private mail being redirected here?
They are not one sided conversations. The discussion was in reply to a question that I asked on the list. IMHO it is proper to continue posting to the list. In fact the undesired behavior is to take a list discussion private. Questions that are asked that relate to the general topic of the list should stay there. Most often if there is a question by one subscriber then others on the list would have the same or similar questions. keeping the discussion on the list gives all subscribers benefit of the answer, etc. However if the reply one is giving is one that is an ad hominem matter then the reply should not have been made in he first place, It is not an issue of whether it belongs on the list or not. So your beef is with the folks who choose not to answer a list post on the list, not with the people who keep posts where they belong. Thanks... At 04:53 AM 5/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am seeing what appears to be a series of one-sided answer posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoting messages that have not previously appeared on the mailman-users list. If this person is redirecting private responses to the list without the correspondent's permission, that's considered rude Net behavior and they should cease. If there is some other technical explanation, perhaps it's a Mailman issue. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post. I keep getting these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying that I have to go approve or reject the post. Hey guess what, I made it closed because I DONT want these posts. Go figure! So tell me how do I make it stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an admin queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts in the first place. if I did i would not have closed the list. At 12:28 PM 5/13/2002 -0700, Elaine Miller wrote: No, it looks as though Hostway offers Unix *and* Weendows hosting. Joe, it depends on what your hosting provider can offer you. Mailman works on Unix-based systems, but needs to be installed on their server by them, not on your home computer. (Unless you're running a home server?) Most hosting packages offer some sort of mailing list service: you may do better to ask them what they're giving you for your money. -Elaine On 13 May 2002 at 11:39, Raquel Rice wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2002 09:29:54 -0400 Bolzenius, Joseph S. Bolzenius, Joseph S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just started a webpage with Frontpage software on my Windows based PC and am using Hostway.com as my web hosting service. I saw that your maillist service is free and want to use it, but don't know how...it mentions that it may not work with windows. What do I do? Joe Full Shred Plow Mailman is not a service, it is software that runs on the server. Since it does not run on Windoze and your hosting company runs Windoze servers, it appears that you'll have to use another piece of software that will run on your server -- Raquel One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. Which road do I take? she asked. Where do you want to go? was his response. I don't know, Alice answered. Then, said the cat, it doesn't matter. --Lewis Carroll -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Elaine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://elainemiller.com https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=elaine%40elainemiller.comitem_name= Give+Elaine+Money+Just+Becauseitem_number=667 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
Now thats about the stupidest statement I have ever seen! Mail that you dont see on the list does not get to the list. Same damn thing. What people send is another issue. Folks can send what ever they want where ever and when ever they want. As long as it is blocked from the list then the list does not get the mail. I stand by what I said. If you set up your list correctly then the list will not get any spam which means none of the list subscribers will get any spam in their mailboxes that are a result of being subscribed to the list. At 04:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0600, Mike Avery wrote: On 10 May 2002 at 17:48, AerosmithFanClub.com List Adm wrote: A correctly configured list will get ZERO spam. Not quite. A correctly configured list will see zero spam. However, any list that has any real presence will be subjected to any number of attacks. Once the email address is known, spammers will try to send to it. Mike -- Mike Avery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16241692AOL IM: MAvery81230 Phone: 970-642-0282 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Company coming? House a mess? Display old Get Well cards. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
Technically the other person is way anal. The mail does not get to the list until it is delivered to the subscribers. Until then it is in the process of being sent. So if I or my subscribers never GET it in our mailboxes then the list does not GET mail. You sendign something does not mean that I get it. At 05:00 PM 5/13/2002 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: Mail that you dont see on the list does not get to the list. Same damn thing. As long as it is blocked from the list then the list does not get the mail. I stand by what I said. If you set up your list correctly then the list will not get any spam which means none of the list subscribers will get any spam in their mailboxes that are a result of being subscribed to the list. What he said was correct: A correctly configured list will get ZERO spam. Not quite. A correctly configured list will see zero spam. Any list with any kind of presence WILL get SPAM. It just won't be DELIVERED to the subscribers. His statement is correct: your list will GET SPAM, your subscribers just will not SEE it. Two different things. It's a technicality not worth arguing about... -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
Herein lies the rub with the mailman program. The programmers ASS-U-ME that everyone using the software as full access to the server on which it is run. Many users have this in a shared server environment and these wonderful patches to make up for short comings in the software are not an alternative. The software basically is not too bad. The fact there is very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without hacking a lot of places is troubling. All of this type of things should not even be an issue. There should be options in the admin interface to handle all of this. Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward. All you do is set a single config file and bang you are on the way. With this you have to hack here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you have no clue what all has ben done! The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at all. It is merely a cover up. The messages are still queued up and stored. All that happens is that a cron job nukes them. Heck bounced messages should NOT default to being stored anyway. You should have to enable it if you want it. The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail that you dont want. If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it up to be moderated. At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote: Hey man, Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages? Lewis At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post. I keep getting these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying that I have to go approve or reject the post. Hey guess what, I made it closed because I DONT want these posts. Go figure! So tell me how do I make it stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an admin queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts in the first place. if I did i would not have closed the list. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
RE: [Mailman-Users] Help
Well bully for you. Its just fine that you like it. I like it as well just wish that it was not such a pain in the butt to do anything other than the EXACT way the programmers dictate that they be done. The fact is that the software is nit flexible at all. If you know anything about programming other than being able to spout technobabble you will know what I mean by that and that I am 100% accurate in saying it. Keep in mind that pure numbers has no relation what so ever with quality or anything else. If such a relationship did exist then AOL would be the best software ever to hit the net and cockroaches would be the most intelligent species on the face of the Earth. Mailman is not even close to as flexible and easy to use as Majordomo. You don't have to worry about all these FORCED options that Mailman has. You don't have to keep track of all kinds of web pages that are not even needed to run a mailing list. You don't have to hack your system every time you want to set up a list option. All you need to do is set a single config file and run your list spam free for years. Of course if you are a anal retentive power junkie who has to feel like you control aspect of a simple mailing list (as if was ever making any difference to the operations thereof) you can add all these absurd FORCED passwords, headers, queues of unrequested mail, etc. You don't have to put up with any of that sort of junk with majordomo. (BTW the hack you suggested in the FAQ is asinine. It also deletes all subscription requests from making it to the admin. Your suggestions is akin to suggesting that one burn down their house because a light bulb is burnt out. If the programmers are so thin skinned that they cannot handle someone pointing out shortcoming in heir code then they need to find other work. It comes with the territory. When you release code you will get feedback that with at least some frequency does not gloss over everything and pretend that the said code is absolutely perfect. :) Enjoy! At 10:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: Many of us love Mailman, and have been using it for what it was designed for, with whatever assumptions the developer(s) had in mind, for quite some time. Considering that the software is Open Source, and that the developer(s) has not charged you for it's use, or the owners/administrators of the server you are using, you've got quite a damn good deal! I suppose you could learn some programming and develop your own list that works perfectly for you, and you could ASS-U-ME for only your needs, and no one elses. Or you could use any one of the other commercial programs that are available, and pay some big bucks to do so. You might even get exactly what you want, too. As far as comparing Mailman to Majordomo, Mailman in my opinion is way superior. But you do have options. You could find a hosting company that offers Majordomo. It's a pain, I know, but then, that might be easier for you in the long run, and then the developers who offered this software for no cost and made it available to you and your server's owner wouldn't need to read silly words that are in effect, insulting. Perhaps the biggest Ass is, in fact, you. Herein lies the rub with the mailman program. The programmers ASS-U-ME that everyone using the software as full access to the server on which it is run. Many users have this in a shared server environment and these wonderful patches to make up for short comings in the software are not an alternative. The software basically is not too bad. The fact there is very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without hacking a lot of places is troubling. All of this type of things should not even be an issue. There should be options in the admin interface to handle all of this. Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward. All you do is set a single config file and bang you are on the way. With this you have to hack here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you have no clue what all has ben done! The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at all. It is merely a cover up. The messages are still queued up and stored. All that happens is that a cron job nukes them. Heck bounced messages should NOT default to being stored anyway. You should have to enable it if you want it. The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail that you dont want. If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it up to be moderated. At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote: Hey man, Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages? Lewis At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post. I keep getting these emails each time a non-subscriber
RE: [Mailman-Users] Help
With Majordomo there IS nothing to maintain! That was the point I was trying to make. I do understand that it is a case of different strokes for different folks. I have no problem with that what-so-ever. MM is not at all designed for use as a news list. It may well work OK for a discussion list but as far as news list goes it is horrid. I am stuck with all these irrelevant headers that tell folks how to post, etc when in all reality they CANT post. So now people start sending to the list because the list tells them to and I start getting tons of bounced mail. Now I cant turn off the mail bouncing thing, I am FORCED to go manually delete each mail. Oh yeah I can hack the code to make it so that the bounces go away but then people cant subscribe. What good is a list where people cant subscribe. So it is a vicious circle. I do things the way the programmers want them to be done and thats all there is to it. It is very frustrating to see software that is so close to being excellent but because of a few minor issues is almost unusable. I am sure you follow what I am saying here. At 11:15 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: we switched from majordomo and our listowners and thier lists have both commented how much easier it is to do administration and they feel the interface is user friendly. it would be nice if there was a way to set an option to assume reject as a default for posts to closed lists from non-members without also throwing out subscription requests. Perhaps something in the future for 2.1? Thanks Fuz -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] New user question
Well damn that sucks. This is one of the areas of this program that whoever wrote it got just a little too anal. It is JUST a mailing list. Heck I ran a list under Majordomo for 8 years w/o a single spam coming across the list and no one getting unsubscribed without them doing it themselves. That is a great product. It is very easy to use and nowhere near as complicated and cumbersome as Mailman. I had to change because my host changed server packages and they only use Mailman now. My suggestion is to make this a LOT simpler and do away with all the levels of control and protection. Its way overkill. The simplicity of using plain old email to subscribe and/or unsubscribe is much preferred over the web interface and passwords. On top of that all those damn extra headers that are added to each email are a total pain. If you (whoever you are) would make it so that each list could be configured the way he list master wants rather than force certain methodologies on us would greatly be appreciated. Thanks... At 09:29 PM 5/11/2002 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: AcLA == AerosmithFanClub com List Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AcLA All I am asking (and asking again) is if there is a way to AcLA set up an initial list of subscribers all with the common AcLA password? Now without a bit of Python programming and shell access, or with a lot of manual admin'ing of the list. FTR, MM2.1 can be run in a way that the presence of passwords is largely invisible to your membership. While they'll still have them, if all they want to do is subscribe, read list traffic, and unsubscribe, they'll never have to know their password. There are mailback confirmations for subscribing and unsubscribing. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] New user question
At 07:28 PM 5/11/2002 -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: On Sat, 11 May 2002 21:36:11 -0400 ` AerosmithFanClub com List Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well damn that sucks. Mailman is not for you at this point. I recommend finding another mailing list solution. I have no choice in the matter. I am trying to make it as easy to use as possible for all my subscribers. My suggestion is to make this a LOT simpler and do away with all the levels of control and protection. Its way overkill. 2.1, with some adaption, (may need an external data store adaptor for the membership roster(s)) can be configured to do what you want. This is a shared installation of MM that cannot be moded by individual list owners UNLESS the options are allowed in the list config. The simplicity of using plain old email to subscribe and/or unsubscribe is much preferred over the web interface and passwords. You can subscribe and unsubscribe from Mailman lists using only email. As long as you know your password which is a totally unnecessary complication of list software. On top of that all those damn extra headers that are added to each email are a total pain. Please read RFC 2369 and the FAQ: FAQ has long sicne been read. Perhaps YOU and the programmers should read the part where this is OPTIONAL and not something that shoudl be FORCED onto people. Actually there is a prevailing programming style of forcing list to be controlled to the Nth degree. Like I was saying earlier this is ONLY a mailing list. It is not like it is hold the keys to the US nuclear arsenal or anything. I am in no way talking down about the programming abilities of the folks who wrote this software. I am merely saying that just because it is possible to write code to secure things to the equivalent top secrecy, a mailing list is not the place to implement it all. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
A correctly configured list will get ZERO spam.
At 06:04 PM 5/9/2002 -0400, Chuck Peters wrote:
I am sure many of you are spending some time moderating lists where most
of the moderation is SPAM. A couple lists ar getting more spam than
legitimate traffic and its a real pain to clean this up via the web
interface.
If their an effecient way to clean out this spam rather than scrolling
through and checking discard for all admin request(s) waiting? Lynx
$MAILMAN/data and deleting the helmsg would be faster that the web
interface. Will rm $MAILMAN/data/heldmsg-listname* work ok or will it
cause problems?
Also how do I clean out this subscription db?
# strings ../data/pending_subscriptions.db
{iOj
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kaf232i
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
coobkei
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
hahahai
lastculltimeiI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
WOAINI789i
Thanks,
Chuck
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[Mailman-Users] New user question
I have a few questions about MM. Lets start with the whole password thing. First I like the software but it really is way over kill in the area of complication. For example the whole idea of passwords for each user is really (in many cases) totally unnecessary. My users don't want to have to keep track of a password nor do they want to get these daily emails about the. I see that you can specify a password (at least I think you can) when you subscribe. I set up mailto links for users to subscribe and set the password in the subscribe email. Problem is that I have about 200 users I need to add. I go into the admin control panel to subscribe them all and use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] password syntax but it looks like that the admin interface does not accept the password parameter. is there a way to simply turn OFF the whole password thing or have it default to the list name for all users? Thanks, Aero -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] FW: Error 550 User Unknown
Ok, I have Mailman 2.0.6 installed with Python 1.6.1 on a Cobalt RaQ2 running Sendmail on a Mips. I setup a list called testspot and according to the directions I added testspot:|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testspot testspot-admin: |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testspot testspot-request:|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testspot testspot-owner: testspot-admin to /etc/aliases and also to /etc/aliases.majordomo I then run /usr/bin/newaliases I then went to the subscription site, subscribed and received the email that I must reply to in order to get on the list. Hit reply, send and then get The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. Server Response: '550[EMAIL PROTECTED]...User unknown'. I have searched through the list archives for a fix and have not found one, all posted responses say to add aliases to aliases and run newaliases which I have done repeatedly to make sure it is done. Not sure where else to turn in order to get this thing going. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Patrick Agee Spotted Dog Computers AOC Valued Reseller APC Certified Reliability Provider Microsoft System Builder 345 Poplar Fork Rd. Axton, VA 24054 540-650-1718 Voice 540-648-6021 Fax www.spotteddog.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] demolist
Hello everyone, I have setup a 'demolist' and I need to disable the list admin address and the password from being changed. From what I can see, I would need to make these changes on the General Options page and the details page for the general/owner. But I cannot find those pages in the distribution for the list. Has anyone else setup a demolist? Can anyone point out which files I need to make these changes to? TIA Rae -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Mailman limits, commands
Hello everyone, We have been running Majordomo and we are in the process of offering Mailman as an alternative to our customers who want to change their lists over to a web-based mailing list manager. I have a couple questions that I am hoping you can help me with. 1. Does Mailman have any limitations as to the size of distribution that it can handle comfortably? For instance, would it be wise for us to change over Majordomo lists as large as 10,000 subscribers to Mailman? 2. Does Mailman offer email admin commands like Majordomo does or are all commands to be done via the web? TIA Rae -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
