[mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

I'm pretty much giving up on Marketo - and about to BL them and also recommend to others that they do so - as I have *never* received anything other than spam from them, and while they may still have a few good people there, it doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference overall. Does

[mailop] DigitalOcean responds to DMCA takedown (was re: DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..))

Just an update on our own issue - which was that DigitalOcean is hosting privacy-formula.com, which is doing wholesale rip-off of content from places like Sophos, Washington Times, Medium, NY Times, etc... and one of our publications (The Internet Patrol). They are basically grabbing the RSS

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

> I Twittered to @digitalocean about the lack of responsiveness from their > abuse desk. > > They promptly replied via Twitter: > > "We apologise for the trouble. Our security & operation team is already > looking into it." > > As I still had a case open with them, I appended your nice list of

[mailop] Issue with Mailop 'From' header

Something has changed in the past several weeks so that email from Mailop now comes: From: To: mailop@mailop.org Whereas before the change the email would come: From: Anne Mitchell To: mailop@mailop.org ..making triage, etc., of reading Mailop mail more onerous now, as one has to actually

Re: [mailop] mailop Digest, Vol 142, Issue 35

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: > > Wait. There was spam before Anne Mitchell defined it for the rest of us? > Actually it was Paul Vixie who defined it - then we worked together to refine the wording and put it up on the MAPS website. Anne --- Anne P.

Re: [mailop] [ext] Re: Return Path / Sender Score

> Spam being unsolicited broadcast email, I would say that if you agree to > receive it, it cannot be spam. This definition has held up well over the > twenty-five years I've been involved in the industry. Indeed, and it was formalized in item (2) in the Vixie/Mitchell defintion of spam, which

Re: [mailop] [ext] Re: Return Path / Sender Score

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Ewald Kessler | Webpower via mailop > wrote: > > Not short, but certainly sweet: > > I don't care what method people devise to make sure that people don't get > added to a mailing list without their consent, so long as it actually works. > I don't care if they

Re: [mailop] Lawsuit to watch: Tulsi v. Google

> Also, doesn't CAN-SPAM only apply to senders? No, there is a little-known (apparently) clause in CAN-SPAM that specifically states that ISPs can make any delivery decision that they want to, for any reason or no reason whatsoever. It’s nearly (but not quite) the codification of “their

Re: [mailop] Crazy Sender-score value of 0 instead of 96-98

Relatedly, do we have any idea what is going to happen with SenderScore now that they have been acquired by Validity, and 200 RP employees have been laid off? Anne Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy Dean of Cybersecurity & Cyberlaw,

Re: [mailop] How to identify source of email sent via Google?

> On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Angelo Giuffrida via mailop > wrote: > > I find it rich that Michael is in here throwing stones... can't exactly throw > stones when you live in a glass house there big Mikey! I find it rich that you would disparage Michael like this, especially when, to the

[mailop] Lawsuit to watch: Tulsi v. Google

While at first blush the big news about this lawsuit is that Google is being sued for suppressing presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard's campaign's ads, there is also a piece of the lawsuit where they are suing Google because (they claim) a disproportionate number of her campaign's email was

Re: [mailop] Reasons to add plain text alternative to email?

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 4:32 AM, Andreas Schamanek via mailop > wrote: > >> we were wondering if there's still a good reason for adding plain text to a >> html message. Is there a significant audience reading in plain text? Is >> plain text important for accessibility? > Let me turn this

Re: [mailop] Mailop made Hacker News

> > And the comments on Brandon about him being helpful and respectful are well > deserved. Indeed they are! This is also a reminder, however, that nothing said here is confidential, and that something you say here may end up repeated (and attributed) where you don't want it to be

Re: [mailop] Certified Senders Alliance

> We were certified by ISIPP (as an ESP) many years ago, and I don't remember > going through an extensive check process for that. You did. :-) However it was all in the background, based on your responses to your application. > As we didn't see any improvement in the deliverability, we

[mailop] Any idea who wrote 'Spam Lawsuits: What's the Worst that Can Happen?' ?

I came across a pdf titled Spam Lawsuits: What's the Worst that Can Happen? ...no author, no sponsoring org (although I suspect a connection with MailChimp owing to a line say saying "If you're a MailChimp customer" and another saying "As you're a MailChimp customer") You can see it here:

Re: [mailop] Any idea who wrote 'Spam Lawsuits: What's the Worst that Can Happen?' ?

Thank you, everyone, for helping solve this mystery! The document actually does have attribution in the Slideshare version (what I had found was a plain PDF file, with no attribution). Thank you again! Anne -- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyber Law & Cyber Security, Lincoln Law

Re: [mailop] [FEEDBACK] whose address, was Approach to dealing with List Washing services, industry feedback..

While most of the misdirected email I get is just a nuisance, just last week a lawyer at a law firm in California, with whom I have no connection, emailed documents in a case, with which I have no connection, to opposing counsel, with whom I have no connection (are you a detecting a theme

Re: [mailop] [FEEDBACK] whose address, was Approach to dealing with List Washing services, industry feedback..

> I can't recall the exact quote but a key rule is basically this; > > "Spam is whatever my users say it is." And, delightfully, even CAN-SPAM says (essentially) that spam is whatever ISPs say it is. Anne --- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law, Dean of Cyberlaw, Lincoln Law School of San

Re: [mailop] A Facebook curiosity: lots of people suddenly have accounts at honet.com?

> Nadine, is that you? Please to provide a C warning next time (yes, I audibly snorted, loudly enough for my other half to hear it and ask what I was laughing at). Anne -- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law, Dean of Cyberlaw, Lincoln Law School of San Jose CEO/President, SuretyMail Email

Re: [mailop] Urgently need contact at Facebook of Instagram and also Omegle

e platforms you mentioned > have abuse forms for that kind of reports, and it will be much more efficient > than passing thru a mailing list related to email industry. > > Le dim. 3 mai 2020 à 00:23, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop > a écrit : > There is a woman

[mailop] Also going on on TikTok (Re: Urgently need contact at Facebook of Instagram and also Omegle)

> On May 2, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. > wrote: > > There is a woman torturing animals on Omegle, she is advertising it on her > Instagram account. Need to get this in front of the right people to have her > traced and shut down. > > Please let me know if you can provide a

[mailop] Urgently need contact at Facebook of Instagram and also Omegle

There is a woman torturing animals on Omegle, she is advertising it on her Instagram account. Need to get this in front of the right people to have her traced and shut down. Please let me know if you can provide a contact for either org. Anne --- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of

[mailop] Offer for Mailop *Only*: Waiving Application Fee for Email Reputation Certification

All, As more and more businesses are having to shut down their offices, and rely nearly completely on doing business online, making sure that business email gets to the inbox is becoming more important than ever to these businesses. While we of course are also a business, we don't want to

Re: [mailop] [External] sendgrid.net

> I've been very saddened. Sendgrid was a reputable ESP that has fallen > from grace. About 6-7 months ago, we started seeing pretty large > amounts of spam from them. Exactly - this tracks with the timeline when a) they ceased being certified by us, b) certain key people who *had* been

[mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

This is disturbing, although I don't know any of the back story. Is there anything of which anybody is aware that would somehow change how concerning this is? -- DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project DatabaseUSA, a provider of data and email marketing services, has won a victory

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

>> Did you not read what I quoted from the Spamhaus website? They are based >> in Switzerland and Andorra, not the UK. My assumption is that there is >> basically no chance of any U.S. ruling being enforced in either of these >> two countries, unless it is related to a serious crime. I should

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

Following up on my own post, it was a default judgement (we just posted the memorandum here: https://www.theinternetpatrol.com/databaseusa-wins-case-against-spamhaus-in-matter-of-databaseusa-v-spamhaus-in-federal-court/ ..and will be adding our own commentary shortly). DatabaseUSA has been

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

> default judgment, Spamhaus is not a US organization or wasn't properly served > or whatever. Right...the thing is that a default judgement is still a judgement. And because they are in the UK doesn't mean that it can't be enforced against them.. in the UK. Here are two good articles

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

> Did you not read what I quoted from the Spamhaus website? They are based > in Switzerland and Andorra, not the UK. My assumption is that there is > basically no chance of any U.S. ruling being enforced in either of these > two countries, unless it is related to a serious crime. From the

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

>> From the judgement: >> "The plaintiff has shown that it has complied with the Hague Convention and >> personally served a representative authorized to accept service of process >> in London." > > Rule #1 of spam: Spammers lie. Absolutely. However, a court isn't going to take a party's

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

>> >> It was Mr. Charles Benn who, according to the service of process affidavit, >> was authorized to receive process on their behalf. > > It won't surprise you to learn that we have absolutely no clue who "Charles > Benn" is, literally never heard of the guy. Steve, my working theory is

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

> Another relevant piece of data. The organization that was named in the suit > and has received a permanent injunction against it has been voluntarily > dissolved and struck off the UK registry of companies. > > https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05303831 > > There is no one

Re: [mailop] Google and Spam detection

Also, starting in this past week, Google (must have) changed their spam-detecting algorithm, as we are seeing that suddenly fully 50% of any day's load in the spam folder are false positives (i.e. has actually been legitimate email, even email that has a months - or even years - long history of

[mailop] SendInBlue Contact?

Does anyone have a contact at Send in Blue? Anne -- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law. Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School CEO, SuretyMail Email Reputation Certification Advisor, Governor's Innovation Response Team Task Force Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the

Re: [mailop] scam prevention

> Background: > > Some people at work fell for a scam email where the From line was > > From: =?UTF-8?Q?Darren_Smith=C2=A0?= We have been beating this drum for ages, most recently here:

Re: [mailop] Suddenlink Contact

> Is there anyone with Suddenlink on this list, or does anyone have any > contacts with them, if so please contact me off list. It seems that emails > sent to their postmaster account bounce. Having *just* gone 'round with them on this for a client, and (after many emails and phone calls)

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Registered @ Microsoft JMRP - blacklisted without feedback received

> On May 11, 2021, at 11:45 AM, André Peters via mailop > wrote: > > because you MS guys are so clever, I'd like to suggest that personal attacks, *especially* on such a trusted, respected member of the community - not to mention one who is one of the good guys, is not only unwarranted,

Re: [mailop] Anybody know Anthony Mitchell or Inboxsys?

> On May 20, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Florian Vierke via mailop > wrote: > > I‘ve been working with Anthony a few Years back at Teradata/eCircle. He > joined Adobe and later Inboxsys. I can confirm, that he‘s 10y+ in the > industry and has been to M3aawg, csa summit, was speaker at emailing 2020

[mailop] Anybody know Anthony Mitchell or Inboxsys?

All, We've been contacted by Anthony Mitchell, representing Inboxsys.com - they are brand new in the deliverability space, and yet they claim to have relationships with all of the ISPs and ESPs; however I can find *nothing* about them, anywhere, other than on archive.org, which shows that they

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

> On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:18 AM Thomas Walter via mailop > wrote: > > You can not trust users to identify spam. Sure you can. You can trust them to identify what *they* consider to be spam. It just doesn't jive with what we consider to be spam. That is, always has been, and always will

[mailop] EmailDeliverablityReport.com?

Does anybody know who is behind EmailDeliverabilityReport.com? I note it's only about a year old, and I want to know about the trustworthiness/reliability of what they are putting out - for example they are ranking ESPs based on deliverability... their data and info may be completely accurate

Re: [mailop] Anyone seen this "email warmup" pattern?

>> I've been catching my customers left and right lately signing up for >> some email warmup service. > > OK, I see I've been completely out of touch with that segment of the industry. Michael, another, somewhat related and somewhat new service model is the one like "MailShake", which gives

Re: [mailop] Xfinity / Comcast / rsys5.com

> On Sep 15, 2021, at 12:55 AM, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop > wrote: > > I understand that industry back practice recommends to have > "unsubscribe" links in promotional bulk messages. Shouldn't these links > direct to some form that effectively allows to remove the recipient > address from

[mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

All, I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host. Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.

[mailop] MailChimp to be Acquired by Intuit

So this is apparently happening: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ben Chestnut, Mailchimp > > Subject: Big News from Mailchimp: We're Planning to be Acquired by Intuit > Date: September 13, 2021 at 1:56:01 PM PDT > Reply-To: Ben Chestnut, Mailchimp

Re: [mailop] So uh... Zoom/Sendgrid... How's that webinar spam investigation coming?

Brielle wrote: > Litigation is WAY overused to resolve issues. I generally agree. However, on the other hand it's a pretty good way to get the attention of people who *know* they are doing wrong, and continue to do it unrepentingly all the way to the bank. Anne "Cartoony at Large" Mitchell

[mailop] SendX?

We have someone asking us for info on SendX, their reputation, etc., and honestly we have never heard of them; while ordinarily we would consider that in and of itself as a data point, I'm wondering if anybody has any experience with them? Anne --- Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. CEO ISIPP SuretyMail

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:08 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: > > It appears that Jarland Donnell via mailop said: >>> * “the provider has a good faith, reasonable belief that the message >>> contains malicious computer code, obscene material, material depicting >>> sexual conduct, or material

Re: [mailop] Ethics Complaint to Princeton (was: Privacy research spam apparently from a grad student at Princeton)

Yuval this is awesome, and an awesome result! FWIW, this is what I told Jonathan (after two previous replies/re-replies), yesterday morning, in part - cc:ed to the chair of the compsci department, and the Princeton legal department: He wrote: > Thank you for reaching out about our research on

Re: [mailop] Ethics Complaint to Princeton (was: Bizarre GDPR/CCPA scam spam from Princeton researchers)

P.S. These two notes from Jonathan Mayer are appended to the https://privacystudy.cs.princeton.edu/ site; the newest is from yesterday. Note from Jonathan Mayer, the Principal Investigator (Saturday, December 18 @ 11:30pm) Hi, my name is Jonathan Mayer. I’m the Principal Investigator for

Re: [mailop] Ethics Complaint to Princeton (was: Bizarre GDPR/CCPA scam spam from Princeton researchers)

> > Yes they do communicate but they are now sugesting to spam everybody once > more with some explanation. ... And here is that follow-up spam (below), note that the novatormail.ru is the domain from which our client originally received the email, obviously the domain will change depending

Re: [mailop] WhatCounts/Costco silliness

Here is what CAN-SPAM requires, following the updated rules issued by the FTC in May of 2008; this is the "single step" requirement: § 316.5 Prohibition on charging a fee or imposing other requirements on recipients who wish to opt out. Neither a sender nor any person acting on behalf of a

[mailop] New "What is your GDPR" or "What is your CCPA" policy email scam?

On Friday, we received the following email, purporting to be asking about GDPR policies for our property The Internet Patrol: From: tomhar...@yosemitemail.com: Subject: Questions About GDPR Data Access Process for theinternetpatrol.com To Whom It May Concern: My name is Tom Harris, and I am a

Re: [mailop] Ethics Complaint to Princeton (was: Privacy research spam apparently from a grad student at Princeton)

As a follow up, to my letter, I received the following: > Thank you for reaching out about our research on the European Union General > Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and the California Consumer Privacy Act > (CCPA). A component of the study involves requesting information from > websites

Re: [mailop] What am I supposed to do with abuse complaints on legit mail?

> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:30 PM, Jay Hennigan via mailop > wrote: > > A single acknowledgement of a successful unsubscribe is fine, but don't make > them jump through another flaming hoop. It's also a violation of Federal law, which requires a "one-step unsubscribe method". Anne -- Anne

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

> On Feb 23, 2024, at 4:59 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: > > 'd leave the links in the bodies for now. A lot of mail programs give > you a way to use the ones in the header, but some major ones like > Outlook still don't. Not to mention that Federal law requires a one-step unsubscribe

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

> On Feb 24, 2024, at 12:41 PM, Andrew C Aitchison > wrote: > > Do you read "visiting a single Internet Web page" > as excluding interaction with that page ? > > If so, how do I provide my opt-out preferences by ... > "visiting a single Internet Web page" ? A strict construction of that

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

> > You're confusing unrelated things. The one-click unsubscribe is > literally one click, no intermediate web page or anything returned to > the user. It's intended for mail systems that do the unsub on the > user's behalf. The most familiar is Gmail, where you can click the > junk button, and

Re: [mailop] Anyone from Microsoft?

> On Mar 5, 2024, at 11:36 PM, Michael Rathbun via mailop > wrote: > > You might wish to consider omphaloskepsis. The chances of a useful outcome > will be closely similar. I think that's a bit unfair. Omphaloskepsis can lead to, lint detection, which can be quite useful. Anne --- Anne