Re: [MlMt] MailMate's Only Seeing a Fraction of My Mail

2015-05-13 Thread Thomas Floeren

 On 13 May 2015, at 24:16, jimleff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What if I get myself a non-gmail email account, and have all future gmail 
 forward there


I tried this in the past. I was forwarding all the gmail accounts I had 
accumulated over time to an iCloud address, but somehow this never worked 
reliably. Every now and then, when I checked the gmail boxes directly, there 
were mails stuck in there, which didn’t get forwarded.

I ended up forwarding all the gmail accounts to one gmail account. This did 
(and still does) work reliably. 

I don’t know, but I have the feeling that they are doing that on purpose, maybe 
to avoid that people ‘misuse’ their mail boxes as dedicated spam inboxes. (But 
sincerely, isn’t that the purpose of gmail boxes? ;-)

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate's Only Seeing a Fraction of My Mail

2015-05-13 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 13 May 2015, at 0:16, jimleff...@gmail.com wrote:

I have an idea that’s either clever or naive. What if I get myself a 
non-gmail email account, and have all future gmail forward there,


That would work. You can still use the SMTP server of Gmail (and your 
Gmail address) although with the side-effect of Google putting a copy of 
the sent emails in the Gmail sent mailbox (a non-standard “feature” 
of Gmail).



and also have gmail refer all previous mail there via POP...


Not sure what you mean by that, but you can certainly move existing 
emails from the Gmail IMAP account to your alternative IMAP account 
using MailMate (and then remove the Gmail account from MailMate).


(One caveat when using forwarding is that you cannot see when/if Gmail 
is down.)


For inspiration: 
http://blog.freron.com/2013/alternative-email-providers/


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Re: [MlMt] MailMate's Only Seeing a Fraction of My Mail

2015-05-12 Thread jimleff...@gmail.com
Benny, 
Thanks for the reply.  I can imagine the headache Google’s craziness must cause 
you as a dev!

I have an idea that’s either clever or naive. What if I get myself a non-gmail 
email account, and have all future gmail forward there, and also have gmail 
refer all previous mail there via POP...and then use THAT address with MailMate?

Gmail seems to be good about forwarding/downloading to other addresses than it 
is about accommodating email clients, so I’m hoping this strategy might play to 
Google's strength.



Note that MailMate currently only counts days of active use (sending messages) 
which appears to provide plenty of time for most trial users. 
I didn’t realize that. Super smart. I should be fine. Thanks.



JIM



On 12 May 2015, at 3:19, jimleff...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have 94,349 emails in my gmail account, but MailMate thinks I only 
 have 1132. How can I get MailMate to see all my mail?

The short answer is to enable “[Gmail]/All Mail” in the IMAP account 
settings (via “Edit Subscriptions”, but unfortunately it is more or 
less required that you understand how Gmail works compared to regular 
IMAP accounts.

Currently, the best resources for that is [the 
manual](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup#gmail) and a [blog 
post](http://blog.freron.com/2013/mavericks-gmail-apple-mail-and-mailmate/).

In short, the problem with “[Gmail]/All Mail” is that it also 
contains emails found in other mailboxes including the Inbox and sent 
messages (but not junk/trash). MailMate tries to hide this fact by 
hiding any messages in “[Gmail]/All Mail” which already exist in 
some other mailbox. I believe this works, but I'm still worried about 
its performance which is why it's not enabled by default.

A Gmail account with 100K messages is relatively big. Note that it could 
take a while to synchronize the account -- you might even run into the 
problem of Google throttling your connection (depending on the average 
message size).

 (Also, Benny, if you’re reading along: I downloaded Mailmate a few 
 weeks ago, but am only now getting around to checking it out. Is there 
 any way to extend the demo period?)

If there was then I wouldn't state it on a public mailing list ;-) Note 
that MailMate currently only counts days of active use (sending 
messages) which appears to provide plenty of time for most trial users. 
In fact, I'm some times contacted by users thinking they have lost their 
purchased license key when in fact they never actually bought one :-)

But let me know by direct email if you need a longer trial period.

Thanks for trying out MailMate.

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate's Only Seeing a Fraction of My Mail

2015-05-12 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 12 May 2015, at 3:19, jimleff...@gmail.com wrote:

I have 94,349 emails in my gmail account, but MailMate thinks I only 
have 1132. How can I get MailMate to see all my mail?


The short answer is to enable “[Gmail]/All Mail” in the IMAP account 
settings (via “Edit Subscriptions”, but unfortunately it is more or 
less required that you understand how Gmail works compared to regular 
IMAP accounts.


Currently, the best resources for that is [the 
manual](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup#gmail) and a [blog 
post](http://blog.freron.com/2013/mavericks-gmail-apple-mail-and-mailmate/).


In short, the problem with “[Gmail]/All Mail” is that it also 
contains emails found in other mailboxes including the Inbox and sent 
messages (but not junk/trash). MailMate tries to hide this fact by 
hiding any messages in “[Gmail]/All Mail” which already exist in 
some other mailbox. I believe this works, but I'm still worried about 
its performance which is why it's not enabled by default.


A Gmail account with 100K messages is relatively big. Note that it could 
take a while to synchronize the account -- you might even run into the 
problem of Google throttling your connection (depending on the average 
message size).


(Also, Benny, if you’re reading along: I downloaded Mailmate a few 
weeks ago, but am only now getting around to checking it out. Is there 
any way to extend the demo period?)


If there was then I wouldn't state it on a public mailing list ;-) Note 
that MailMate currently only counts days of active use (sending 
messages) which appears to provide plenty of time for most trial users. 
In fact, I'm some times contacted by users thinking they have lost their 
purchased license key when in fact they never actually bought one :-)


But let me know by direct email if you need a longer trial period.

Thanks for trying out MailMate.

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