Re: VIRGIL: Creusa's demise

2000-01-14 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:59:05 -0600 (CST) From: RANDI C ELDEVIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really can't agree that Aeneas is callous and uncaring about Creusa's demise. Look at the pertinent passage: his emotional reaction is intense! It has

Re: VIRGIL: Creusa's demise

2000-01-14 Thread M W Hughes
I'm sorry not to have read Christine's article: it's an omission I will make good soon. Meanwhile, like Matthew, I warm to the idea that Creusa has a responsible role in what Neven rightly calls a military situation. This is the role assigned to the second officer in a Roman military century, the

VIRGIL: Creusa's demise

2000-01-13 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura From: ddavis-henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:08:52 -0500 Creusa's separation from her family towards the end of book II is tough for me to accept and to teach. I readily understand why her elimination from the storyline is

Re: VIRGIL: Creusa's demise

2000-01-13 Thread James Stewart
I think the key part here is Creusa's comment- Who was once called your wife... Remember that this passage comes after Venus has revealed the destruction of the city to Aeneas (it is not the greeks doing it, but the gods). It seems to me it is at this point that fate takes over Aeneas' life:

Re: VIRGIL: Creusa's demise

2000-01-13 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
At 12:25 PM 1/13/00 -0500, Christine Perkell wrote: Since Aeneas is carrying his father, who in turn holds the household gods, and is holding his son by the hand, you can hardly argue that Aeneas entrusts Creusa with everything important to him! Quite the opposite! He is in physical contact

Re: VIRGIL: Creusa's demise

2000-01-13 Thread Neven Jovanovic
1. We may choose between various vantage points: do we want to read Aeneas' words on Creusa's disappearance as modern readers? Or as Romans? Or as Dido and the Carthaginians (to whom these words are directed)? Or some combination of all this? It is important, I believe, to define where we want to