Re: M-TH: Preobrazhensky - the LOV - Primitive Socialist Accumulation

1999-11-22 Thread Chris Burford
At 16:57 20/11/99 +0100, Hugh wrote: Gome good historical stuff! Marx writes about Primitive Capitalist Accumulation in Capital I -- it's what happens when simple commodity production is straining at the leash. Dave B leaves the existence of simple commodity producing societies as an open

M-TH: Fwd: Romania : Nostalgia for the past

1999-11-22 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
Forwarded From: Rick Rozoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] ROMANIANS LIKED LIFE BETTER UNDER COMMUNISM Reuters November 21, 1999 BUCHAREST, Romania -- Ten years after communism's fall, 4 in 5 Romanians are unhappy with the way they live, with 61 percent saying they were better off under the late

M-TH: Washington and Moscow

1999-11-22 Thread Dave Bedggood
Bobs bullits.. Dave writes.. Burford's analysis of Chechyna starts from the proposition that both OSCE (the European end of the Atlantic alliance) and Russia are imperialist. George is closer to the truth when he recognises that Russia is making a concession to imperialism. This is not

M-TH: Re: Washington and Moscow

1999-11-22 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Thaxists, I don't think it matters whether trying to hang on to the prizes of past expansionism constitutes an act of imperialism today or not, really. I reckon we might be missing the point of all this! I don't reckon Russia can win this war, and I don't reckon it could ever have

Re: M-TH: IT stocks?

1999-11-22 Thread Chris Burford
At 18:08 22/11/99 +1100, you wrote: G'day Bob, Doug's probably fast asleep just now, so here's an interesting piece he posted on his list the other day. I'd be interested in Thaxist views on this meself. Cheers, Rob. [From the bear's den at http://www.LeMetropoleCafe.com] Frank Veneroso -

Re: M-TH: Washington and Moscow

1999-11-22 Thread Chris Burford
I am surprised to read Rob's arguments that Russia is not going to win. This war is well-supplied logistically and they are already digging in and are prepared to surround Grozny and shell it throughout a long winter. They persist in ruling out negotiations. The one thing that can be said for

Re: M-TH: China and law of value.

1999-11-22 Thread Dave Bedggood
What I am saying is that the value of something is the amount of labour that goes into it. To replace an arbitrary price based on chance and the market with an arbitrary price based on a commissar's rule of thumb does not suspend this rule. Yes but you are looking through the wrong

M-TH: Re: IT stocks?

1999-11-22 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Chris, I am glad you reposted this. In view of the volume of correspondence on LBO-talk I think there is often a role for the issues to be discussed on a specifically marxism list. And unlike Louis Proyect, you and Bill do not censor the debate. But at this stage just a question please.

M-TH: Re: Washington and Moscow

1999-11-22 Thread Rob Schaap
I am surprised to read Rob's arguments that Russia is not going to win. This war is well-supplied logistically and they are already digging in and are prepared to surround Grozny and shell it throughout a long winter. They persist in ruling out negotiations. Well, they might call it a win in