Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2023-01-18 at 00:16:53 UTC-0500 (Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:16:53 -0500) John Covici via mailop is rumored to have said: hmmm, I have one for covici.com -- does this not cover the subdomain? No. I don't even think my registrar can have an spf for a subdomain. That would be remarkably weak on

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread John Covici via mailop
hmmm, I have one for covici.com -- does this not cover the subdomain? I don't even think my registrar can have an spf for a subdomain. On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 21:08:18 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > > One very obvious one I hit right away. You seem to be sending > from @ccs.covici.com,

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Carsten Schiefner via mailop
Thanks, Jarland - excellent pointer! -Original Message- From: Jarland Donnell via mailop To: Mailop Sent: Mi., 18 Jan. 2023 0:31 Subject: Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam [...] My first instinct in your position would be to use something like mail-tester.com to get

Re: [mailop] Using cloud hosts for MX (not SMTP)

2023-01-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
Though it's possible that you may see this more with governments and such, I've not noticed that anyone significant blocks their own traffic outbound to OVH, except for a couple of military contractors (which isn't my definition of significant to any average person). If they block anything

[mailop] Using cloud hosts for MX (not SMTP)

2023-01-17 Thread Alberto Abrao via mailop
Hello, first message to this list. I have been lurking for a while, and I learned a lot here. Thank you. I operate a personal e-mail server, and, as soon as I started self-hosting, I requested a static IP from my ISP, moving records as I changed to a different provider. During the move, I

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
One very obvious one I hit right away. You seem to be sending from @ccs.covici.com, and it has no SPF record: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#TXT/ccs.covici.com A good, solid SPF record is a bare minimum these days. Google is requiring it more than ever, and while the message they're giving you

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
You visit mail-tester.com, copy the email address, send an email to it, and then wait about 15-30 seconds and click the button. It'll give you an overview. It's not perfect, but if your email has some very significant, avoidable problems it's an easy way to identify a few common ones. On

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread John Covici via mailop
OK, well, now I can't send even to a single gmail address. What is mail-tester.com --I have never used it? Is it a website? On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 18:20:09 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > > On 2023-01-17 17:06, John Covici via mailop wrote: > > Still broke for me. > > I believe your

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2023-01-17 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
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Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
On 2023-01-17 17:06, John Covici via mailop wrote: Still broke for me. I believe your issue was different from the one in this thread and best summarized by your message in that separate thread: On 2023-01-17 10:31, John Covici via mailop wrote: Hi. For some reason this morning, I am

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread John Covici via mailop
Still broke for me. On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:22:02 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > > Just a +1 report for the sake of data. The only legitimate emails > I have in my spam folder at Gmail are from Inno Supps and > healthcare.gov. Inno Supps I get because of their products and, >

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
Just a +1 report for the sake of data. The only legitimate emails I have in my spam folder at Gmail are from Inno Supps and healthcare.gov. Inno Supps I get because of their products and, therefore, their language is quite similar to standard spam campaigns. Healthcare.gov I get because,

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jeff via mailop
PPE has replied and stated the issue is resolved >From our tests this appears to be correct - FYI On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 3:10 PM Jeff wrote: > For us it is PPE customers to Google (even if the sender is on Google and > the message originates from google, then goes to PPE it is still getting >

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jeff via mailop
For us it is PPE customers to Google (even if the sender is on Google and the message originates from google, then goes to PPE it is still getting marked as spam) On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 11:09 AM Robert Schoneman via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > We have emails going to Spam which

Re: [mailop] problem sending messages to gmail

2023-01-17 Thread John Covici via mailop
Still getting the problem -- I could not even send to my own gmail account! On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:59:28 -0500, Paul Gregg via mailop wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 11:31:22AM -0500, John Covici via mailop wrote: > > Hi. For some reason this morning, I am having problems sending to > >

Re: [mailop] problem sending messages to gmail

2023-01-17 Thread Paul Gregg via mailop
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 11:31:22AM -0500, John Covici via mailop wrote: > Hi. For some reason this morning, I am having problems sending to > gmail addresses. I get the following error for each: > > <<< 550-5.7.1 [166.84.7.93 12] Our system has detected that this > message is > <<<

[mailop] problem sending messages to gmail

2023-01-17 Thread John Covici via mailop
Hi. For some reason this morning, I am having problems sending to gmail addresses. I get the following error for each: <<< 550-5.7.1 [166.84.7.93 12] Our system has detected that this message is <<< 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, <<<

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Robert Schoneman via mailop
We have emails going to Spam which originate from O365/PPE. Separately we have emails which are now being categorized as updates which previously were not. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. From: mailop On Behalf Of Mark Alley via mailop Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 10:48 AM To:

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Mark Alley via mailop
Sorry - categories*, not labels. On 1/17/2023 9:43 AM, Mark Alley wrote: The labels in Gmail/workspace aren't the same as spam, they are part of the Inbox. If you have the user turn off labels, you will see them still in the inbox as expected. On 1/17/2023 9:32 AM, Robert Schoneman via

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Mark Alley via mailop
The labels in Gmail/workspace aren't the same as spam, they are part of the Inbox. If you have the user turn off labels, you will see them still in the inbox as expected. On 1/17/2023 9:32 AM, Robert Schoneman via mailop wrote: Our outbound email from O365 through PPE to Gmail and Google

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Robert Schoneman via mailop
Our outbound email from O365 through PPE to Gmail and Google Workspace is going to Spam. "Show Original" indicates pass on all of SPF, DKIM, DMARC. Emails that are nothing but text are going to Spam along with emails containing links and/or attachments. We got the first user ticket about this

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Gellner, Oliver via mailop
On 2023-01-17 14:41, Paul Gregg via mailop wrote: > We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where most email is > placed directly into Spam folder. > So far we have dozens of customers reporting this. > Tested myself with full SPF, DKIM and DMARC with p=reject - which gmail >

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Mark Alley via mailop
Ah, that is interesting. I checked with a few client PoD clusters I have access to and haven't noticed any spam filtering issues at the moment with consumer gmail accounts or workspace tenants. On 1/17/2023 9:05 AM, Paul Gregg wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 08:28:54AM -0600, Mark Alley via

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Paul Gregg via mailop
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 08:28:54AM -0600, Mark Alley via mailop wrote: > Just to clarify - Do you mean from Proofpoint enterprise (PoD) customers or > Proofpoint essentials? I could definitely see essentials having this problem > as their IP space is shared amongst customers, but PoD clusters each

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
A (wanted) notification from Google's Blogger service to me went to spam this morning, which is new and unique. But it talks about email auth, and spam, so I'm not 100% sure it's related. I'd love to see an example of this -- anybody affected, feel free to email me off list? This address

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Mark Alley via mailop
Just to clarify - Do you mean from Proofpoint enterprise (PoD) customers or Proofpoint essentials? I could definitely see essentials having this problem as their IP space is shared amongst customers, but PoD clusters each individually have their own IPs that are separate from any other

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jeff via mailop
We too have been seeing this in the last 48 hours Only from clients sending out from Proofpoint though and Google is marking them as Spam for the reason "Blatant Spam"... when they are clearly not We have tickets open with all relevant providers (Proofpoint and Google) to see if we can

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 17.01.2023 o godz. 13:16:03 Paul Gregg via mailop pisze: > Heads up in case anyone else is experiencing this. > > We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where > most email is placed directly into Spam folder. > > So far we have dozens of customers reporting this. > Tested

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Paul Gregg via mailop
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 02:50:04PM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > Just a wild guess based on experience - do those deliveries happen over IPv6? In this case, no. We* only have IPv4 throughout the stack - IPv6 is disabled everywhere. *Proofpoint Essentials I did think it might be TLS -

Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen via mailop
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 01:16:03PM +, Paul Gregg via mailop wrote: > Heads up in case anyone else is experiencing this. > > We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where > most email is placed directly into Spam folder. > > So far we have dozens of customers reporting this.

[mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

2023-01-17 Thread Paul Gregg via mailop
Heads up in case anyone else is experiencing this. We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where most email is placed directly into Spam folder. So far we have dozens of customers reporting this. Tested myself with full SPF, DKIM and DMARC with p=reject - which gmail itself