Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
[From http://www.duntone.demon.co.uk/CPGB/articles/ww99/0617/letters.html] I note with interest the results of the Euro elections: 'Weekly Worker' (CPGB) -1,724; SPGB - 1,510. Specifically, I note that the latter party only stood on one list to achieve a similar share of the vote as garnered by the former in two. Further, I note the former party practices a policy of setting out immediate demands so as to attract more workers to the cause, whilst the latter advocates unconditional and immediate revolution. If the aim of the former is to attract more votes through advocating reform, they seem to have failed. Perhaps it is time for a rethink, if the CPGB are actually interested in full socialism. Bill Martin SPGB On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Lew wrote: > I know of no organisation which stands for "immediate revolution". Do > you have one in mind? > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
As a Californian, we have our New Agey, PC'ers on the "left" and shit like Senator Feinstein, who pushed for more F-17's to Suharto to bomb East Timor. But, whatever Red Ken's limitations, I still say, he's worth supporting, with those "critical support" provisos, he's far better than letting New Labour or whoever the hapless Tory is, win. Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:54 AM Subject: Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major > In article <037c01bf8882$ce8f7f60$7601aace@oemcomputer>, Michael > Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > That was Joe Stalin- Are you saying, don't run against the "Third Way" > >BS, Tiny Blur? Let the New Labour or Tory candidate win, and deliver a blow > >not only to the left but, Londoners, who like anyone else deserve a good > >govt. and if Livingstone, is anywhere near as feisty and radical as in the > >GLC days, will clean the clock of Blair! > > Some years ago Livingstone wrote a book with the title _If Voting > Changed Anything, They'd Abolish It_, a title which is self explanatory > really (it is also contains praise for Frank Dobson). Shortly after he > vigorously campaigned for a Labour general election manifesto which > included a commitment to the Private Financing Initiative which he now > opposes in the case of London Underground. > > What more is there to say? The man is a complete shit and the politics > he dabbles in are shit. Avoid shit! Don't vote for shit! > -- > Lew > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >I suppose it must seem a bit prosaic for a party that stands in elections >on a platform of "immediate revolution". I know of no organisation which stands for "immediate revolution". Do you have one in mind? >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> David Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >We urge all those Labour Party members, trade unionists and others who >> >have been disenfranchised and excluded by New Labour's stitch-up to join >> >the campaign for a socialist London. >> >> Socialism in one country, and now socialism in one city. -- Lew --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
In article <037c01bf8882$ce8f7f60$7601aace@oemcomputer>, Michael Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > That was Joe Stalin- Are you saying, don't run against the "Third Way" >BS, Tiny Blur? Let the New Labour or Tory candidate win, and deliver a blow >not only to the left but, Londoners, who like anyone else deserve a good >govt. and if Livingstone, is anywhere near as feisty and radical as in the >GLC days, will clean the clock of Blair! Some years ago Livingstone wrote a book with the title _If Voting Changed Anything, They'd Abolish It_, a title which is self explanatory really (it is also contains praise for Frank Dobson). Shortly after he vigorously campaigned for a Labour general election manifesto which included a commitment to the Private Financing Initiative which he now opposes in the case of London Underground. What more is there to say? The man is a complete shit and the politics he dabbles in are shit. Avoid shit! Don't vote for shit! -- Lew --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
I suppose it must seem a bit prosaic for a party that stands in elections on a platform of "immediate revolution". On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Lew wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > David Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >We urge all those Labour Party members, trade unionists and others who > >have been disenfranchised and excluded by New Labour's stitch-up to join > >the campaign for a socialist London. > > Socialism in one country, and now socialism in one city. --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
At 12:57 07/03/00 +, Dave wrote: > >[From http://www.londonsocialistalliance.org.uk/.] > >The London Socialist Alliance welcomes Ken Livingstone's decision to stand >as an independent candidate for mayor of London. By doing so, he has given >Londoners an alternative at the ballot box. We hope Ken will stand on a >socialist and trade union platform. Last night Ken dismissed the Socialist Alliance as a group of old Trotskyists. He is also believed to have cancelled an appearance at a large rally to avoid being associated with "the Left". Comments Dave? Chris Burford London --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
That was Joe Stalin- Are you saying, don't run against the "Third Way" BS, Tiny Blur? Let the New Labour or Tory candidate win, and deliver a blow not only to the left but, Londoners, who like anyone else deserve a good govt. and if Livingstone, is anywhere near as feisty and radical as in the GLC days, will clean the clock of Blair! Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > David Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >We urge all those Labour Party members, trade unionists and others who > >have been disenfranchised and excluded by New Labour's stitch-up to join > >the campaign for a socialist London. > > Socialism in one country, and now socialism in one city. > -- > Lew > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: LSA welcomes Livingstone's decision to stand for major
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >We urge all those Labour Party members, trade unionists and others who >have been disenfranchised and excluded by New Labour's stitch-up to join >the campaign for a socialist London. Socialism in one country, and now socialism in one city. -- Lew --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
