Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
My proposal for how we are different is: (Rough draft) LibreOffice is a free software(free as in freedom) which respects your freedom. You can run, study, modify, share and share the modified versions. MS Office is nonfree software. Users do not control it. They use this power over users to

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 5:45 am, Joshua Coppersmith wrote: > I really am very pro-FOSS and pro-LO, but I want to interject a wet blanket here regarding companies picking up FOSS and migrating to LO. > > I think the truth is, LO just isn't ready for that kind of prime-time. Companies can customize it

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread toki
On 30/12/2021 21:31, Ravi Dwivedi wrote: On 30/12/21 8:06 pm, James Harking wrote: Currently to replace the totality of Microsoft Office 365 takes around 5 or 6 applications I suspect which is a difficult ask given that you can Can you please tell what challenges does a company have in

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Joshua Coppersmith
es in 15 years or so. From: Ravi Dwivedi Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 4:49 PM To: James Harking Cc: TDF Marketing Subject: Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website On 31/12/21 4:10

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 4:10 am, James Harking wrote: > My reason is to promote FLOSS software solutions that can realistically > compete with Microsoft Office. Let me put my question in a different way: Why should a company choose a free software(or FLOSS) over Microsoft Office? (Different people can

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
Hi Ravi? My reason is to promote FLOSS software solutions that can realistically compete with Microsoft Office. Currently LibreOffice only provides a subset of this functionality. If partnerships between FLOSS software products were in place you could have a situation where this missing

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 4:02 am, James Harking wrote: > What I am proposing is for those companies that are tied to Microsoft > office have a migration, recommendation/best practice solution provided by > the greater FLOSS office desktop ecosystem. What is the reason for your proposal? -- Ravi Dwivedi

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
I'm not advocating for lots of different software to be included in a single binary download, that would likely be unrealistic. What I am proposing is for those companies that are tied to Microsoft office have a migration, recommendation/best practice solution provided by the greater FLOSS

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 3:22 am, James Harking wrote: > A company will typically have many 'seats' that are purchased. They will be > going to a single vendor that will provide the totality of their office > solution. There is a wealth of documentation on Microsoft Office/ 365 > configuration. Support is

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 3:10 am, James Harking wrote: > I think you need to be realistic here, if you are going to continue to use > Microsoft Teams for video conferencing you would use the rest of the > package also, correct me if wrong but there would be no cost benefit for a > business to not using

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
A company will typically have many 'seats' that are purchased. They will be going to a single vendor that will provide the totality of their office solution. There is a wealth of documentation on Microsoft Office/ 365 configuration. Support is typically easy to come by. The integration of their

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
I think you need to be realistic here, if you are going to continue to use Microsoft Teams for video conferencing you would use the rest of the package also, correct me if wrong but there would be no cost benefit for a business to not using Microsoft Office then? While I appreciate your desire to

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 8:06 pm, James Harking wrote: Currently to replace the totality of Microsoft Office 365 takes around 5 or 6 applications I suspect which is a difficult ask given that you can go to one provider for a solution but if there is a recommended migration path using a number of 'partner'

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 8:06 pm, James Harking wrote: Hi Sophie, What I'm trying to 'tease' out is that LibreOffice in its current form can not be a replacement for Microsoft Office, but clearly it is central to this. As an example I have never heard of Blue Mind. I disagree. In case of video

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 7:09 pm, James Harking wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's hypothetical for you, I don't have direct contact with our desktop > team but I do have some sway in decision making. > > Let's say we are a company with around 1000 Windows desktops, we currently > use Microsoft Office 365 and

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Clocked Modular
Interesting. Thanks. Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are not known with us, you can use the web contact form

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado
e > > <https://www.libreoffice.org> * > > * Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data* > > > > ---------- > > *From:* James Harking > > *Sent:* 30 December 2021 14:36 > > *To:* sophi > > *Cc:*

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
; <https://www.libreoffice.org> * > * Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data* > > -- > *From:* James Harking > *Sent:* 30 December 2021 14:36 > *To:* sophi > *Cc:* TDF Marketing > *Subject:* Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-ma

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Nigel Verity
r 2021 14:36 To: sophi Cc: TDF Marketing Subject: Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website Hi Sophie, What I'm trying to 'tease' out is that LibreOffice in its current form can not be a replacement for Microsoft Off

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
Hi Sophie, What I'm trying to 'tease' out is that LibreOffice in its current form can not be a replacement for Microsoft Office, but clearly it is central to this. As an example I have never heard of Blue Mind. What would go a long way in my opinion is some guidance from the Document Foundation

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread sophi
Hi, Le 30/12/2021 à 14:39, James Harking a écrit : > Hi all, > > Here's hypothetical for you, I don't have direct contact with our desktop > team but I do have some sway in decision making. > > Let's say we are a company with around 1000 Windows desktops, we currently > use Microsoft Office 365

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
Hi all, Here's hypothetical for you, I don't have direct contact with our desktop team but I do have some sway in decision making. Let's say we are a company with around 1000 Windows desktops, we currently use Microsoft Office 365 and generally are happy with it, however license costs are

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 4:52 pm, Italo Vignoli wrote: > You are completely off-topic, messages on this mailing list must be > strictly related to LibreOffice marketing. I agree. Apologies for that. In the LibreOffice marketing context, I would like to say that LibreOffice should not be integrated with

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Italo Vignoli
You are completely off-topic, messages on this mailing list must be strictly related to LibreOffice marketing. On 12/30/21 10:57, Ravi Dwivedi wrote: On 30/12/21 12:18 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: Ravi, You are right about signal being a centralized service. Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 12:28 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: > *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we > will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are > not known with us, you can use the web contact form >

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 12:18 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for Signal? Quicksy is exactly that-- a federated and encrypted replacement(not alternative) for Signal. I will write a blog post on Quicksy today to spread awareness. And also on problems with

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 12:18 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: Ravi, You are right about signal being a centralized service. Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for Signal? Yes it is encrypted. See https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0384.html. Android clients of Jabber encrypt

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-29 Thread Clocked Modular
The Gnome community. Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are not known with us, you can use the web contact form

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-29 Thread Clocked Modular
By the way, Gnome uses Rocket.chat. Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are not known with us, you can use the web contact

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-29 Thread Clocked Modular
Ravi, You are right about signal being a centralized service. Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for Signal? Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-29 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 28/12/21 3:32 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: > I recommend integrating Signal into LibreOffice rather than email. We > should look at Google and Apple for what the market is doing. Not the old > dinosaurs like IBM and Microsoft are pointing the way, but they are. You are recommending integrating

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-28 Thread James Harking
Hi Cor, There in is the problem, too much choice is not helpful. It's easier to say we give an institution a choice in the software they want to integrate rather than provide a recommendation based on applications that works well together to provide a more robust solution. Migrations are clearly

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-28 Thread Cor Nouws
James Harking wrote on 28/12/2021 09:12: > Also mail clients often have a calendar and contacts function that are > integrated. That is why I really think this is a short coming of > LibreOffice currently. One could also look from the other position: LibreOffice technology allows to integrate

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-28 Thread James Harking
Hi again, Your key identifier with iOS and Android is your email address. You mention corporate and political world in the USA and EU, that's a very sizable market indeed. If you want migrations from Microsoft Office you need alternative applications, you can't just have a void and say we no

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-28 Thread Nigel Verity
01 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Subject: R: Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website Hi. My humble opinion. Many years ago a small municipality here migrated to LibreOffice saying that ms office provides a higher quality, but I

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-28 Thread Clocked Modular
Hi All, I've worked in multinationals and for governments in Europe and the US. I know how email dependent they are. But I've also worked with Taiwan and Korean business. And 20 years ago already they were moving to mobile. Also, outside the old stile corporate and gov bubbles, most communication

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-28 Thread James Harking
Hi all, I completely disagree that e-mail is a fading technology that will soon be replaced. It is the only universal communication method realistically for business outside of telephone calls. We after all are now using e-mail to communicate on this mailing list. I work in a large

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-27 Thread Clocked Modular
Following Microsoft never was a good idea. Until the mobile phone revolution, MS applied horde-control for their marketing. Now the horde goes largely their own way. Only western governments stay behind. Email is a fading out technology and is most of the time replaced by smartphone based

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-27 Thread James Harking
Hi all, I just responded to a question on the LibreOffice reddit thread regarding if LibreOffice needs a Outlook like application. https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/roj4m8/who_would_love_to_see_libreoffice_include_a/ It appears that the vast majority of responders think it does,

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-27 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado
Paolo, thank you for focusing on this EU "angle", and to all the others for so many and so rich interventions, IMO (y). Portugal, as far as I know, and just to give easily observed data - information/intel -, has been working in the area of interoperability, since June 21, 2011. >>

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-26 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 26/12/21 6:26 pm, Italo Vignoli wrote: > MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware because they are > intentionally complex, in order to perpetuate user lock-in (the more > complex the document, the lower the chances that third party software > such as LibreOffice is able to interoperate).

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-26 Thread Clocked Modular
Great. Thanks. Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are not known with us, you can use the web contact form

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-26 Thread Italo Vignoli
I have been talking about this issue at events for the last 8 years, online you can find presentations with plenty of data. I am preparing an updated presentation which will be shared with community members in 2022 (will be speaking about this issue at FOSDEM). On 12/26/21 17:38, Clocked

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-26 Thread Clocked Modular
Interesting. Can we gather research to back this up? Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are not known with us, you can use

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-26 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 26/12/21 2:04 pm, Paolo Debortoli wrote: > by the way you can go in the LO menu: file -> save as -> file type -> ms* .doc .docx. Thanks. That helped. -- Ravi Dwivedi https://ravidwivedi.in/ GPG Keys-> https://ravidwivedi.in/files/ravidwivedi.asc -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-26 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 12/26/21 07:30, Ravi Dwivedi wrote: On 13/12/21 7:17 pm, Paolo Debortoli wrote: > A few facts: > > 1. MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware worldwide What does this mean? MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware because they are intentionally complex, in order to perpetuate

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-25 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 12/12/21 3:02 pm, Chris Whitworth wrote: > As a committed "end user" I agree totally. I have only used Linux since > Windose 98 broke my computer. However I write academic papers and give > presentations at conferences. I am paranoid that my Libre-Office output > will be rejected or break

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-25 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 13/12/21 7:17 pm, Paolo Debortoli wrote: > A few facts: > > 1. MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware worldwide What does this mean? -- Ravi Dwivedi https://ravidwivedi.in/ GPG Keys-> https://ravidwivedi.in/files/ravidwivedi.asc -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-25 Thread James Harking
techrepublic.com/article/linux-to-windows-10-why-did-munich-switch-and-why-does-it-matter/ > > > > Warm regards > > > > Gudrun > > > > > > > > Dr. Gudrun Schirmer-Liyayi > > Dortmund > > Germany > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht---

AW: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-17 Thread Gudrun Dr. Schirmer
: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website On 13/12/21 7:40 pm, Chris Whitworth wrote: > My suggestion is that we try to build as large a community as we can, > > whilst recognising that the majority will not join us.

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-15 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 13/12/21 7:40 pm, Chris Whitworth wrote: > I went to at least 6 dealers here and could not persuade > any of them to sell me a blank system. They all said that if I deleted W10 > the warranty would be invalid. The dirty tricks brigade are alive and > well! I found a list of shops which

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-15 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 16/12/21 12:02 am, Italo Vignoli wrote: > The GNU project is not the best source of information about Microsoft, > as they are not representing what the majority of users thinks about the > company (unfortunately). I was defending my claim that MS Office sofftware is malware and the entries

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-15 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 13/12/21 7:40 pm, Chris Whitworth wrote: > My suggestion is that we try to build as large a community as we can, > whilst recognising that the majority will not join us. It would help if we > could buy new PC's that were not already loaded with the Microxrap > operating system. I went to

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-15 Thread Italo Vignoli
The GNU project is not the best source of information about Microsoft, as they are not representing what the majority of users thinks about the company (unfortunately). If we want to convince users to avoid Microsoft we must put on the table independent sources of information, such as the

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-15 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 13/12/21 7:17 pm, Paolo Debortoli wrote: > Hi. Ms office Is not malware, but issues are clear about Company, products, us law and so on. See: > https://www.computerworld.com/article/2881635/eu-parliament-blocks-new-outlook-apps-over-privacy-concerns.html > > but they control you, create

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-15 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 13/12/21 6:20 pm, James Harking wrote: > Microsoft office is certainly not malware. It serves no purpose to spread > falsehoods. I am not spreading falsehoods. There are many entries here about Microsoft Office being a malware https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html. Also,

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-13 Thread Italo Vignoli
Unfortunately, the situation is way more complex than it seems. A few facts: 1. MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware worldwide 2. MS Office documents do not follow the OOXML pseudo-standard, as approved by ISO 3. The OOXML pseudo-standard breaks several ISO standards, such as the

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-13 Thread James Harking
Microsoft office is certainly not malware. It serves no purpose to spread falsehoods. From previous messages in this thread Microsoft are doing more than most to support open standards with their participation in Oasis. The interoperability issue for me is around Microsoft Office document

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-13 Thread Ravi
I think every time we receive a word document from someone, we should make them aware about the interoperability issues and tell them Microsoft Office is a nonfree software which is a malware. If some people switch to LibreOffice, that would be a real change. Whether people listen or not, I

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-12 Thread Shaun Bharth
I would like to be involved in a design support role if you guys dont mind. Virus-free. www.avg.com

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-12 Thread James Harking
Hi Mike, I hope you are well? Thanks for those links, I do realise that emphasis is placed on interoperability and that's great. It really is a huge issue for users of LibreOffice that work in a heterogeneous environment Regarding the suggestion about automatic mapping of fonts etc how can we

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-12 Thread Mike Saunders
Hi James, On 11.12.21 22:23, James Harking wrote: > I think in every LibreOffice release a focus on document interoperability should be emphasized It already is: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.3#Filters https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.2#Filters

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-11 Thread James Harking
The issue is that you can't include by default the Microsoft fonts as they are not freely redistributable. Users on Linux and Mac will therefore have issues with document fidelity when a Word document, for example, is sent to a LibreOffice user. This puts that user immediately at a disadvantage.

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-10 Thread James Harking
Just updating the link to the blog post by Italo I referenced previously: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/09/08/libreoffice-tt-replacing-microsoft-fonts/ Is there any impediments with shipping all of the metrically compatible fonts mentioned and create the mappings by default like

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
This is a mailing list, so either you unsubscribe or you will receive all messages exchanged by other members of the mailing list. If you want to unsubscribe, details are in the message footer. On 12/9/21 06:03, Mario Faliero wrote: Hello could you please remove me from this email exchange?

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-08 Thread James Harking
Thank you for that information Simon, I was not aware that they co-funded the specification, that shows a strong level of commitment to me, however that would make sense as the announcement of support was made the same day as the document foundation. Since a default font is not mandated in ODF

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:34 PM James Harking wrote: > I have to hand it to them their > adoption of the format was very quickly done after the Oasis ratification. > They participate in the ODF TC these days, and they co-funded the editing of the 1.3 specification with TDF and afew others, so

Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-08 Thread Shaun Bharth
Hey hey, I think James is on to something tbh: *- Where we do have the advantage is on the community and freedom aspects that truly separates LibreOffice from its proprietary counterparts. This is the area I would 'evangelise.' Although this might not be a major consideration for some as the

Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-07 Thread Simon Phipps
This recent McKinsey article does an excellent job explaining the value of open source to enterprises: https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/mckinsey-digital/our-insights/open-source-e-commerce-the-next-wave-of-value-for-the-enterprise Cheers S. On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 2:20 PM Paolo

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread James Harking
Hi Marc, I'm a huge fan of Project Libre in general, although the aesthetics have always seemed a little off to me, such as the large logo in the left corner and the icons used, nit picking I guess and just a personal opinion. What I wanted to highlight from this post is that there are a number

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread Clocked Modular
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread Marc O'Brien
Congratulations Kannan! Those are terrific numbers….. I have been a long time admirer of LibreOffice but have not commented much hope this helps…...On the topic of this thread: LibreOffice is my default desktop application. IMO, the ProjectLibre approach is actually quite similar to your

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread Kannan Moudgalya
The target audience is somebody not familiar with any office software.  We have quite a few of them even in higher educational institutions.  Some who know some aspects of word processing also do not know things like track changes, other language typing, etc. Writer instructional material is

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread Alexandr Šnajdar
Hi there, I think that we turn in round. Who should be targeted audiences ? (And what do we want to make them to do?) Regards S-) On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, 15:08 Kannan Moudgalya, wrote: > Hi All, > > We have been conducting training on the use of LibreOffice in India. > The training involves

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread Kannan Moudgalya
Hi All, We have been conducting training on the use of LibreOffice in India.  The training involves downloading LibreOffice and practising.  We could not have done this with MS Office - how could we afford so many licenses?  The number of people we trained are: Writer - 440,000 Calc -

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread James Harking
Hi all, I agree with this for the most part, I think direct comparison are difficult as the applications you can compare directly Word to Writer, Excel to Calc and PowerPoint to Impress is not the totality of Microsoft Office. So there is a significant short coming there. We do have Base and

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-06 Thread Shaun Bharth
Hey hey, Idk but I think "User Stories" might be good to feature. The UX guys probably have done some research already before they generated their personas. This can form the basis of "Who LibreOffice was designed for". I'm not sure if a feature by feature comparison would actually be effective.

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-05 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado
Hi all, Bearing in mind the topic, I would like to contribute with my opinion, which I think is very important to mention or express the facts: - Open source or FOSS; - LibreOffice runs on macOS, Linux, and Windows, - “While The Document Foundation doesn't currently offer an

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado
Hi Mike, > "(...) I think it's fair to call it a successor project (...)" If you think so, I agree :) (y) After all it`s just a word, heritor, successor, or whatever. Everybody understands ... Sometimes I'm nitpicking. And "If you spent less time nitpicking, you'd get more work done.". Cheers,

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
> Try submitting a bug report to Microsoft. They want you to pay like > (US)$40 for the privilege. Contrast this with LO and other free software > projects, where one can log into a bug tracker, submit the report, and > hear back from the developers without even touching one's wallet or > keying

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 11/29/21 10:00, Nigel Verity wrote: > A feature table is great for providing an "at a glance" list of what LO does > that MS Office doesn't. It has the unfortunate side-effect, though, of > providing a list of features for MS to build into the requirements for their > next version of Office,

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Mike Saunders
Hi Nige, On 29.11.21 17:00, Nigel Verity wrote: > A feature table is great for providing an "at a glance" list of what LO does that MS Office doesn't. It has the unfortunate side-effect, though, of providing a list of features for MS to build into the requirements for their next version of

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Mike Saunders
Hi Filipe, On 29.11.21 17:44, Filipe Gomes Morgado wrote: >"(...) how LibreOffice is by far the most actively developed successor to the OpenOffice.org project." I think successor is a very strong word to refer to someone who still has: /6 October 2021:/ Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-29 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 29/11/21 9:30 pm, Nigel Verity wrote: > There are other aspects which are less easy for MS to plagiarise, however. Try contacting Microsoft to ask for a new feature to be implemented and see how far you get either (a) contacting the person who makes such decisions or (b) succeeding in

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-29 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado
; >> LibreOffice - Free and open source office suite: LibreOffice Website< >> https://www.libreoffice.org> >> Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data >> >> ________ >> From: Mike Saunders >> Sent: 29 No

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-29 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado
and gives you back control over your data > > ____ > From: Mike Saunders > Sent: 29 November 2021 15:42 > To: Marketing list > Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" > part of new LibreOffice websit

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-29 Thread Nigel Verity
site<https://www.libreoffice.org> Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data From: Mike Saunders Sent: 29 November 2021 15:42 To: Marketing list Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of n

[libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-29 Thread Mike Saunders
Hi everyone, The website team is working on a new design (see the website list for details). One of the planned features on the front page is a "How we're different" table, providing a quick comparison with other projects: https://i.imgur.com/puBkMZz.png This could be an opportunity to show