[mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail as follows: <[elided]@gmail.com>: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2607:f8b0:4004:c17::1a] said: 550-5.7.1 [2610:1c1:1:606c::19:2] Our system has detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 not RFC 5322 compliant. To

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2022-07-13 15:31:17 (+0800), Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail as follows: [...] As far as I can tell, the message is compliant. It doesn't have any of the obvious problems, at least. From, To, Message-ID and Date are

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Łukasz Wąsikowski via mailop
W dniu 2022-07-13 o 09:31, Philip Paeps via mailop pisze: In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail as follows: <[elided]@gmail.com>: host     gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2607:f8b0:4004:c17::1a] said: 550-5.7.1     [2610:1c1:1:606c::19:2] Our system has detected

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread ml+mailop--- via mailop
On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: > As far as I can tell, the message is compliant. It doesn't have any of the Can you post it so others can check? ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Trouble sending mail to French providers

2022-07-13 Thread Frietschy, Carlo via mailop
Hi Romain, thanks for the link. VadeSecure was able to solve the problem with a modification of their rulesets. Regards, Carlo Von: Romain Datum: Dienstag, 12. Juli 2022 um 14:11 An: Carlo Frietschy Cc: "mailop@mailop.org" Betreff: [EXTERN] Re: [mailop] Trouble sending mail to French

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Laura Atkins via mailop
> On 13 Jul 2022, at 09:07, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: > > On 2022-07-13 15:31:17 (+0800), Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: >> In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail as >> follows: [...] >> >> As far as I can tell, the message is compliant. It doesn't have

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2022-07-13 17:52:33 (+0800), Laura Atkins wrote: On 13 Jul 2022, at 09:07, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: On 2022-07-13 15:31:17 (+0800), Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail as follows: [...] As far as I can tell, the

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2022-07-13 at 05:52:33 UTC-0400 (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:52:33 +0100) Laura Atkins via mailop is rumored to have said: [...] There are currently quite a number of anecdotal reports that Google is moving towards rejecting more email that doesn’t comply with their interpretation of the

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
I've gotten bitten by this too, as I had my homebrew mailing list manager intermittently generating messages with two message ID headers -- but not in the past few days -- more like a couple of months ago. So it could be new-ish, I guess. Cheers, Al On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 5:34 AM Philip Paeps

Re: [mailop] [External] Re: Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Kevin A. McGrail via mailop
On 7/13/2022 11:18 AM, Miles Fidelman via mailop wrote: It's been over a month now, since Google became hostile to email lists.  I'm still dealing with the aftermath. Do you mean their stricter requirements around SPF and DKIM? ___ mailop mailing

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Mark Fletcher via mailop
On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 8:29 AM Miles Fidelman via mailop wrote: > It's been over a month now, since Google became hostile to email lists. > I'm still dealing with the aftermath. > > How so? We haven't seen any issues. Mark ___ mailop mailing list

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Al Iverson via mailop said: >Yeah, I'm not seeing Google be "hostile" to mailing lists if the mail >fully authenticates properly. I've felt mailing lists and >authentication and Gmail were a solved problem, at least from my >perspective, for a number of years now. Same here. I

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
Yeah, I'm not seeing Google be "hostile" to mailing lists if the mail fully authenticates properly. I've felt mailing lists and authentication and Gmail were a solved problem, at least from my perspective, for a number of years now. What bit me recently was a bug, not some pushback against my

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Miles Fidelman via mailop
It's been over a month now, since Google became hostile to email lists.  I'm still dealing with the aftermath. Miles Fidelman Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail as follows: <[elided]@gmail.com>: host    

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Miles Fidelman via mailop
Mark Fletcher via mailop wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 8:29 AM Miles Fidelman via mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: It's been over a month now, since Google became hostile to email lists. I'm still dealing with the aftermath. How so? We haven't seen any issues. Mark

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Chris Adams via mailop
Once upon a time, John Levine said: > Same here. I set up a kludge to rewrite From: headers several years > ago (not rewriting to the list address, which sucks) and it still > works fine. Is there a standard for doing rewrites like that? Because I like to see actual senders in the From: line

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
As far as the rfc ignorant rejections, the rules about some duplicate headers have been ramping for a couple months, but only recently was the error message updated to point out what the issue is, before it was a more generic might be spam message. This is in addition to the rules we've had for

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Chris Adams via mailop said: >Once upon a time, John Levine said: >> Same here. I set up a kludge to rewrite From: headers several years >> ago (not rewriting to the list address, which sucks) and it still >> works fine. > >Is there a standard for doing rewrites like that? No,

[mailop] Important enough phishing to mention..

2022-07-13 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
More bad actors at HostWinds.. 142.11.213.163 x132payments-citi.com 142.11.213.175 x115rdns0.activepaypnc.com 142.11.213.201 x134rdns0.wellsfargo-remittances.com I let someone else report these ones.. -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..."

Re: [mailop] Important enough phishing to mention..

2022-07-13 Thread Mary via mailop
[ban] Country..: US [ban] ISP..: HostWinds LLC [ban] IPv4.: 142.11.213.0/24 [ban] Warning..: ALREADY_BANNED: 142.11.213.0/24 in permanent ban :) On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 13:02:59 -0700 Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > More bad actors at HostWinds.. > > 142.11.213.163x132

Re: [mailop] Important enough phishing to mention..

2022-07-13 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
Here it is blocked/trapped/tagged as well ;) And probably many other places and reputation lists, but for those that aren't .. Well, it seemed prudent.. Now, if they stop with the bot generated removal requests ;) On 2022-07-13 14:11, Mary via mailop wrote: [ban] Country..: US [ban]

Re: [mailop] Did Google become stricter about RFC 5322?

2022-07-13 Thread Larry M. Smith via mailop
On 7/13/2022, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: In the past couple of days, I'm seeing an uptick in rejects from Gmail as follows: <[elided]@gmail.com>: host     gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2607:f8b0:4004:c17::1a] said: 550-5.7.1     [2610:1c1:1:606c::19:2] Our system has detected that this