Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
To those who kindly added their voice to this discussion, I also invite you to add to the ticket that I opened about it a while back: https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/3296-regression-text-color-not-inverting-when-selecting-an-item#ticket-3296-2 I have yet to see a response. Thanks. Pierre On 31 Jan 2024, at 8:54, Pierre Igot wrote: > Just want to confirm that the new system for coloring messages works just as > well as the old styles.plist-based one. In fact, in some respects it has more > flexibility and works better. > > HOWEVER, there is one glaring issue that remains unaddressed in recent > builds: when a coloured message is selected in a list, the selection > highlighting colour is your default “accent” colour (typically dark blue), > but MailMate does not INVERT the coloured text to white to make it readable > over the dark blue background. The result is that, if the text colour for the > message in the list happens to be a fairly dark colour, it becomes pretty > much unreadable when highlighted. The only dark-coloured messages that remain > readable when selected are those that are in BLACK. If the text colour of the > message is black, then MM inverts it to white when selected. For all other > colours, there’s no inversion. Only lighter text colours remain (somewhat) > readable over a dark blue background when selected. > > I have send an extensive post directly to Benny about this, with supporting > screen shots, explaining why I strongly believe that he should bring back > inversion for coloured messages as well, i.e. ignore the default accent > colour and use THE MESSAGE’S TEXT COLOUR as background for the highlighting > and invert the text itself to white. This used to be the case in order builds > of MM. Then at some point Benny reversed his decision and went back to using > the default accent colour for highlighting in the message list, regardless of > the text colour of the highlighted message, with no inversion of the text to > white in order to make is readable. > > I would really like that all those other MM users who use text colouring > (either in an older build via the hidden Styles.plist feature or in more > recent builds with the new smart-mailbox-based feature) indicate here how > they feel about this defective text inversion scheme that makes it coloured > messages hard to read when selected/highlighted. It might be a bit “slicker” > and “cleaner” to have the same accent colour for selection highlighting > everywhere in the message list, but it is at the expense of readability and > usability. I’d rather have a mishmash of different selection highlighting > colours based on the underlying colours of the selected messages, with proper > inversion of the text to white. I find the lack of readability of > non-inverted darker text over a dark selection highlighting colour background > much less “clean” and very inelegant and user-hostile. > > At the very least, Benny could bring back text inversion for selected > messages using their own colour as the selection highlighting colour as an > OPTION for those who use text colouring — which is now, after all, a fully > supported (no longer hidden) feature in the MM user interface. > > Anyone else agree? > > Thanks. > > Pierre > > > > On 31 Jan 2024, at 2:41, Sven Klages wrote: > >> Thank you Bill & Eric! >> >> Sounds good, I will give it a try :-) >> >> -Sven >> >> Am 30.01.24 um 23:58 schrieb Eric Sharakan via mailmate: >>> On 30 Jan 2024, at 17:33, Bill Cole wrote: >>> On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100) Sven Klages is rumored to have said: [...] > When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug > report, I do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … > did I get it right? Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart mailboxes. The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox. >>> >>> Right, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the >>> conditions you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color >>> submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in >>> Message List". Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages >>> in your smart mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they >>> reside. >>> >>> It's totally flexible and has been working great for me. >>> >>> -Eric >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > > -- > LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - > www.latext.com > BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Mastodon: @betalogue@toot.community > FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français -
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
The new color feature is great! Thank you to Henry Seiden for the detailed instructions. I too did not at first see the “Use color in message” option all the way at the bottom and was wondering why my messages weren’t getting colored. Benny, I’d like to suggest that it be made the default (not sure why you ***wouldn’t*** want that). Alternatively, at least place the option at the top of the menu where people will see it. Thanks! -- Chaim Kram cha...@umich.edu On 01 Feb 2024, at 8:39, Rob Russell wrote: On 31 Jan 2024, at 8:51, Henry Seiden wrote: Similarly select the option to “Use color in message” at the bottom of the colors in that menu. aha...the bit that I have been missing. Now to go an colour everything like a 6 year old... r___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
I use coloring in a slightly different manner : I show in attachment the Inbox, which I want to organise by topics. For each topic I attach a tag, then create a smart mailbox for each tag/topic, and apply color rules for each smart mailbox. Then I want to keep the mails corresponding to each topic grouped together : as it is impossible to sort by colours (at least I think), I attach a flag to each category (trying as much as possible to fit the flag color with the selected colouring, but this is not an obligation), and sort by flags. This results in the attached screen copy. Only small limitation : there are only 7 flags, so this limits to 7 topics. Alain PS : this looks a bit like a Thunderbird mailbox. On 30 Jan 2024, at 20:51, Henry Seiden wrote: Sven, Coloring of messages in the message window works great for me in every version since r6015 onwards. I believe recent changes have affected coloring, but here’s how I color messages by the mailbox and/or source. If you want to individually color messages or color by Subject or other parameters then I’m unsure if this method will work for you or if it’s what you seek: 1. Select Source mailbox or inbox you wish to color, 2. Adjust the coloring on the Source or Inbox by selecting the desired *color* from the drop down menu (CTL+select) pop-out menu. 3. Similarly select the option to “Use color in message” at the bottom of the colors in that menu. 4. Rinse and repeat above for all Source or other SmartMailboxes desired. 5. Check to see that contents are correctly colored. Attaching a sample of the colored messages for reference as they appear in All Messages. Note that all lines in each message are colored as viewed in the message window(s). Good luck. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://techworkspro.com__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!q7BNlB0JbnkkVg2eEu6r9tmiTwV85fh04TpiNof6uFHEcGc93nA4dD0MKlQQBoeKBBSEPrCSbOqqFq1E6g$ On 30 Jan 2024, at 13:34, Alan Dobkin wrote: Hi Sven, Support for this feature changed several months ago in the test releases. There was some discussion about it on the mailing list here. Refer to the resolution in my bug report here: Colored Messages not working in recent test builds https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/3267__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!q7BNlB0JbnkkVg2eEu6r9tmiTwV85fh04TpiNof6uFHEcGc93nA4dD0MKlQQBoeKBBSEPrCSbOpevmrpFw$ Alan On 1/30/2024 1:23 PM, Sven Klages wrote: I am using version 1.14 (6019, testing). ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!q7BNlB0JbnkkVg2eEu6r9tmiTwV85fh04TpiNof6uFHEcGc93nA4dD0MKlQQBoeKBBSEPrCSbOoBr7KQKA$___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!q7BNlB0JbnkkVg2eEu6r9tmiTwV85fh04TpiNof6uFHEcGc93nA4dD0MKlQQBoeKBBSEPrCSbOoBr7KQKA$___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
I would also like to see one of these changes. I currently use just one color in addition to black, and had a hard time finding one that I could read both highlighted and unhighlighted. Mike On 31 Jan 2024, at 17:07, Sven Klages wrote: > I totally agree :-) > > On 31 Jan 2024, at 13:54, Pierre Igot wrote: >> I would really like that all those other MM users who use text colouring >> (either in an older build via the hidden Styles.plist feature or in more >> recent builds with the new smart-mailbox-based feature) indicate here how >> they feel about this defective text inversion scheme that makes it coloured >> messages hard to read when selected/highlighted. It might be a bit “slicker” >> and “cleaner” to have the same accent colour for selection highlighting >> everywhere in the message list, but it is at the expense of readability and >> usability. I’d rather have a mishmash of different selection highlighting >> colours based on the underlying colours of the selected messages, with >> proper inversion of the text to white. I find the lack of readability of >> non-inverted darker text over a dark selection highlighting colour >> background much less “clean” and very inelegant and user-hostile. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
I totally agree :-) On 31 Jan 2024, at 13:54, Pierre Igot wrote: > I would really like that all those other MM users who use text colouring > (either in an older build via the hidden Styles.plist feature or in more > recent builds with the new smart-mailbox-based feature) indicate here how > they feel about this defective text inversion scheme that makes it coloured > messages hard to read when selected/highlighted. It might be a bit “slicker” > and “cleaner” to have the same accent colour for selection highlighting > everywhere in the message list, but it is at the expense of readability and > usability. I’d rather have a mishmash of different selection highlighting > colours based on the underlying colours of the selected messages, with proper > inversion of the text to white. I find the lack of readability of > non-inverted darker text over a dark selection highlighting colour background > much less “clean” and very inelegant and user-hostile. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
On 31 Jan 2024, at 8:51, Henry Seiden wrote: Similarly select the option to “Use color in message” at the bottom of the colors in that menu. aha...the bit that I have been missing. Now to go an colour everything like a 6 year old... r___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
Sven, Coloring of messages in the message window works great for me in every version since r6015 onwards. I believe recent changes have affected coloring, but here’s how I color messages by the mailbox and/or source. If you want to individually color messages or color by Subject or other parameters then I’m unsure if this method will work for you or if it’s what you seek: 1. Select Source mailbox or inbox you wish to color, 2. Adjust the coloring on the Source or Inbox by selecting the desired *color* from the drop down menu (CTL+select) pop-out menu. 3. Similarly select the option to “Use color in message” at the bottom of the colors in that menu. 4. Rinse and repeat above for all Source or other SmartMailboxes desired. 5. Check to see that contents are correctly colored. Attaching a sample of the colored messages for reference as they appear in All Messages. Note that all lines in each message are colored as viewed in the message window(s). Good luck. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 30 Jan 2024, at 13:34, Alan Dobkin wrote: Hi Sven, Support for this feature changed several months ago in the test releases. There was some discussion about it on the mailing list here. Refer to the resolution in my bug report here: Colored Messages not working in recent test builds https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/3267 Alan On 1/30/2024 1:23 PM, Sven Klages wrote: I am using version 1.14 (6019, testing). ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
I agree with Pierre that this is a problem. I continue to use colored messages but it’s annoying not to be able to read the subject, etc., when the cursor is on that message. Pierre Igot said: > HOWEVER, there is one glaring issue that remains unaddressed in recent > builds: when a coloured message is selected in a list, the selection > highlighting colour is your default “accent” colour (typically dark blue), > but MailMate does not INVERT the coloured text to white to make it readable > over the dark blue background. The result is that, if the text colour for the > message in the list happens to be a fairly dark colour, it becomes pretty > much unreadable when highlighted. Lisa Sieverts 603-762-0235 l...@lisasieverts.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
On 2024-01-31 at 07:54:38 UTC-0500 (Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:54:38 -0400) Pierre Igot is rumored to have said: Just want to confirm that the new system for coloring messages works just as well as the old styles.plist-based one. In fact, in some respects it has more flexibility and works better. The best part of it is that it does not require the creation and maintenance of a bespoke PList, but rather operates within the app with a proper UI. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
Just want to confirm that the new system for coloring messages works just as well as the old styles.plist-based one. In fact, in some respects it has more flexibility and works better. HOWEVER, there is one glaring issue that remains unaddressed in recent builds: when a coloured message is selected in a list, the selection highlighting colour is your default “accent” colour (typically dark blue), but MailMate does not INVERT the coloured text to white to make it readable over the dark blue background. The result is that, if the text colour for the message in the list happens to be a fairly dark colour, it becomes pretty much unreadable when highlighted. The only dark-coloured messages that remain readable when selected are those that are in BLACK. If the text colour of the message is black, then MM inverts it to white when selected. For all other colours, there’s no inversion. Only lighter text colours remain (somewhat) readable over a dark blue background when selected. I have send an extensive post directly to Benny about this, with supporting screen shots, explaining why I strongly believe that he should bring back inversion for coloured messages as well, i.e. ignore the default accent colour and use THE MESSAGE’S TEXT COLOUR as background for the highlighting and invert the text itself to white. This used to be the case in order builds of MM. Then at some point Benny reversed his decision and went back to using the default accent colour for highlighting in the message list, regardless of the text colour of the highlighted message, with no inversion of the text to white in order to make is readable. I would really like that all those other MM users who use text colouring (either in an older build via the hidden Styles.plist feature or in more recent builds with the new smart-mailbox-based feature) indicate here how they feel about this defective text inversion scheme that makes it coloured messages hard to read when selected/highlighted. It might be a bit “slicker” and “cleaner” to have the same accent colour for selection highlighting everywhere in the message list, but it is at the expense of readability and usability. I’d rather have a mishmash of different selection highlighting colours based on the underlying colours of the selected messages, with proper inversion of the text to white. I find the lack of readability of non-inverted darker text over a dark selection highlighting colour background much less “clean” and very inelegant and user-hostile. At the very least, Benny could bring back text inversion for selected messages using their own colour as the selection highlighting colour as an OPTION for those who use text colouring — which is now, after all, a fully supported (no longer hidden) feature in the MM user interface. Anyone else agree? Thanks. Pierre On 31 Jan 2024, at 2:41, Sven Klages wrote: > Thank you Bill & Eric! > > Sounds good, I will give it a try :-) > > -Sven > > Am 30.01.24 um 23:58 schrieb Eric Sharakan via mailmate: >> On 30 Jan 2024, at 17:33, Bill Cole wrote: >> >>> On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100) >>> Sven Klages >>> is rumored to have said: >>> >>> [...] When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, I do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get it right? >>> >>> Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart >>> mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart >>> mailboxes. The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox. >> >> Right, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the >> conditions you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color >> submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in >> Message List". Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages in >> your smart mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they reside. >> >> It's totally flexible and has been working great for me. >> >> -Eric >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- LATEXT: Literature, music and visuals / Littérature, musique et graphisme - www.latext.com BETALOGUE: Blog - www.betalogue.com | Mastodon: @betalogue@toot.community FAUX AMIS : Site sur les faux amis anglais-français - www.fauxamis.fr | Mastodon: @pierre_igot@mastodon.social ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
Thank you Bill & Eric! Sounds good, I will give it a try :-) -Sven Am 30.01.24 um 23:58 schrieb Eric Sharakan via mailmate: On 30 Jan 2024, at 17:33, Bill Cole wrote: On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100) Sven Klages is rumored to have said: [...] When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, I do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get it right? Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart mailboxes. The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox. Right, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the conditions you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in Message List". Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages in your smart mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they reside. It's totally flexible and has been working great for me. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
On 30 Jan 2024, at 17:33, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100) > Sven Klages > is rumored to have said: > > [...] >> When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, I >> do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get it >> right? > > Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart > mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart mailboxes. > The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox. Right, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the conditions you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in Message List". Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages in your smart mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they reside. It's totally flexible and has been working great for me. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100) Sven Klages is rumored to have said: [...] > When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, I > do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get it > right? Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart mailboxes. The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
Hi Alan, thanks for your blazing fast reply :-) On 30 Jan 2024, at 19:34, Alan Dobkin wrote: > Hi Sven, > > Support for this feature changed several months ago in the test releases. > There was some discussion about it on the mailing list here. Refer to the > resolution in my bug report here: > > Colored Messages not working in recent test builds > https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/3267 Well, that’s a bit disappointing (for me) .. Smart mailboxes is not a solution (as far as I understood the comments). In a single (smart) mailbox I’d like to see differently coloured messages (according to their tags or to my rules). When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, I do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get it right? best, Sven > On 1/30/2024 1:23 PM, Sven Klages wrote: >> I am using version 1.14 (6019, testing). > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
Hi Sven, Support for this feature changed several months ago in the test releases. There was some discussion about it on the mailing list here. Refer to the resolution in my bug report here: Colored Messages not working in recent test builds https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/3267 Alan On 1/30/2024 1:23 PM, Sven Klages wrote: > I am using version 1.14 (6019, testing). ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored
Dear All,
I am using version 1.14 (6019, testing).
In our workgroup we are using a shared IMAP account, most of us with
Thunderbird (and its color tags).
That’s fine, I can display the TB tags in MM.
Now I found https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences ("Colored
Messages") .. that’s really cool.
So I enabled the feature:
```
# set
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessageColorsEnabled -bool YES
# check
defaults read com.freron.MailMate | grep MmMessageColorsEnabled
MmMessageColorsEnabled = 1;
```
I also created `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Styles.plist`
just as described with the following (test) content (with MM being
closed).
```
{
styles = (
{
type = keyword;
keyword = '01.wichtig';
color = "#FF";
fontStyle = "bold"; // boldAndItalic can also be used
},
{
type = keyword;
keyword = '04.comp';
color = "#1080CE";
},
{
type = keyword;
keyword = '\\Flagged';
color = "#1080CE";
fontStyle = "italic"; // boldAndItalic can also be used
}
);
}
```
’01.wichtig’ and ’04.comp’ do exist and are shown in "Tags" and
"Raw Tags".
But none of these styles is applied .. it seems that the file is not
even read.
I introduced errors to trigger a warning or so, but simply nothing
happens.
Any ideas what I am doing wrong is highly appreciated :-)
best,
Sven
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