RE: VIRGIL: Re: Aeneas' 'greatest labour' ?

1999-04-15 Thread Adrian Pay
Achilles, yet in the Iliad we get a v. humane reconciliation. Message: civilization (in sense of impe rium) and humanity (in sense of humaneness) are not coextensive? Adrian Pay 70 Dalling Road Hammersmith London W6 0JA 0181 846 9355 (Home) 07801 342 182 (Mobile) [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: VIRGIL: paid for propaganda?

1999-03-13 Thread Adrian Pay
point. Remember also that monetary reward was not the only incentive/pressure to promote Augustan values. Adrian Pay -Original Message- From: Monique Bouquet [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 6:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: VIRGIL: paid

RE: VIRGIL: Trying again!

1999-03-13 Thread Adrian Pay
But does that make Aeneas the good guy? I don't think Vergil's so unequivocal. -Original Message- From: Arne Jonsson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: VIRGIL: Trying again! Also, how can Aeneas be a symbol of

RE: VIRGIL: Aeneid Jokes

1999-03-08 Thread Adrian Pay
This was a joke that had already been made in Aristophanes' Frogs with reference to Heracles crossing the Styx on Charon's boat. More humour in Vergil invitus, regina, tuo de litore cessi (Bk 6) reference to Catullus' Lock of Berenice invitus, regina, tuo de cervice cessi, a singularly

RE: VIRGIL: VERGIL: ekphrasis in Book VI

1999-03-08 Thread Adrian Pay
I've also been struck by this passage but never been able to come to a suitable explanation. Looking at the passage again, the language reminds me of Georgics IV labor...et inextricabilis error (quite a curious phrasing) magnum reginae sed enim miseratus amorem; Daedalus in the labyrinth is a