I agree with Slavko here.
Uceprotect must not be used to block spammers as it wrongly list entire
block that includes legitimate sender in it, for the sole purpose that some
spammers are in that block.
But to get circle back at email forwarding and Gmail issues, there is one
point that bothers me
Dňa 9. februára 2024 6:11:29 UTC používateľ Marco Moock via mailop
napísal:
>dnsbl exists and some lists (e.g. uceprotect L3) entirely list ISPs
>that have a huge amount of spammers in their network.
>The more servers that block those ISPs, the less customers will use
>them for mail.
No, that
Am Fri, 09 Feb 2024 13:17:48 +1100 (AEDT)
schrieb Andre van Eyssen via mailop :
> The bulk of problematic email now -- I see phishing as the concern
> rather than spam that gets easily tagged -- comes with valid SPF and
> is signed with DKIM.
S/MIME exists and I really don't understand why banks
Am Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:46:51 -0800
schrieb Michael Peddemors via mailop :
> The only way this will stop, is when the network operators are forced
> to be accountable for outbound traffic
dnsbl exists and some lists (e.g. uceprotect L3) entirely list ISPs
that have a huge amount of spammers in
Am Thu, 08 Feb 2024 10:20:50 -0800
schrieb "Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop" :
> > Am 08.02.2024 schrieb Cyril - ImprovMX via mailop
> > :
> > > But forwarding an email from a domain that have DMARC enabled
> > > (with a policy different than "none") could still work if the
> > >
Am Thu, 8 Feb 2024 17:10:57 +
schrieb Andy Smith via mailop :
> Last month there was a complaint on the NANOG (North American
> Network Operator's Group) that changing the subject line of an email
> mid-thread disrupted the way emails are grouped, the implication
> being that the way gmail
Am Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:33:58 -0500
schrieb Stephen Frost via mailop :
> Agreed- this is an issue and we've seen it too. I've ended up having
> to suggest to some that they remove their SPF DNS entries as that
> actually ends up helping with deliverability, which seems odd but is,
> in fact, true.
Am 8 Feb 2024 21:06:27 -
schrieb John Levine via mailop :
> It is not hard to deliver the mail locally and tell Gmail to poll that
> mailbox and show it with your Gmail, optionally with a tag. You can
> also arrange to send mail from Gmail with your other address and Gmail
> will submit it
On 2024-02-08 19:27:55 (+0800), Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Dnia 7.02.2024 o godz. 20:51:15 Jarland Donnell via mailop pisze:
Nearly 100% of
users who forward email do so because they want it in Gmail.
I am always wondering - as Gmail gives so many problems that have been
discussed
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024, Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop wrote:
I believe the day will come when it will be pointless to send eMail
from a domain that doesn't have a properly-configured SPF record and
all of its outbound mail signed with DKIM.
The bulk of problematic email now --
Frustratingly, some see DKIM as too complicated and they run their own
mail servers and simply won't set it up. I agree that it's annoying to
do ... but it's become pretty close to necessary these days.
The users with the worst problems were my local town government who were
getting mail from
Just a quick FYI:
2600 Magazine just did a podcast about the issue that they can't reach
most of their subscribers because they're on Gmail and Google seems to
not like hacking related content and either blocks it or pushes it to
the spam folder:
"We've gotten to the point where we've
I work with a small regional ISP and our main domain has been getting
blocked by Gmail since February 6. Our logs indicate we haven't sent a
huge volume of data to Google or anything. Our reputation has been
really good in Postmaster Tools until the 6th when it went straight to
the bottom.
Greetings,
* John Levine via mailop (mailop@mailop.org) wrote:
> According to Marco Moock via mailop :
> >Because they already have Gmail and use the App or are satisfied by
> >their webmail.
> >Some people don't want to set up a client because they think it is too
> >complicated.
>
> Some of my
According to Marco Moock via mailop :
>Because they already have Gmail and use the App or are satisfied by
>their webmail.
>Some people don't want to set up a client because they think it is too
>complicated.
Some of my users have trouble forwarding to Gmail because their
correspondents use only
It appears that Mike Hammett via mailop said:
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>
>I'm seeing more and more people (not commercial mailers, but ISPs, individual
>businesses, etc.) asking in groups about delivery issues to the major mail
>companies. Most likely (though not guaranteed) that it's related
On 2024-02-08 10:20, Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop wrote:
My opinion: Get rid of forwarding to external sites whenever possible.
Some universities don't even provide a forwarding option for the
eMail accounts they set up for their students, and this trend will
probably
> On 08/02/2024 04:51, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
> > Is it time to throw in the towel on email forwarding?
>
> We're successfully forwarding tens of thousands of emails to Gmail,
> Yahoo and others.
>
> We try not to break DKIM and we also use ARC, that seems to satisfy most
> for now.
> Am 08.02.2024 schrieb Cyril - ImprovMX via mailop :
>
> > But forwarding an email from a domain that have DMARC enabled (with a
> > policy different than "none") could still work if the sender signed
> > their email with DKIM. Isn't it correct?
>
> That is true. But not all domains have DKIM.
> On 08.02.24 05:48, John Covici via mailop wrote:
> >I have sendmail set up for dkim, I don't see anywhere where you need
> >anything for dmarc. Right now the opendmarc.conf is just what comes
> >when you install.
>
> DMARC on domain means setting DNS record in it.
Fortunately, that's
Le 8 février 2024 19:12:45 GMT+04:00, Matus UHLAR - fantomas via mailop
a écrit :
>> On 2024-02-08, Archange via mailop wrote:
>> [...]
>>> No, I agree with you (I’m running two forwarders that have no issues so
>>> far). And having a DMARC enforcing policy without DKIM is a bad idea.
>>>
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 12:27:55PM +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
> I am always wondering - as Gmail gives so many problems that have been
> discussed multiple times - why anybody who has another mail account would
> want to use Gmail, and moreover - have his mail forwarded to Gmail?
> On Feb 8, 2024, at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via mailop wrote:
>
> I'm seeing more and more people (not commercial mailers, but ISPs, individual
> businesses, etc.) asking in groups about delivery issues to the major mail
> companies. Most likely (though not guaranteed) that it's related to
On 2024-02-08, Archange via mailop wrote:
[...]
No, I agree with you (I’m running two forwarders that have no issues so
far). And having a DMARC enforcing policy without DKIM is a bad idea.
I would have wished that DMARC would require both SPF and DKIM, but now
it is too late for that.
I'm seeing more and more people (not commercial mailers, but ISPs, individual
businesses, etc.) asking in groups about delivery issues to the major mail
companies. Most likely (though not guaranteed) that it's related to the changes
in SPF, DKIM, and DMARC requirements.
Have you seen any
On 08.02.24 05:48, John Covici via mailop wrote:
I have sendmail set up for dkim, I don't see anywhere where you need
anything for dmarc. Right now the opendmarc.conf is just what comes
when you install.
DMARC on domain means setting DNS record in it.
In addition to SPF and DKIM provides
It says it on the new sender guidelines, under "Requirements for all senders"
"If you regularly forward email, including using mailing lists or inbound
gateways, add ARC headers to outgoing email. ARC headers indicate the message
was forwarded and identify you as the forwarder. Mailing list
Dnia 8.02.2024 o godz. 11:49:39 Kai Bojens via mailop pisze:
>
> Google wants you to use ARC for forwarded mails:
>
> https://support.google.com/a/answer/13198639?sjid=7229117128739116669-EU
I don't see anywhere on this page a statement that you must (or even should)
use ARC. It only describes
Am 08.02.2024 schrieb Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop :
> Dnia 7.02.2024 o godz. 20:51:15 Jarland Donnell via mailop pisze:
> > Nearly 100% of
> > users who forward email do so because they want it in Gmail.
>
> I am always wondering - as Gmail gives so many problems that have been
> discussed
Dnia 7.02.2024 o godz. 20:51:15 Jarland Donnell via mailop pisze:
> Nearly 100% of
> users who forward email do so because they want it in Gmail.
I am always wondering - as Gmail gives so many problems that have been
discussed multiple times - why anybody who has another mail account would
want
Am 08.02.2024 schrieb Cyril - ImprovMX via mailop :
> But forwarding an email from a domain that have DMARC enabled (with a
> policy different than "none") could still work if the sender signed
> their email with DKIM. Isn't it correct?
That is true. But not all domains have DKIM.
> In order
Am 08.02.24 um 03:51 schrieb Jarland Donnell via mailop:
Aside from the question in the subject, because I see this brought up a
lot on the mailing list in relation to email forwarding, would passing
ARC signatures even matter when the problem is that Google is
increasingly rejecting forwarded
I have sendmail set up for dkim, I don't see anywhere where you need
anything for dmarc. Right now the opendmarc.conf is just what comes
when you install.
On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 13:07:25 -0500,
Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop wrote:
>
> What's in the configuration file now? If you
On 2024-02-08, Archange via mailop wrote:
[...]
> No, I agree with you (I’m running two forwarders that have no issues so
> far). And having a DMARC enforcing policy without DKIM is a bad idea.
>
> I would have wished that DMARC would require both SPF and DKIM, but now
> it is too late for
Greetings,
* Jarland Donnell via mailop (mailop@mailop.org) wrote:
> Aside from the question in the subject, because I see this brought up a lot
> on the mailing list in relation to email forwarding, would passing ARC
> signatures even matter when the problem is that Google is increasingly
>
On 08/02/2024 04:51, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
Is it time to throw in the towel on email forwarding?
We're successfully forwarding tens of thousands of emails to Gmail,
Yahoo and others.
We try not to break DKIM and we also use ARC, that seems to satisfy most
for now. We've even
Dňa 8. 2. o 10:38 Archange via mailop napísal(a):
No, I agree with you (I’m running two forwarders that have no issues so
far). And having a DMARC enforcing policy without DKIM is a bad idea.
IMO not bad idea, only sometime missused idea. I see preventing of
forwarding as legal requirements
Le 08/02/2024 à 11:56, Cyril - ImprovMX via mailop a écrit :
This is an interesting topic (I'm running an email forwarding service
so...).
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's not entirely that bad.
First, I agree with Jarland that ARC doesn't fixes anything, it only
gives more
This is an interesting topic (I'm running an email forwarding service
so...).
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's not entirely that bad.
First, I agree with Jarland that ARC doesn't fixes anything, it only gives
more power to those who already have too much.
But forwarding an email
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