Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Richard Rettke]

On 8 Oct 2016, at 11:10, Randall Meadows randy.mead...@not-pc.com  
wrote:


To each his own. I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me 
to delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands 
leaving the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I 
don't have time right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it 
marked unread (which selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for 
later.
Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us   all   with a 
plethora of settings. :)




I too prefer the current behavior. I do not read messages in sequence 
and prefer not to have any selected. Also, if it selected the next 
message I would be at risk for accidental deletion. I sometimes read and 
delete, and sometimes due to infirmity, double tap the delete key. 
Having a message selected automatically could cause it to be unknowingly 
or unexpectedly deleted.


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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[John Muccigrosso]

My suggestion also leaves the next message unread since I have preview off. 
Having nothing selected after delete is a hassle. 

John Muccigrosso

> Il giorno 08 ott 2016, alle ore 12:10, Randall Meadows 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 6:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
> 
> I wrote in another thread:
> 
> 2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left selected. I’d 
> rather the next message in the thread get selected. I’m a keyboard guy, and 
> while this isn’t a big deal if the message I want is the last one in the 
> inbox (just hit the up arrow), it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the 
> arrow multiple times or use the mouse.
> 
> Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, which I 
> would not prefer, but having no message be selected after deleting an open 
> one is not good, IMO.
> To each his own. I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to 
> delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands leaving 
> the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I don't have time 
> right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it marked unread (which 
> selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for later.
> 
> Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us all with a plethora of 
> settings. :)
> 
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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Randall Meadows]

On 8 Oct 2016, at 6:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


I wrote in another thread:

2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left 
selected. I’d rather the next message in the thread get selected. 
I’m a keyboard guy, and while this isn’t a big deal if the 
message I want is the last one in the inbox (just hit the up arrow), 
it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the arrow multiple 
times or use the mouse.


Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, 
which I would not prefer, but having no message be selected after 
deleting an open one is not good, IMO.


To each his own.  I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to 
delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands 
leaving the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I 
don't have time right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it 
marked unread (which selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for 
later.


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[MlMt] Database.noindex

[Steven M. Bellovin]

I exclude Database.noindex from my Time Machine dumps or backups take 
far too long.  When I had to restore one of my computers from backup, 
the lack of that directory meant that it had to refetch lots of mail.  
OK, fine -- but it seemed to lose track of the files that were there; as 
a result, Library/Application Support/MailMate was more than twice as 
large as on the machine next to it.  That isn't a trivial problem for 
me; I'm taking about 45 GB versus 112 GB...  (Right now, I'm deleting 
the MailMate directory; I'll copy over the 45 GB one when that's done.)





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Re: [MlMt] Preferences files shared between different hosts

[Volker Kopetzky]

Not exactly.

1. start the old mac in target mode (hold T)
2. connect via firewire 

OR

1. start the old mac normally
2. connect via network cable

Then:
1. on the new mac, logon with a user ID not identical to your user on the old 
mac
2. initiate transfer from the old mac: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204350

Best,
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> Am 08.10.2016 um 16:59 schrieb Patrik Fältström :
> 
> Aha! Ok, good catch!
> 
> I got it.
> 
> So what you say is that:
> 
> 1. Take the old mac
> 2. Take the new mac
> 3. Connect the two with an as fast connection as possible
> 4. Ensure MailMate is not running on either of the two
> 5. Copy the ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate directory from old to new 
> host
> 
>   paf
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:51, Volker Kopetzky wrote:
>> 
>> You won’t need a time machine, just a firewire cable and the old machine 
>> started in Target mode.
>> 
>> After that, all your settings/folders in MailMate will be identical on both 
>> machines and -- as MM uses IMAP -- you can work with both machines. Just new 
>> mailboxes or changes to smart mailboxes will stay local.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Volker
>> 
>>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:48, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Of course this works if you restore from a TimeMachine, but if you want to 
>>> use the old and new...
>>> 
>>>   paf
>>> 
 On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:46, Volker Kopetzky wrote:
 
 I just bought a new macbook pro and simply restored all user data from the 
 old laptop. In regards to MailMate that was everything I needed to do. It 
 started right away with all mailboxrs, folders and no email was missed.
 
 Best,
 Volker
 
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:44, Patrik Fältström wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Once again I have the need for starting use MailMate on a different host. 
> This time because the trackpad and keyboard died on my laptop, and I have 
> to launch a backup machine.
> 
> And copy settings etc to that new host.
> 
> I will copy the files by using DropBox and of course I once again thought 
> about having settings there all the time and hard/soft links to the 
> DropBox folder.
> 
> I think I really would like to:
> 
> 1. Know what files we talk about that can be copied to a different host
> 2. Why not have them in a separate directory in the settings "hierarchy"
> 3. Hopefully MailMate will open/do changes/read/write/close in short 
> bursts (and not keep the files open)
> 4. Could MailMate state(2) those files now and then, detect when files 
> changes, and if so read the files and apps settings?
> 
> But, many things in for example the Mailboxes.plist file include UUID's 
> for the identification of the mailboxes. I have not digged into that too 
> much yet, but I guess the UUID's might be different on different clients 
> even if they are the same IMAP mailbox?
> 
> Yes, I know the plan is to have settings stored in the IMAP server 
> itself, but that implies you must have account settings set manually 
> before the settings can be applied. A catch-22.
> 
> On the other hand, there can be race conditions anyway when for example 
> DropBox is sync:ed, MailMate started and DropBox has not sync:ed the 
> settings, MailMate create new settings and DropBox then sync the 
> settings...etc.
> 
> But I think those race conditions will happen regardless of whether the 
> settings are stored in IMAP or by some shared file system...
> 
> So, at least I think I would like to see in the manual one page saying 
> "if you want to start running MailMate on a new host, these are the 
> recommended steps...".
> 
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Re: [MlMt] Preferences files shared between different hosts

[Patrik Fältström]

Aha! Ok, good catch!

I got it.

So what you say is that:

1. Take the old mac
2. Take the new mac
3. Connect the two with an as fast connection as possible
4. Ensure MailMate is not running on either of the two
5. Copy the ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate directory from old to new 
host

   paf

On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:51, Volker Kopetzky wrote:

> You won’t need a time machine, just a firewire cable and the old machine 
> started in Target mode.
>
> After that, all your settings/folders in MailMate will be identical on both 
> machines and -- as MM uses IMAP -- you can work with both machines. Just new 
> mailboxes or changes to smart mailboxes will stay local.
>
> Best,
> Volker
>
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:48, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Of course this works if you restore from a TimeMachine, but if you want to 
>> use the old and new...
>>
>>paf
>>
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:46, Volker Kopetzky wrote:
>>
>>> I just bought a new macbook pro and simply restored all user data from the 
>>> old laptop. In regards to MailMate that was everything I needed to do. It 
>>> started right away with all mailboxrs, folders and no email was missed.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Volker
>>>
>>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:44, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 Once again I have the need for starting use MailMate on a different host. 
 This time because the trackpad and keyboard died on my laptop, and I have 
 to launch a backup machine.

 And copy settings etc to that new host.

 I will copy the files by using DropBox and of course I once again thought 
 about having settings there all the time and hard/soft links to the 
 DropBox folder.

 I think I really would like to:

 1. Know what files we talk about that can be copied to a different host
 2. Why not have them in a separate directory in the settings "hierarchy"
 3. Hopefully MailMate will open/do changes/read/write/close in short 
 bursts (and not keep the files open)
 4. Could MailMate state(2) those files now and then, detect when files 
 changes, and if so read the files and apps settings?

 But, many things in for example the Mailboxes.plist file include UUID's 
 for the identification of the mailboxes. I have not digged into that too 
 much yet, but I guess the UUID's might be different on different clients 
 even if they are the same IMAP mailbox?

 Yes, I know the plan is to have settings stored in the IMAP server itself, 
 but that implies you must have account settings set manually before the 
 settings can be applied. A catch-22.

 On the other hand, there can be race conditions anyway when for example 
 DropBox is sync:ed, MailMate started and DropBox has not sync:ed the 
 settings, MailMate create new settings and DropBox then sync the 
 settings...etc.

 But I think those race conditions will happen regardless of whether the 
 settings are stored in IMAP or by some shared file system...

 So, at least I think I would like to see in the manual one page saying "if 
 you want to start running MailMate on a new host, these are the 
 recommended steps...".

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Re: [MlMt] Preferences files shared between different hosts

[Volker Kopetzky]

You won’t need a time machine, just a firewire cable and the old machine 
started in Target mode.

After that, all your settings/folders in MailMate will be identical on both 
machines and -- as MM uses IMAP -- you can work with both machines. Just new 
mailboxes or changes to smart mailboxes will stay local.

Best,
Volker

On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:48, Patrik Fältström wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Of course this works if you restore from a TimeMachine, but if you want to 
> use the old and new...
>
>paf
>
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:46, Volker Kopetzky wrote:
>
>> I just bought a new macbook pro and simply restored all user data from the 
>> old laptop. In regards to MailMate that was everything I needed to do. It 
>> started right away with all mailboxrs, folders and no email was missed.
>>
>> Best,
>> Volker
>>
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:44, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Once again I have the need for starting use MailMate on a different host. 
>>> This time because the trackpad and keyboard died on my laptop, and I have 
>>> to launch a backup machine.
>>>
>>> And copy settings etc to that new host.
>>>
>>> I will copy the files by using DropBox and of course I once again thought 
>>> about having settings there all the time and hard/soft links to the DropBox 
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> I think I really would like to:
>>>
>>> 1. Know what files we talk about that can be copied to a different host
>>> 2. Why not have them in a separate directory in the settings "hierarchy"
>>> 3. Hopefully MailMate will open/do changes/read/write/close in short bursts 
>>> (and not keep the files open)
>>> 4. Could MailMate state(2) those files now and then, detect when files 
>>> changes, and if so read the files and apps settings?
>>>
>>> But, many things in for example the Mailboxes.plist file include UUID's for 
>>> the identification of the mailboxes. I have not digged into that too much 
>>> yet, but I guess the UUID's might be different on different clients even if 
>>> they are the same IMAP mailbox?
>>>
>>> Yes, I know the plan is to have settings stored in the IMAP server itself, 
>>> but that implies you must have account settings set manually before the 
>>> settings can be applied. A catch-22.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, there can be race conditions anyway when for example 
>>> DropBox is sync:ed, MailMate started and DropBox has not sync:ed the 
>>> settings, MailMate create new settings and DropBox then sync the 
>>> settings...etc.
>>>
>>> But I think those race conditions will happen regardless of whether the 
>>> settings are stored in IMAP or by some shared file system...
>>>
>>> So, at least I think I would like to see in the manual one page saying "if 
>>> you want to start running MailMate on a new host, these are the recommended 
>>> steps...".
>>>
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Re: [MlMt] Preferences files shared between different hosts

[Patrik Fältström]

Hi,

Of course this works if you restore from a TimeMachine, but if you want to use 
the old and new...

   paf

On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:46, Volker Kopetzky wrote:

> I just bought a new macbook pro and simply restored all user data from the 
> old laptop. In regards to MailMate that was everything I needed to do. It 
> started right away with all mailboxrs, folders and no email was missed.
>
> Best,
> Volker
>
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:44, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Once again I have the need for starting use MailMate on a different host. 
>> This time because the trackpad and keyboard died on my laptop, and I have to 
>> launch a backup machine.
>>
>> And copy settings etc to that new host.
>>
>> I will copy the files by using DropBox and of course I once again thought 
>> about having settings there all the time and hard/soft links to the DropBox 
>> folder.
>>
>> I think I really would like to:
>>
>> 1. Know what files we talk about that can be copied to a different host
>> 2. Why not have them in a separate directory in the settings "hierarchy"
>> 3. Hopefully MailMate will open/do changes/read/write/close in short bursts 
>> (and not keep the files open)
>> 4. Could MailMate state(2) those files now and then, detect when files 
>> changes, and if so read the files and apps settings?
>>
>> But, many things in for example the Mailboxes.plist file include UUID's for 
>> the identification of the mailboxes. I have not digged into that too much 
>> yet, but I guess the UUID's might be different on different clients even if 
>> they are the same IMAP mailbox?
>>
>> Yes, I know the plan is to have settings stored in the IMAP server itself, 
>> but that implies you must have account settings set manually before the 
>> settings can be applied. A catch-22.
>>
>> On the other hand, there can be race conditions anyway when for example 
>> DropBox is sync:ed, MailMate started and DropBox has not sync:ed the 
>> settings, MailMate create new settings and DropBox then sync the 
>> settings...etc.
>>
>> But I think those race conditions will happen regardless of whether the 
>> settings are stored in IMAP or by some shared file system...
>>
>> So, at least I think I would like to see in the manual one page saying "if 
>> you want to start running MailMate on a new host, these are the recommended 
>> steps...".
>>
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Re: [MlMt] Preferences files shared between different hosts

[Volker Kopetzky]

I just bought a new macbook pro and simply restored all user data from the old 
laptop. In regards to MailMate that was everything I needed to do. It started 
right away with all mailboxrs, folders and no email was missed.

Best,
Volker

On 8 Oct 2016, at 16:44, Patrik Fältström wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Once again I have the need for starting use MailMate on a different host. 
> This time because the trackpad and keyboard died on my laptop, and I have to 
> launch a backup machine.
>
> And copy settings etc to that new host.
>
> I will copy the files by using DropBox and of course I once again thought 
> about having settings there all the time and hard/soft links to the DropBox 
> folder.
>
> I think I really would like to:
>
> 1. Know what files we talk about that can be copied to a different host
> 2. Why not have them in a separate directory in the settings "hierarchy"
> 3. Hopefully MailMate will open/do changes/read/write/close in short bursts 
> (and not keep the files open)
> 4. Could MailMate state(2) those files now and then, detect when files 
> changes, and if so read the files and apps settings?
>
> But, many things in for example the Mailboxes.plist file include UUID's for 
> the identification of the mailboxes. I have not digged into that too much 
> yet, but I guess the UUID's might be different on different clients even if 
> they are the same IMAP mailbox?
>
> Yes, I know the plan is to have settings stored in the IMAP server itself, 
> but that implies you must have account settings set manually before the 
> settings can be applied. A catch-22.
>
> On the other hand, there can be race conditions anyway when for example 
> DropBox is sync:ed, MailMate started and DropBox has not sync:ed the 
> settings, MailMate create new settings and DropBox then sync the 
> settings...etc.
>
> But I think those race conditions will happen regardless of whether the 
> settings are stored in IMAP or by some shared file system...
>
> So, at least I think I would like to see in the manual one page saying "if 
> you want to start running MailMate on a new host, these are the recommended 
> steps...".
>
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[MlMt] Preferences files shared between different hosts

[Patrik Fältström]

Hi,

Once again I have the need for starting use MailMate on a different host. This 
time because the trackpad and keyboard died on my laptop, and I have to launch 
a backup machine.

And copy settings etc to that new host.

I will copy the files by using DropBox and of course I once again thought about 
having settings there all the time and hard/soft links to the DropBox folder.

I think I really would like to:

1. Know what files we talk about that can be copied to a different host
2. Why not have them in a separate directory in the settings "hierarchy"
3. Hopefully MailMate will open/do changes/read/write/close in short bursts 
(and not keep the files open)
4. Could MailMate state(2) those files now and then, detect when files changes, 
and if so read the files and apps settings?

But, many things in for example the Mailboxes.plist file include UUID's for the 
identification of the mailboxes. I have not digged into that too much yet, but 
I guess the UUID's might be different on different clients even if they are the 
same IMAP mailbox?

Yes, I know the plan is to have settings stored in the IMAP server itself, but 
that implies you must have account settings set manually before the settings 
can be applied. A catch-22.

On the other hand, there can be race conditions anyway when for example DropBox 
is sync:ed, MailMate started and DropBox has not sync:ed the settings, MailMate 
create new settings and DropBox then sync the settings...etc.

But I think those race conditions will happen regardless of whether the 
settings are stored in IMAP or by some shared file system...

So, at least I think I would like to see in the manual one page saying "if you 
want to start running MailMate on a new host, these are the recommended 
steps...".

   paf


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[MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[John D. Muccigrosso]

I wrote in another thread:

2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left 
selected. I’d rather the next message in the thread get selected. 
I’m a keyboard guy, and while this isn’t a big deal if the message 
I want is the last one in the inbox (just hit the up arrow), it’s a 
pain if it’s not and I have to hit the arrow multiple times or use 
the mouse.


Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, 
which I would not prefer, but having no message be selected after 
deleting an open one is not good, IMO.


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