Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/20/15 8:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a "Reply to List" option in addition to a simpl

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/19/2015 9:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > Another reason that I have been told by some people that they want > people to top post is that their client will show in the message list a > summary of the first line of the message, and they want that to be the > new content to see if it is worth

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list ... maybe not right, but how we want to serve our community

On 03/31/2015 11:28 AM, Dean Suhr wrote: > > 1) We want all replies to go to the list, however, we do not want the > sender’s email disclosed (this are medical discussion lists and we need to > preserve some basic contact privacy) OK > 2) We DO want the sender’s name to be visible as part of

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list ... maybe not right, but how we want to serve our community

Hi Mark, Our subscriber dynamic on our discussion lists is slightly different. While Mailman may eliminate the duplicate email sends to folks who have their messages replied to by readers, is important that we achieve two things with our list messages: 1) We want all replies to go to the list

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Wed, 2015-03-25 at 08:49 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/24/2015 10:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > What Outlook, Hotmail etc. call "Rich Text" is in fact HTML, not to be > > confused with Microsoft's interchange Rich Text Format, RTF. > > And Outlook's 'HTML' is badly broken due to its reli

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/24/2015 10:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > What Outlook, Hotmail etc. call "Rich Text" is in fact HTML, not to be > confused with Microsoft's interchange Rich Text Format, RTF. And Outlook's 'HTML' is badly broken due to its reliance on the Word HTML rendering engine. Why MS decided to cha

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

At Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:42:23 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > Peter Shute writes: > > > I've seen a plain text section that didn't match the html version > > (if I'm remembering that incident correctly). > > Indeed, occasionally you'll see the arrogant "your MUA doesn't deal > with MI

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

In a message of Wed, 25 Mar 2015 08:34:32 +1100, Peter Shute writes: >Thanks for that bit of reply style history! I've only been using >email since quoting became a common feature, so I never saw this >before and after effect. Have you seen a reduction in this "dressing >down" style of reply since

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 02:31:08PM +1100, Peter Shute wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > The default for MS Outlook seems to be HTML rather than Rich Text. > > > > What Outlook, Hotmail etc. call "Rich Text" is in fact HTML, > > not to be confused with Microsoft's interchange Rich Text Format,

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Wed, 25 Mar 2015, Peter Shute wrote: Have you ever been in the situation where you're waiting ... Many of us deal with this by creating a message rule that filters the unimportant list mail to a folder to be read at leisure. I have procmail rules which filter particular e-mails to partic

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Lindsay Haisley writes: > One of two things is eventually going to have to happen. Either people > who design and publish standards for email are going to have to come to > agreement on a proper standard for this kind of content > enhancement, We have that, IMO. It's called HTML5 + . Unfort

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > The default for MS Outlook seems to be HTML rather than Rich Text. > > What Outlook, Hotmail etc. call "Rich Text" is in fact HTML, > not to be confused with Microsoft's interchange Rich Text Format, RTF. Outlook offers Plain text, HTML and Rich text as formatting opti

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Wed, 2015-03-25 at 10:42 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Yes, whether we like it or not. It's a pity though that such > > complex HTML is used. Do we really need anything more than the > > ability to bold and underline? I'd be happy with some of the basic > > Structured Text formatting

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:22:24AM +1100, Peter Shute wrote: > Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > > > And if html wasn't the default for so many clients. > > > > Don't get me started! To the best of my knowledge, there is > > no unified standard for HTML-ized email. Microsoft has "Rich > > Text", App

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Peter Shute writes: > I've seen a plain text section that didn't match the html version > (if I'm remembering that incident correctly). Indeed, occasionally you'll see the arrogant "your MUA doesn't deal with MIME properly" notice in a text/plain MIME part, rather than in the preamble. > > No

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Peter Shute writes: > But this time I tried unticking the "Plain" option for my > subscription. I was surprised to see that they did start coming > through as individual attachements, and that I could open them and > reply to them "properly". This works in both Outlook and iOS Mail. > > But

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:22:24AM +1100, Peter Shute wrote: > Do we really need anything more than the ability to bold and > underline? Butterick (and I agree entirely with him here) is against underlining: http://practicaltypography.com/underlining.html > I'd be happy with some of the bas

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > And if html wasn't the default for so many clients. > > Don't get me started! To the best of my knowledge, there is > no unified standard for HTML-ized email. Microsoft has "Rich > Text", Apple has another standard. Digests can get mucked up The default for MS Ou

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/24/2015 02:53 PM, Peter Shute wrote: >>> >>> But all I see is an index and a long list of unnamed >> attachments. If I want to read them, I have to open them one >> by one to see what's in them, or look at the index numbers >> and count through the attachements to find the right one. Is >

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > But this time I tried unticking the "Plain" option for my > subscription. I was surprised to see that they did start > coming through as individual attachements, and that I could > open them and reply to them "properly". This works in both > Outlook and iOS Mail. > > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/24/2015 02:03 PM, Peter Shute wrote: > > But this time I tried unticking the "Plain" option for my subscription. I was > surprised to see that they did start coming through as individual > attachements, and that I could open them and reply to them "properly". This > works in both Outlook

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Laura Creighton wrote: > A lot of the time, what you really want is to get rid of all > of the quoted material altogether. A bit of usenet history > is of interest here. In the very old days, we didn't have a > way to quote any mail at all. We didn't have threads, either. . . . > This happen

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > How can mail "interrupt"? [...] > > Mail arrives all the time anyway, so people need to be able > to deal with that. > > Exactly. Mail arrives when it does and I read it when I do. I > really don't know why so many people feel compelled to check > each message as it arr

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Thomas Gramstad wrote: > > Subscribing in digest mode allows me to receive one cumulative post > > per day (about, unless there is more traffic) and deal with > them not > > interrupting my other activities. > > > > A proper MUA shall allow to read each message in the digest > as if it > > we

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: digest mode allows o receive one cumulative post per day which is something many people can appreciate (at lea

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/24/2015 8:59 AM, Thomas Gramstad wrote: How can mail "interrupt"? [...] Mail arrives all the time anyway, so people need to be able to deal with that. Exactly. Mail arrives when it does and I read it when I do. I really don't know why so many people feel compelled to check each message as

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > Subscribing in digest mode allows me to receive one > cumulative post per day which is something many people can appreciate (at least those who subscr

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

In a message of Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:55:36 -0500, Lindsay Haisley writes: >I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the >reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to >extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME structure and >save it _as an

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

I don't remember now who it was that was trying to write a 'how to use mail' document for their users, but I have a suggestion. A lot of the time, what you really want is to get rid of all of the quoted material altogether. A bit of usenet history is of interest here. In the very old days, we di

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lindsay Haisley wrote: I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME structure and save it _as an email_ in the mail folder o

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: Subscribing in digest mode allows me to receive one cumulative post per day which is something many people can appreciate (at least those who subscribe to mailing list, and then complain because they ar

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Al Black writes: > I spent a few hours yesterday thinking about a "cleaner" to improve > the signal noise for the kind of posts were talking about. Not a > simple problem to solve (well for me anyway). If you're serious about maintaining the relevant content, it's *very* hard (requires "AI" n

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Lindsay Haisley writes: > On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Yes. The MIME type of the digest part is multipart/digest. The > > individual messages are message/rfc822 sub-parts. > > So ideally, a "proper" MUA should be able to extract and deal with the > message/rfc822

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 04:06 PM, Al Black wrote: > > I spent a few hours yesterday thinking about a "cleaner" to improve the > signal noise for the kind of posts were talking about. Not a simple problem > to solve (well for me anyway). It's a very hard problem. You can see some of my attempts at thi

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Hey everyone, On 2015-03-23, at 1:26 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/23/2015 02:54 AM, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: >> >>> Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the >>> digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. >> >> Do yo

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 12:20 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Interestingly, there is an undigestify add-on for T-bird > . > > It will explode a digest into individual messages in the same folder, > but it only works with RFC 1153 digests

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 02:54 AM, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: > >> Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the >> digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. > > Do you mean the MIME digests produced by mailman ? I totally disagree, > th

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 11:34 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > T-bird comes close, but no cigar. I've tinkered with it to try to make > it do what Thomas suggested was proper (with which I agree). T-bird > treats a message/rfc822 attachment as it would a text/plain attachment. > You can do whatever you wish

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 20:06 +0100, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > I didn't. You misattributed a previous post to me. > I'm sorry, my bad. I got tangled up in the quote levels. Lucio Chiappetti said it. > A proper MUA shall allow to read each message in the digest as if it were > a single e-mail (and

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Yes. The MIME type of the digest part is multipart/digest. The > individual messages are message/rfc822 sub-parts. So ideally, a "proper" MUA should be able to extract and deal with the message/rfc822 sub-parts as emails in their own right.

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lindsay Haisley wrote: On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME str

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 11:44 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > I haven't dealt with MIME-format digests from MM for quite a while. I > assume that these are functionally attachments with a MIME type of > message/rfc822, yes? Yes. The MIME type of the digest part is multipart/digest. The individual messages

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It will display all > messages in a multipart/digest inline, but also list them as > 'attachments' I haven't dealt with MIME-format digests from MM for quite a while. I assume that these are functionally attachments with a MIME type of messa

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the > > reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to > > extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME structure and > > save it _as an email_

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 10:55 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the > reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to > extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME structure and > save it _as an email_ in the mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 17:46 +0100, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > > A proper MUA shall allow to read each message in the digest as if it were a > > single e-mail (and reply, archive, forward etc. etc.). I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the reasons I keep Evolution as my pri

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. Do you mean the MIME digests produced by mailman ? I totally disagree, they are one

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

> On Mar 21, 2015, at 19:52 PM, William Bagwell wrote: > > On Saturday 21 March 2015, Al Black wrote: >> Although the ideal solution is obviously users changing their behaviour >> and or MUAs, I've wondered whether an "auto-trim" function within mailman >> would make sense (for digest users...)

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list / Re:

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 13:07 +0100, Roel Wagenaar wrote: > Filtering maillist messages to a folder per list is a far more tidy way of > dealing with the problem of identifying messages. I did run into a minor issue with this regarding IMAP retrieval of mail. It's important, in general, to make sure

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list / Re:

"A.K. Eyma" wrote: > Having all mail of a list come in with [listname] first in each subject line > is more tidy. In that way you would differentiate at one glance in your inbox > between > Filtering maillist messages to a folder per list is a far more tidy way of dealing with the problem o

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 05:45:58PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I do understand that in some business situations (contract negotiations, > attorney/client communication and the like), it is useful and pretty > much demanded that each message contain the full transcript of what went > before, I do

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/22/2015 12:14 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > Nowhere in the visible UI is "Smart Reply" mentioned, nor is it listed > in the preferences menu. This may be a default of the installation > rather than of of T-bird itself. If you get into customize mode for that toolbar (right-click on it, custo

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. Do you mean the MIME digests produced by mailman ? I totally disagree, they are one of the best features. Subscribing in digest mod

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Every modern (typically GUI) MUA I know of has ... I use a non-GUI MUA (Alpine) and I find it has all the features I can imagine to want (some of which were "user programmed") I think modern MUAs in widespread use (with the exception of Thund

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Usenet over UUCP via 300 baud modems on backbone servers with 5MB disks.[1] I adverse top-posting (and entire quoting of the whole replied message, or worst, thread) NOT because it is wasting bandwidth, NOT because it is wasting diskspace when archived ... but because it is disturbing to me to

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 11:52 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2015 2:48 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 14:37 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> No, the point is you apparently can't simply acknowledge that you > >> mis-spoke/made a mistake. > > > > Tanstaafl, it it will make you h

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 11:32 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2015 8:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > Thunderbird isn't quite like that, but when I reply to a message from > > the list I am given 3 options: > > > > Reply > > Reply All > > Reply to List > > Do you mean that you see a single butto

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/20/2015 2:48 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 14:37 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> No, the point is you apparently can't simply acknowledge that you >> mis-spoke/made a mistake. > > Tanstaafl, it it will make you happy, I _officially_ acknowledge that I > made a mistake/mis-spo

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/21/2015 12:55 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > If I were writing an MUA, I'd make each addressee a button which > replies to them only.[1] For the explicit reply button, I'd > automatically put the list-post and author in To:, provide an obvious > delete button on each (as Gmail does), and pr

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/20/2015 8:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > Thunderbird isn't quite like that, but when I reply to a message from > the list I am given 3 options: > > Reply > Reply All > Reply to List Do you mean that you see a single button with a drop-down that provides these three choices? If so, then you

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

> On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:40 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > - Original Message - >> From: "Lindsay Haisley" > >> In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program >> will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came >> from a list and offer a "Re

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Don, 2015-03-19 at 17:45 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] also +1 for the "quote only relevant and answer inline directly below it" style - an email is written once and read (hopefully;-) more often so it is actually extremely unfriendly (because time killing) to all others to make a mail not as

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Saturday 21 March 2015, Larry Kuenning wrote: > Settable by which user?  The sender or the recipient? Recipient of course, sender has no way of knowing what the recipient prefers. > And wouldn't a default of removing all but one level of quoted text make > nonsense of some posts?  E.g. in the

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

- Original Message - > From: "Barry Warsaw" > On Mar 20, 2015, at 08:19 AM, Andrew Stuart wrote: > >When I reply to a message on a mailing list, what is the “right” way > >to do it? > >Should I be deleting previous thread text from my response? > >Should I be adding anything in? > > Of c

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

- Original Message - > From: "Lindsay Haisley" > In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program > will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came > from a list and offer a "Reply to List" option in addition to a simple > reply, which genera

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 14:08 +1100, Peter Shute wrote: > > On 22 Mar 2015, at 1:28 pm, Larry Kuenning wrote: > > > > It seems to me correct editing of quotation sequences requires human > > thought, not just mechanical text manipulation. Even though some people > > expect their computers to thi

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

> On 22 Mar 2015, at 1:28 pm, Larry Kuenning wrote: > > It seems to me correct editing of quotation sequences requires human > thought, not just mechanical text manipulation. Even though some people > expect their computers to think for them. I'd be happier if more clients at least allowed th

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/21/2015 8:52 PM, William Bagwell wrote: On Saturday 21 March 2015, Al Black wrote: Although the ideal solution is obviously users changing their behaviour and or MUAs, I've wondered whether an "auto-trim" function within mailman would make sense (for digest users...) Yes! For every one, n

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Saturday 21 March 2015, Al Black wrote: > Although the ideal solution is obviously users changing their behaviour > and or MUAs, I've wondered whether an "auto-trim" function within mailman > would make sense (for digest users...)   Yes! For every one, not just digest users. And it should defau

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 2015-03-20, at 9:39 PM, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> I've always found it proper and useful to include the quoted material >> of the original message, but trim the quotes to just the bit you are >> responding to. I'd call this interleaved-with-trimming. >> >> Top posti

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 22:39 -0500, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > I think users who prefer top-posting are mostly giving into their MUA's > defaults. I don't think most users face MUA inability to edit quoted > material. I find the users are also unwilling to put more time into > editing, so they

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Barry Warsaw wrote: I've always found it proper and useful to include the quoted material of the original message, but trim the quotes to just the bit you are responding to. I'd call this interleaved-with-trimming. Top posting has always been a serious breach of netiquette. I concur and I stil

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:39:00 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: Hello Stephen, >Usenet over UUCP via 300 baud modems on backbone servers with 5MB >disks.[1] Same went for FTNs, etc. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately appar

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:52:19 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: Hello Tanstaafl, >On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: >> In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the >> program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being >> replied to came from a list and offer a "Re

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Richard Damon writes: > Thunderbird isn't quite like that, but when I reply to a message from > the list I am given 3 options: > > Reply > Reply All > Reply to List > > The Reply to List option is made available by the List-Post header I > believe. I don't understand why they do it t

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Lindsay Haisley writes: > I never quite understood all the fuss about top posting. Usenet over UUCP via 300 baud modems on backbone servers with 5MB disks.[1] > The reason behind quoting in the first place is to provide context > for a reply, but some MUAs make it very difficult to not top po

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

jdd writes: > Le 20/03/2015 01:45, Mark Sapiro a écrit : > > > This is a major hot-button issue for me, The above is only scratching > > the surface. > > > smartphones makes things horrible, on android, selecting text for > deletion is nearly impossible :-(( This is true. On many lists I

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/20/15 9:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a "Reply to List" option in addition to a simpl

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 14:37 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Only superficially. The point is that both of these MUAs are > list-aware > > and offer options appropriately. > > No, the point is you apparently can't simply acknowledge that you > mis-spoke/made a mistake. Tanstaafl, it it will make you

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/20/2015 11:09 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 10:49 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> You said "In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button >> the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being >> replied to came from a list and offer a "Reply to L

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 10:49 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Ummm... this is not what you said initially. > > You said "In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button > the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being > replied to came from a list and offer a "Reply to Lis

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/20/2015 10:27 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > My MUA of choice is Evolution, formerly from Ximian but now a gnome GPL > project. It has this feature, as does Thunderbird, which is fairly > popular. I was under the impression that Outlook and/or Outlook Express > had it too, but I'm not sure ab

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> On Mar 20, 2015, at 03:23 AM, Peter Shute wrote: > > If you're referring to the problem of getting the selection boundaries in > exactly the right spot, I'm well familiar with that. So easy to get them > within one or two characters, but requires excessive concentration and effort > to get

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On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 10:07 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > I'm sure I'm proudly in the minority, but I use Claws Mail almost > > exclusively > > and it has very good reply-to-list support. > > Sounds like Thunderbird's 'Smart Reply' button, which I really like, but > don't use much because I can't p

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On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 09:52 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program > > will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came > > from a list and offer a "Reply to List" option in addition to a simple > > reply, which gen

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/20/2015 10:03 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/20/2015 06:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: >>> In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program >>> will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came >>> from a l

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On 3/20/2015 9:58 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 20, 2015, at 09:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> I'd really like to know which email user agents really do this. >> >> In my experience, none of the ones used by 99+% of the worlds population >> actually use do this. > > I'm sure I'm proudly in the

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On 03/20/2015 06:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: >> In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program >> will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came >> from a list and offer a "Reply to List" option in additio

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On Mar 20, 2015, at 09:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >I'd really like to know which email user agents really do this. > >In my experience, none of the ones used by 99+% of the worlds population >actually use do this. I'm sure I'm proudly in the minority, but I use Claws Mail almost exclusively and it h

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Sent from the Dehut/Haisley iPad email > On Mar 20, 2015, at 12:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Lindsay Haisley writes: > >> As far as editing, top posting, bottom posting, etc. it's just a matter >> of using good sense. > > This list strongly prefers interlinear posting (posting > be

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program > will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came > from a list and offer a "Reply to List" option in addition to a simple > reply, which generally goes pr

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On 3/20/2015 1:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I don't know of anybody who prefers "bottom-posting" (and it's a bad > idea to use that term as I've seen newbies instructed to "bottom-post" > do exactly that, leaving 50 lines of original text and adding two > lines at the bottom). And I've see

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On 3/20/15 8:27 AM, A.K. Eyma wrote: Having all mail of a list come in with [listname] first in each subject line is more tidy. In that way you would differentiate at one glance in your inbox between Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way for responses that have been sent offlist to you and [Mai

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While in the topic of replying, why does mailman put the "Re:" before the [listname]? Or rather inserts the list name after the Re: ? (For you send it out as "Re: The right way") Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

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On 03/19/2015 10:39 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Andrew Stuart writes: > > > and does it matter what other addresses go into to and cc fields. > > It doesn't matter for mechanical purposes. To, CC, and BCC are all > routed the same way (using RCPT TO aka "envelope recipient" at the > SMTP l

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On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, Andrew Stuart wrote: When I reply to a message on a mailing list, what is the ???right??? way to do it? Not sure if there is a right way for everybody. Definitely there is a way I like it to happen and ways which I find extremely annoying. Should I be deleting previous

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> On 20 Mar 2015, at 6:20 pm, jdd wrote: > > Le 20/03/2015 08:16, Peter Shute a écrit : > >> Getting off the subject, do you mean selecting quoted text, or any >> text? I've never used an Android device, and I assumed that this kind >> of basic task would be easier than on an iPhone. Perhaps not

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Le 20/03/2015 08:16, Peter Shute a écrit : Getting off the subject, do you mean selecting quoted text, or any text? I've never used an Android device, and I assumed that this kind of basic task would be easier than on an iPhone. Perhaps not. selecting old text to trim it. May be I have too lar

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> On 20 Mar 2015, at 6:05 pm, jdd wrote: > > Le 20/03/2015 01:45, Mark Sapiro a écrit : > >> This is a major hot-button issue for me, The above is only scratching >> the surface. > smartphones makes things horrible, on android, selecting text for > deletion is nearly impossible :-(( Getting of

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Le 20/03/2015 01:45, Mark Sapiro a écrit : This is a major hot-button issue for me, The above is only scratching the surface. smartphones makes things horrible, on android, selecting text for deletion is nearly impossible :-(( jdd -- Mailma

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