Re: [Marxism] George Floyd had 'violent criminal history': Minneapolis union chief

2020-06-03 Thread Michael Meeropol via Marxism
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And I think the effort to blame the victim will NOT WORK with the public
--- However, the JURY will have to be VERY CAREFULLY selected and there
will have to be a strong resistance to a change of venue to a white
suburban population ---

There will be a danger that enough potential jurors will lie their way onto
the jury and vote to acquit --- hopefully the evidence will be so
overwhelming that an objective jury will convict ---

(or maybe one of the cops will FLIP!)
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Re: [Marxism] George Floyd had 'violent criminal history': Minneapolis union chief

2020-06-03 Thread wytheholt--- via Marxism
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Precisely, Louis. Floyd's past history had zero to do with his murder.

> On June 3, 2020 at 4:46 PM Ralph Johansen via Marxism 
> mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote:
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> Louis Proyect wrote
> 
> (A familiar refrain as if being an ex-con excuses someone's knee on his
> neck for over 8 minutes.)
> 
> “What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd.
> The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his
> members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
> 
> Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and
> robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of
> charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail
> reported.
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> https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/
> 
> -
> 
> ["The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent
> criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his
> death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”
> 
> Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and
> robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of
> charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail
> reported
> <."]" rel="noopener" 
> target="_blank">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html>."]
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> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html
> 
> Sounds like there goes what middle class support there might have been
> for the protests. The largest middle class buffer between the working
> class and corporate power on the planet. More divide and rule.
> 
> And what charges will a middle class jury convict Chauvin for, let alone
> the others charged, with this information before them? Especially now
> that a Black Muslim State Attorney General, Keith Ellison, will now lead
> the prosecution?
> 
> And what does that mean for any meaningful "reform" of police conduct?
> We know the answer to that from the last 200+ years of racism -- squat.
> 
> So will the next murder of a Black person by the cops see increasingly
> militarized police clamping down from the get-go, with surveillance,
> drones, lethal automated weapons? And where do we go from there?
> 
> We're not rich enough to go into outer space and colonize with Jeff
> Bezos and Elon Musk.
> 
> I visualize a response similar to the million-person gathering at the
> Washington Monument against the US war on the Vietnamese people, only
> next time, 3 million or 5 million pushing down the barriers around the
> White House. Will the military follow their Comdr in Chief's orders to
> fire on that many of their fellow beings? And then what?
> 
> Well, that's my vision.
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Re: [Marxism] George Floyd had 'violent criminal history': Minneapolis union chief

2020-06-03 Thread Ralph Johansen via Marxism

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Louis Proyect wrote

(A familiar refrain as if being an ex-con excuses someone's knee on his 
neck for over 8 minutes.)


“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. 
The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his 
members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.


Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and 
robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of 
charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail 
reported.


https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/



["The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent 
criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his 
death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”


Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and 
robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of 
charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail 
reported 
."]


Sounds like there goes what middle class support there might have been 
for the protests. The largest middle class buffer between the working 
class and corporate power on the planet. More divide and rule.


And what charges will a middle class jury convict Chauvin for, let alone 
the others charged, with this information before them? Especially now 
that a Black Muslim State Attorney General, Keith Ellison, will now lead 
the prosecution?


And what does that mean for any meaningful "reform" of police conduct? 
We know the answer to that from the last 200+ years of racism -- squat.


So will the next murder of a Black person by the cops see increasingly 
militarized police clamping down from the get-go, with surveillance, 
drones, lethal automated weapons? And where do we go from there?


We're not rich enough to go into outer space and colonize with Jeff 
Bezos and Elon Musk.


I visualize a response similar to the million-person gathering at the 
Washington Monument against the US war on the Vietnamese people, only 
next time, 3 million or 5 million pushing down the barriers around the 
White House. Will the military follow their Comdr in Chief's orders to 
fire on that many of their fellow beings? And then what?


Well, that's my vision.
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Re: [Marxism] George Floyd had 'violent criminal history': Minneapolis union chief

2020-06-02 Thread Jeffrey Masko via Marxism
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Cops, especially white cops, are afraid of big black men and when they find
out on the scene that someone built like George Floyd has a rap sheet, they
shit themselves. Fear of a racist stereotype breeds violence and the badge
is the ok to act on it.
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Re: [Marxism] George Floyd had 'violent criminal history': Minneapolis union chief

2020-06-02 Thread Michael Meeropol via Marxism
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If Floyd had been "clean as a hound's tooth" to use Dwight Eisenhower's
term about what he wanted from Richard Nixon, they would have INVENTED
stuff 

And I LOVE IT that the cop-fascist calls the national demonstrations
against police murders terrorist organizations!

It really sickens me as someone brought up singing union songs along with
Pete Seeger records to see the disgusting behavior of "union leaders"of
cops  I hope there are plenty of good cops who reject that guy's
approach
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[Marxism] George Floyd had 'violent criminal history': Minneapolis union chief

2020-06-02 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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(A familiar refrain as if being an ex-con excuses someone's knee on his 
neck for over 8 minutes.)


“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. 
The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his 
members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.


Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and 
robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of 
charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.


https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

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