Re: [Marxism] Examples of the use of force by American forces against its citizens.

2009-09-12 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
2009/9/11 Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com: Jeez, when have they not Almost every act of violence against native peoples included violence against some U.S. citizens who were living among them.  But, I mean, if we see the state as a mechanism for the repression of the society in general

Re: [Marxism] Examples of the use of force by American forces against its citizens

2009-09-12 Thread Terry Burke
Re: Examples of the use of force by American forces against its citizens -- Republic Steel, Memorial Day in Chicago in 1937 See: http://www.trussel.com/hf/republic.htm -- ...Por lo largo que un clase son dueños de la

Re: [Marxism] India: An Update from Lalgarh

2009-09-12 Thread Politicus E.
Ragesh Roy wrote: my remark was a criticism of Maoist violence in Bengal, and their opportunistic alliance with Mamta Banerjee against the CPI(M).. I support the CPI(M).. over the last five days, about 15 people including CPI(M) cadre have been murdered by these petty criminals who dream of

[Marxism] Protest gay marriage at HRC Twin Citiies dinner

2009-09-12 Thread David Thorstad
I do hope the liberal leftists on the list who support marriage, hate crimes laws, and gays in the imperialist military won't accuse these same-sexer antimarriage protesters of being right-wing, as a few have accused me of being for opposing those things (bizarrely labeled democratic demands).

Re: [Marxism] India: An Update from Lalgarh

2009-09-12 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
Anyone who has been to West Bengal or anywhere in the Red Corridor would know that there is little support for the Maoists among the Indian working class. I can't testify to the level of support that they have with peasants and among groups suffering from the fractious and uneven growth that

Re: [Marxism] Examples of the use of force by American forces against its citizens.

2009-09-12 Thread Mark Lause
I agree that the way this question is formulated it restricts its concerns to citizens--which, through much of history, means almost only white and only men--which minimizes the answers in many ways. Anyone on a Marxism list should seriously consider the merits of letting the computer cool down

[Marxism] The Power of the State (was: Hate crimes, again)

2009-09-12 Thread Jeff
John, We've both expressed our views and I don't want to drag this out repeating ourselves. However I do want to address one conceptual error which you express and which others have expressed in regards to this and other issues where legislation is involved. But first let me emphatically

[Marxism] Protest gay marriage at HRC Twin Cities dinner

2009-09-12 Thread David Thorstad
Thanks for this. I will spread the word. HRC and the gay bourgeois groups who are pushing for marriage, hate crimes laws, and joining the imperialist military machine seem to care only about glbt identity politics, that is, only issues that narrowly address the agenda of assimilation into

Re: [Marxism] Protest gay marriage at HRC Twin Citiies dinner

2009-09-12 Thread Lynn MacDonald
David Thorstad wrote: I do hope the liberal leftists on the list who support marriage, hate crimes laws, and gays in the imperialist military won't accuse these same-sexer antimarriage protesters of being right-wing, as a few have accused me of being for opposing those things (bizarrely

[Marxism] Examples of the use of force by American forces against its citizens

2009-09-12 Thread Ernie Halfdram
Well, there was the Move bombing in Philadelphia in May 1985. Also see: Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas (Littlefield, Adams Quality Paperback) by Leonard A. Cole No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus

[Marxism] CANADA'S APPOINTMENT WITH HISTORY

2009-09-12 Thread Nchamah Miller
CANADA'S APPOINTMENT WITH HISTORY http://nchamahmiller.blogspot.com/2009/09/canadas-appointment-with-history. html Sept 12, 2009 TO: THE HON. MEMBER OF THE OPPOSITION - Michael Ignatieff THE HON. CRITIC OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Bob Rae THE HON. MEMBERS OF THE LIBERAL PARTY IN CAUCUS FROM:

Re: [Marxism] Protest gay marriage at HRC Twin Citiies dinner

2009-09-12 Thread kersplebedeb
methinks Lynn is misunderstanding David's position unless i am mistaken, David is gay, and his objection is not rooted in any opposition to people finding happiness in same-sex relationships, it is in the decision of the leadership of the GLBTQA movement to focus on hate crimes legislation as

[Marxism] Examples of the use of force by American forces against its citizens

2009-09-12 Thread Pat Costello
1967 Detroit Riots: the National Guard and the Army were sent into the Black community. A friend of mine who lived there at the time described how the national guard arrived in tanks that went down narrow streets, flattening any cars in the way. He said that he witnessed a sniper shoot at the

[Marxism] Examples of the use of force by American forces against its citizens

2009-09-12 Thread nada
The National Guard went through a series of protocol restructuring back in the late 1970s and continues more or less through this day. Where as the NG in the past, 1960s, including anyone who signed up, it is organized much differently today. NG units that go into riot areas are no longer your

[Marxism] This Rewriting of History is Spreading Europe's Poison

2009-09-12 Thread Dennis Brasky
By Seumas Milne The Guartdian (UK) September 9, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/09/second-world-war-soviet-pact The late Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara said it well: “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no

[Marxism] Ellsberg's Memoirs of JFK War Planning

2009-09-12 Thread Dennis Brasky
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090910_a_hundred_holocausts_an_insiders_window_into_us_nuclear_policy/ YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at:

Re: [Marxism] This Rewriting of History is Spreading Europe's Poison

2009-09-12 Thread Shane Mage
On Sep 13, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Dennis Brasky wrote: By Seumas Milne The Guartdian (UK) September 9, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/09/second-world-war-soviet-pact Stalin's pact with Hitler did indeed set off the war. But without that pact the war would have broken

[Marxism] this is a fight that a left party would champion!

2009-09-12 Thread Dennis Brasky
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/13water.html?_r=1em The late Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara said it well: “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” YOU MUST

[Marxism] The recession's racial divide

2009-09-12 Thread Dennis Brasky
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13ehrenreich.html?pagewanted=1 The late Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara said it well: “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.”

[Marxism] Michael Moore, Anti-Union

2009-09-12 Thread Ernest Leif
I'm sure many of those reading this post will run out to see Michael Moore's new movie, Capitalism: A Love Story, soon after it hits theaters. If and when you do, please keep in mind that his production company, Dog Eat Dog Films, refuses to sigh a union contract with any of the IATSE locals that

[Marxism-Thaxis] The State and Revolution

2009-09-12 Thread c b
And yet, concretely, we are in many ways at an historical anti-pole with the situation in Russia in 1917. Lenin might chastise me for dogmatic reference to _The State and Revolution_ given that the South and Central American revolution has organized the working class majorities in many countries

[Marxism-Thaxis] Intensive versus extensive design for Soviet Legacy

2009-09-12 Thread Waistline2
Quote From 1966 to 1970, under Leonid Brezhnev, the GNP held around 5.3 per year. Then during 1971 to 1975 the GNP fell, averaging 3.7 growth per year. And after 1975 the GNP fell to a growth of between 2.6 and 2.7 percent per year. In these years production around the world was growing

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The State and Revolution

2009-09-12 Thread Shane Mage
On Sep 12, 2009, at 11:31 AM, c b wrote: Lenin might chastise me for dogmatic reference to _The State and Revolution_ given that the South and Central American revolution has organized the working class majorities in many countries so as to use the bourgeois-democratic electoral/mass

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The State and Revolution

2009-09-12 Thread Waistline2
Why would Lenin chastise you for using his exact characterization of the seizure of state power by the bourgeois democratic majorities, that he described in Imperialism? Lenin characterized this exact same process as expressing the meaning of semi-colony or having not broken out of the value

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] what are GM unions up to?

2009-09-12 Thread Phil Walden
Can you tell me what VEBA stands for in the response that you were given? Phil Walden On 9/9/09, Phil Walden phil at pwalden.fsnet.co.uk wrote: I have the GM bankruptcy petition in front of me and under an item

[Marxism-Thaxis] Red Medicine (1)

2009-09-12 Thread Waistline2
(I would argue, that not all USSR citizens had access to health care. If we think of the fact that about 10% of the USSR in 1956 had NO electricity, then you ought to think again about how wide spread the benefits of a planned economy actually reacted). The spurring on of WWII caused the