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Re: [MlMt] override built-in keybindings

2022-03-04 Thread Henry Seiden

Great idea, Sam. If it can’t go through MM, then at the system level, 
seems like you should be able to get it to work the way you want. I 
would try through the app itself and if not found there, the at the 
System level.


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On 4 Mar 2022, at 11:24, Sam Birch wrote:


Same as in any Mac app:

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/create-keyboard-shortcuts-for-apps-mchlp2271/12.0/mac/12.0

Cheers,
-sam

On 4 Mar 2022, at 8:52, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,
Does anyone know how to override/change/delete keybinding associated 
with built-in functions, like those in the Edit->Find dropdown menu?

Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] override built-in keybindings

2022-03-04 Thread Henry Seiden

Good to hear. There are clearly some issues we uniquely have with MM and 
they’re different in differing conditions, connection methods, etc. 
They do occur.


On another subject, I posted an issue with registering MM on specific 
servers, when moving laptops’ locations wirelessly connecting them. 
Particularly Yahoo! where the server claims it gets overloaded with to 
many requests (error A1) from MM and results in error reports and 
failures when changing from one connection method to another. That was a 
Yikes(!) moment for me, although to be honest I hardly use Yahoo!




Respectfully,

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On 4 Mar 2022, at 11:07, Zvi Biener wrote:

Thank you. That's useful. However, functions like the Find menu don't 
show up in any standard KeyBinding files (either at the user or the 
system level, as far as I could find). And even if they are defined at 
the user level (by, say, DefaultKeyBindings.plist, let alone through 
MM), they are still captured by whatever deeper mechanism is 
responsible for them at the system level (which isn't 
StandardKeyBindings.plist). I'm now looking at Karabinger-Elements, 
maybe it can help... I'll report if that works.


On 4 Mar 2022, at 10:00, Henry Seiden wrote:


Zvi,

Only clue I have for you is the listings in MailMate Help (MM 
menu>Help>MailMate Help).


Once open, search for “Key Binding Selectors” for the Navigation 
listing of the terminal commands and what they do to determine what 
you want . See the further instructions in “Custom Key Bindings” 
on adding/changing/modifying specific subsets. Turns out that the 
Help Document is searchable for those terms and the latter one above 
gives specific instructions you may find useful.


Henry


Respectfully,

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On 4 Mar 2022, at 8:52, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,
Does anyone know how to override/change/delete keybinding associated 
with built-in functions, like those in the Edit->Find dropdown menu?

Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate r5874 Issue with accounts [Yahoo Server fails to stay online when laptop moves to a new internet connection]

2022-03-07 Thread Henry Seiden


Sam,

What makes you think that I haven’t done that? Case#2999.

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On 7 Mar 2022, at 9:36, Sam Birch wrote:


On 7 Mar 2022, at 8:04, Henry Seiden wrote:

Just letting you know of continuing issue with Accounts staying on 
line, in particular Yahoo! Coming back with an A1 connection error. I 
found that do duplicate the issue regularly in this [and so on]


Henry,

Would you consider using the “Send Feedback…” command in 
MailMate’s Help menu to report problems, rather than the mailing 
list?


Cheers,
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[MlMt] Mailmate r5874 Issue with accounts [Yahoo Server fails to stay online when laptop moves to a new internet connection]

2022-03-07 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello,

Just letting you know of continuing issue with Accounts staying on line, 
in particular Yahoo! Coming back with an A1 connection error. I found 
that do duplicate the issue regularly in this version, and I think later 
revisions as well of MailMate here are the steps:
1. Starting with a working, non-failing condition of MailMate, select a 
different connection method. For instance without leaving my house, I 
chose to go from a LAN connection (plugged in LAN cable) to wireless 
connection (unplug the LAN cable and turn on the Wireless on the same 
machine).

2. MailMate was left open on the desktop.
3. Immediately (within 30 seconds of changing connection methods the 
warning popped up that the connection to Yahoo! Server had failed due to 
the error and a choice of try later or take the account off-line was 
required.
4. Disconnecting the account (taking it off line) got rid of the 
warning.
5. Leaving it off for over 30 seconds, then turning it back to online 
did NOT solve the problem. However, closing MailMate app for about a 
minute and then restarting did solve the problem permanently, until the 
next move to another wired or wireless connection.


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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate r5874 Issue with accounts [Yahoo Server fails to stay online when laptop moves to a new internet connection]

2022-03-07 Thread Henry Seiden


Sam,

Checking to see if anyone else has seen this, the fact that it was 
previously reported, offer a workaround for that problem that might be 
useful in the interim to others, see if other specific accounts are 
similarly affected, since replication on some accounts does not occur 
and only one does (with me) some additional feedback would be in order.


You know, stuff like that.

Respectfully,

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On 7 Mar 2022, at 10:21, Sam Birch wrote:


On 7 Mar 2022, at 10:03, Henry Seiden wrote:


What makes you think that I haven’t done that? Case#2999.


I guess I don’t see why you’d do both.
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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate r5874 Issue with accounts [Yahoo Server fails to stay online when laptop moves to a new internet connection]

2022-03-07 Thread Henry Seiden


Bill,

Setting to a 1 HR Synchronization seems to have done it (one step before 
Manually checking. It was 10 minutes. Changing back and forth between 
wired and WiFi seems to cause no failures. I suppose you could catch it 
at a bad time so it might hqppen to synchronize, but the chances of that 
seem small.


Thanks for the tip and explanations.

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On 7 Mar 2022, at 13:27, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2022-03-07 at 13:02:36 UTC-0500 (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 18:02:36 +)
 
is rumored to have said:


Bill,

Sounds like you and I have the same experience and use case for 
Yahoo! Mail.


So what settings should I use for manually checking mail there. 
Alternatively if I could slow it down considerably like 15 minute 
intervals, that would be great.


The "Sychronization schedule" for any source is accessible via 
right-click on a source mailbox or account.




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Re: [MlMt] "Date Received" column width

2022-03-11 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Randall,

There may be additional steps, I see that when the Date Received column 
is on the far right it appears to act differently. Firstly, the 
rightmost column is right justified. I tried moving that column one 
space to the left, then adjusting it size-wise , then pushing it back 
over and it seems to work. [Maybe we should share some screen 
shots](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2a80zy41i2usxwk/AACvqtzpwrJ4gLqTmDRtuqona?dl=0)?


How about if you send an example of the problem you’re seeing?

Not sure why your “virtual” mailboxes are labelled differently than 
mine, but they seem to be so. Possibly the name is inherited from the 
name of the IMAP Servers default accounts list? Not sure of that. 
Subject of another question for someone else.


So, I am sending several step-by step screen shots of the menus and how 
I did the column adjustments. If it doesn’t work the same for you in 
r5875, please file a feedback report with Benny. I believe that it works 
the way I demonstrate it  and that’s bout all I can tell you, that 
setting the top level account  or virtual account (E.G. Inbox/All 
Inboxes) adjusts all the sub-mailboxes, both as to width and relative 
column locations and I find it very handy to have this feature. Looking 
just at the All Inbox while we adjust.


See my Dropbox link for the 4 screenshots, and images’ descriptions:
1. Starting position of the Date Received Column all the way over on the 
right hand side. Time stamp@21.09.41.
2. Moved the date Received column in on spot to the left. You can check 
other sub mailboxes to see if the size is reflected there. Time 
stamp@21.10.16.
3. Use your cursor to adjust the column in question. I this case I made 
it much bigger. Note that Today would be replaced by the full date 
because for some reason I am using a relative setting, the column goes 
all the way over to the TOD. Timestamp  @21.11.22.
4. Slide the column back to its original spot. Note that the same column 
width travels to the new location and that the new location and column 
width is reflected on all sub-folders below in the hierarchy. Time 
stamp:21.12.06.


You can change the columns displayed in the list by CTL+clicking in the 
heading to show your column choices. I tried the same functionality in 
specifically created, non-generic mailboxes like this User Group. Works 
the same.


So what I’m saying is that any single grouping of mailboxes can be 
adjusted the way you like, not just a grouping. Extremely versatile!



Respectfully,

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On 11 Mar 2022, at 18:26, Randall Gellens wrote:

Those are the built-in virtual mailboxes. I'd adjusted the date column 
width on the "All Messages" and "Inbox" (which is I think the "All 
Inboxes" you mentioned) but it doesn't seem to carry down to the 
individual mailboxes.


--Randall

On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:12, Henry Seiden wrote:


Randall,

Mailbox list left side menu>Mailboxes group. E.G. All Inbox, All 
Archives, All Drafts, etc.


If you change All Inbox column, you will affect all the sub-mailboxes 
under them. Likewise if you change the group, you affect all the 
subset mailboxes. That’s what I meant. Likewise the column width.


Of course changing the display size likewise affect all in different 
ways (Full-screen settings).


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On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:09, Randall Gellens wrote:


Hi Henry,

I'm not sure what you mean by "each group" and "sub-set items" or 
how that is different from just dragging the column in the main 
viewer window to make it bigger. Do you mean in the auto-created 
virtual mailboxes at the top of the main viewer window?


--Randall

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Re: [MlMt] "Date Received" column width

2022-03-09 Thread Henry Seiden


Randall,

Mailbox list left side menu>Mailboxes group. E.G. All Inbox, All 
Archives, All Drafts, etc.


If you change All Inbox column, you will affect all the sub-mailboxes 
under them. Likewise if you change the group, you affect all the subset 
mailboxes. That’s what I meant. Likewise the column width.


Of course changing the display size likewise affect all in different 
ways (Full-screen settings).


Respectfully,

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On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:09, Randall Gellens wrote:


Hi Henry,

I'm not sure what you mean by "each group" and "sub-set items" or how 
that is different from just dragging the column in the main viewer 
window to make it bigger. Do you mean in the auto-created virtual 
mailboxes at the top of the main viewer window?


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Re: [MlMt] "Date Received" column width

2022-03-08 Thread Henry Seiden


Randall,

Setting the column width in the section of each group (example “Sent 
Items”) sticks it in All the sub-set items in my Test Build version 
r5874+. Maybe try that. Also the relative position of the column is 
likewise set for all other members. Not sure what the intent was 
originally.


Respectfully,

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On 8 Mar 2022, at 22:06, Randall Gellens wrote:

The column width of "Date Received" keeps shrinking back to its 
default, which isn't wide enough to display some times, so it just 
shows the date. I manually enlarge it, but then at some point it's 
shrunk back again. Is there a way to get it to stick, or better, to 
have it automatically adjust?


It would also be nice to display just the time for messages received 
today.


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Re: [MlMt] Thread-Id[Mailing Lists mailbox, reply relocated in 5871]

2022-02-21 Thread Henry Seiden


Agreed.

Moreover, the thread where it is a Mailing List go to that special 
mailbox by default, by account. You can label the account by the 
senders’ name, E.G., “MailMate Users Forum” to access all the 
forum emails, where the threaded emails reside. Another terrific 
feature!


Somehow, my settings have slipped and reply text has now moved into the 
body of the email by default, where it used to be at the end (after the 
Signature). Anybody have a clue where this setting is now, in 5871? My  
workaround is to manually relocate it until I find the solution.


Respectfully,

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On 11 Feb 2022, at 19:33, leo wrote:


Hi all

MailMate offers me the field „Thread-Id`“ for mailing list thread 
related filtering. This works well.


However I would like to convert some of my mailing list logic from the 
client (MailMate) to the mail server (via a sieve script). But in the 
raw message of, let’s say, the MailMate mailing list I cannot find a 
header `thread-id` or similar.


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Re: [MlMt] Printing of a message

2022-02-21 Thread Henry Seiden


Thomas, Benny:

For me (similarly) on Mac OS 12.2.1 and version 1.14 Build 5871, the 
print dialog doesn’t open at all first with the message and a reply 
selected, like Benny’s reply. With only Benny’s reply selected it 
will open twice frequently, but inconsistency.


FWIW, I could not duplicate the flickering issue in previous version on 
any of my (three) screens running varying resolutions but all running 
60fps. Did not try at 30fps which I hear some people use on extended 
screens.



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On 21 Feb 2022, at 6:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Feb 2022, at 12:04, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

With version 1.14 (5870), running on macOS 12.2.1, the print dialogue 
always opens twice: The first time a message is printed without 
header, i.e. only the body. Then the print dialogue opens again and 
the message can be printed completely. Is this only the case with me 
or is it a general problem?


It's a general problem (except I don't see the window opening twice). 
MailMate appears to not properly wait for the message to be ready to 
be printed (but it's a race condition where it'll work some times). 
This is a likely bug to have been introduced in relation to recent 
changes in which I changed how this works (to fix long standing 
flickering issues). I'll be looking into it.


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Re: [MlMt] Thread-Id[Mailing Lists mailbox, reply relocated in 5871]

2022-02-21 Thread Henry Seiden




Respectfully,

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On 21 Feb 2022, at 12:31, Pete Resnick via mailmate wrote:


On 21 Feb 2022, at 7:13, Henry Seiden wrote:

Somehow, my settings have slipped and reply text has now moved into 
the body of the email by default, where it used to be at the end 
(after the Signature). Anybody have a clue where this setting is now, 
in 5871? My workaround is to manually relocate it until I find the 
solution.


MailMate->Preferences...->Signatures->Default signature placement
MailMate->Preferences...->Signatures->Caret placement

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Re: [MlMt] Thread-Id[Mailing Lists mailbox, reply relocated in 5871]

2022-02-21 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Pete,

You were right. Default Signature placement on Top needed to be 
reselected for some reason after new update installation. Not sure 
how/why Caret Placement is supposed to work, but the Above Signature 
setting choices seems to work for new replies.


For me, these two settings place the replies after the signature as in 
this message, without having to move anything manually.  NB, a 
previously prepared Draft message retains however it was previously set 
without respect to Signature Preferences’ settings. Not sure what the 
caret position is defined as (thought it was the leading character on 
the reply, which in this reply follows the last part of the signature 
block (not, “Above Signature”), whatever that means.


Sadly, none of these settings are explained adequately, IMO, in the Help 
documents. So thanks for your confirmations.


Respectfully,

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On 21 Feb 2022, at 12:31, Pete Resnick via mailmate wrote:


On 21 Feb 2022, at 7:13, Henry Seiden wrote:

Somehow, my settings have slipped and reply text has now moved into 
the body of the email by default, where it used to be at the end 
(after the Signature). Anybody have a clue where this setting is now, 
in 5871? My workaround is to manually relocate it until I find the 
solution.


MailMate->Preferences...->Signatures->Default signature placement
MailMate->Preferences...->Signatures->Caret placement

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Re: [MlMt] How to set columns and sort for all list views?

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden

Hey Quinn,

See my recent post about column hierarchy and date sorting issues. It go
towards an explanation of what you are seeing too.

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On 22 Feb 2022, at 15:55, Quinn Comendant wrote:

I've still been breaking my brain with the inconsistency of columns
and sort in MailMate. Today I discovered the state is saved in the
MailMate preferences, under `MmMailboxRelatedStates`, where *each view
has its own column settings*. This shows clearly that this is a
feature not a bug. It's an undesirable behavior for me, so I googled
this and found some old threads
[[1]](https://mailmate.freron.narkive.com/0wbncv72/mlmt-revert-to-default-columns-revert-to-different-columns-depending-on-mailbox)[[2]](https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2017-June/008297.html)
on the mailing list that suggest I can quit MailMate, delete this
preference key by running the following `defaults` command in the
terminal, then re-configure my default view:

defaults delete com.freron.MailMate MmMailboxRelatedStates

After relaunching MailMate, I selected the top-most view of my IMAP
account, set the columns how I want, then selected “Use as Default
Columns”. This worked! It didn't apply to Drafts, Sent, or Spam
folders, but all other folders now have the default columns applied.

However, I still don't see a way to reset the sort preferences in the
same way. For example, every time I switch from Widescreen Layout to
Correspondence Layout, the list of correspondence is sorted with
newest messages at the bottom. Is there a way to set newest messages
at the top for all views, everywhere, always?

Quinn

On 2 Jan 2022, at 22:34, Quinn Comendant wrote:

On 2 Jan 2022, at 19:07, Bob Stern via mailmate wrote:

What version of MMt are you using?

I'm using version 1.14 (5853) on macOS 12.1, 2021 M1 Pro MBP.

I can reproduce this issue as follows:

1. Open my Inbox by clicking the Inbox folder icon in the left
sidebar.
2. Apply some arbitrary column settings, e.g., right-click a column
header and show UID and move it to be the leftmost column.

3. Right-click a column header and select "Use as Default Columns".
4. Navigate to a different folder (click in the left sidebar).
5. The new column settings that I saved are not displayed there.
Also, if I right-click on a column header the "Revert to Default
Columns" option is disabled.

I'm expecting an easy (or immediate, with no action required) method
to have my column settings apply to all folders.

Instead, I have to set my column preferences manually for each
folder.

I've resigned to just using the basic columns that are set with
MailMate out-of-the-box, since it's too much effort to change them
for each folder individually.

Maybe I'm overlooking how it should work.

Thanks,
Quinn

On 31 Dec 2021, at 19:36, Quinn Comendant wrote:

Hi all,

I've been using MailMate a couple weeks now, so far I'm completely
in love with it.

I've encountered one bothersome behavior: when I change the view of
the message list (by selecting a different folder, doing a search,
or e.g., selecting “Find Messages From u...@example.com”, the
columns and sorting of the message list changes, forcing me to
re-configure the columns and sort.

I want a the columns Read, Flag, Tags, From, Subject, Date Received,
and Size, and I want the list sorted by Date with the newest
messages at top; but whenever I change views, the oldest message is
at the top.

I found the option when I right-click on a column header to “Use
as Default Columns” but it doesn't seem to do anything; those
defaults do not seem to propagate to the other list views.

How can I set my preferred list view settings for all list views
everywhere, forever? 梁

Thanks,

Quinn

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[MlMt] Build 5871: Setting date sorting parameters(^) and columns in, folders/sub-folders in the Left Bar

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello All,

I made two interesting discoveries that seems undocumented in the Help 
Menus in this Build. It seems interesting that it isn’t mentioned, but 
it seems to hold true in all tabs affecting settings of sub-tabs within 
tabs of settings like columns adding or deleting them and setting the 
ordering parameter (E.G., sorting early to later or vice-versa). Also 
found a specific exception which you may also find interesting.


Case 1: You have or have created a folder like “Archive” (in my case 
I renamed it to All Archive 2022 for reasons unimportant but obvious). 
In that folder there are default columns or added columns. Within that 
group there are several Account folders with messages:
1. You add a new column to this top level folder. The change is  
reflected to all of the sub folders automagically. I can find no rules 
or setting methods to affect this change in the default settings, it 
just happens. The only exception I can find, is that the position of the 
column at the end of the list of columns by default may be respecified 
in the sub-columns or changed in any sub-folder to whatever you want 
independently from the main column or other sub-folders after the main 
folder changes. Kind of like a hierarchical ordering setting.
2. Likewise a setting to the top level folder in terms of date ordering 
- oldest to newest or vice-versa will affect all the sub-folders, except 
where the subfolder was previously set differently.


Case 2: Changes made to top level folders in other terms, in the 
View>Layout Menu MAY similarly affect sub-folders, but not the reverse. 
If Benny used the same logic, it may explain so of the random looking 
effects reported here.


I tried out Case 1. above for my own folders and found it works between 
all my top level and (each of) their sub-folders as described. Maybe 
whomever is documenting the help menu can confirm and document these 
changes along with the respective folder actions. Perhaps it would 
explain anomalies reported here on sorting and columns. I leave Case 2 
to others to confirm.


Respectfully,

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Re: [MlMt] Keeping emails read/unread

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden


5871 is the test build.

I use the same keystroke to mark messages read as Mail ⌘ + Shift + U. 
Seems to work, but don’t know why.


Respectfully,

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On 16 Feb 2022, at 9:18, Francesco Consoli wrote:


Hi,
My MailMate build is the latest 5870.
Even from 5864 I noticed that emails don’t become read/unread after 
processed them on a different email client that I usually use.
Do I have to setup again the IMAP account from scratch (I would avoid 
..)?

It is an Exchange account, but worked well up to date.

Thanks
Francesco

-Francesco Consoli


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Re: [MlMt] Build 5871: Setting date sorting parameters(^) and columns in, folders/sub-folders in the Left Bar

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Quinn,

I agree, but it’s above my pay grade to decide that part. Frankly, I 
haven’t figured out correspondence and its worthiness yet. This is the 
first step toward understanding the hierarchy. Seems a big one and I 
have no idea what it was before in previous iterations. This part does 
makes sense only if its consistent. And its barely so at this stage, 
IMO.


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On 22 Feb 2022, at 20:41, Quinn Comendant wrote:


Hi Henry,

I can confirm setting the column and sort for a top-level folder is 
inherited by all subfolders. I'm not sure it if helped that ran 
`defaults delete -app MailMate MmMailboxRelatedStates` first.


The only place this doesn't work is when viewing Layout → 
Correspondence, where Date Received is always sorted oldest first, no 
matter how that column is sorted anywhere else. This feels like a bug, 
if the above is meant to be the new standard behavior.


Quinn

On 22 Feb 2022, at 19:28, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hello All,

I made two interesting discoveries that seems undocumented in the 
Help Menus in this Build. It seems interesting that it isn’t 
mentioned, but it seems to hold true in all tabs affecting settings 
of sub-tabs within tabs of settings like columns adding or deleting 
them and setting the ordering parameter (E.G., sorting early to later 
or vice-versa). Also found a specific exception which you may also 
find interesting.


Case 1: You have or have created a folder like “Archive” (in my 
case I renamed it to All Archive 2022 for reasons unimportant but 
obvious). In that folder there are default columns or added columns. 
Within that group there are several Account folders with messages:
1. You add a new column to this top level folder. The change is  
reflected to all of the sub folders automagically. I can find no 
rules or setting methods to affect this change in the default 
settings, it just happens. The only exception I can find, is that the 
position of the column at the end of the list of columns by default 
may be respecified in the sub-columns or changed in any sub-folder to 
whatever you want independently from the main column or other 
sub-folders after the main folder changes. Kind of like a 
hierarchical ordering setting.
2. Likewise a setting to the top level folder in terms of date 
ordering - oldest to newest or vice-versa will affect all the 
sub-folders, except where the subfolder was previously set 
differently.


Case 2: Changes made to top level folders in other terms, in the 
View>Layout Menu MAY similarly affect sub-folders, but not the 
reverse. If Benny used the same logic, it may explain so of the 
random looking effects reported here.


I tried out Case 1. above for my own folders and found it works 
between all my top level and (each of) their sub-folders as 
described. Maybe whomever is documenting the help menu can confirm 
and document these changes along with the respective folder actions. 
Perhaps it would explain anomalies reported here on sorting and 
columns. I leave Case 2 to others to confirm.


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[MlMt] Keystroke combination that seem to work for me in MM Build 5670+

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden



I found these keystroke combos that seem to work on my machine without 
any alteration in MM. Maybe we should start a list of them to see if 
they are “universal” for all or use the list to build up something 
for Benny to put in his help docs?


Anyway, I think these are supported system level (Finder) keystrokes. 
Some may need to be enabled in the System Preferences and when enabled 
there, seem to work OK in MM:

* ⌘ +SHIFT+”U” = mark as read
* ⌘ + right click mouse= select or deselect (highlight) a 
non-contiguous message(s).
* Shift+right click = select a contiguous group of messages starting 
from the top, click the first one, then go the bottom of a contiguous 
group and then do this to select them all.
* All text based substitutions you may have in MacOS. Like the ⌘ CMD 
key, ⌥ OPT keys.
* Fractions, superscripts, Universal charactersets if enabled in your 
system settings.


Got any more?

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Re: [MlMt] Keeping emails read/unread

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello Francesco,

I can see in my IMAP setting there is a button called “Edit 
Subscriptions” below the IMAP section in the Edit screen. Have you 
looked into that to show or hide sub-folders within your default IMAP 
folders or others you may have added?


So, no you don’t have to recreate the account to fix those issues. But 
yes, they perhaps need to be adjusted when you add an account to 
MailMate, possibly when you’ve added folders in some outside Client 
other than MailMate to that same account.


I would start there to review the settings. Benny limits the size of 
responses to our posts or I would send you a screenshot of the Edit IMAP 
Account screen. But you probably can find your way, I suppose. If you 
need details, let me know and I will throw a screen shot up on Dropbox 
for you.


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden

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On 16 Feb 2022, at 9:18, Francesco Consoli wrote:


Hi,
My MailMate build is the latest 5870.
Even from 5864 I noticed that emails don’t become read/unread after 
processed them on a different email client that I usually use.
Do I have to setup again the IMAP account from scratch (I would avoid 
..)?

It is an Exchange account, but worked well up to date.

Thanks
Francesco

-Francesco Consoli


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Re: [MlMt] Keystroke combination that seem to work for me in MM Build 5670+

2022-02-24 Thread Henry Seiden


Right, normal click on both.

Also, the first one (⌘ +SHIFT+U - mark as read) keystroke marks a 
varied group of read and unread messages as read first, then a second 
click will flip it to unread.


Yes, both are standard settings MacOS Finder for file handling.  
That’s how I discovered them.


Benny mentioned in another post that he doesn’t want to include 
instructions on anything but MM app operation, not System defaults text 
substitutions or configurations. Probably a very good idea as they are 
subject to modification from outside the app, about which he has no 
control.


I think it’s worthwhile for users to know that it’s supported in MM, 
as not all apps do (even though you’d think it was true everywhere, it 
isn’t). MM has added many features that take getting used to, but so 
far, none that affect the system setting’s functionality within the 
app environment.


Respectfully,

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On 23 Feb 2022, at 12:44, Steve Burling wrote:


On 22 Feb 2022, at 21:20, Henry Seiden wrote:


* ⌘ +SHIFT+”U” = mark as read


Shown as the key-equivalent for Message -> Mark Unread

* ⌘ + right click mouse= select or deselect (highlight) a 
non-contiguous message(s).


I don't see this with right-click (I see a context menu). Did you mean 
left-click? If so, this sounds like Standard MacOS selection behavior


* Shift+right click = select a contiguous group of messages starting 
from the top, click the first one, then go the bottom of a contiguous 
group and then do this to select them all.


Again, I don't see this with right-click (I see a context menu). Did 
you mean left-click? If so, this also sounds like standard MacOS 
selection behavior


* All text based substitutions you may have in MacOS. Like the ⌘ 
CMD key, ⌥ OPT keys.
* Fractions, superscripts, Universal charactersets if enabled in your 
system settings.


Given that these are bog-standard MacOS, I'm not sure why Benny should 
document them in MailMate's documentation. But I'm perfectly willing 
to believe that I've misunderstood something.


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[MlMt] Feature Request: Keystroke to turn on/off all HTML, including html-style signatures in new mail and replies

2022-02-16 Thread Henry Seiden

Hello,

Is there a way in MailMate to automatically set a message going to a specific 
address as text only? Failing that, what is the impression here about a 
keystroke command to force it off for one email? Here I have turned off the 
HTML Signature variant and set that signature for use with this addressee. 
Don’t know if this will stick.

Since MailMate is plain text by default, will this do the trick to send plain 
text? Replies ought to be plain text with replies that do not include markdown 
nor signatures… True?


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Re: [MlMt] Auto-typo

2022-02-19 Thread Henry Seiden

Trying in MM… UID did  (the CAP typed term is NOT auto-corrected, the lower 
case is auto-corrected as shown. Maybe that is why some run across the anomaly 
and some do not?

The other option stated by commenters is to turn off correction completely in 
MM, from it’s default setting. I’m considering which to do. There are other 
spelling corrections I have noted but do not have handy to share with you.

If MM relies entirely on Apple’s correction as it appears and other apps have 
their own table or do not rely on Apple at all, could this be  why? I do not 
know how to check on spelling auto-correction in other apps. So I guess my 
question is do other app relay on their own lookup table for spelling 
correction or some combination of processes or what?

Respectfully,

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On 18 Feb 2022, at 21:49, Julian Thomas wrote:

>> On Feb 18, 2022, at 16:52, Randall Gellens  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Running MailMate 5869 on MacOS 12, the composer auto-typos, e.g., changing 
>> “uid” to “did”. Is this a MailMate thing or a MacOS thing?
>
> I very much suspect it’s MacOS. You can try this:
>
> System Preferences - Keyboard - Text - add an entry to replace uid with uid.
>
> hth
>
> —
> jt - j...@jt-mj.net
>
> The perfection of a clock is not to go fast, but to be accurate. -Luc de 
> Clapiers, marquis de Vauvenargue
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Julian Thomas
> jtjtj...@gmail.com
>
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[MlMt] Moving settings to a new computer from an existing installation

2022-02-19 Thread Henry Seiden

Had no success moving IMAP accounts/settings from an existing installation to a 
new computer. So, importing accounts from scratch (actually exporting them is 
impossible because that functionality doesn’t seem to exist on the new 
computer. Tried copying my account setting (Users>username>Library…) which 
didn’t move any accounts.

Tops on my list of new/workable features is to move all settings (account 
settings, MM options, installed features) en masse by copy or export/import in 
Finder or MM, from a working installation of MM to a new computer, in the case 
of a clean install onto the same computer, or a different one from a file 
backup.

MailMate clean install’s just fine by itself but all features, IMAP accounts 
and settings now need to be individually installed.

The feature called Import Accounts contains nothing in the new installation and 
can’t use accounts created on the System (System Preferences>Accounts) or in 
another app (like Mail.app), unless they are appear installed in MailMate. That 
seems weird. Tried it on a new Beta (12.3) OS installation that had Mail.app 
accounts already logged in on that app, but the accounts installed there were 
not visible in MM, but some are visible as choices in the old, previous 
version(?).

Respectfully,

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Re: [MlMt] Moving settings to a new computer from an existing installation

2022-02-19 Thread Henry Seiden


Thanks, John,

I thought that it would migrate my accounts as well, but alas, no. Nor 
will it use any accounts installed in OS as “Internet accounts.” I 
guess you found that or automatically did that process.


Respectfully,

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On 19 Feb 2022, at 14:22, John Purnell wrote:

I just completed this successfully yesterday. I followed the 
instructions at the bottom of the respective manual page: 
https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild before I opened MailMate 
(which I had previously updated to the latest beta build for 
Monterey). I then opened MailMate, manually synced all mailboxes, and 
waited for all the messages to download. After that I added my licence 
and checked the preferences as I moved from Mojave to Monterey (can't 
remember if I had to adjust any). This is the second time I've done 
this since using MailMate and the previous time was also effortless--a 
testament to Benny.



On 2022-02-20, at 06:06 +1300, Henry Seiden  
wrote:


Had no success moving IMAP accounts/settings from an existing 
installation to a new computer. So, importing accounts from scratch 
(actually exporting them is impossible because that functionality 
doesn’t seem to exist on the new computer. Tried copying my account 
setting (Users>username>Library…) which didn’t move any accounts.


Tops on my list of new/workable features is to move all settings 
(account settings, MM options, installed features) en masse by copy 
or export/import in Finder or MM, from a working installation of MM 
to a new computer, in the case of a clean install onto the same 
computer, or a different one from a file backup.


MailMate clean install’s just fine by itself but all features, IMAP 
accounts and settings now need to be individually installed.


The feature called Import Accounts contains nothing in the new 
installation and can’t use accounts created on the System (System 
Preferences>Accounts) or in another app (like Mail.app), unless they 
are appear installed in MailMate. That seems weird. Tried it on a new 
Beta (12.3) OS installation that had Mail.app accounts already logged 
in on that app, but the accounts installed there were not visible in 
MM, but some are visible as choices in the old, previous version(?).


Respectfully,

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Re: [MlMt] Auto-typo [language customizations, two-step approaches, more]

2022-02-19 Thread Henry Seiden

I found several support docs about auto-correction in either or both specific 
application and related to System Settings, so it is possible to use some 
auto-correction and language customizations in other apps… So are these desired 
features?
Apple: HT207767, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207767
How-to-Geek: 
https://www.howtogeek.com/363905/how-to-disable-or-customize-autocorrect-on-mac/
Microsoft (relevant to their own apps, particularly Outlook and Word for 
spellcheck and auto-correct options:
* 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/let-outlook-for-mac-automatically-detect-and-spell-check-languages-in-your-emails-1a94b031-78c3-4aa8-abe2-c2d89a01a2d4
* 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/word-20162019-for-mac-spell-check-works-but/4ab1d2dc-bd7e-40ab-aad7-435e2531c1f4

Not in my opinion for MM, but that is me I suppose a feature request to Benny 
would be considered, but I think off or on with Apple’s System settings is good 
enough. Similarly for language customizations. For example, I use a set of text 
substitutions in MacOS to handle fractions, superscripted numerals that has 
served me well. Luckily these carry through to all apps and to iOS devices 
(mostly).

Respectfully,

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On 18 Feb 2022, at 21:49, Julian Thomas wrote:

>> On Feb 18, 2022, at 16:52, Randall Gellens  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Running MailMate 5869 on MacOS 12, the composer auto-typos, e.g., changing 
>> “uid” to “did”. Is this a MailMate thing or a MacOS thing?
>
> I very much suspect it’s MacOS. You can try this:
>
> System Preferences - Keyboard - Text - add an entry to replace uid with uid.
>
> hth
>
> —
> jt - j...@jt-mj.net
>
> The perfection of a clock is not to go fast, but to be accurate. -Luc de 
> Clapiers, marquis de Vauvenargue
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Julian Thomas
> jtjtj...@gmail.com
>
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> in just the degree that they practise or neglect to practise the primary 
> duties of justice and humanity. - William Henry Seward‌
> ‌
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[MlMt] New Test Build 5873 installed...

2022-02-25 Thread Henry Seiden

Updated to Test Build 5873.


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Re: [MlMt] Printing of a message

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Benny, Thomas:

Likewise with me. Thanks for addressing this. Just tried opening the 
Print dialog twice with a couple of messages. OK here under the same 
conditions.


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On 22 Feb 2022, at 10:52, Thomas Eckhold wrote:


First observation after initial tests: printing works normal again.

Thank you!

Thomas


On 22 Feb 2022, at 16:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Feb 2022, at 13:07, Henry Seiden wrote:

For me (similarly) on Mac OS 12.2.1 and version 1.14 Build 5871, the 
print dialog doesn’t open at all first with the message and a 
reply selected, like Benny’s reply. With only Benny’s reply 
selected it will open twice frequently, but inconsistency.


Let me know if you also see this behavior with r5872.

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Re: [MlMt] Scrolling of message contents gets "stuck"

2022-03-01 Thread Henry Seiden


Benny,

With r5875 I have a new problem with this build… “Ridiculously long 
signature error,” detected by SMTP Server (AWS). I’m reverting to 
old version to compare on the same account and email previously sent, 
but to my gmail account to sample the error.


Since I am limited by space for attachments, I can send you a raw header 
example (attachment, not enclosed), showing the problem that’s being 
grabbed by AWS SES servers. However I would have to do so to a different 
address if you provide me with one. Speculating, I assume it’s 
actually sticking all or part of the message body content into the 
signature Markup to cause it to swell to that extent.


Since they did not say that the message was returned or trapped, I 
assume it’s being delivered with the warning in place. Reverted back 
to the previous build and tried it again to a Gmail account and there 
was no trapping error returned to me. I therefore conclude it’s 
something within your latest update causing it. So, until you un-revise 
the Test Build, will not use 5875. The scrolling issue on reading 
messages was NOT a problem for me anyway.



Respectfully,

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On 1 Mar 2022, at 8:26, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Feb 2022, at 19:06, Eric Sharakan wrote:


On 28 Feb 2022, at 12:59, Steve Burling wrote:

When this happens, it's likely sufficient to resize the window a 
bit to trigger another update.


I just encountered this symptom again, and resizing the window did 
NOT help.


I should have been more precise: It likely requires resizing in a way 
that changes the height of the message, e.g., if a line needs to be 
wrapped. But maybe I'm wrong.


In any case, I did locate and fix a bug which could explain this 
issue. Please try r5875.


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Re: [MlMt] Scrolling of message contents gets "stuck"

2022-03-01 Thread Henry Seiden


Benny,

With r5875 I have a new problem… “Ridiculously long signature 
error,” detected by SMTP Server (AWS). I’m reverting to old version 
to compare on the same account and email previously sent, but to my 
gmail account to sample the error.


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden

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On 1 Mar 2022, at 8:26, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Feb 2022, at 19:06, Eric Sharakan wrote:


On 28 Feb 2022, at 12:59, Steve Burling wrote:

When this happens, it's likely sufficient to resize the window a 
bit to trigger another update.


I just encountered this symptom again, and resizing the window did 
NOT help.


I should have been more precise: It likely requires resizing in a way 
that changes the height of the message, e.g., if a line needs to be 
wrapped. But maybe I'm wrong.


In any case, I did locate and fix a bug which could explain this 
issue. Please try r5875.


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Re: [MlMt] override built-in keybindings

2022-03-04 Thread Henry Seiden


Zvi,

Only clue I have for you is the listings in MailMate Help (MM 
menu>Help>MailMate Help).


Once open, search for “Key Binding Selectors” for the Navigation 
listing of the terminal commands and what they do to determine what you 
want . See the further instructions in “Custom Key Bindings” on 
adding/changing/modifying specific subsets. Turns out that the Help 
Document is searchable for those terms and the latter one above gives 
specific instructions you may find useful.


Henry


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On 4 Mar 2022, at 8:52, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,
Does anyone know how to override/change/delete keybinding associated 
with built-in functions, like those in the Edit->Find dropdown menu?

Thanks.
Zvi
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Re: [MlMt] Separate sets of smart folders for each account

2022-02-14 Thread Henry Seiden

So, what advantages do smart mailboxes inside of the source folder offer 
you, again?



Respectfully,

Henry Seiden

On 14 Feb 2022, at 14:28, Sam Birch wrote:


On 10 Feb 2022, at 23:12, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2022-02-10 at 17:20:19 UTC-0500 (Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:20:19 -0500)
Sam Birch 
is rumored to have said:

I also thought of putting smart mailboxes _inside_ each of my 
“sources” rather than in the “mailboxes” section, but the 
first time I tried that I got a crash, so for now I’m not.


Yeah, that would never work.


So, that’s what I thought too, but it actually does work, as long as 
I never click the “Include messages in any submailboxes of this 
mailbox” checkbox in the Mailboxes tab of the mailbox settings 
dialog of a smart folder that lives in a source.


As far as I can tell, these smart mailboxes aren’t synched to the 
IMAP server at all, which is fine with me.


Cheers,
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Re: [MlMt] Scrolling of message contents gets "stuck"

2022-02-26 Thread Henry Seiden

Sound like a bug report to me. Were you on a full screen set up or 
small(er) window. I haven’t see that, guessing because the messages 
I’m seeing are shorter? Will try to duplicate, but I think you should 
file a bug report.


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On 26 Feb 2022, at 13:29, Steve Burling wrote:

MacOS 12.2.1 on a M1 Macbook Pro, MailMake release 5874 (and some 
earlier releases, too, so this isn't something new to 5874).


I've noticed in the last few (test) releases that sometimes I'm 
scrolling down through a message (using the trackpad on my MBPro, for 
whatever that's worth) and will come to a point in a message where I'm 
pretty sure that there's more message to be shown, but can't seem to 
scroll to it. Dragging up on the trackpad with two fingers just 
behaves as if it's at the end of the window. If I switch to a 
different message, and then come back to the one that previously got 
stuck at the end, I can usually continue to scroll past the point 
where I got stuck before. Odd.


This is in the "Thread Arcs" view.

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Re: [MlMt] Keystroke combination that seem to work for me in MM Build 5670+

2022-02-23 Thread Henry Seiden


Steve,

What it does< Steve, is toggle them all off typically, if that isn’t 
the desired condition hitting it again switches it. Try it.


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On 23 Feb 2022, at 16:24, Steve Burling wrote:


On 23 Feb 2022, at 12:44, Steve Burling wrote:


  - ⌘ +SHIFT+”U” = mark as read

Shown as the key-equivalent for Message -> Mark Unread


I'm sorry; I should have been more careful here -- the keystroke is a 
toggle, and what it does is dependent on the state of the selected 
message. Whatever the read/unread state is cmd-shift-u will change it 
to the opposite state.


I don't remember what the keystroke does if you have multiple messages 
selected with a mix of states.


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Re: [MlMt] How to set columns and sort for all list views?

2022-02-22 Thread Henry Seiden

Quinn,

Don’t know if you’re interested, but I’m using the developer
build, on advice from Benny. I’m aware that sorting and views are
fluid aspects of MailMate, you should know that Develop Builds are
available by holding down option key when checking the menu: Mailmate.
The “Check for Update” changes to “Test Build”. Benny is much
more responsive to making changes on that Build. OTOH, it may be less to
your liking with the new features he’s testing out there.

Just thought you might want to know.

Respectfully,

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On 22 Feb 2022, at 15:55, Quinn Comendant wrote:

defaults delete com.freron.MailMate MmMailboxRelatedStates

Quinn

On 2 Jan 2022, at 22:34, Quinn Comendant wrote:

On 2 Jan 2022, at 19:07, Bob Stern via mailmate wrote:

What version of MMt are you using?

I'm using version 1.14 (5853) on macOS 12.1, 2021 M1 Pro MBP.

I can reproduce this issue as follows:

1. Open my Inbox by clicking the Inbox folder icon in the left
sidebar.
2. Apply some arbitrary column settings, e.g., right-click a column
header and show UID and move it to be the leftmost column.

I'm expecting an easy (or immediate, with no action required) method
to have my column settings apply to all folders.

Instead, I have to set my column preferences manually for each
folder.

I've resigned to just using the basic columns that are set with
MailMate out-of-the-box, since it's too much effort to change them
for each folder individually.

Maybe I'm overlooking how it should work.

Thanks,
Quinn

On 31 Dec 2021, at 19:36, Quinn Comendant wrote:

Hi all,

I've been using MailMate a couple weeks now, so far I'm completely
in love with it.

I found the option when I right-click on a column header to “Use
as Default Columns” but it doesn't seem to do anything; those
defaults do not seem to propagate to the other list views.

How can I set my preferred list view settings for all list views
everywhere, forever? 梁

Thanks,

Quinn

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[MlMt] HTML formatting Kudos [kudos & hints at formatting HTML versions of email]

2022-03-29 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello Benny,

Just a note to tell you how much I enjoyed the HTM feature that I 
discovered in the new version 5882. Don’t know if this feature was 
there before this version, but since I had need to format the page 
simply and the signature specifically and you helped me out on the 
signature formatting in the recent past, I return the favor to document 
this feature I discovered by accident. It proved very useful for me in 
combination with some research.


Don’t know if you recall my previous questions and your answers about 
formatting an HTML variant signature section such as the one below in 
this message. You helped me to understand that the inline formatting was 
the correct way to utilize the page construction features of MailMate. I 
use it all the time now, even if it is only for message formatting.


I recently was interested in using a default format style to match the 
signature text, and found a very simple way to do so for the entire 
message page, using the CSS style, Body. My page as you may note is set 
up to use specific styles, backgrounds and insert a small logo as well, 
just in the signature line using your signature settings. So, to format 
the entire message body, I simply found that the ‘body’ command 
works for the entire message and added that style to the body rather 
easily.


Your manual is unfortunately unclear that the body command formats an 
entire HTML (variant) version message page but it seemed a worthwhile 
try to to experiment with it. Lo! It worked great. So, thanks for your 
insight into the working a of MailMate and using CSS styling to format 
an entire page and signature line all in one CSS layout.


Not to mention, for people who only want to see text format versions of 
email, the text version remains untouched and can be read out in any 
font the user desires.


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[MlMt] Test Build 1.14 (5869)

2022-02-06 Thread Henry Seiden

Using test Build 5869 update, installed on MacBook Pro 2019 in MacOS 
(Monterey) 12.1  (21C52).


Don’t see progress on any issues previously reported addressed in this 
build (in particular, summarizing my previous posts which BTW don’t 
seem to be published on this list):

*No bulleted or numbered lists available.
*Organization of Archived mailboxes not as expected (cannot show 
archived specific mailboxes defined by rules). Thew only way that works 
is to use SmartMailbox but that can only be categorized in one  
level/method, E.G., by date. I would want the groupings in 
archived-specific files and by date in some way. This is similar 
functionality to Apple Mail.app and has been in place for years.
*Font specific email in the HTML version of Mail matching that of the 
non-html version. Some have expressed the same thing in a different way 
as using partial HTML for the signature block only, instead of the full 
HTML of text+signature, similar to other apps like Apple Mail, Airmail, 
others. In another way could I use a preset HTML code to do it?
*Better Manual for the release versions (when released that goes into 
more detail on use of signatures, composing, and other parts of 
MailMate. I discovered many nice features almost by accident rather than 
by intent. My suggestion to the author (Benny) is to have someone 
outside build a better manual for the release version of Mailmate. 
Failing that, maybe a build list which gives some idea as to what was 
fixed historically by build number. These “standard practices” seem 
to be overlooked in doing updates and not followed up later. I realize 
the author’s constraints and trying to be positive about the 
development of this fine application.


Respectfully,

Henry
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[MlMt] Are any of my posts getting through?

2022-02-06 Thread Henry Seiden

I’ve sent in several posts that don’t seem to get published. Why?


Respectfully,

Henry
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[MlMt] Help [Lists]

2022-02-06 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello,

I seem to have lost the capability to add bulleted or numbered lists to 
the body of  an emai and cannot find the guidance in MailMate Help / 
User Manual either? Please help.


Respectfully,

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Re: [MlMt] migrating from apple mail to mail mate - prospective user

2022-02-07 Thread Henry Seiden

Seems like an IMAP Server locally run could defray the entire expense of 
personal email servers. For business where it’s likely necessary on a 
company/private server that wouldn’t be an option.


For me, iCloud accounts are included with other services so there’s no 
financial incentive. My message counts/sizes are entirely within the 
scope other storage plan. However I do manage the storage of archival 
data by year and keep two years only current and previous years data on 
line per account.


Respectfully,

Henry

On 7 Feb 2022, at 9:46, Pete Resnick via mailmate wrote:


On 7 Feb 2022, at 0:50, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


mailmate--- via mailmate 2022-02-07 1:33 wrote:

The secure way would be to run a real IMAP server on your machine, 
to which MailMate can connect locally. I haven’t tried myself, but 
running [Dovecot](https://www.dovecot.org/) in a container should 
work.


I have done this for many years. If you are comfortable with running 
your own services it works really well.


Here is an old, but updated, post on how to set it up on macOS. I'm 
running this setup on macOS Monterey 12.2 at the moment.





A simpler approach might be to buy a copy of MailServe. 



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Re: [MlMt] Are any of my posts getting through?

2022-02-07 Thread Henry Seiden

Thanks, Florian. I’m on it now, for sure thanks for confirmations, 
reminds me of radio days on ham bands… Good tip.


Respectfully,

Henry

On 7 Feb 2022, at 5:06, Florian Heidenreich wrote:


On 6 Feb 2022, at 15:29, Henry Seiden wrote:


I’ve sent in several posts that don’t seem to get published. Why?


There is also a [searchable 
archive](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate%40lists.freron.com/) of 
this list where you can check just to be sure.


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[MlMt] Reinstalling MailMate after a Mac OS Erase and Install

2022-02-08 Thread Henry Seiden

Here’s a MailMate question I’ve been thinking about: I occasionally 
completely reinstall the entire drive from scratch, when new operating 
systems are installed and just for that eventuality has anyone had a 
similar occasion to reinstall MailMate from scratch?


First there are the “built-in apps that come over with the OS. Their 
set up are almost exclusively in /Library/Application Support files. 
Cache files are not included but usually rebuild just fine.


Second, I have a nice list of Apple apps that for instance, come over 
from the App Store with all but Application Support files. So those are 
relatively easy to reinstall.


Then there are non-App Store apps that have varying levels of additional 
application settings stored hither and yon. Many of those are 
rebuildable after installing the app alone from a blank slate. What 
about MailMate? Figuring that it belongs in the this third tier.


For instance would installing the entire MailMate Support file structure 
intact from a back up do a complete job of it - all user settings, 
mailbox settings, the lock mailboxes, smart mailbox settings and 
contents. I’ve discovered that the Messages for example are in, 
~/Users/com.freron.MailMate. Will the app/system rebuild the rest 
-caches, other files, with just that?


Respectfully,

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Re: [MlMt] Reinstalling MailMate after a Mac OS Erase and Install

2022-02-09 Thread Henry Seiden

Thanks Florian. I’ll have to give tis a whirl at my next convenience 
at restoring via an erase and install. Of the OS. Will try to add to my 
notes on that topics (for 3ᴿᴰ party apps, including M-M).



Respectfully,

Henry Seiden

On 9 Feb 2022, at 9:29, Florian Heidenreich wrote:


On 9 Feb 2022, at 15:16, Alexandre Takacs wrote:

If you want to restore from a backup then there are quite a few files 
you will need to put back at their original location - tbh I don’t 
have a list and would be interested in having one :)


See [How to transfer MailMate Settings to another 
computer](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild).


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Re: [MlMt] migrating from apple mail to mail mate - prospective user

2022-02-06 Thread Henry Seiden

Julian,

Don’t know how much that is, but what I do is save up my archived mail (and 
mail sent and received per account) in a separate folder (not Archive default) 
for each of my 8 accounts. Then when the particular server’s storage is full or 
80% more or less, save onto my local drive space(s). With all attachments 
(which is what takes the most space, of course).

Respectfully,

Henry

On 6 Feb 2022, at 19:15, Julian Thomas wrote:

> How can I archive mail from IMAP mailboxes to somewhere else free so I don’t 
> exceed my free storage allocation in the mail server?
>
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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 130, Issue 15

2022-01-18 Thread Henry Seiden

Nice! 

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>   1. How to disable flagged count in menubar? (Quinn Comendant)
>   2. Re: How to disable flagged count in menubar? (Quinn Comendant)
> 
> From: Quinn Comendant 
> Subject: [MlMt] How to disable flagged count in menubar?
> Date: January 17, 2022 at 13:01:49 EST
> To: MailMate Users 
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> 
> I have a green circle in my menu bar with a count of the number of flagged 
> messages in my Inbox. It looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/SEz4iPH.png
> 
> In my Preferences → Counters → Display I have "In menu bar" unchecked: 
> https://i.imgur.com/qAdvqou.png
> 
> I noticed if I right-click on a mailbox in the sidebar, I can select 
> "Displayed Count → No Count" but that only affects the display of count in 
> the sidebar.
> 
> How to I disable or configure counts in the menu bar?
> 
> Quinn
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> 
> 
> 
> From: Quinn Comendant 
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] How to disable flagged count in menubar?
> Date: January 17, 2022 at 13:13:28 EST
> To: MailMate Users 
> 
> 
> I figured it out: each position of the "Dock Icon Counter Positions" (in 
> Preferences → Counters → Display) can have it's own separate configuration, 
> including display of "In menu bar": https://i.imgur.com/5ie3wjL.png 
> <https://i.imgur.com/5ie3wjL.png>
> This is really cool! And not obvious at first.
> 
> Each position uses a nonconfigurable color – clockwise from top-left: blue, 
> red, green, yellow.
> 
> Q
> 
> On 17 Jan 2022, at 12:01, Quinn Comendant wrote:
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> I have a green circle in my menu bar with a count of the number of flagged 
> messages in my Inbox. It looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/SEz4iPH.png 
> <https://i.imgur.com/SEz4iPH.png>
> In my Preferences → Counters → Display I have "In menu bar" unchecked: 
> https://i.imgur.com/qAdvqou.png <https://i.imgur.com/qAdvqou.png>
> I noticed if I right-click on a mailbox in the sidebar, I can select 
> "Displayed Count → No Count" but that only affects the display of count in 
> the sidebar.
> 
> How to I disable or configure counts in the menu bar?
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Re: [MlMt] column issue with r5885? [replication]

2022-04-12 Thread Henry Seiden


Eric,

Can’t reproduce your first, second or third instances mentioned on my 
machine/installation of MM.


Using my Google account, as you describe in MacOS 12.3.1 on a 
MBP(MacBook Pro) 2019 in MM r5882. I haven’t upgraded to build r5885 
as yet. Perhaps check in the downgraded version I use. Haven’t 
upgraded to that one as its stated improvement(s) are not troubling me 
was of now. Will get back if that changes.


Tried on several other accounts and combos of Drafts, Junk, Sent, 
Mailing List mailboxes without success.


The only thing “sticky” I found is the SpamSieve Score column in 
Junk Folder keeps turning on all the time. Is this a default thing? I 
keep turning it off and it goes on again on its own.


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 12 Apr 2022, at 9:50, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I know there have been nagging problems with column settings not 
always being preserved, but I have what I think is a new, completely 
reproducible symptom.  If I start in one of my inboxes, then switch to 
one of my sent messages folders and then back to that inbox, the 
displayed columns in that inbox are now different than what I started 
with.


Specifically, when viewing my gmail inbox, I see the expected columns, 
including "From", etc.  I then switch to my gmail sent folder, where I 
have a "To" column instead of the "From".  So far, so good.  But if I 
then switch back to my gmail inbox, I'm left with the "To" column, 
rather than it switching back to viewing the "From" column.  Other 
columns (e.g. Attachments) also disappear.  I have to manually select 
"Revert to Default Columns" to correct it.


I can't tell if this is new behavior in one of the recent test builds, 
but I certainly find myself needing to "Revert to Default Columns" way 
more often in recent weeks.


Any thoughts?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] 'emate' stopped working in macOS version 12.3

2022-04-11 Thread Henry Seiden

Are you saying that the [Apple emate device from years 
ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLJ2dWaYP0) still runs on MacOS 
12.3?? And that it runs MailMate?? WOW.


Respectfully,

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On 18 Mar 2022, at 9:32, TJ Luoma wrote:


`emate` stopped working on macOS version 12.3 (21E230)

I changed the first line to this:

#!/usr/bin/env python3

and now it works again, but that will fail when MailMate is updated 
unless

MailMate makes the change too.

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Re: [MlMt] column issue with r5885? [replication]

2022-04-12 Thread Henry Seiden


Eric, All:

Can’t reproduce your first, second or third instances mentioned, on my 
machine/installation of MM.


Comparing using my Google account, as you describe in MacOS 12.3.1 on a 
MBP(MacBook Pro) 2019 in MM r5882. I haven’t upgraded to build r5885 
as yet. Perhaps check in the downgraded version I use. Haven’t 
upgraded to that one as its stated improvement(s) are not troubling me 
was of now. Will get back if that changes.


Tried on several other accounts and combos of Drafts, Junk, Sent, 
Mailing List mailboxes without success.


The only thing I found “sticky” is the SpamSieve Score column in 
Junk Folder. It keeps turning itself on all the time… A default thing? 
I keep turning it off. It goes on again, apparently on its own. It may 
be that it’s due to an upgrade where the default changes it after an 
upgrade and I don’t notice it for awhile. Just noticed today and 
remember turning it off before. Just sayin’. Anybody had this one?


Will verify with 5885, ASAP.

My column order…
Sent Messages:
1. Read
2. Flag
3. To
4. Subject
5. Date Received.
6. Attachment

Inbox:
1. Read
2. Flag
3. From
4. Subject
5. Date Received
6. Attachment

Respectfully,

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On 12 Apr 2022, at 9:50, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I know there have been nagging problems with column settings not 
always being preserved, but I have what I think is a new, completely 
reproducible symptom.  If I start in one of my inboxes, then switch to 
one of my sent messages folders and then back to that inbox, the 
displayed columns in that inbox are now different than what I started 
with.


Specifically, when viewing my gmail inbox, I see the expected columns, 
including "From", etc.  I then switch to my gmail sent folder, where I 
have a "To" column instead of the "From".  So far, so good.  But if I 
then switch back to my gmail inbox, I'm left with the "To" column, 
rather than it switching back to viewing the "From" column.  Other 
columns (e.g. Attachments) also disappear.  I have to manually select 
"Revert to Default Columns" to correct it.


I can't tell if this is new behavior in one of the recent test builds, 
but I certainly find myself needing to "Revert to Default Columns" way 
more often in recent weeks.


Any thoughts?

Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Crashing on printing with r5876 and r5881

2022-04-06 Thread Henry Seiden


Robert,

Suspected something amiss like that. Benny features are a bit confusing 
but easy to use once learned. That’s why we’re here!


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On 6 Apr 2022, at 10:16, Robert Goldman wrote:

Thank you, Harry. I was confused because I thought you meant hold down 
the option key when choosing from the menu, rather than when 
activating the menu. Yes, that works fine.


Best,
R


On 6 Apr 2022, at 9:14, Henry Seiden wrote:


Robert,

For Test Builds hold down OPT Keyboard button when selecting the menu 
item, MailMate. R5882 is the latest Test Build I show. What version 
are you on? Perhaps it’s so old that these features weren’t 
incorporated yet??


Respectfully,

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On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:39, Robert Goldman wrote:

I'm confused: when I click on the MailMate menu there is no "Check 
for Update" or "Check for Test Build" option:


![](cid:DC3EE35E-2197-4F38-A209-51A015A721F2@sift.net 
"PastedImage.png")


Looks like I should be checking on the "Software Update" tab of 
MailMate preferences. But I'm surprised that my UI is different from 
yours.  The Option click on the "Check Now" button on that pane 
works to get me 5882, but the button text does *not* update when I 
hold the option down: it still shows "Check Now."



On 4 Apr 2022, at 4:47, Marc ARC wrote:


Alex,

MailMate menu > [Option]  (turns in to Test Build>)


Or you can download on the test releases on ( allows you also to 
revert to an earlier version in case of a major issue) :

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

The Test release notes can be found on:
https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes

Regards,



Marc


On 4 Apr 2022, at 10:00, Alex Steiner via mailmate wrote:

Where do I get the newest beta? The auto-updater within the app 
won’t update beyond 5876.


On 4 Apr 2022, at 9:26, Marc ARC wrote:


Raza,

Unless you have good reasons to stick with r5876, I would 
recommend you to move to the latest beta release r5882


On my system it works as fine.

Regards,

Marc

On 28 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Raza Rizvi wrote:


Hi,

As the subject says, printing via the top right print icon 
causes an immediate crash - though the print job is queued to 
the spooler and does print.


It is more of an irritation than a huge problem as (other than 
the one occasion prior to my deployment of r5876 where Mailmate 
would only half start) you just reopen Mailmate.


The bit from the crash log display that might be of use is:

Exception Type:EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes:   0x0002, 0x
Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal:Trace/BPT trap: 5
Termination Reason:Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0x5
Terminating Process:   exc handler [3457]

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Re: [MlMt] Crashing on printing with r5876 and r5881

2022-04-06 Thread Henry Seiden


Robert,

For Test Builds hold down OPT Keyboard button when selecting the menu 
item, MailMate. R5882 is the latest Test Build I show. What version are 
you on? Perhaps it’s so old that these features weren’t incorporated 
yet??


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On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:39, Robert Goldman wrote:

I'm confused: when I click on the MailMate menu there is no "Check for 
Update" or "Check for Test Build" option:


![](cid:DC3EE35E-2197-4F38-A209-51A015A721F2@sift.net 
"PastedImage.png")


Looks like I should be checking on the "Software Update" tab of 
MailMate preferences. But I'm surprised that my UI is different from 
yours.  The Option click on the "Check Now" button on that pane works 
to get me 5882, but the button text does *not* update when I hold the 
option down: it still shows "Check Now."



On 4 Apr 2022, at 4:47, Marc ARC wrote:


Alex,

MailMate menu > [Option]  (turns in to Test Build>)


Or you can download on the test releases on ( allows you also to 
revert to an earlier version in case of a major issue) :

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

The Test release notes can be found on:
https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes

Regards,



Marc


On 4 Apr 2022, at 10:00, Alex Steiner via mailmate wrote:

Where do I get the newest beta? The auto-updater within the app 
won’t update beyond 5876.


On 4 Apr 2022, at 9:26, Marc ARC wrote:


Raza,

Unless you have good reasons to stick with r5876, I would recommend 
you to move to the latest beta release r5882


On my system it works as fine.

Regards,

Marc

On 28 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Raza Rizvi wrote:


Hi,

As the subject says, printing via the top right print icon causes 
an immediate crash - though the print job is queued to the spooler 
and does print.


It is more of an irritation than a huge problem as (other than the 
one occasion prior to my deployment of r5876 where Mailmate would 
only half start) you just reopen Mailmate.


The bit from the crash log display that might be of use is:

Exception Type:EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes:   0x0002, 0x
Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal:Trace/BPT trap: 5
Termination Reason:Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0x5
Terminating Process:   exc handler [3457]

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Re: [MlMt] Newbie questions

2022-04-11 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Bob,

I’m in a similar situation to you, but using MailMate for a couple 
months, long enough to learn how Benny, the developer works and this 
site works, which I’m seeing that he reads regularly.


While the User Manual is extensive and in depth, it doesn’t begin to 
cover the nuts and bolts of daily use to any great degree. We’re kind 
of on our own and I’d like to help on some things, so I’ll take the 
quoted part of your item #1.


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On 11 Apr 2022, at 12:03, Bob Paver wrote:


Greetings.

A few questions from a newbie who’s been using MailMate for a couple 
of months. I am using it in conjunction with SaneBox which has its own 
challenges for me. I’m a 40 year tech veteran, but am not a sharp as 
I was back in the day. Still have some game, however. Not afraid to 
tackle plists and MacOS default settings and good at the command line; 
too good sometimes.


1. …Probably related: when creating smart mailboxes or editing 
existing mailboxes what is the purpose of the ‘condition’ window 
vs. the rules window?
…> In Editing  an existing mailbox, for example the one called, 
“Mailing Lists” which was created for us, the tabs along the top of 
the edit window, Mailboxes, Conditions, Submailboxes  and Rules. You can 
change the operation of that root mailbox and the messages it contains. 
In this case the root is selecting “ALL MESSAGES.”


Likewise you can edit the sub mailboxes contained in the root, 
similarly. To your question about the use of Conditions…  In this 
case, this root folder is dedicated to selecting all messages where they 
are marked by the sender as a list (the list-ID>identifier in the header 
is “existing”). So the server says the message is from a “list”.


You can also  ‘ripple down’ the settings in any message box/folder 
to its sub folders, by merely changing the root folder’s settings. In 
this particular case we create subfolders to hold all specific messages 
and the root shows all of them lumped together.


Does that answer your question?

Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

2023-09-03 Thread Henry Seiden


Benny,

Please understand, I continue to support your efforts. Despite what 
others here call “being salty”, I remain a fan and user of a level 
that works for my needs, presently experimental build 1.14 (r5978). If 
anyone needs a more stable product, recommend you try the latest test 
build, r5937.


In case no one has said it here recently, MailMate certainly 
out-distances the performance of other Mail apps in both it’s 
versatility, customization and overall performance to users of any 
version of MacOS. That is in itself a fabulous achievement.


The site for downloading these *experimental builds* is therefore not 
well publicized for the reason you say, Benny. You can find all builds 
in the archive page but your own needs and use levels may be worth 
considering before installation of an experimental build.


Look for Test Builds in the normal way when Benny chooses to get one to 
that level of his own expectation.


Respectfully,

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Just a quick update on this. This is still true, and I'm working hard 
to get back to something usable. Right now, my own build of MailMate 
is even worse than r5978. Some times, it is necessary to break things 
completely in order to properly fix them. I'm sorry it's taking a lot 
longer than anticipated, but I promise the end result will be an 
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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

2023-09-03 Thread Henry Seiden


Thanks for the guidance and explanations, Benny. Will do.

Though for right now, 5978 seems pretty good on the items you mention.

Respectfully,

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On 3 Sep 2023, at 9:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 3 Sep 2023, at 15:27, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote:

Hi Benny (and others), I'm currently running r5975 successfully.  
I've noticed a couple minor issues, which I've reported via the 'Send 
Feedback...' menu item.  Benny, do you want us to report on issues we 
find on these experimental builds, or would it be better if we wait 
until you release an official test build before providing feedback?


Right now, it's better to wait if it's related to issues like crashes, 
wrong messages being shown, and similar. I've already changed a lot 
and I'm pretty deep down the internals of MailMate right now and 
behavior is very likely to change.


Any issues which persist with the next update will naturally have my 
interest.


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Re: [MlMt] Heads up: r5979 crashes on startup for me...

2023-09-05 Thread Henry Seiden


Steve,

Gotcha and thanks for the heads up. Got that.

Think I will take a break for awhile from the agony of the experimental 
builds.


Will await a functional test build to try out on both the current OS and 
beta OS. I may try this one (r5978) on Sonoma and see how it does when 
using my data migrated from a previous working version.


Guess I’m growing too accustomed and needy of a functioning email app.

Respectfully,

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On 5 Sep 2023, at 16:05, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:

Just a heads up that r5979 will not even start up for me. Crashes 
while trying to open the app.


I rolled back to r5978 and all is working as expected.

M1 Max Ventura 13.5.1

Steve Mayer
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Re: [MlMt] Why do I get a skinny window?

2023-09-15 Thread Henry Seiden

Hello Annamarie,

Saw your skinny viewer message window link. Some additional context
would be helpful. Without regard to that, sharing some thoughts on how
to proceed further to fix what I would term from your description, a
restart OS window re-size problem (one I have not seen before)…

Questions:
* When did this start? Perhaps after an OS upgrade, new version of MM,
an Erase and Install of your startup disk or migration to an entirely
new Mac? Generally something triggers a similar situation.

* What version of MM are you running and did you recently upgrade it?
* Seems this is (depending on the above) related to some settings in
your installation got changed/updated, particularly one(s) that affect
the size of the message viewer window. MM has user settings and default
settings. It could have been a user-adjustable Layout setting. If not a
user setting, then its possibly one set in MM’s numerous default
settings made through a CLI (command line interface)- Terminal. I would
recommend saving your current settings before experimenting further.
* Have you tried to adjust the Layout settings to different ones? Do the
settings made “stick” after rebooting (come back to the size
selected)? How? The Layout option is in the View Menu. They are
contextual, that is different depending the selected, active screen.
* So you could try to open a message and select a Layout for it in
Menu>View>Layout from the presets there. See if it the Layout remains as
you had it when restarting your machine. This will tell you that your
settings remain as selected. If they don’t the problem is an internal
setting (Terminal setting) within MM.

* You might also try an app upgrade as a solution.

Communicating results of your troubleshooting might give users here some
further clues as to what happened. Others may have added thoughts or
experiences.

Respectfully,

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On 15 Sep 2023, at 5:45, Annamarie Pluhar wrote:

Hello all,

It’s annoying. The email message is skinny. Here is [link to
screenshot.](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6fgwxwcob0367rt3g2r42/Screenshot-2023-09-15-at-5.40.30-AM.png?rlkey=jsp71knw6f757gnf5pn8wnk4e=0).

This happens when I reboot my computer and start up MM. Any ideas how
to change this?

Thanks
Annamarie

802-451-1941
802-579-5975
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Re: [MlMt] Ver 1.14 (5937)

2023-09-14 Thread Henry Seiden


Thomas,

If you had a saved version of the MailMate settings and databases in a 
back up somewhere, all your previous settings could be restored, likely 
including those mentioned and perhaps some you didn’t realize as yet. 
Because of the high level of functionality and customization afforded in 
MailMate, settings become very important to restore functionality when a 
major storage component is replaced.


There is a topic in the User Manual that discusses that topic. Have you 
looked or tried to restore any of those settings, or the database? With 
it you could have brought back your previous settings, even to a new 
version.


You’ll find a topic in the Help Menu (or User Manual) discussing, 
“How to Transfer MailMate Settings to another computer.” (MailMate 
Help>Table of Contents>Rebuild Database).


Some you seem to have rebuilt manually. The sender folder assignments 
not so much. If you don’t have such a backup, you will also need to 
manually recreate those folder assignments.


Recommend you save your settings for future use with the procedure 
described in the above and back them up as you would all your files. Use 
the method described to reinstall them as needed when migrating to a new 
storage medium (called erase and install in Mac terms, I like to 
describe as a bare metal install).


Good luck.

Respectfully,

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On 14 Sep 2023, at 1:57, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:

My hard drive had to be wiped and the OS reinstalled, so I installed 
MailMate ver 1.14 (5937). The good news is that it can now connect 
with the two MS account servers for @outlook.com and @hotmail.com 
messages, which the earlier version could not do.  The perhaps dubious 
news is that the new version does not sort incoming mail into a unique 
sub-folder named for the sender, as the earlier version that I used 
did do. I like that feature. Is it not present in the new version, or 
have I overlooked a way to install it?


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Re: [MlMt] r5975 Experimental option Update

2023-09-01 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello All,

After getting (so far) three CPU Panics after installing/using r5975 in 
a release version of MacOS (13.5), admittedly though, not a 100% 
proof/direct causation of all crashes, I feel a need to remove and walk 
back MM to 1.14 (r5970), my last known, stable experimental version.


Hopefully this will end my cycle of strange cpu panic crashes.

I rarely get crashes now or in the past and have witnessed at least one 
related directly while using MM 5975 (failing during use of the app). I 
received no developer feedback to the Crash Reports from MacOS and no 
acknowledgment/status of the Ticket presented to Benny. All were 
reported to Apple and to Benny.


Beginning to think development has slowed considerably in my recent 
experience.


Respectfully,

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On 25 Aug 2023, at 10:10, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hi All,

I found the experimental version noted by Benny on the download site. 
Just for fun, trying it out to see if the version works without errors 
or crashes in Sonoma Beta 6 (latest available).


BTW, v5904 no longer exists but 5901 does.

Hesitant to give out the link publicly to download experimental 
versions, If you already have and play with experimental versions, 
then you know the base link, just replace whatever version you have on 
the web address with 5975 and you’re there to the download. Bon 
Chance.



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On 24 Aug 2023, at 15:08, Matt wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Is there a reason why r5971 is not available through the standard 
option-click on "Check Now" for test/alpha releases?


I took a look at the update archives, and it looks like the 
"MailMateTest.tbz" build hasn't been updated since r5964:

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

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Re: [MlMt] r5978

2023-09-01 Thread Henry Seiden


Steve,

Sorry to say, I cannot replicate what you’re reporting. But your issue 
should be forwarded to Benny.


As to what I see, in my install of M-M, the menu when a message is 
selected, (right click>Junk State>options) has **BOTH “Junk” and 
“Not Junk”** checked! This is true fro any selected message in the 
Inbox. So I would agree that is weird, since no junk is filtered in M-M. 
In my case, it comes pretty close - having for years used SpamSieve for 
junk mail filtering.


Here on my virtually unattended Mini, Apple Mail running SpamSieve 3.0 
b4 (beta) on a MacMini 2020 M1 to accomplish with Remote Training. That 
lets other machines drop suspected spam that get through easily. I’m 
told the new SpamSieve build 3.0 supports MailMate, however. Michael 
Tsai (developer of SpamSieve) says he will continue to support MailMate.


If there is a final imminent release of MailMate, I may try it using 
SpamSieve, but that seems way off.


My set up on the MacMini does all the filtering outside all other device 
applications (both for mobile devices using standard iOS Mail apps and 
other Mac like the MBP, both mobile and desktop connections.


So, I don’t use MM for ANY junk filtering. It can, I suppose, but it 
simply isn’t worth my time to try, plus a clean inbox is much too 
valuable to give up what works.


Take your point on experimental builds 1.14(r5978), though. R5975 seemed 
a bust having caused crashes on my machine (MBP2021 M1Pro) running MacOS 
13.5.1 (22G90) and apparently others, too.


Respectfully,

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On 1 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:

I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.  I’ve noticed 
something in the latest few test builds related to the status of the 
“Junk State” of the messages.  No matter where or what the message 
is, Right Clicking on the message and choosing “Junk State” always 
shows the ‘Junk’ entry with the checkmark.  I used to be able to 
choose Junk or Not Junk, but I seem unable to be able to modify this 
selection. Anyone else seeing this?


I’m also using the latest SpamSieve if that makes a difference.

Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] counting number of threads

2023-09-07 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Zvi,

Interesting way to use a count. Can’t say that I’ve ever tried that, 
could work, in some way on a folder/mailbox.


I’m sure our clever member could give some further hints on how to use 
count for threads in a (smart or other) mailbox since a thread is simply 
a particular mail. As to attaching a count to the parent email, (which 
may be what you have in mind), that might be a bit more challenging.


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On 7 Sep 2023, at 11:33, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,
Has anyone used the countMenu.plist to show the number of *threads* in 
a mailbox, not messages? If so, can you share the setup?


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Re: [MlMt] Mailbox sidebar - how to turn on/off it displaying

2023-09-13 Thread Henry Seiden


Doug,

Within Mailmate’s Main Window, on its Contextual Menu Bar, 
View>Layout>Hide Mailboxes.


There is a shortcut also, ^⌥⌘D (control+option+command+D) to turn 
Mailboxes on and off. Be sure your focus is on the correct (Main) 
window.


Have fun!

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On 13 Sep 2023, at 11:34, Doug Knapman via mailmate wrote:

Mailmate is no longer showing the sidebar on the left showing all the 
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Re: [MlMt] Message View Zoom: change permanent to 150%

2023-10-25 Thread Henry Seiden


Michael,

Hoped one or two ideas would work. And thanks for the temporary zoom 
hint. I never tried it before!


There are so many little things that make M-M such a great app. One of 
these days when time permits, I will convert my “Server” (Mac mini 
2020, now running Sonoma)  to MailMate and SpamSieve away from Mail and 
SpamSieve.


Respectfully,

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On 25 Oct 2023, at 15:55, Michael Nietzold wrote:


Hi Henry,

Thank you very much for your advice.

Unfortunately, changing my screen resolution isn't an option since it 
leads to oversized icons that take up too much space. :(


I have the default 150% zoom set on Chrome Browser for all pages.

I did come across the Viewer/Fonts/Size parameter, but I didn't 
anticipate it affecting the message view as well. I set it to 25 and 
it seems to be working fine.


However, I've noticed some minor layout glitches in HTML emails when 
using 150% compared to resizing via Font Size 25.


Nonetheless, this has been a significant improvement. Thanks a lot!


Best regards,

Michael

On 25 Oct 2023, at 19:51, Henry Seiden wrote:


Michael,

That’s an interesting ask for adjusting the display within the 
message window to a specific setting. Don’t know if that can be 
done. I can think of a workaround that I have used if the resolution 
of the display is such that the Mailmate window(s) are too small to 
read. You have a couple alternatives, then. These have nothing to do 
with the programmatic defaults.


Alternatives:
* Set your screen resolution appropriately to enlarge the screen AND 
Fonts.
* Adjust the fonts alone (Menu>View>Fonts) for the sidebar pane alone 
or message pane or main panel accordingly which is a one and done 
setting.



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On 23 Oct 2023, at 17:12, Michael Nietzold wrote:

While I see a message I can adjust the zoom with `cmd`+`-` or 
`cmd`+`=` to 150%


But I like to have the message view always at at zoom 150% (instead 
of 100%). Is there a hidden preference for this?

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Re: [MlMt] Message View Zoom: change permanent to 150%

2023-10-25 Thread Henry Seiden


Michael,

That’s an interesting ask for adjusting the display within the message 
window to a specific setting. Don’t know if that can be done. I can 
think of a workaround that I have used if the resolution of the display 
is such that the Mailmate window(s) are too small to read. You have a 
couple alternatives, then. These have nothing to do with the 
programmatic defaults.


Alternatives:
* Set your screen resolution appropriately to enlarge the screen AND 
Fonts.
* Adjust the fonts alone (Menu>View>Fonts) for the sidebar pane alone or 
message pane or main panel accordingly which is a one and done setting.



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On 23 Oct 2023, at 17:12, Michael Nietzold wrote:

While I see a message I can adjust the zoom with `cmd`+`-` or 
`cmd`+`=` to 150%


But I like to have the message view always at at zoom 150% (instead of 
100%). Is there a hidden preference for this?

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[MlMt] MailMate r5998 is posted

2023-10-28 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi All,

For those interested in a new build it was found to be posted by Benny 
in a casual search on the MailMate Archives page with the above r#.


Note that these are **not yet** classified by the developer as “Test 
Build”, rather as a “Pre-release” and probably not recommended by 
him for either business or any critical applications. I suppose you 
could call it an “Experimental.” This is simply an assumption on my 
part as a user.


However, this one as previous does have access to build information and 
improvements made (installation history) up to and including the build 
supplied.


Good luck and thanks for moving this app forward, Benny!

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[MlMt] MailMate r5998 is posted

2023-10-28 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi All,

For those interested in a new build it was found to be posted by Benny 
in a casual search on the MailMate Archives page with the above r#.


Note that these are **not yet** classified by the developer as “Test 
Build”, rather as a “Pre-release” and probably not recommended by 
him for either business or any critical applications. I suppose you 
could call it an “Experimental.” This is simply an assumption on my 
part as a user.


However, this one as previous does have access to build information and 
improvements made (revision history and Release Notes) accessible after 
installation including the build supplied


You can revert back to your previous install by keeping a backup of the 
app and deleting this one. It uses the same settings files previous 
installed (but don’t if it updates them further). It works on at least 
the current release of MacOS 14.1(23B74) to the extent of the features I 
use. You’ll be able to see in the revision history what has changed 
going back to what you had installed.


Some people take the thought that if the current app meets my needs, 
then why go to a new one. Why indeed! No rush. Others like to see the 
new stuff.


Good luck and thanks for moving this app forward, Benny!

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Re: [MlMt] 5937 is the latest version available. You have version 5964.

2023-10-02 Thread Henry Seiden


John,

The version history for the version you are running and all previous is 
found within the app at, MM see Menu Bar>Help>Release Notes.


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On 2 Oct 2023, at 9:57, John Cooper wrote:


Henry Seiden wrote (at 6:30 AM on Monday, October 2, 2023):

Each version has a version history available in the app when loaded.

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Re: [MlMt] 5937 is the latest version available. You have version 5964.

2023-10-02 Thread Henry Seiden


Quinn,

The Archived listing of [MM versions is at this 
link](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/) and includes 
speculative(my term), test and pre-release versions of 1.14. In the app 
the fallback is to r5964. Each version has a version history available 
in the app when loaded.


I know of no new release versions beyond all of these. I am on the 
current (latest speculative) version r5989 released 9/29/2023.


The fallback version is likely also the pre-release version (check 
Version History) and is quite old as new features were released in the 
interim.


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On 1 Oct 2023, at 17:40, Quinn Comendant via mailmate wrote:


When I check for a new test build, I get this message:


5937 is the latest version available. You have version 5964.


How did I end up on a version newer than the latest test version?

I'm used to receiving a new test build version a few times per month, 
but I've been getting only this message for the past couple months. 
Has there been no test versions after 5964?


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Re: [MlMt] archive??

2023-09-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Jo,

If you save / archive your email locally and successfully regardless of 
the application used (MM, Mail, etc.), and confirm that the .eml file 
AND attachments are stored locally, you should retain them locally.


I recommend you try it with one or more of those emails using MM to be 
sure you’ve save it appropriately into a location you’re able to get 
to and see correctly on your machine.


I have saved off my email and attachments yearly and after that rarely 
need to access them further, but I know where they are. Hope this helps.


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On 22 Sep 2023, at 1:44, Jo wrote:

If I archive it will it stay? I'd like to have access to previous 
online orders in case I want to look something up. I have a smart 
mailbox that collects all my order-related mail. Can I archive that to 
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Re: [MlMt] app specific password??

2023-08-13 Thread Henry Seiden


Jo,

You create an app specific password in iCloud.com. However, you need to 
enable two-factor first. Then you can create the app-specific password 
there.  Maybe that’s why things are different with the changes you 
made?


Here’s an [Apple Support document on implementing app-specific 
passwords](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204397).


I label my own app-specific passwords with the apps they are used with 
for clarity in iCloud.com and in my local password manager(mSecure).


All version of MailMate have no problem using the third party passwords 
once updated in iCloud. If you changed your base password in iCloud that 
is the first place to look to confirm its settings are still in place. 
Usually they stay put, I have not seen them change for this reason, but 
recommend that you check your iCloud.



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Re: [MlMt] Default search field per folder

2023-08-18 Thread Henry Seiden

Good hints, all. And the last search performed is remembered for saving 
after clearing from the search bar as noted by the save and cancel 
buttons that appear.


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I’m not aware of any hidden default to initialize a search context, 
but I use the one-character search shortcuts all the time. To search 
for “sender address contains”, just prefix the search with “f 
”. Likewise, for “recipient address contains”, use “t ”. 
Several other options are documented under “Search View” in the 
MailMate help, and the qualifiers can all be combined in a single 
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Re: [MlMt] Hidden preference ""

2023-08-26 Thread Henry Seiden


Brock,

I replicated what you did in my Experimental Build r5975 installation 
with two unread messages (one was yours) showing in my Inbox. Works fine 
to advance to the next subsequent message. Reads fine after changes, as 
it was set. Seems like any group selection works in a similar fashion 
for me.


Did not check in advance, but it seems that that this would be the 
desired (default) action, one previously set as default. But I’m not 
sure of that. I do note that this setting keeps the unread status of the 
message as it was set (there is a 30 sec time delay, so it is expected).


The logic with this enabled (then, selecting archive icon) moves and 
locates the icon down the list, until the end of the selection, then 
moves upwards to move the remaining, selected items one at a time or a 
group at a time depending on your selection grouping.


Does anyone know what the default setting is supposed to be, if 
different and why?


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On 26 Aug 2023, at 12:45, Brock Brandenberg wrote:


Hello.

Does anyone else use/set the hidden pref for 
“MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy”, and if so, is your 597x version 
still behaving properly? To me, it appears that this selection order 
is broken in the 597x test builds. The last I remember it working 
properly was a 596x build.


Here’s what I set from Terminal:

defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy 
-string "unreadOrNext"


I have not changed this setting recently, but I set it again before 
posting this, and I checked it by reading it back to make sure it is 
set. Deleting a message or archiving one always moved the selection to 
the next unread message either immediately above or below it in the 
list, but now in 5975, it regularly selects a read message when an 
unread one is adjacent.


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Re: [MlMt] r5975 Experimental option Update[first look]

2023-08-25 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello All,

First look at experimental version 5975 updated from 5970 (changing no 
settings) and using the correspondence view, 3 pane display. So far (1 
hour of use):
* No issues crashing (cause of concern to others, but I never 
experienced in Ventura or Sonoma OS).
* Still have a previously report column issue with the message layout 
where the date column is compressed too small by defalkt and has trouble 
being widened since it’s the rightmost column. I have to drag it 
around a lot to get it to even display a date. The truncating operation 
of that column CUTS OFF the date portion completely, so dragging the 
column is a multi-step process. If Benny wants a video of it, I can do. 
It’s been like this a long time and I suspect it goes back too the 
latest beta depending on settings.
* No problem composing messages in my current settings migrated as 
above.


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On 25 Aug 2023, at 10:10, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hi All,

I found the experimental version noted by Benny on the download site. 
Just for fun, trying it out to see if the version works without errors 
or crashes in Sonoma Beta 6 (latest available).


BTW, v5904 no longer exists but 5901 does.

Hesitant to give out the link publicly to download experimental 
versions, If you already have and play with experimental versions, 
then you know the base link, just replace whatever version you have on 
the web address with 5975 and you’re there to the download. Bon 
Chance.



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On 24 Aug 2023, at 15:08, Matt wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Is there a reason why r5971 is not available through the standard 
option-click on "Check Now" for test/alpha releases?


I took a look at the update archives, and it looks like the 
"MailMateTest.tbz" build hasn't been updated since r5964:

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

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Re: [MlMt] r5975 Experimental option Update

2023-08-25 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi All,

I found the experimental version noted by Benny on the download site. 
Just for fun, trying it out to see if the version works without errors 
or crashes in Sonoma Beta 6 (latest available).


BTW, v5904 no longer exists but 5901 does.

Hesitant to give out the link publicly to download experimental 
versions, If you already have and play with experimental versions, then 
you know the base link, just replace whatever version you have on the 
web address with 5975 and you’re there to the download. Bon Chance.



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On 24 Aug 2023, at 15:08, Matt wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Is there a reason why r5971 is not available through the standard 
option-click on "Check Now" for test/alpha releases?


I took a look at the update archives, and it looks like the 
"MailMateTest.tbz" build hasn't been updated since r5964:

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

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Re: [MlMt] r5975 Experimental option Update, screen shot of Version History

2023-08-25 Thread Henry Seiden

Version works fine with no crashing for me, all other aspects seem the 
same as Sonoma Beta results, this test on MacOS Release 13.5.1 Ventura 
for about a hour.


Here’s a [screenshot to the most current Version History 
(Dropbox)](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qx39os4umbolk3h6uf2ru/M-M-1.5975_Version-History_20230825.png?rlkey=ilr0dvfxrqzfibbxnzszbt9lb=0) 
showing only through v 5970.


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On 25 Aug 2023, at 10:10, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hi All,

I found the experimental version noted by Benny on the download site. 
Just for fun, trying it out to see if the version works without errors 
or crashes in Sonoma Beta 6 (latest available).


BTW, v5904 no longer exists but 5901 does.

Hesitant to give out the link publicly to download experimental 
versions, If you already have and play with experimental versions, 
then you know the base link, just replace whatever version you have on 
the web address with 5975 and you’re there to the download. Bon 
Chance.



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On 24 Aug 2023, at 15:08, Matt wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Is there a reason why r5971 is not available through the standard 
option-click on "Check Now" for test/alpha releases?


I took a look at the update archives, and it looks like the 
"MailMateTest.tbz" build hasn't been updated since r5964:

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

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Re: [MlMt] r5971 Update

2023-08-25 Thread Henry Seiden

Based on all reports, I’m on 5970 and happy. Will continue with the 
version that works for me reliably with crashing or other anomalies. 
Happy to test a new version or “Test Build” when released, and in 
new beta OS’s and report back.


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On 25 Aug 2023, at 1:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Aug 2023, at 23:54, Scott wrote:

Just a heads up - I'm one of the people who has extremely regular 
crashes and 5974 crashes every time I try to send email, without 
fail.


I've removed the upload until I've had a chance to review the 
issue(s). I'll never learn not to upload and then go to bed :)


(Obviously, sending works for me.)


Data sent along, Benny, but, just wanted to let others know.


Thanks for that!!

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Re: [MlMt] app specific password??

2023-08-14 Thread Henry Seiden


Jo,

What I can’t tell in iCloud (without doing what you did - 
removing/replacing the original password) is when you did that did the 
old app-specific password(s) disappear. I suspect they did, but don’t 
know for sure if that’s so. I found a post in [Apple Community 
discussions](https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252417570) that a user 
says that it is so. So based on your experience and theirs, I would 
agree with you.


It sounds like you have now created a new app-specific password, it’s 
the only one there and it exists and you have named it. So, that should 
be it. The thing is the **ONLY** place to see/confirm it is on the 
iCloud.com web site.


You won’t see it in the Mac (System Settings) or iPhone settings. So I 
believe you are correct that any previous settings were cleared as a 
result of your password change. If you care to complain about that 
possible issue, the place to go is Apple Support.


And you should of course make note of it.  Why? Because in MM(MailMate) 
it won’t be visible either (security) even though it can be copied as 
a setting to use if migrating to another machine in the future.


By the continue on your device(s) message in iCloud it’s telling you 
to use the device needed and the application on that device for that 
password. Doesn’t sound like you did anything wrong so far. So let’s 
look at MM, where of course you’ve already entered the new 
*app-specific password* appropriately.


Going to MM… The menu Edit IMAP setting should indicate whether that 
password is now working for you there. In MM you input that 
*app-specific* password **INSTEAD** of the regular iCloud account 
password for MM’s IMAP Server and SMTP Server. Have you tried that? 
Sometimes if MM has trouble it will pop up the warning screen for the 
password to enter. You can enter it there or in Edit IMAP settings.


Within MM’s edit IMAP settings, don’t forget to Apply your changes.

How to check in MM that all is well? Click the edit subscriptions button 
to see if the screen populates with the server mailboxes showing (tells 
you that MM is communicating with the iCloud server). If it is, then all 
your mail should be showing up. Please confirm.


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On 13 Aug 2023, at 21:42, Jo wrote:

OK, this is what happens. I go to icloud.com and sign in. That all 
works fine with my new password (this is on my macbook). I click on 
App Specific Passwords and it tells me I have none (I know I have 
created at least one in the past, not sure if it was for MM or not, I 
forget). So I click on the button that says 'generate an app specific 
password.' I name this 'mailmate.' That takes me to the message 'C, 
ontinue on one of your devices
On an iPhone, iPad or iPod touch go to Settings > Apple ID. On a Mac 
go to System Preferences or System Settings > Apple ID.'


OK, so I go to my phone, to settings/apple ID. There's nothing there 
that seems to be encouraging me to continue. 2 factor ID is on. I look 
under Password & Security, nothing about app specific passwords there. 
Can't find anything anywhere that appears to help.


I go back to the macbook and hit the ok button underneath the previous 
instructions to continue on another device, but nothing happens there 
either. It just takes me back to the beginning.


what am I doiing wrong??

(to be clear, this was all working just fine before I changed my apple 
ID password a few days ago - I was receiving my icloud mail via MM no 
problem - and yes I've updated the password in the IMAP account 
settings with the new apple ID password)



On 13 Aug 2023, at 18:10, Henry Seiden wrote:


Jo,

You create an app specific password in iCloud.com. However, you need 
to enable two-factor first. Then you can create the app-specific 
password there.  Maybe that’s why things are different with the 
changes you made?


Here’s an [Apple Support document on implementing app-specific 
passwords](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204397).


I label my own app-specific passwords with the apps they are used 
with for clarity in iCloud.com and in my local password 
manager(mSecure).


All version of MailMate have no problem using the third party 
passwords once updated in iCloud. If you changed your base password 
in iCloud that is the first place to look to confirm its settings are 
still in place. Usually they stay put, I have not seen them change 
for this reason, but recommend that you check your iCloud.


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Re: [MlMt] remove text from incoming/outgoing emails

2022-04-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Martin,

Looks like the message was purposely placed in the body of messages at 
the server level, for a reason.


Seems to me that they want to discourage use of their servers, 
Pratt.edu, for non-company uses, heavily filtering both incoming and 
outgoing messages, hence the attachments to both the IMAP and SMTP 
sides.


IMO, this could be solved by using a personal (free) account and/or a 
discussion with your server admins.


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On 22 Apr 2022, at 9:21, Martin Dege wrote:


Hello All,

I think this was asked before but I cannot find a solution:

Is there a way to locally filter incoming (and outgoing) messages for 
text snippets inserted by the server, such as the following:


*CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do 
not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender 
and know the content is safe.*


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Re: [MlMt] GPG Encryption + Signing

2022-04-24 Thread Henry Seiden


Hey Stephan,

Funny, but I get the same message in Mailmate on this message, even 
though it seems I can read (all of) the contents?!?
Your message shows the following banners at top, which says, “OpenPGP 
unable to locate the command (gpg) needed…” (in red background)
And the banner below that, “Verifying OpenPGP message signature…” 
(on a yellow background).


Are these clues to what you are seeing?

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On 24 Apr 2022, at 16:27, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi,

I have some trouble using the GPG encryption support in MailMate. I'll 
try to explain:
I created an encrypted email, sent it to me and tried to decrypt it on 
iOS using different mechanisms, iPGMail and CanaryMail - both worked 
fine.


I tried the same with an encrypted and signed Email and both tools 
told me, the signature could not be verified... Mailmate itself tells, 
all the signature is valid.


Does anybody have the same issue and/or some solution? It is not 
really pressing, but I'd like to use encryption / signature more often 
if possible...


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Re: [MlMt] GPG Encryption + Signing

2022-04-24 Thread Henry Seiden


Stephen,

So, why can I read it, without OpenPGP installed?

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On 24 Apr 2022, at 17:08, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi Henry,

in your case, the GPG-Support seems not to be installed on your mac. 
You need to install GPGSuite for GPG to work.
if it works, the banner should be green with the text: `OpenPGP: This 
message is trusted to have been signed by the sender (EMAIL).`


So, unfortunately, your error is not related to mine. In my case, 
MailMate always shows the correct banner. But other Mail-Clients with 
PGP/GPG-Support show the signature to be false or invalid.


Cheers,

Stephan

On 24 Apr 2022, at 23:04, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hey Stephan,

Funny, but I get the same message in Mailmate on this message, even 
though it seems I can read (all of) the contents?!?
Your message shows the following banners at top, which says, 
“OpenPGP unable to locate the command (gpg) needed…” (in red 
background)
And the banner below that, “Verifying OpenPGP message 
signature…” (on a yellow background).


Are these clues to what you are seeing?

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On 24 Apr 2022, at 16:27, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi,

I have some trouble using the GPG encryption support in MailMate. 
I'll try to explain:
I created an encrypted email, sent it to me and tried to decrypt it 
on iOS using different mechanisms, iPGMail and CanaryMail - both 
worked fine.


I tried the same with an encrypted and signed Email and both tools 
told me, the signature could not be verified... Mailmate itself 
tells, all the signature is valid.


Does anybody have the same issue and/or some solution? It is not 
really pressing, but I'd like to use encryption / signature more 
often if possible...


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Re: [MlMt] Attachments list to bottom?

2022-04-26 Thread Henry Seiden

That’s good. Which version are you all in? Current Test Build is 
r5892, BTW.


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On 26 Apr 2022, at 10:57, Glenn Parker wrote:


On 21 Apr 2022, at 10:05, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 21 Apr 2022, at 14:36, John Hughes via mailmate wrote:

I didn’t see a reply to Quinn’s question so is there a solution 
to this? I’m using version 5852.


I don't think so. Ideally, we need something a bit like the "tray" 
used when adding attachments and this should be 
expandable/collapsible. But I think this kind of UI candy tends to be 
quite tricky.


Maybe someone could mock up a design?


FWIW, earlier versions of MailMate actually defaulted to listing 
attachments at the bottom of the message. There was a hidden 
preference to move them to the top, which is still mentioned in the 
online help section for Hidden Preferences, but it no longer does 
anything. This change seems to have occurred after a major rewrite of 
the message display code.


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Re: [MlMt] Attachments list to bottom?

2022-04-26 Thread Henry Seiden

See some reference to Mail Attachments but not that specific item. 
It’s mentioned in Release Notes>Revision History - at r5882, 5883. 
That goes back to March, 2022. Earlier??


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On 26 Apr 2022, at 10:57, Glenn Parker wrote:


On 21 Apr 2022, at 10:05, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 21 Apr 2022, at 14:36, John Hughes via mailmate wrote:

I didn’t see a reply to Quinn’s question so is there a solution 
to this? I’m using version 5852.


I don't think so. Ideally, we need something a bit like the "tray" 
used when adding attachments and this should be 
expandable/collapsible. But I think this kind of UI candy tends to be 
quite tricky.


Maybe someone could mock up a design?


FWIW, earlier versions of MailMate actually defaulted to listing 
attachments at the bottom of the message. There was a hidden 
preference to move them to the top, which is still mentioned in the 
online help section for Hidden Preferences, but it no longer does 
anything. This change seems to have occurred after a major rewrite of 
the message display code.


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[MlMt] Feature Request: Make the MailMate Release Notes page searchable (Spotlight?)

2022-04-26 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello Benny and all at MailMate Developers,

I have a suggestion which occurred to me from a comment in the Users 
group about showing attachment lists.


I can’t find any way to search for a word or group of words in the 
MailMate doc, Release Notes, accessible from the Help menu. Looking for 
a specific issue (“Attachments”) this feature might be helpful to 
check for an edition a given trouble was resolved in, or a myriad of 
other uses.


Respectfully,

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Re: [MlMt] Feature Request: Make the MailMate Release Notes page searchable (Spotlight?)

2022-04-26 Thread Henry Seiden


Billy,

Thanks. Sounds like the way to go, at least for now.

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On 26 Apr 2022, at 13:11, Billy Youdelman wrote:

On 26 Apr 2022, at 8:39, John Cooper quoted Henry Seiden and 
suggested:


I can’t find any way to search for a word or group of words in the 
MailMate doc, Release Notes, accessible from the Help menu.


Select all, copy, paste in your favorite text app, and search.


How about just opening this with whichever web browser you prefer:

file:Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Resources/ReleaseNotes.html

It will retain all the formatting, although Text Edit might, too.  And 
it may be bookmarked.  The file has been in this same location for 
quite a long time.


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Re: [MlMt] Regex search?

2022-04-10 Thread Henry Seiden


My suggestion to you is use SpamSieve.

It’s the BEST app for filtering out spam hands down. A time-saver and 
headache saver to doing it yourself. I use it in Mail.app running on a 
drone machine set up (MacMini M1, 2020). You can find the details in his 
[extensive user manual application online 
pages](https://c-command.com/spamsieve/manual#setting-up-other-mail-c). 
that also runs all my backup and has network-accessible storage for two 
machines on the home network 24x7.


Using the training filtering methods there, there’s no trouble 
filtering  all junk from my Inbox. I have not taken the time to find out 
if and how well SpamSieve filters with MailMate by itself, simply 
because I have not found it necessary to so.


Spam just doesn’t get to the drone client machine running MailMate. I 
understand that Benny’s interface for SpamSieve is supposed to be 
pretty good (according to SpamSieve’s developer, Michael Tsai). I 
can’t say enough about Michael’s [support of that app and others he 
developed](http://c-command.com).


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On 10 Apr 2022, at 13:54, Quinn Comendant wrote:

Does Mailmate support regular expressions in the Search All Messages 
or in any other search context?


The only mention I can find of using regex to search is to [create a 
custom 
specifier](https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2015-April/004223.html). 
Is that the only way?


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Re: [MlMt] How to reliably move incoming messages to separate mailboxes?

2023-11-08 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Pierre,

Given your experience, I can see this working if for example, you move 
message within MailMate only. I **usually** move them that way, but like 
not always to the Archive Mailbox per account. Also this not a “Smart 
Mailbox”.


So it doesn’t seem to be worthwhile trying, unless there is a rule to 
first move a message to a temporary mailbox, then apply the setting(s) 
desired, E.G. color, then move it back to the original place. It may get 
the setting wiped out at that point anyway.


So, in short while it’s nice to colorize the email by a color code 
similar to what was applied to the icon of a standard mailbox (which 
still works, BTW), but no longer apparently, to the message contents 
itself.


Mail does seem to allow the contents to be colored - both the background 
and characters when placed in the spam folders. How do I know this, you 
may ask? SpamSieve uses the techniques of coloration to apply it to 
aspects of the email (subject) IN THE MESSAGE LIST. That coloration is 
NOT reflected in the same message and the same folder in MM however.


Just giving some background for your issue. Frankly, the coloration 
mentioned here is not of great enough interest to pursue it further for 
me. Seems like it could be done, but don’t know the reasoning not the 
the issues. Just providing some hints for your background study. Good 
Luck.



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On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:02, Pierre Igot wrote:


Hi,

With the elimination in recent versions of MailMate of support for the 
“hidden” feature for colouring messages in the inbox message list 
using a file called Styles.plist, I have been told by Benny that I 
need to use smart mailboxes to apply colours to messages in a combined 
message list.


My problem is that I can only see doing this in a practical fashion by 
using rules to automatically move incoming messages to specific 
(coloured) mailboxes and then by using a smart mailbox to combine the 
contents of these various coloured mailboxes into a single message 
list, with each message retaining the colour of its parent mailbox.


HOWEVER, this only works if my rules for moving incoming messages to 
specific mailboxes works reliably for all messages. But I am finding 
that it doesn’t work reliably. Sometimes incoming messages stay in 
the inbox even though they do meet the criteria of the rule that is 
supposed to move them.


My impression is that this might be because the move action only works 
when messages actually “arrive” in the inbox, and I am assuming 
that this “arriving” state is not always detected because incoming 
messages might arrive in my inbox during a time when MailMate is NOT 
checking for new mail and one of my other devices (iPad, iPhone) IS 
checking for new mail, so that the arrival of these messages is not 
detected by MailMate. (I can “force” MailMate to move these missed 
messages to their destination by manually moving them to another box 
and then back to the inbox, but obviously I cannot keep doing this 
every time MM misses one.)


Is that really what’s going on? Or is there another reason why 
sometimes incoming messages are NOT moved to their respective 
mailboxes even though they do meet the criteria of the rule that is 
supposed to move them?


If my theory is correct, how can I ensure that incoming messages are 
ALWAYS moved from the inbox to their destination mailbox reliably, 
regardless of whether they “arrive” first on my iPhone or iPad 
before showing up in MailMate on my Mac?


Apologies if I am misunderstanding something obvious.

Pierre


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Re: [MlMt] Message colouring hierarchy?

2023-11-09 Thread Henry Seiden


Pierre,

Here’s my manual workflow to handle my mail in 10 accounts in a single 
session, runs about 10-20 min depending on items counts:
1. Manually read and mark as read from the generic All Inboxes (smart) 
mailbox. I do not have the option to auto-mark mail when opened as read 
for security reasons (do not want to auto-mark when opened).
2. Move read items to Archive as needed, before or after reply, as 
suitable.

3. Delete the rest whether junk or copied Mailing List items.
4. Compose new mail or reply to inbound mail:
a. Send immediately (goes to sent mail folder).
	b. Save to Draft folder which goes to relative account’s folder upon 
saving the draft item.
	c. Save to draft as future delivery (setting a future delivery date), 
which goes to the relative account’s draft (smart) folder.

d. Inbox is left empty for future incoming mail.

Working on use of colored mailboxes as prompts for handled mail in MM. 
Will sorted mail from an iOS device share the coloring scheme? Will find 
out soon…


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On 9 Nov 2023, at 13:00, Pierre Igot wrote:


Hi,

One more question about message colouring using smart mailboxes in 
MailMate, and then I’ll try to keep quiet. (I checked the manual 
online, but obviously it hasn’t been updated recently and doesn’t 
contain anything about the new colouring features yet.)


I would like to know if it is possible to have BOTH a default colour 
for all incoming messages for a given email account AND other colours 
applied to some of the messages for that given email account if they 
meet some specific criteria.


Right now, I have a default colour for each of my email accounts, and 
I also have coloured smart mailboxes that apply colouring to incoming 
messages based on specific criteria that have nothing to do with which 
account the message belongs to. Unfortunately, it looks like the 
colour assigned to the email account SUPERSEDES the colour applied by 
the smart mailbox. Is there any way to get it to work the other way 
around, i.e. to get the colour applied by the smart mailbox to 
SUPERSEDE the colour assigned to the email account? In other words, is 
there some kind of colouring hierarchy?


TIA

Pierre

PS: Sorry if I am not always using the exact terminology expected. I 
am just a user with fine-grained needs :).


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate, Gmail, & OAUTH2 verification

2022-05-20 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Antonio,

That was likely and either/or scenario, fully played out by Google. 
I’ve been using OAUTH2 for several accounts on Google. Others - 
iCloud(Apple), Outlook(MS), Yahoo have new methods of verifying accounts 
with SSL. Both adapt fairly well to email clients like MailMate for me.


Yahoo! has one quirk  I wish Benny would fix in MM. Don’t know if 
it’s related, but what happens is that Yahoo cannot verify the account 
if the laptop is moved to a new locale or IP address (not always a 
different  router). It fails authorization/recognition by the server. 
Then requires me to take that account off line and re-register it (log 
it back in). Yahoo becomes happy again, until the next time.


Benny, care to comment about this one and how you want me to report it 
as a bug? I’ve been seeing in all 1.14 releases tried on this server 
only, including Test Builds for a while now. Currently on 1.14 r5895, 
MacOS 12.1.3 (Monterey).


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On 19 May 2022, at 17:34, Antonio Leding wrote:


Hell MM community,

A few days ago, I ran across a post discussing the upcoming Google 
mandate that all Gmail users must use OAUTH2.  My understanding is 
that this has been working in MM for quite a while so no issue there.


The part that got me wondering is this - this post stated that some 
apps may need to undergo an annual Google verification process and 
that this could cost the devs several hundred or thousands of dollars 
per year.


I have no idea if this applies to Mailmate but since I had not seen 
anything about this specific topic, I thought I would raise it if only 
to have the feedback be “No concern - we’re  all good to go.”


If I have overlooked a previous discussion on this topic, please 
accept my mea culpa.  Thanks in advance for reading…


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Re: [MlMt] Final M1 builds

2022-05-20 Thread Henry Seiden


For all users of Monterey…

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On 20 May 2022, at 16:20, Joseph P. Hillenburg wrote:

It seems like those of us with M1s and Monterey have been using test 
builds for some time. When should we expect GA for these users?


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Re: [MlMt] Crashes every time selecting "Send Now" when quitting

2022-05-29 Thread Henry Seiden

FWIW, Christian, I have not had this issue, ever.

I would have done what you did, if I had. As to your concern over nuked
email stored on the server, I have both a full backup of the downloaded
messages, a stand alone app and machine, therefore I could confirm the
status of the server using Mail.app immediately.

If AFTER a search in MM is complete check in the sidebar where you are.
Sometime the display of messages will be blank because of the search
conditions are showing nothing, so you’ll need to hit cancel if the
search window isn’t cleared.

Can’t imagine a program like MM nuking email on your server, but I
guess anything can happen. Glad you got something running. I just
completely rebuilt my machine while doing an erase and install of MacOS
12.4. It all went rather well, and put back a new copy of Test Build
r5898 and the database in MM while at it. All good here.

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On 29 May 2022, at 15:33, Christian Bailey via mailmate wrote:

I was able to get in by overwriting MM with the last stable version
(MailMate for macOS 10.10-10.15: MailMate 1.13.2 (r5673). This time
clicking “Ignore” a few times on the modal did allow me to dismiss
it and

MM to load.

On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 10:19 PM Christian Bailey via mailmate
'mailmate at

lists.freron.com' wrote:

Now I'm completely locked out of MailMate, and thus all my mail.

I quit while a message draft was still open. MM asked if I wanted to
save
or discard, I clicked "discard". Now on opening MM, I'm presented
with a
modal saying "Import Autosaved Draft". Clicking "Ignore" or "Import"
shows
button action but the model does not disappear and MM does not load.
Screen

video:
https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dfcXfLcthAOxhUbUAleoIrTg#Screen_Recording_2022-05-29_at_10.06.21_PM

Any suggestions on what to do? Is there a way to find and clear just
that

draft message without nuking my stored mail folders?

Can I roll back to the previous beta that didn't have these crashes?
(two

or three before 5897 I'd guess)

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 12:15 AM Benny Kjær Nielsen 'mailinglist at
freron.com' wrote:

On 20 May 2022, at 22:52, Christian Bailey via mailmate wrote:

Has happened consistently since the previous update. Still
occurring

after the latest 1.14 update (5897).

Thanks for the report. I'll try to reproduce this and contact you if
it's

not possible.

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate, Gmail, & OAUTH2 verification

2022-05-29 Thread Henry Seiden

iCloud similarly uses 3ᴿᴰ party app passwords in their (Apple ID) 
account structure. Keep in mind that in the case of multiple accounts, 
you (may) need specific passwords per account and per application. In my 
case, there are two apps which access iCloud server accounts - one for 
Mail (MM), the other for Contacts (Busy Contacts).


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On 20 May 2022, at 14:27, Sam Birch wrote:


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Re: [MlMt] New status icons

2022-06-23 Thread Henry Seiden


Randall,

I get it. Also somewhat problematic as to both, the flag and importance 
are shared in one column, as are status (unread, forwarded and replied). 
Could it be that those shared columns are in some ways more important, 
hence larger?


Since Benny and his team have chosen to include so much flexibility, not 
sure about all of that flexibility being necessary but if it is, I would 
agree that those leftmost could be in some way more adjustable than they 
are (currently neither in size of the icon nor column widths, though 
they are draggable in position).


As said previously, in my perfect world the particular sizes of those 
icons is good as is. Particularly, the rightmost column, signaling only 
an attachment. From what you say, I think you have no objection to that?


How do you enable importance, BTW?

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On 22 Jun 2022, at 17:30, Randall Gellens wrote:

My apologies: I meant to say that the status and flags are the two 
left-most columns.


--Randall

On 22 Jun 2022, at 8:39, Randall Gellens wrote:

The columns to the right are resizable by dragging, but the status 
and flags (two right-most columns) are not.



--Randall

On 22 Jun 2022, at 7:03, Henry Seiden wrote:


Hi Randall,

In MM v1.14, both Test Builds, r5898 and r5899 show the column 
widths in the Message window adjustable and the icons everywhere 
normal looking to me.


May I suggest you try saving your settings, then removing and 
reinstalling the app and save your previous settings without having 
MM open? I have found this useful as a general cure-all, for 
settings gone awry. (There’s a How-to in the Help menu>Rebuild 
Database>How to transfer MailMate Settings…). I use this when 
installing MM on test builds of new MacOS as well as 
troubleshooting. Maybe Benny has other advice, but that has worked 
for me in the past.


Good luck.

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On 22 Jun 2022, at 9:14, Randall Gellens wrote:

I updated to 58999 and the new status icons look gigantic. I'm 
using the three-pane view (mailboxes on left, table of contents on 
right, message view below). The column widths don't seem adjustable 
so I can't shrink the status column. Is there a way to switch to 
smaller icons?


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Re: [MlMt] 5895 is great

2022-06-23 Thread Henry Seiden


I like a lot of these and can’t wait to try out r5900. Thanks, Benny!

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On 23 Jun 2022, at 14:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

The latest test release (r5900) might be a bit unstable since it 
includes several major new features and new features also means new 
bugs. Users on the mailing list are very welcome to report any issues 
with these features. Here's a short description:


  - Improved integration with Contacts when using smart mailboxes 
and/or rules. It's now possible to test if a given header email 
address exists in Contacts and/or any specific account/group.
  - For new users, a connection “wizard” helps setting up new 
accounts based on email address(es). This is a replacement for the old 
and often dysfunctional account importer. The wizard appears when 
using “File ▸ Add IMAP Account”.
  - For the first time ever, the printing panel includes a group of 
MailMate settings. For now, that means an option to exclude message 
headers and an option to enable/disable page breaks between messages 
(when printing multiple messages).


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Re: [MlMt] 5900 first blush...

2022-06-24 Thread Henry Seiden

Stephen,

Any idea what is going on in Preside? I sent in a support request to
them about an issue with Google Mail (gmail).

I tried it with my Google (gmail) account and it was a bust. Preside
refused to accept the OAUTH login info from Google and quit at that step
in their instructions. Also would not import existing accounts in any
way.

So, I’m kinda done there.

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On 24 Jun 2022, at 15:18, Stephan Kleiber via mailmate wrote:

The one thing that I sorely miss in Preside is PGP signing and
encryption support. Other than that, it‘s really, really powerful.
You won‘t get any closer to MailMate with an email client on a
mobile device.

On 24. Jun 2022 at 18:29:42 CEST, aisrael
wrote:

Interesting, I missed this piece. I am a heavy user of Preside (never
got used to Altamail), which I also find the closest thing to
Mailmate
on an iPhone. In particular its Search function is pretty impressive.
In
addition, its developer, Rich Waters, answers queries very quickly.
He

mentioned he is a also a single-person ‘team’, and he interacted
with Benny in the past.

Alain

PS : I had problems with Preside because of my Exchange server, but
Exchange is problematic with all email clients, including Mailmate.

On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:04, bw...@wraytx.com wrote:

On Jun 24, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Michael Nietzold wrote:

Any Plans to make it in the future?

Benny has said “No” to an iOS version numerous times in the
past.

A couple of years ago, with the valuable help of several members of
this mailing list, I wrote a piece about two possible iOS
alternatives

you might want to consider:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2020/05/battle-ios-email-heavyweights/__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!vojUqoRbxNL3VX5VWytKI9gpO1EfKk9o58qudYCOti2MxC2xIwJ3NSPRLC04M1rnaJBMlYUp4H4ZvL0$

Best wishes,

Bryce Wray
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Re: [MlMt] Bcc list

2022-07-04 Thread Henry Seiden


Randall,

Thought of another solution, one I use regularly to include a list of 
BCC Contacts. It works well for me in an email. It is outside MM but I 
find it useful if I need to send to a list of contacts.


I use Busy Contact as my contact manager (instead of the built-in 
Contacts.app). I has a function to select a contact group using a 
scripted “filter” function and to select those filtered contact as a 
group to send a BCC. This function works perfectly integrated into any 
mail client and also in MailMate. So it opens up ANY contact or group 
you want to regularly BCC.


So my process is:
1. Select the Contacts you want to BCC first in Busy Contacts. Use a 
pre-built filter or just manually select them.
2. Once selected, send them to a BCC email from the Menu>File>Send Blind 
Email.
3. The email page is opened with the selected contact’s email address 
(first one in case of multiple emails) in the default email client app 
in any version of MacOS.

4. Type the email and send.

That’s my answer. I irregularly do a 70 member group email to a 
contact group as BCC (from among, in my case, thousands of potential 
contacts). Sounds like what you may be seeking. You can filter among a 
huge parameter of contact fields and/or attributes. You might want a 
free trial from [Busy Contacts](busymac.com).


Just my 2¢.

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On 1 Jul 2022, at 18:37, Randy Bush wrote:


when i select Bcc, it presents a list.  is there something i can do to
have the first entry in that select list be the From: address?

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Re: [MlMt] SpamSieve Question

2022-06-29 Thread Henry Seiden


All,

FYI, this is not an answer to using MM with SpamSieve, however I do have 
slightly off-topic suggestions and comments to two questions posed here 
about junk mail filtering:
1. Try contacting Benny directly posting suggestions to the address for 
that stating which version you use and requesting the suggestions you 
made here.
2. If you have a spare computer to use as a SpamSieve server for your 
IMAP (or MIME) accounts you can do as I have done pre-MM. My Junk filter 
running on Mail.app on MacMini M1 also serves as a net backup for local 
backup and two other computers.
3. You should be aware that SpamSieve is a scripting based application. 
It uses a different set up from MailMate (code-based). That has and 
continues to successfully service all my computers’ backups and all my 
accounts junk mail filtering very, very well. The developer of SpamSieve 
doesn’t support M-M, but does support his app standing alone on Mail.
4. [Michael Tsai’s developer 
support](https://c-command.com/spamsieve/) for SpamSieve and updates for 
updates with new versions of MacOS has been invaluable to keeping Mail, 
MacOS happy with SpamSieve. Highly recommended.


NB, Not a sales pitch for anything, just sharing some background and 
user info that may prove helpful to anyone looking for junk filtering in 
M-M and especially with incorporating SpamSieve. I have had continued 
success using this approach, it was recommended to me by Michael.


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 29 Jun 2022, at 2:41, Stephan Bösebeck wrote:


Hi,

I recently started using spamsieve and the results start to get quite 
good. I just have a "problem" with emails, that are marked as Junk by 
the server and moved in the Junk folder. Those are not evaluated by 
spamsieve and hence not "trained".


Is there a possibility to create a rule that takes all emails in one 
specific folder without a spamsieve score and generates one? I mean, 
in addition to the INBOX? and then a subsequent rule, if 
spamsieve-score is below e.g. 25 move it back to the INBOX?


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Re: [MlMt] Font options - Underline missing

2022-07-08 Thread Henry Seiden


John,

Thanks for that info and explanation.

I thought something had changed (new versions, updates to Markdown, 
etc.). I’m not desperate for Underline, just that it’s always been 
missing, thought there were options, but no. I use that function only 
occasionally.


FYI, if already rendered in a supporting app (Mail) the quality is 
displayed and sent by MM.


Other non-mail Mac apps are not HTML based and do have those options. 
That said, I can see why coding to HTML is needed for email.


FYI, I found a workaround for [Markdown, 
here](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44840416/how-to-make-a-word-underline-in-markdown). 
Also noted, a different Markdown is likely incompatible with M-M 
(Markdown-it.js) and does support it.


On Jul 8, 2022, at 11:54, John Cooper  
wrote:


Underline isn't available in Markdown, the styling engine that 
MailMate uses by default. If you really need to send underlined text 
(why?), you probably need to use an HTML-based email program such as 
Mail.


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[MlMt] Recent 1.14 Test Build 5903 and Contacts integration

2022-07-11 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Benny,

I have noticed in prior test builds that there is a problem with 
extracting email information into M-M for an email address in 
MailMate’s Composer, To:, CC:, BCC: headers, of those Contact entries 
sorted by Company. Just got and tried r5903.


Here’s an example:
1. A contact record is sorted by Company (the checkbox selected). There 
is also a Name and a Company in the entry.
2. In MailMate, in Composer you enter that name information to attempt 
to pull in the email of an addressee. Nothing is found. However, if you 
instead enter the Company Name, then all entries with that Company Name 
are found. Moreover the Company Name is treated as person’s name and 
the last part of the Company name is parsed first.
3. When the box is checked, typing in MailMate finds occurrences of 
Freron and MailMate. Attaching the contact card in question so you can 
see the issue and possibly duplicate it.
4. If the contact card has no Company (first) checkbox entry, then the 
name is found and the email address  will be found. And the email heard 
is properly populated and shown as above, “Name”  
with a dropdown to select from the emails in the contact.
5. If the Company first box is NOT checked, MailMate will find the entry 
and populate the email address either way (company or name).


So, is this the Apple bug in Contacts that you referred to in your notes 
about r5903? If so, then it’s still the same result in this build as 
it was before. If not, then I think this is a bug of a different sort, 
relating to searching within MailMate for an email contact address with 
the Company sorting checked in the entry. In my view the sorting of the 
view should have nothing to do with the data found. Please advise.



Respectfully,

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BEGIN:VCARD
VERSION:3.0
PRODID:-//BusyApps//BusyContacts 1.6.7//EN
FN:Freron Software Developers  of MailMate
N:;Benny;;;
ORG:Freron Software Developers  of MailMate
item1.EMAIL;TYPE=internet,pref:mailmate@lists.freron.com
item1.X-ABLabel:Email
REV:2022-01-23T19:39:15Z
UID:83c05c6b-a55f-4a61-b3b8-54e18cae9d52
X-ABShowAs:COMPANY
X-ACTIVITY-ALERT:type=call\,snd="system:Slow Rise"\,vib=
X-BUSYMAC-LOCAL-UID:83c05c6b-a55f-4a61-b3b8-54e18cae9d52
END:VCARD
BEGIN:VCARD
VERSION:3.0
PRODID:-//BusyApps//BusyContacts 1.6.7//EN
FN:Mailmate Freron
N:Nielsen;Benny;Kjaer;;
ORG:Mailmate Freron
TITLE:Developer -Sales
EMAIL;TYPE=work,internet,pref:mm-sa...@freron.com
REV:2022-07-11T11:08:46Z
UID:41CF55B2-A587-4266-9A72-F58A6508EC67
URL;TYPE=pref:freron.com
X-ABShowAs:COMPANY
X-BUSYMAC-LOCAL-UID:41CF55B2-A587-4266-9A72-F58A6508EC67
X-CREATED:2022-01-18T22:02:51Z
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[MlMt] Font options - Underline missing

2022-07-08 Thread Henry Seiden


Hello All,

Are there available options for font shortcuts that aren’t yet 
implemented like a shortcut for underline. MacOS shortcut ⌘+U works 
fine in Mail, but there is no working shortcut in MM r5902 using 
standard fonts (Times New Roman, Comic Sans MS, Helvetica, etc.).


The underline adjustment (in M-M Menu>Format) that option is missing, 
not shown, similarly, which explains that it isn’t working in a 
shortcut. Guessing the menu options follow what is set up in the CLI. 
Can it be reset?


Why?

Respectfully,

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Re: [MlMt] New status icons

2022-06-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Randall,

Screenshot of [my Status icons in the Messages 
window](https://www.dropbox.com/s/eprlcm89yd3xhgi/M-M%20Status%20Icons_2022-06-22%20at%2011.04.26.png?dl=0 
) and [on the Sidebar window 
portion](https://www.dropbox.com/s/rncpvpu98s5d6is/M-M%20Sidebar%20icons_2022-06-22%20at%2011.01.18.png?dl=0) 
as seen on my display (3008x1692 px). Note the text sizes.


Respectfully,

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On 22 Jun 2022, at 9:14, Randall Gellens wrote:

I updated to 58999 and the new status icons look gigantic. I'm using 
the three-pane view (mailboxes on left, table of contents on right, 
message view below). The column widths don't seem adjustable so I 
can't shrink the status column. Is there a way to switch to smaller 
icons?


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Re: [MlMt] Lines not wrapped in viewer

2022-06-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Randall,

I haven’t seen this wrapping issue in r5898 on  any of my received 
messages. However, I do remember seeing the same in Mail (Apple’s 
app). I use a similar display layout - sidebar and two view (the View 
menu  says it’s a Layout set for Preview at right, displaying html 
body parts).


My settings (Preferences>General) leaves the following UNCHECKED:
* Messages Folder>Indexed for Finder, Spotlight.
* Messages Folder>Custom location.
* Custom Key Bindings>Enable.

My settings in Composer are as shown [in the screen shot linked 
here](https://www.dropbox.com/s/y48b6knhtdzf2z1/M-M%20Composer%20Prefs_Screen%20Shot%202022-06-22%20at%2009.44.23.png?dl=0).

.
Today, I upgraded to r5899 and will report back on the changes you 
related on your following message shortly.


Respectfully,

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On 22 Jun 2022, at 9:11, Randall Gellens wrote:

I get a lot of mail where MM doesn't wrap the lines in the viewer, 
making the message very hard to read. I have to manually scroll right 
and left for each line.


The messages are multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html 
body parts, passed through a mailing list.


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Re: [MlMt] New status icons

2022-06-22 Thread Henry Seiden


Hi Randall,

In MM v1.14, both Test Builds, r5898 and r5899 show the column widths in 
the Message window adjustable and the icons everywhere normal looking to 
me.


May I suggest you try saving your settings, then removing and 
reinstalling the app and save your previous settings without having MM 
open? I have found this useful as a general cure-all, for settings gone 
awry. (There’s a How-to in the Help menu>Rebuild Database>How to 
transfer MailMate Settings…). I use this when installing MM on test 
builds of new MacOS as well as troubleshooting. Maybe Benny has other 
advice, but that has worked for me in the past.


Good luck.

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 22 Jun 2022, at 9:14, Randall Gellens wrote:

I updated to 58999 and the new status icons look gigantic. I'm using 
the three-pane view (mailboxes on left, table of contents on right, 
message view below). The column widths don't seem adjustable so I 
can't shrink the status column. Is there a way to switch to smaller 
icons?


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Re: [MlMt] 5900 first blush...

2022-06-24 Thread Henry Seiden


Lisa,

With you on that, after installing (migrating my settings), playing with 
r5900 a bit and its new developments. Tried so far on macOS Monterey 
12.4(21F79).


Soon to experiment with it on Ventura Public Beta 2.

Is there a version for iPad/iPhone?

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On 24 Jun 2022, at 7:16, MM_Arc wrote:

COL  GREAT !! the possibility of NO pagebreaks between 
messages !


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