Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Working class

2005-02-25 Thread Waistline2
6. Are teachers in the working class ? Do teachers create value ? Can teachers be exploited ( and who will teach the teacher?) ? Same question about office workers, clerks, secretaries, nurses, garbage pickup workers, water plant workers, public lighting workers, et al Reply WL: No . . .

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Working class - doctrine

2005-02-25 Thread Waistline2
This development presents todays revolutionaries with a particular opportunity. As the objective movement against private property and for everything from food to housing to health care broadens, it will encompass many different interpretations and expressions. Today communism is the program

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Working class - mode of production

2005-02-25 Thread Waistline2
MODE OF PRODUCTION (Marx) : Everything that goes into the production of the necessities of life, including the productive forces (labor, instruments, and raw material) and the relations of production (the social structures that regulate the relation between humans in the production of goods.

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Working class

2005-02-25 Thread Waistline2
WL: I do not understand the concept mode of production to mean a set of property relations but rather, the specific shape of the productive forces and the technological regime as primary, with the property relations within. ^ CB: Well, again this crystalizes our difference. I understand

[Marxism-Thaxis] Population Growth - cry of the bourgeoisie

2005-02-25 Thread Waistline2
UN Predicts 9.1 Billion People on Earth by 2050 By Evelyn Leopold Reuters Friday 25 February 2005 United Nations - The human race is expected to swell from the current 6.5 billion to 9.1 billion people by 2050, with populations exploding in hungry developing countries

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Working class - mode of production. workers cant overthrow

2005-02-25 Thread Waistline2
Mode of production in material life I follow the Marxism list and was pleasantly surprised to read the replies to Charles inquiry. One author stated: Specifically, he (Marx) argues it is the way in which surplus-labour is extracted and appropriated that is the fulcrum of the social order. But

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Working class

2005-02-24 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/24/2005 12:57:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Is the working class declining ? 2. What defines membership in the working class ? 3. Does the working class include others besides wagelaborers in material production ? 4. Do wagelaborers outside of

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Working class - mode of production

2005-02-24 Thread Waistline2
CB: The Marxist idea is that the working class is the only class that can overthrow capitalism, and that in the process it abolishes itself as a class, and all classes. WL: OK . . . these Marxists should follow their heart and convert their belief into a strategy or strategic approach to the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Technology Revolution: dialectic of the leap

2005-02-23 Thread Waistline2
Last century, machines proved they could replace human muscle. This century, technologies are proving they can outperform human left brains - they can execute sequential, reductive, computational work better, faster, and more accurately than even those with the highest IQs. (Just ask chess

[Marxism-Thaxis] Something Different

2005-02-22 Thread Waistline2
Something Completely Different, A Story Snow Angel I know I couldn't have gotten out of the State Supreme Court building any faster, but it wasn't fast enough. The elevator couldn't come quickly enough and I couldn't wait. The stairs weren't close, but I didn't care and I banged through the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Black History Month: 2001

2005-02-21 Thread Waistline2
African American History Month: African Americans are the key to democracy for all By Nelson Peery The Supreme Court's appointing George W. Bush as president of the United States threw the Democratic Party and the independent political organizations into an uproar. President Clinton

[Marxism-Thaxis] The Changing Form Of The State -Where the rubber meets the road

2005-02-21 Thread Waistline2
The Changing Form Of The State Demands the LRNA Disperse To Connect With Revolutionaries December 2004 Steering Committee Report Bush's victory in the 2004 presidential election signals that the pace of the process of transforming the governmental machinery to accommodate the national and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The Technology Revolution: dialectic of the leap - leap ...

2005-02-21 Thread Waistline2
CB: Can we say this polarization is an expression of Marx's absolute law of capitalist accumulation ? WL: I would think so. What is different is how this law continues to unfold in a changed backdrop. That is to say the backdrop during Marx life was the transition from agriculture to industry

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Portuguese Socialists Win Landslide Electoral Victory

2005-02-21 Thread Waistline2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Socialist 'victory' is meaningless, unless and until the Socialist Party members of parliament legislates the transfer of the productive forces and financial institutions from the private possessions of the capitalist class, to the public possession of the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Portuguese Socialists Win Landslide Electoral Victory

2005-02-21 Thread Waistline2
Monday, February 21st, 2005 The Undiscovered Malcolm X: Stunning New Info on the Assassination, His Plans to Unite the Civil Rights and Black Nationalist Movements the 3 'Missing' Chapters from His Autobiography Listen to Segment || Download Show mp3 Watch 128k stream Watch 256k

[Marxism-Thaxis] Marxism and the National Factor - African American History (2)

2005-02-21 Thread Waistline2
President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under enormous political and moral pressure, made Negro History Week official in the 1940s. It was conceived to teach the other Americans about the special contributions African Americans made to the development of our country. Special interests soon saw

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Tragedy of the Commons

2005-02-19 Thread Waistline2
CORRECTION: overgrazing by the common people did NOT occur. sorry. Comment Upon first regarding of comments on Global warming: tragedy of the commons revisited (s. artesian) I had made the mental correction based on many of your previous writings and comments which generally and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Applied Dialectics of Change

2005-02-19 Thread Waistline2
Entering an Epoch of Social Revolution Including additional essays Dialectics of the Leap and the Destruction of Capitalism and... Polarization in U.S. -- Basis for a Workers Party (c) Copyright April, 1993 Workers Press P.O. Box 3705 Chicago, IL 60654 full:

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Applied Dialectics of Change

2005-02-19 Thread Waistline2
Institute Resource Paper #4 The Shape of History: Historical Materialism, Electronics and Value full: http://www.scienceofsociety.org/inbox/res4.html Marxism is, first and foremost, the science of society. Through examination and experimentation, by applying theory through practice and, through

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Black Hisotry Month: African Americans and the Struggle for a New Society

2005-02-19 Thread Waistline2
African Americans and the Struggle for a New Society African American history is the heart of American history. This is true because the manipulation and the exploitation of African Americans, along with their ceaseless struggle for freedom and equality, has somehow been at the center of

[Marxism-Thaxis] Detroit: Water Held Hostage

2005-02-19 Thread Waistline2
Detroit: Water Held Hostage By Maureen Taylor Editor's note: Maureen Taylor, at right, chairperson of the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization, made the speech below at the Water for People Not for Profit workshop at the 2004 World Social Forum in Boston. Maureen discusses Michigan's

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Black Hisotry Month: Watts 1965, turning point

2005-02-19 Thread Waistline2
The historical significance of the Watts uprising August 2000 by Nelson Peery August 11 marks the 35th anniversary of the Watts rebellion. Why did it happen? Armed, mass uprisings are a specific stage of struggle against an oppressing state power. In the struggle against violent

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Black Hisotry Month: 1999

2005-02-19 Thread Waistline2
African American History Month's true meaning By Nelson Peery African American history is the heart of the history of our country. Understanding the exploitation and political maneuvering of the black minority of the population is key to understanding American history. Political control of the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Sickle Cell

2005-02-18 Thread Waistline2
CB: I think the shape of the cell is not the direct cause of the disease. Rather the shape and the cause are both caused by a third element. CB: This is LaMarckian CB: Speak for yourself. Reply I do apologize for giving the impression I was speaking for others. I speak exclusively for myself

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Sickle Cell/cure and conception

2005-02-18 Thread Waistline2
www.expressnutritononline.com tel: (305) 345-6135 fax: (305) 252 -4060 As the saying goes the proof is in the pudding, rather than a theoretical conception. Any sickle cell sufferer can immediately move towards a healthier life for less than $100 . . . today . . . in real time. If I was in

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Marxism-Thaxis Digest, Vol 16, Issue 13

2005-02-17 Thread Waistline2
My understanding is that those who are homozygous for sickle cell gene have the disease regardless of diet. CB Reply My point is that the sickle cell is not a disease. The shape of the cell is not the disease. It is the environment of the cell that produces the disease state and not the

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Sickle Cell again

2005-02-17 Thread Waistline2
I read the material on sickle cell anemia. If they were right they would and could cure the disease. The conception of the disease is wrong. Iron phosphate concentrates cure the diseased state of the blood, not the shape of the cell and this has been proven by the authors I quoted. The disease

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: dialectic approach to consumption

2005-02-16 Thread Waistline2
CB: Sickle cell is not caused by overeating. It is genetically based. WL: The issue posed was not the shape of the cell (sickle cell), but sickle cell as an anemia or blood disease. Here is what was stated: Even sickle cell anemia is an anemia . . . blood disease of over consumption or lack

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: African American History Month: 2005 (1)

2005-02-16 Thread Waistline2
African American History Month is once again upon us. There are incredible historical depiction of the history of the African American paying on all major television channels and excellent historical events on the cable channels as well as PBS. The scope and debt of these television specials

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Marxism-Thaxis Digest, Vol 16, Issue 11

2005-02-15 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/15/2005 1:00:51 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Healthy life expectancy is currently being redefined. I would like to get at least another 30 years of healthy living and die when the electrical charge of most of my cells fade. Everything we eat is

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: African American History Month

2005-02-15 Thread Waistline2
African American History Month (The below excerpt is more than a decade old but perhaps the best concise statement of the African American National Factor) Waistline AFRICAN AMERICAN LIBERATION AND REVOLUTION IN THE UNITED STATES From the field, to the factory, to the street By Nelson

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Selected reference on the African American National Factor and Context

2005-02-15 Thread Waistline2
full: http://www.lrna.org/texts/movingon/movingon.14.html Benedict, Ruth, Race: Science and Politics, Viking Press, 7th edition, 1968. [first published in 1940] Discover, Special issue on the Science of Race, November 1994. Galeano, Eduardo, Memory of Fire: Genesis, Pantheon Books, 1985.

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Carrying capacity discussion

2005-02-09 Thread Waistline2
CB: Is population outrunning the capacity of the earth to sustain us with bourgeois social relations ? If we don't change the social relations, what do you predict will happen? Also, do you say Mark Jones' approach did not include changing social relations ? Reply: No. The

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Speaking for myself - imperial theory-Arithmetic increase of food production

2005-02-09 Thread Waistline2
C.B.: Malthusian, or neo-neo-Malthusian as Waistline says, gets used indiscriminately , but not specifically the theory that the population increases geometrically and the food supply increases arithmetically. Basically, the definition of Malthusian put forth here is that any argument that

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Carrying capacity of earth/Slander (2) Sartesian idiocy

2005-02-04 Thread Waistline2
Me: What the modern students and folks who drift into Malthusianism present is an equation that examines food production capacity and living requirements (human needs) as energy conversion and resource use and depletion and multiply this by an expanding population. They arrive at the

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Carrying capacity of the earth/Slander

2005-02-03 Thread Waistline2
CB: Again to keep using this phrase becomes willful slander and misrepresention. Too many is always a relative term. Too many relative to what ? We may reach a point that there are too many people to keep warm, make food for relative to the amount of fuel by way of a fossil fuel based

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Tom Franks forgot me.

2005-02-02 Thread Waistline2
(the following was sent 2-2-2005 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ) Tom Franks forgot me. A humor letter calling for violence, torture, and even death for leading leftists who dare oppose Bush's war on terror and the slaughter in Iraq smacks of American fascism. Those

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Carrying Capacity of the earth . . . again

2005-02-02 Thread Waistline2
Restraining the growth of consumption does not mean going back to living in caves and cooking over buffalo-chip fires. For decades in the rich nations increased consumption has not been correlated with increased satisfaction, and perpetuating Third World poverty is a luxury that the

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Carrying capacity of the earth

2005-02-01 Thread Waistline2
Sartesian's refusal to acknowledge that Mark's approach assumes the absolute necessity of socialist revolution as a premise to avoid ecological disaster makes his argumentation irrationally contentious in the form of arguing with a straw man. It is dishonest. Then to go into all that

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Leninism and the National Factor or Black capitalists as a movement

2005-02-01 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/31/2005 1:01:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CB: There are subjective and objective aspects. I'm thinking that petit bourgeois more accurately describes the objective status of the Negro entrepreneurs of this time period, as well as the realistic

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: The Negro and his Nemesis - James Foreman

2005-01-30 Thread Waistline2
Quickly note: CB . . . James Foreman recently passed and much material appeared concerning his place in history. Herb Boyd did an article on Foreman and one appeared on the Black Commentator. The bulk of much of his later day political activity took place in Detroit. For various political

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: The Negro and His Nemesis

2005-01-28 Thread Waistline2
From the standpoint of the October Revolution and its political affirmation and aftermath this is the period of the Negro Bourgeois Democratic National Movement. The Negro Bourgeois Democratic National Movement was by definition different from the movement of the industrial working class

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: US and Iraq

2005-01-26 Thread Waistline2
I forget who wrote the article, and who posted it, but can you or anyone repost, or send me articles on how the U.S. is fanning flames of Civil War in Iraq? Please!! Thank you!!! [the more the better]I need it! Lil Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply Don't know if this helps but our own Henry

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Coleman Young, National Factor, Our history, UAW

2005-01-23 Thread Waistline2
CB: You know you right, and in Hardstuff, Coleman, of course, let Reuther have it. I don't know if you remember, but when the preliminary copies of Hardstuff came out many months before its mass publication, the UAW (now this is the mid 90's , 25 plus years after Reuther was dead, and after

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Coleman Young and National Factor

2005-01-22 Thread Waistline2
As famous as Coleman Young is in Detroit, very few people know that he was a CPUSA official. When the House UnAmerican Activities Committee called him before it, they had the right one, baby. He was a top Red. And he chased them out of town and they never came back. Reply This part of

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Church Work and Marx materialism as praxis

2005-01-21 Thread Waistline2
Lil Joe: (!) Work in the Church is disseminating superstition, and politically reactionary anti-materialist, counter-revolutionary ideologies and politics, such as pragmatism, TINA, and 'political middle' of the roadism as a buffer of ruling class protection in the working class whereas trade

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Lil Joe and Politics

2005-01-20 Thread Waistline2
Waistline's statement that 'Practical politics are never to be confused with theoretical Marxism' only shows his own ignorance and confusion regarding the Marxian praxis epistemology of materialism, class war and proletarian social revolution! Comment Actually, I believe that I have shown my

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: correction

2005-01-20 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/19/2005 5:05:59 PM Central Standard Time, Waistline2 writes: Further, Reuther opposed Civil Rights for a very long time and only shifted his position concerning Civil Rights within the union and outside the union as the result of immense pressure. He died opposing

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: NNCL

2005-01-20 Thread Waistline2
(This phase of history of the trade union movement is bound up with the white chauvinism and wrong orientation of the CPUSA and the SWP - and government attack and penetration, that allowed for the political vacuum of the time.) ^^ CB: The National Negro Labor Council was the CPUSA.

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Lil Joe - Malcolm X advocating Race War is lunacy

2005-01-19 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/19/2005 1:00:38 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Waistline: All classes of African Americans were in motion and the white sector of the industrial proletariat was passive. Lil Joe: Where does this history come from? In reality in the 50s and 60s the

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Correction

2005-01-19 Thread Waistline2
Correction: I identified the cartoonist of the old Muhammad Speaks as John 2x and believe his name was brother Gerald 2X . . . I think. Sorry about any confusion this might cause. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Lil Joe and facts about our history, black people

2005-01-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/17/2005 1:01:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The League of Black Revolutionaries and Communist League was led by Nelson Perry into (League of Revolutionaries [or something like that, that still put out People's Tribune which appears regularly on

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re:Lil Joe Haiti-Stan Goff

2005-01-17 Thread Waistline2
Part 2 Sorry, but I have little tolerance - as polemic, on whether or not communist engage the Church. I will merely state that Martin L. King Jr., Malcolm X, Reverend Shuttleworth and thousands of store front preachers have been on the front line of what is called the class struggle in the

[Marxism-Thaxis] African American History Month

2002-02-07 Thread Waistline2
4. AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH: NEW RACISM BASED ON CLASS, NOT COLOR By Nelson Peery African American History Month, 2002 is celebrated in the midst of economic, social and political changes that are reshaping our world. The African Americans, along with the rest of the American people,

[Marxism-Thaxis] part 2

2002-01-31 Thread Waistline2
Dialectics and Process: Part II Society moves in class antagonism. At a certain stage of their development, the material forces of production in society come into conflict . . . with the property relations . . . From forms of development of the forces of production, these (property)

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Marxism-Thaxis digest, Vol 1 #46 - 2 msgs

2002-01-26 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/26/2002 8:48:37 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this term is worth unpacking. Marxist literature can use production in two ways: production of surplus value (in this case a school teacher can be productive if it is a private school), and

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Marxism-Thaxis digest, Vol 1 #44 - 7 msgs

2002-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Capitalism over the past ten years or so has produced a technological revolution in its means of production involving the transformation of information technology. Over the same period it has succeeded in recomposing the working class. This has led to deskilling of traditional trades,

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Marxism-Thaxis digest, Vol 1 #42 - 7 msgs

2002-01-22 Thread Waistline2
Marx reminds me of a really good suit that never goes out of style and survives the various trends, the rise and fall of desiger names and the ups and downs of the marketplace. After a solid 150 years Marx is still the rage. That suit Engels wore is still pretty sharp. Melvin

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