Hi y'all,
Mike Saunders wrote:
> Well, one argument is that we have very limited resources to support two
> branches. LibreOffice 7.5 won't be around forever, so at some point we'll
> need to push people to update to 7.6/8.0, as the previous version won't be
> maintained and could potentially have
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to
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Hello,
On 06.04.23 22:12, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:
>
> Great, what's the problem? Why should we be in a rush to get existing
> users to upgrade from 7.5
Hi everyone,
After reading all the messages in this topic, and learning how experienced marketing experts are in the team, I have the following humble
thoughts.
1.
I am a techie person who is far from being a marketing expert. Therefore, take
my opinion with a grain of salt.
2.
For most
Hello,
On 06.04.23 22:12, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:
Great, what's the problem? Why should we be in a rush to get existing
users to upgrade from 7.5 to 7.6?
Well, one argument is that we have very limited resources to support two
branches. LibreOffice 7.5 won't be around forever, so at some poin
lly has
> >>> changed but I rather suspect that most users never read them.
> >>>
> >>> The discussion of the different motivators for development and
> marketing
> >>> people is very interesting. When I was a developer neither I nor
> anybody in
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To put last thing first: I'm not staunchly opposed to bumping the
version number to 8. So think of this as a theoretical discussion.
Anyway...
Noting Italo's explanation that:
> 80% (and probably more) of what we communicate is targeted to
"normal" software users, and not to community members
Nonnegligible part of MS success is trading with corporation.
Users knows that MS Office is a lot of hot air, but their emplyoer
buys the SW and they have to use it.
Not saying anything, but sometimes one could ask if a bribe does not
help a deal.
With this goes the costs - if I pay for a rolls-ro
... è pura verità !
RobertoG
Il 06/04/2023 12:06, Italo Vignoli ha scritto:
All major releases of Microsoft Office are managed by marketing, as
all major releases of proprietary software and hardware companies, and
not by developers, and are based on what you call "marketing tricks".
By t
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From: Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco
Sent: 05 April 2023 22:05
To: TDF Devs ; TDF Marketing
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to
Li
you might reason that since humans behave like herd animals, so that
when some run, all run. The stimulus evoking action must be the most
convincing, hence
the facts can be distorted.
For Libre office number eight it might suffice to claim the usual "the
changes will assure your improved exp
On 06/04/23 10:08, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:
That is exactly what I'm opposing. Let's assume that the real situation
is "boring" (I'm not sure that's the case, but still) and that, indeed,
the changes since 7 are not fundamental enough to merit a version bump
on their own (and I realize this is no
Gustavo, it seems that what you're saying is that the _reality_ is a bit
"boring" - a long sequence of minor releases without a
fundamental/breakthrough change; and there is a desire to make it more
interesting/exciting using a major version bump.
That is exactly what I'm opposing. Let's assum
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Movi
Hi Eyal, all!
I also respectfully disagree with you on some points. ;D
I like the idea to move to 8, even with no big technical innovation (if we
have, for sure it will be better).
IMHO, long sequences of minor releases (7.6, in the current case) are
getting boring and not important for the u
Gentlemen & Gentlewomen...
It's easy to assume a passive role, sit, watch and criticize...
All LibreOffice contributors have been doing more than an extraordinary
job. Lets not cloud our minds with trivial issues. Let's continue moving
forward.
All the best to all...
--
Jorge E. Restrepo
On Tu
HOLA, sólo como usuario, adhiero a los conceptos de Eyal Rozenberg.
De: Eyal Rozenberg
Enviado: martes, 28 de marzo de 2023 4:17
Para: it...@libreoffice.org ; TDF Devs
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Asunto: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving
I totally understand Italo's frustration. I also hate when I am expected to make a decision and people, who were absolutely silent and
indifferent before, suddenly start to verbalise their opinion, which "happens to be" different from mine.
Regarding the version number, I think people who liked
I have been asked to provide my opinion by developers, who seem to think that
the change of version has to be a marketing decision. As I have said quite
clearly, I am pissed off by the current situation, where I am asked to take a
decision and then I am blamed because I take one. I leave the dec
Sirs (& ladies?),
As an ironical kick in the soft underbelly of commercial progams one
might emphasise that there also are trivial changes warranting a
numerical advance.
ExampleS: say that Libre office text now starts with Capitalis
Quadrata(in the shape of Times new roman) rather than the
I respectfully disagree with Italo.
First, about the "frame of reference". In my opinion, decisions such as
major version number bumping are not, first and foremost, marketing
decisions. That is a _consideration_, since the version number is
declarative than technical. But - such an action sho
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