Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
I like the idea of being able to specify the character via defaults. Those who do not want this feature could enter the normal at-sign there, thus no need for on-off switch. I would probably use a gat red exclamation mark that I seem to recall seeing somewhere among icons when searching for icons for tags. On 21 Feb 2019, at 16:06, Michael Nietzold wrote: 1) there should be an option to switch of. Or add option with text or regex to exclude some email from check 2) instead of replace the sign: add an red "!" In front and Mark the email red 3) add an ToolTip text to explain the skull Von meinem iDingens gesendet... Am 21.02.2019 um 16:01 schrieb Sam Hathaway : Not sure if you’re interested in suggestions for alternate ways to call this out, but a few things occurred to me: You could keep the at-sign but style it differently: perhaps red and underlined would stand out enough without being too obnoxious. The ⛔️ or or ☢️ emoji are round like the at-sign and indicate danger. Perhaps the checks used to decide to call out an at-sign could be a little more stringent. For example, a leading at-sign (some of you may recognize @lbutlr from another list) shouldn’t need to be called out. Same with a trailing at-sign. Personally I love the little skulls but making the character used configurable via defaults would be lovely. I think I’d probably choose or . Thanks for all your work on MailMate! -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
1) there should be an option to switch of. Or add option with text or regex to exclude some email from check 2) instead of replace the sign: add an red "!" In front and Mark the email red 3) add an ToolTip text to explain the skull Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 21.02.2019 um 16:01 schrieb Sam Hathaway : > > Not sure if you’re interested in suggestions for alternate ways to call this > out, but a few things occurred to me: > > You could keep the at-sign but style it differently: perhaps red and > underlined would stand out enough without being too obnoxious. > > The ⛔️ or or ☢️ emoji are round like the at-sign and indicate danger. > > Perhaps the checks used to decide to call out an at-sign could be a little > more stringent. For example, a leading at-sign (some of you may recognize > @lbutlr from another list) shouldn’t need to be called out. Same with a > trailing at-sign. > > Personally I love the little skulls but making the character used > configurable via defaults would be lovely. I think I’d probably choose or . > > Thanks for all your work on MailMate! > -sam > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
Not sure if you’re interested in suggestions for alternate ways to call this out, but a few things occurred to me: * You could keep the at-sign but style it differently: perhaps red and underlined would stand out enough without being too obnoxious. * The ⛔️ or or ☢️ emoji are round like the at-sign and indicate danger. * Perhaps the checks used to decide to call out an at-sign could be a little more stringent. For example, a leading at-sign (some of you may recognize `@lbutlr` from another list) shouldn’t need to be called out. Same with a trailing at-sign. * Personally I love the little skulls but making the character used configurable via `defaults` would be lovely. I think I’d probably choose or . Thanks for all your work on MailMate! -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
On 21 Feb 2019, at 15:40, mailm...@lists.erikmh.org wrote: Yes, whitelisting would be very good — perhaps at both the address and even at the domain level. I have several clients using MailMate who love it greatly — but the skull at first really creeped them out, and now it just annoys them because they happen to deal regularly with correspondents whose email names *by corporate policy* are their own email addresses: rob...@example.com It shouldn't happen when they are exact matches, but a small difference would do it. Blech, to be sure! What an awful idea! But apparently it’s relatively common. And it’s MailMate that gets the blame, at least in my clients’ minds. Noted. Anyway, being able to suppress the warnings for all of (say) example.com would be very handy for folks who have to deal with such organizations. Noted. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
I forget why I see false positives (something with the way mailing lists are handled in our company IIRC), but having a whitelist for those addresses would be great. Thanks. -Eric On 21 Feb 2019, at 8:44, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:14, Eric Sharakan wrote: I found the graphic both creepy I'm getting quite a lot of feedback on this. Also from people finding it more than just creepy. It's already on my list to find a different approach (and not just a different symbol since the real problem here is that there's no explanation when it happens). For the record, to me it's just a cartoonish symbol and I never really considered that anyone would find it creepy or worse -- in that case I would not have used it. and sometimes shown incorrectly It is better with false positives than false negatives for spoofing attempts. It would be very hard to improve it to be smarter than simply looking for the use of `@`. But I need to add some way for the user to “whitelist” names. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:14, Eric Sharakan wrote: I found the graphic both creepy I'm getting quite a lot of feedback on this. Also from people finding it more than just creepy. It's already on my list to find a different approach (and not just a different symbol since the real problem here is that there's no explanation when it happens). For the record, to me it's just a cartoonish symbol and I never really considered that anyone would find it creepy or worse -- in that case I would not have used it. and sometimes shown incorrectly It is better with false positives than false negatives for spoofing attempts. It would be very hard to improve it to be smarter than simply looking for the use of `@`. But I need to add some way for the user to “whitelist” names. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
Randy Bush wrote (at 21:19 on 16 Feb 2019): >> I suggest another graphic, something less... creepy. > > it's telling you about something creepy Thanks, dude, we get it. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
> I suggest another graphic, something less... creepy. it's telling you about something creepy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
If would be better if the email is marked read or yellow woth a red mark to show the problem better And it should be only red if the email not match the original email... Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 16.02.2019 um 17:02 schrieb John Cooper : > > Eric Sharakan wrote (at 6:14 on 16 Feb 2019): > >> I found the graphic both creepy and sometimes shown incorrectly so I >> disabled it via this terminal command: >> >> defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmNospoofSymbolDisabled -bool YES >> >> -Eric >> >> On Feb 16, 2019 at 02:01:24 EST, Dave C wrote: >> >> I suggest another graphic, something less... creepy. > > Yes, I'm a trifle embarrassed to be bothered, but I find the graphic > unnerving as well. Eric, thanks for the terminal command. > > John > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
Eric Sharakan wrote (at 6:14 on 16 Feb 2019): I found the graphic both creepy and sometimes shown incorrectly so I disabled it via this terminal command: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmNospoofSymbolDisabled -bool YES -Eric On Feb 16, 2019 at 02:01:24 EST, Dave C wrote: I suggest another graphic, something less... creepy. Yes, I'm a trifle embarrassed to be bothered, but I find the graphic unnerving as well. Eric, thanks for the terminal command. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
Sherif Soliman wrote (at 22:58 on 15 Feb 2019): This is something that MailMate does to help users detect @ symbols in the name part of an address header, which is one simple pattern of email spoofing. This blog post by Benny explains more: https://blog.freron.com/2017/email-spoofing/ Thank you, Sherif, for finding and linking to the blog post! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
I found the graphic both creepy and sometimes shown incorrectly so I disabled it via this terminal command: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmNospoofSymbolDisabled -bool YES -Eric On Feb 16, 2019 at 02:01:24 EST, Dave C wrote: I suggest another graphic, something less... creepy. Dave > What's with the skulls that MailMate displays in the return addresses of some > messages? > > > > I've viewed the raw messages to try to figure out what prompts this kind of > display, but I only see an @ symbol. > > This is something that MailMate does to help users detect @ symbols in the > name part of an address header, which is one simple pattern of email > spoofing. This blog post by Benny explains more: > > https://blog.freron.com/2017/email-spoofing/ > > Quoting from the post: > > In the most recent test release of MailMate I’ve added the following > improvement: Whenever the name part of an address header contains a @ then > it’s replaced with a skull (). That should at least make the user aware of > simple attempts to spoof an address header. > > Sherif > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
I suggest another graphic, something less... creepy. Dave > What's with the skulls that MailMate displays in the return addresses of some > messages? > > > > I've viewed the raw messages to try to figure out what prompts this kind of > display, but I only see an @ symbol. > > This is something that MailMate does to help users detect @ symbols in the > name part of an address header, which is one simple pattern of email > spoofing. This blog post by Benny explains more: > > https://blog.freron.com/2017/email-spoofing/ > > Quoting from the post: > > In the most recent test release of MailMate I’ve added the following > improvement: Whenever the name part of an address header contains a @ then > it’s replaced with a skull (). That should at least make the user aware of > simple attempts to spoof an address header. > > Sherif > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
On 15 Feb 2019, at 20:45, John Cooper wrote: What's with the skulls that MailMate displays in the return addresses of some messages?  I've viewed the raw messages to try to figure out what prompts this kind of display, but I only see an @ symbol. This is something that MailMate does to help users detect @ symbols in the name part of an address header, which is one simple pattern of email spoofing. This blog post by Benny explains more: https://blog.freron.com/2017/email-spoofing/ Quoting from the post: In the most recent test release of MailMate I’ve added the following improvement: Whenever the name part of an address header contains a @ then it’s replaced with a skull (). That should at least make the user aware of simple attempts to spoof an address header. Sherif___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?
Oh, I get that too, when I send out messages through my university online content management system (Blackboard, I believe). -- Sherman On 15 Feb 2019, at 21:45, John Cooper wrote: What's with the skulls that MailMate displays in the return addresses of some messages?  I've viewed the raw messages to try to figure out what prompts this kind of display, but I only see an @ symbol.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
