[Marxism-Thaxis] Dialectics of Nature

Note: Engels sort of one sentence definition of dialectics is the "science of interconnections". Most discussions of dialectics don't even mention this emphasis, rather quantity to quality to quantity, contradiction, change are emphasized. CB Engels' Dialectics of Nature II. Dialectics (T

[Marxism-Thaxis] Lenin on Dialectics

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

Waistline2 * My question is how does heating water to a boiling point change the quality of water rather than its form? I agree that the form of a thing can change in front of its constituent parts. What quality of H2O has changed? ^ CB: I think there is a problem with

[Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

Oudeyis : For Hegel, and I assume for Marx and Engels, regular incremental changes (magnitude) does not turn into quality, but rather at some critical point, a new quality emerges out of and negates regular incremental change. ^ CB: I said quantitative change turns into qualitative _chan

[Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

Oudeyis For Hegel and for Marx and Engels, regular incremental changes (magnitude) do not turn into quality, CB: When you say "do not turn into quality" , do you mean " do not turn into qualitative change " ? ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list

[Marxism-Thaxis] Lenin on Dialectics

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Dialectics of Nature

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Does Gödel Matter?

Let's face it constitutions and also law, for that matter, ain't what Locke and the founding fathers thought them to be. Of course, we don't need Gödel to tell us that. Victor %% CB: I think Hegel mentions math and jurisprudence as prime areas of the operation of formal logic. __

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Does Gödel Matter?

> > %% > CB: I think Hegel mentions math and jurisprudence as prime areas of the > operation of formal logic. > > VFR: True enough, but I've a strong feeling that there's more to the lawlessness of laws and constitutions than formal logic. > ^^ CB: I'm curious to hear your discussion of

[Marxism-Thaxis] Dominant Worldview is Bourgeousie

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Does Gödel Matter?

Ralph Dumain I'm not aware that he was a social critic, but according to Rebecca Goldstein, he was a first class metaphysical control freak, leaving nothing to ambiguity or contingency. I don't know whether Godel would say anything about law, but surely it hardly holds up to the standards of form

[Marxism-Thaxis] godel etc

Crosspost on Goedel (( So we can say that Godel et al, do for Enlighment mathematics and logic what Marx et al did to philosophy? )) Gödel's work was important but not as generally applicable as one might think. In the early years of the 20th century, Bertrand Russell, Alfred North Whitehea

[Marxism-Thaxis] godel etc

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Les Shaffer on Kurt Gödel

On Marxmail, there was also the following post on this thread. In it, Carlos suggests Goedel's work as an expression of Leninist epistemology in mathematics. So, perhaps "incompleteness" is an expression of Engels and Lenin's dialectic of absolute and relative truth, and their metaphor of the ma

[Marxism-Thaxis] godel etc (was ...)

Carlos A. Rivera >Les: > In some fundamental sense human (mathematical) activity > cannot be reduced to formalism alone, such formal systems are incomplete. So we can say that Godel et al, do for Enlighment mathematics and logic what Marx et al did to philosophy? -clip- Cybernetics and d

[Marxism-Thaxis] More Godel

Michael Perelman: Mirowski says that Godel's proof rattled both Turing & Van Neuman, making them turn from formalizing to matters such as game theory & computers. -clip- CB: As Carlos on Marxmail suggested might be pertinent to this: "The question whether objective truth can be attributed

[Marxism-Thaxis] Does Gödel Matter?

Oudeyis victor > > CB: I think Hegel mentions math and jurisprudence as prime areas of the > > operation of formal logic. > > > > VFR: True enough, but I've a strong feeling that there's more to the > lawlessness of laws and constitutions than formal logic. > > > > ^^ > CB: I'm curious to

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[Marxism-Thaxis] More Godel

My opinion is that this sort of analogical reasoning doesn't work well here, i.e. when we are talking about formal mathematical systems. CB: Why , would you say, formal mathematical systems don't "fit" this ? What's "special" about mathematical systems that makes them an exception to the Ma

[Marxism-Thaxis] More Godel

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Does Gödel Matter?

Oudeyis > CB: Heisenberg was on good terms with the Nazis. > > >From what I can tell, Goedel was not progressive , but sort of apolitical. I > think the article I posted here on Goedel and Einstein as buddies at > Princeton said that some Nazis beatup Goedel at one point. Also, for what > its wo

[Marxism-Thaxis] Goedel/HUP

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Nature, Society, and Thought

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Two-thirds of world's resources 'used up'

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Crosspost :>) Charles [Marxism] O, Dialectics! Jim Farmelant It looks like that we are getting on Marxmail, reprisals of some of the great debates concerning Marxist philosophy. In this case, debates over the nature and scope of dialectics and whether or not there is such a thing as the diale

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Jim Farmelant : -clip- Frank believed that Ernst Mach had exposed the inadequacies of the mechanistic world-view (and indeed there was some convergence between Mach's arguments on that matter and Engels'). And he saw Mach's critique of m

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Ralph Dumain Clip- Engels characterized dialectics as the science of universal interconnection and elsewhere as the process of analysis and synthesis. He had the right idea, which entails a far more subtle level of analysis than the infamous three dialectical laws and hosts of silly examples

[Marxism-Thaxis] Dialogue on Godel from Marxmail

Rod Holt : Nature magazine (5/5/05) has published a review of Rebecca Goldstein's * Incompleteness, * which has received so much attention on this list. The author Martin Davis quietly remarks that, "She writes with a light touch that readers are sure to enjoy, although they should be warn

marxistphilosophy] Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

> Charles: However, there is > > also in the book a clear description of a meeting between Einstein and Mach late in Mach's life, out of which Einstein firmly disagrees with Mach on the issue of the reality of atoms. > Justin: Right. Mach was the last skeptic. Einstein won his > Nobel by

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Ralph Dumain Any of these in turn: false, trivial, elementary. CB: Taking these in turn gives a kind of silly result. False is the opposite of elementary, elementary meaning a basic _truth_. Trivial means true too. ^ The silliest examples are those which make little sense: the s

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

euristics, but in context of this discussion, I would again bring up Gerald Holton's notion of themata. ^^ CB: I'll look for notion of themata At 11:17 AM 5/24/2005 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: >Ralph Dumain > >Any of these in turn: false, trivial, elementary. > >

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Ralph Dumain _ . I don't think it was just the existence of atoms at stake. Mach was stuck in the rut of phenomenalism. Dodging the materialist position, Mach attempted to redefine matter as permanent possibilities of sensation. ^^ CB: Yes, agree. Lenin's critique of Mach is mor

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Oudeyis: For Hegel human thought should include the entire realm of human science and could not be examined by examining the operations of a single human mind. CB: I think this distinction really fundamental. This is the fundamental, defining error of positivism, and I think, pragmatism

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

[Marxism-Thaxis] Oudeyis > -clip- Describing their accomplishment in a dialectical form, the materialism of Marx, Engels and Lenin is not a statement about the world but about the unity of logical and physical and sensual activity in human labour (practice). NOTE, THAT THE ISSUE OF THE RELEVA

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Steve Gabosch quotes: Men can be distinguished from animals by consciousness, by religion or anything else you like. They themselves begin to distinguish themselves from animals as soon as they begin to produce their means of subsistence, a step which is conditioned by their physical orga

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

How about objective reality exists ( Lenin's definition of materialism in _Materialism and Empirio-Criticism_) and we only know objective reality through practice , or our interaction with it beyond contemplation ( First and Second Theses on Feuerbach). Lenin formulated the idea of objective r

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Ralph Dumain RALPH: Well, specifically, how does the progression plant-seed-plant constitute the negation of negation? How does the physiology of plant reproduction correlate to a logical relationship? Is not the burden of proof on a person making a positive assertion to indicate why

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[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Steve Gabosch Charles, in that quote from German Ideology below, M&E refer to producing their *means* of subsistence, as in means of production, not the subsistence itself, as in gathered berries or hunted game, which as you point out humans did not domesticate until quite recently. CB:

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

A little more on the below. The flower starts out as a bud, which is podlike, as many seeds are. In this regard ,it can be seen as a "seed" at a higher level of itself,a sublated seed. Also, in many plants, the next generation of seeds actually comes from the flower,another way in which it is a

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Lil Joe: Rather Idealistic, Charles. ^ CB: I think not. Idealism/materialism doesn't really arise as an issue until the occurrence of class divided societies and the antagonism between mental and physical labor. See rest of response to Steve. The question of what defines humans from their pri

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Thanks much, Steve,for the encouragment. I will take you up on it. I , actually, have written out some closely related ideas which critique these early sections of _The German Ideology_ ( which , of course, was not published as it was a bit of thinking out loud for themselves by the young Marx

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Actually , this essay ( rough copy here) is not on the issue that Steve suggested I develop. But it does deal with the anthropological passages at the beginning of _The German Ideology_ that are close to the one Steve first adduced for discussion. As I read this essay, I am claiming that M and E

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Steve: Charles, your logic below unsuccessfully explains the relationship between human biology and human society. You merely repeat something no one disputes. All animals reproduce, just as they all breathe, and would die without doing so. But only humans produce - and probably would not eve

[Marxism-Thaxis] O! Dialectics

RE Lil Joe joe_radical Lil Joe: Here, Charles, I think we have a major disagreement as far as Marxian materialism is concerned. Marx never wrote of 'materialism' and 'idealism' as a discussion outside the context of the materialist conception of history. ^ CB: He discusses materialism in "Th

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Victor victor Of course objectivity reality exists, but we have to realize that what Marx, Lenin and other intelligent Marxists like Ilyenkov meant by objective reality is not reality contemplated by some totally uninvolved philosophical being. Just the reverse is true objective reality is on

[Marxism-Thaxis] Labor Theory of Human Origins was:O, Dialectics!

Yes, I have Reed's books on these issues. The International edition of _The Origin of the Family_ has an updating intro by anthropologist Eleanor Leacock. The Manifesto of the Communist Party has one modification of its famous first line, done by Engels later in life. There is a footnote modifying

[Marxism-Thaxis] Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

to Dawkin's projection of the mechanics of >population genetics to the science of culture (memics and all that). CB: Interestingly this "memics" thing reminds of both Levi-Strauss and Marvin Harris who analogized to the idea in phoneme, with the emphasis on "eme", from phonetics and linguist

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Charles Brown Victor victor Of course objectivity reality exists, but we have to realize that what Marx, Lenin and other intelligent Marxists like Ilyenkov meant by objective reality is not reality contemplated by some totally uninvolved philosophical being. Just the reverse is true

[Marxism-Thaxis] Marx & Engels on Skepticism & Praxis

I notice you start with the second thesis on Feuerbach. Any reason not to include the first thesis where the terms "practical-critical activity" or praxis occur ? Charles ^^ Ralph Dumain I'm assembling some key quotes relevant to recent discussions on these lists and also to projects I'm

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/31/05 07:48AM >>> > >>from page 283: >>"A consistently materialist conception of thought, of course, alters the >>approach to the key problems of logic in a cardinal way, in particular to >>interpretation of the nature of logical categories. Marx and Engels >>establis

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

Steve Gabosch On CB's second comment, about the subject matter of Marxist psychology, I think it is true that a dialectical materialist psychology must begin with sociology and social psychology, and the study of the individual must be based on sociology and social psychology - and as CB I thi

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

Ilyenkov explains that plain materialists and idealists alike make the > error of viewing the boundary between the material and the ideal as being > the world of the inside versus that of the outside of each individual > human head. In contrast, he argues that according to dialectical > materialis

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

And to be more precise, Oudeyis, I think the point below is that the matter of deriving the materiality discussed here based on what is "outside" of a concrete individual's head, and a concrete individual's interaction with her non-human "outside" is a main error of positivism and much bourgeois

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

Victor > As I see it, the key concept in this regard that Ilyenkov offers is that just as Marx discovered how social relations can be "embodied" into things in the form of commodities - through the incorporation of abstract labor into the value-form - so too, Marxists can explain that social rel

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

Victor The social relations are not embodied in a particular coat or in a particular bale of linen. These are material objects whose concreteness are beyond the capacity of human conceptualisation. After all a particular linen coat may have been made by an apprentice and taken twice as long

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

Steve Gabosch a) where is ideality "located"? I would answer a) "in cultural artifacts," using the term in its broadest possible sense (tools, signs, all human creations and observations, etc.) I think you would answer a) "in representations." ^ CB: How about in the relationship between

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

uction in response to changing natural conditions. Oudeyis CB: We need ethical theory to answer , once again, the question "what is to be done ?" - Original Message - From: "Charles Brown" http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis> > To: &q

[Marxism-Thaxis] The Part played by Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man

In re, discussion of difference between apes and man (sic). "in a sense, we have to say that labour created man himself." Yes, but as Marx had said in _Capital_ , human labor is distinguished by its planning in imagination ahead of time, making it thickly social. It is activity saturated with t

[Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

Victor: Ilyenkov (and I suggest Marx as well) argue that the ideal originates as a tool for regulation of social life and only later is appropriated (hijacked may be too strong a word) to the purposes of describing material reality (labour activity). CB: I'm not so sure about this. At the or

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Victor The second comment is based on Marx's discussion of the role of direct cooperation in the initial development of social labour. See Economic Manuscripts 1861-63 Section 3 Relative Surplus Value Notebook IV Cooperation. Marx discussion is interesting because his discussion of crude

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