Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-16 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 11 Jan 2019, at 20:58, Randall Gellens wrote: On 11 Jan 2019, at 7:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: The last one is maybe the most likely one, but given the complexity of the current IMAP implementation (in order to handle all kinds of issues) I kind of doubt that it's possible. A proxy

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-14 Thread davecc0000
> On Jan 14, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Sam Hathaway wrote: > > Not necessarily. But you seem dead set against anything but the status quo so > I give up. It’s not a competition (at least to me), it’s a discussion. Dave ___ mailmate mailing list

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-14 Thread Sam Hathaway
On 11 Jan 2019, at 16:14, davecc wrote: On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Sam Hathaway wrote: If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of kludging around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations. Imagine if, instead of each MUA author having to develop, test, and

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-14 Thread Mike Brasch
On 11 Jan 2019, at 22:14, davecc wrote: On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Sam Hathaway wrote: If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of kludging around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations. Imagine if, instead of each MUA author having to develop, test,

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread davecc0000
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Sam Hathaway wrote: > > If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of kludging > around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations. Imagine if, instead > of each MUA author having to develop, test, and maintain dozens of ugly > hacks,

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread davecc0000
> As I said earlier, while JMAP might be very cool, it doesn't help the core > problem of widely variant IMAP server behavior; instead, it just introduces > yet more variants. > > Randall Amen. Well put. Dave ___ mailmate mailing list

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread Sam Hathaway
I guess we’ll have to wait and see how things pan out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ On 11 Jan 2019, at 15:21, Randall Gellens wrote: On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:10, Sam Hathaway wrote: On 11 Jan 2019, at 14:58, Randall Gellens wrote: An IMAP-JMAP proxy just moves the complexity of dealing with the myriad of IMAP

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread Randall Gellens
On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:10, Sam Hathaway wrote: On 11 Jan 2019, at 14:58, Randall Gellens wrote: An IMAP-JMAP proxy just moves the complexity of dealing with the myriad of IMAP servers from core MailMate to an embedded proxy. I don't see it providing that much help, while it would undoubtedly

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread Sam Hathaway
On 11 Jan 2019, at 14:58, Randall Gellens wrote: An IMAP-JMAP proxy just moves the complexity of dealing with the myriad of IMAP servers from core MailMate to an embedded proxy. I don't see it providing that much help, while it would undoubtedly introduce its own set of problems. If

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread Randall Gellens
On 11 Jan 2019, at 7:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 28 Dec 2018, at 19:12, Bill Cole wrote: With that said, I HOPE Benny resists the urge to implement JMAP in MailMate... It's actually easy to resist, because I have very little to gain from implementing it. Users would still require

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread Sam Hathaway
On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: The last one is maybe the most likely one, but given the complexity of the current IMAP implementation (in order to handle all kinds of issues) I kind of doubt that it's possible. A proxy which only works well with some IMAP servers is

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2019-01-11 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 28 Dec 2018, at 19:12, Bill Cole wrote: With that said, I HOPE Benny resists the urge to implement JMAP in MailMate... It's actually easy to resist, because I have very little to gain from implementing it. Users would still require MailMate to work with all kinds of IMAP servers

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2018-12-29 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 30 Dec 2018, at 1:58, Randall Gellens wrote: > the biggest problem with IMAP is the huge variability among servers. Adding > yet another protocol to the mix will only make that problem worse. +1 > There have been attempts over the years to raise the bar for IMAP server > compatibility by

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2018-12-29 Thread Randall Gellens
On 29 Dec 2018, at 13:42, Mike Brasch wrote: On 29 Dec 2018, at 20:09, Randall Gellens wrote: I'm curious, why are you asking for JMAP support in MailMate? Read the 2nd link. It will probably explain it better than I could. :) And maybe its implementation could help MailMate/Benny.

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2018-12-29 Thread Mike Brasch
On 29 Dec 2018, at 20:09, Randall Gellens wrote: > I'm curious, why are you asking for JMAP support in MailMate? Read the 2nd link. It will probably explain it better than I could. :) And maybe its implementation could help MailMate/Benny. -- With kind regards Mike

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2018-12-29 Thread Randall Gellens
I'm curious, why are you asking for JMAP support in MailMate? --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2018-12-28 Thread Bill Cole
On 28 Dec 2018, at 6:56, Mike Brasch wrote: Moin moin, I've just been reading: - https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/ - https://jmap.io - https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jmap/about/ I asked for it long time ago. Maybe it's more interesting now? Somewhat. At

Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

2018-12-28 Thread Sam Hathaway
I’d love to hear Benny’s thoughts about this protocol. (It all sounds great to me, but then again I’ve never written an IMAP client!) -sam On 28 Dec 2018, at 6:56, Mike Brasch wrote: Moin moin, I've just been reading: - https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/ -

[MlMt] JMAP support

2018-12-28 Thread Mike Brasch
Moin moin, I've just been reading: - https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/ - https://jmap.io - https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jmap/about/ I asked for it long time ago. Maybe it's more interesting now? -- With kind regards Mike