[Marxism] Query

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Can anyone put me in touch with this article, please:  "A Note on Max 
Weber's politics", Meyer Schapiro, Politics, 2(2), 44-8, 1945.   Thanks 
in advance.  Steve Heeren



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[Marxism] Query: Che bio?

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Would appreciate recommendations, suggestions, comments, advice on
choosing a biography of Che for a leftist reading group.
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> On Mar 17, 2019, at 1:26 AM, Steve Heeren via Marxism 
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> Does anyone know of any books with a thorough discussion of the concept of 
> Identity - which is widely used today, as in Identity Politics.  It doesn't 
> have to be from a Marxist writer. I know the concept goes back as far as the 
> thought of GWF Hegel and, maybe, even Aristotle. Any help would be 
> appreciated.

This is a much trickier question than I think Steve intends. One hardly knows 
where to begin, or in which corner of the pool to plunge first.

What is the “being” of an identity? In what sense can it be said, meaningfully, 
that such-and-such an “identity”—e.g., “the Jew,” “the queer,” “the black,” 
“the ‘normal man’” (sic; please take note of the scare quotes; I’m not saying 
anything without scare quotes)—can be invoked as if it could ever have been a 
“natural object” of reference?

“A person is not an object among other objects. Objects determine each other’s 
path. A human being, on the other hand, is graced with the power of 
self-definition. His path and his destiny – of course within the framework of 
his abilities and environment – he decides himself. In the concentration camps, 
in that living laboratory, we saw some of our comrades behaving like pigs and 
others behaving like saints. Both alternatives are hidden in a person; and 
which will be realized depends on decisions and not on conditions.” — Victor 
Frankl

“For manifestly you have long been aware of what you mean when you use the 
expression ‘being’. We, however, who used to think we understood it, have now 
become perplexed.” [Sophist 244a; cited by Heidegger in the opening to Sein und 
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[Marxism] Query

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Does anyone know of any books with a thorough discussion of the concept 
of Identity - which is widely used today, as in Identity Politics.  It 
doesn't have to be from a Marxist writer. I know the concept goes back 
as far as the thought of GWF Hegel and, maybe, even Aristotle. Any help 
would be appreciated.

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[Marxism] query on Left Forum 2019 - any idea of the dates?

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The website says it will be in the Spring (instead of standard last days 
of May)... I'd be grateful if anyone knows what dates are most likely.


Thanks,

Patrick

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[Marxism] Query re Cyril Belshaw

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Thank you to Alan Ginsberg who has cleared up a confusion I have suffered from 
for some years.
Confronted now with the names side by side it seems odd that I would make that 
mistake.
ken h
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[Marxism] query re Cyril Belshaw

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I believe it's possible that Ken Hiebert is thinking of journalist Cedric
Belfrage.

http://dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html/tamwag/tam_143/bioghist.html
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Gilbert Achcar (ditto SOAS) is a good resource to tap.  Saeed Rahnema ( York U. 
Canada)Hamid Dabashi (though in NYC) can also be a resource.
S.
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Had some friends with good experiences at SOAS in the UK.

Absolutely sick that intelligent people like this are barred from joining
American universities while we have a complete moron in office.

Amith R. Gupta

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Had some friends with good experiences at SOAS in the UK.

Absolutely sick that intelligent people like this are barred from joining
American universities while we have a complete moron in office.

Amith R. Gupta

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An Iranian leftist got in touch with me a few days ago:

My proposal for PhD is going to be around either the cultural ideology 
of Neoliberalism, or a critical historical inquiry of the roots of

Americanization. Is there any specific institution you may recommend to
me (without the United States, because as you now, your Russian
president has banned us from that sacred soil!) or a particular
professor with a strong critical attitude, with which I can pursue my
education?

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Many thanks to all of you who responded.
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[Marxism] query re Trotsky's eulogy of Yoffe

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Nadezhda Joffe's memoirs contain the text of Trotsky's eulogy of Adolph
Yoffe. That version does not begin with the words quoted by Ken Hiebert.

page 65 of
https://books.google.com/books?id=Jk0k_LBDmHEC&pg=PA65#v=onepage&q&f=false

The sentence "There must be no more suicides!" appears as a phrase (without
the exclamation point) in The Peterson Magazine in the 19th century.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Q8k2AQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA114&dq=%E2%80%9CThere+must+be+no+more+suicides!%E2%80%9D&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjgueDkusTbAhVLs1kKHZjNB1YQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CThere%20must%20be%20no%20more%20suicides!%E2%80%9D&f=false
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Everything by Kim Moody; mostly empirical but always has essential facts to
rebut faddish theories.
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Michael Meeropol wrote

Mike Zweig of STONY BROOK has sponsored conferences on the reality of 
the AMERICAN WORKING CLASS for years -- he would be a perfect place to 
start.


Louis Proyect wrote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Olin_Wright

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Mark Lause via Marxism 
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Anybody have some recommendations on theoretical or practical work 
defining class in our contemporary U.S. setting


Cheers,

ML

I participate in a study group which for a brief time last year went 
into the concept of class. I didn't find much out there that's current, 
other than critiques of other, past analyses. That's in spite of the 
current naked nature of the class war being waged by capital.


There's Eric Wright and Michael Zweig, as you point out both at it for 
years, and I have problems with Wright.


Eric Olin Wright conflates Weberian categories, ideal types, with Marx' 
core identification of class which is centered around the relationship 
of any collection of workers, or employers, or undefined categories, to  
relations of production. Anything that strays from Marx's concept to me 
cannot be relied on to provide a basis on which to construct further a 
unified field theory of productive activity and actual class 
composition, nor can it point out the class fractions and divisions 
which can be relied on to go all the way with you in thoroughgoing class 
warfare.


Zweig is good on the necessity for groups such as civil rights, 
anti-war, and women’s struggles to obtain or maintain close connections 
with labor (defined through its trade union organizations or how?), on 
how considerations of class dynamics have "been driven from economics as 
an academic discipline, how the decline of union power has contributed 
to the decline in living standards that workers experience, "and how 
public policy in the United States has been shaped by class power to the 
detriment of working people, how obvious, growing inequality reveals the 
presence of class differences [although what's so different from the 
late 19th century?], "the incongruous alliance between the corporate 
elite and, especially, although not exclusively, white working-class 
people—an odd mating which defines the conservative populism of the 
Republican Party," the nebulous recognition of women's relations and 
race differences to the concept of class, that "trade unionism [more 
ineffectual in the global context all the time, especially given its 
ongoing post-WW2-originated policy of production-related wage 
increase/decrease - "concession bargaining," the General Motors 
reorganization, for example] - must supplant or supplement what we have 
up to now taken for granted. ... the nature of both the 21st century 
domestic economy and the international one to which it is now 
intricately tethered [which] marginalize the normal workplace-based 
forms of collective bargaining," nationalism, chauvinism and the 
execrable role played by US unions in foreign policy - Venezuela for 
example, and "the troubled relationship between the new immigrants and 
the African American community."


Then there's the many surveys on class, which rely on answers to 
questions about income, lifestyle, location of habitation, educational 
level, how people see themselves (important in a subjective sense and in 
realization of where we are historically, but not in the sense of an 
objective analysis of actual class relations), "their sense of space in 
the world,” according to sociologist Jane Van Galen, etc. --  then 
there's discussions of culture, religion, and other aspects of life – 
social capital -- all of whichconceal much more than they purport to 
reveal about class.


As E.P. Thompson in his introduction to /The Making of the English 
Working Class 
/ 
pointed out,

//

[Class is] an historical phenomenon. . . something which in fact happens 
(and can be shown to have happened) in human relationships.  And class 
happens when some [people], as a result of common experiences (inherited 
or shared), feel and articulate the identity of their interests as 
between themselves, and as against other [people] whose interests are 
different from (and usually opposed to) theirs. The class experience is 
largely determined by the productive relations into which [people] are 
born — or enter involuntarily.


In other words, that class relations are neces

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Mike Zweig of STONY BROOK has sponsored conferences on the reality of the
AMERICAN WORKING CLASS for years -- he would be a perfect place to start.

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Anybody have some recommendations on theoretical or practical work defining
class in our contemporary U.S. setting?

Cheers,
ML



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Olin_Wright

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Anybody have some recommendations on theoretical or practical work defining
class in our contemporary U.S. setting?

Cheers,
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[Marxism] query re Marx's articles in New York Tribune

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available online through the Marxist Internet Archive at
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What is the best collection of Marx's journalism in the 1850s for the NY 
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In fairness, I just thought- the pamphlet was written before the October
Insurrection, not after. It was in response to the derision V.I.L was met
with after he announced the Bolsheviks were ready to seize and hold power.

It's still a great instructional pamphlet on how to have fun shoving the
rich around post-insurrection though. A must read for vindictive types like
me.

Comrade Pollack is absolutely right about Lenin circa 1917. The emphasis on
workers' democracy is central to his thinki.

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>  Great stuff!
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> Notice the emphasis on the composition of the workers' militia selected to
> implement the decree, including women/domestic workers. (In this period
> Lenin wrote over and over again of the need for rank-and-file committees in
> all spheres to implement the new laws, and the essential participation of
> women in such committees.)
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> " ... 11) Housing laws to be enacted and a housing inspectorate elected by
> the workers’ organisations to be instituted for the purpose of sanitary
> inspection of dwelling houses. However, only by abolishing private property
> in land and building cheap and hygienic dwellings can the housing problem
> be solved."
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> In a few years however Lenin and allies were already having to handle
> complaints of abuse of workers by housing officials (for which he said such
> "communist criminals" should be hanged):
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 Great stuff!

Notice the emphasis on the composition of the workers' militia selected to
implement the decree, including women/domestic workers. (In this period
Lenin wrote over and over again of the need for rank-and-file committees in
all spheres to implement the new laws, and the essential participation of
women in such committees.)

See also:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/reviprog/ch04.htm
" ... 11) Housing laws to be enacted and a housing inspectorate elected by
the workers’ organisations to be instituted for the purpose of sanitary
inspection of dwelling houses. However, only by abolishing private property
in land and building cheap and hygienic dwellings can the housing problem
be solved."

In a few years however Lenin and allies were already having to handle
complaints of abuse of workers by housing officials (for which he said such
"communist criminals" should be hanged):

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/mar/18a.htm
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On 5/23/18 12:57 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:
I think he talks about it in the pamphlet How the Bolsheviks Will 
Maintain Power





Bingo.

The capitalist state evicts a working-class family which has lost its 
breadwinner and cannot pay the rent. The bailiff appears with police, or 
militia, a whole squad of them. To effect an eviction in a working-class 
district a whole detachment of Cossacks is required. Why? Because the 
bailiff and the militiaman refuse to go without a very strong military 
guard. They know that the scene of an eviction arouses such fury among 
the neighbours, among thousands and thousands of people who have been 
driven to the verge of desperation, arouses such hatred towards the 
capitalists and the capitalist state, that the bailiff and the squad of 
militiamen run the risk of being torn to pieces at any minute. Large 
military forces are required, several regiments must be brought into a 
big city, and the troops must come from some distant, outlying region so 
that the soldiers will not be familiar with the life of the urban poor, 
so that the soldiers will not be "infected" with socialism.


The proletarian state has to forcibly move a very poor family into a 
rich man's flat. Let us suppose that our squad of workers' militia is 
fifteen strong; two sailors, two soldiers, two class-conscious workers 
(of whom, let us suppose, only one is a member of our Party, or a 
sympathiser), one intellectual, and eight from the poor working people, 
of whom at least five must be women, domestic servants, unskilled 
labourers, and so forth. The squad arrives at the rich man's flat, 
inspects it and finds that it consists of five rooms occupied by two men 
and two women—"You must squeeze up a bit into two rooms this winter, 
citizens, and prepare two rooms for two families now living in cellars. 
Until the time, with the aid of engineers (you are an engineer, aren't 
you?), we have built good dwellings for everybody, you will have to 
squeeze up a little. Your telephone will serve ten families. This will 
save a hundred hours of work wasted on shopping, and so forth. Now in 
your family there are two unemployed persons who can perform light work: 
a citizeness fifty-five years of age and a citizen fourteen years of 
age. They will be on duty for three hours a day supervising the proper 
distribution of provisions for ten families and keeping the necessary 
account of this. The student citizen in our squad will now write out 
this state order in two copies and you will be kind enough to give us a 
signed declaration that you will faithfully carry it out."

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I think he talks about it in the pamphlet How the Bolsheviks Will Maintain
Power

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> with a working class family with numerous children living in crowded
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I asked this about 10 years ago and wish I had made a note of the 
answer. Sometime after the Bolsheviks took power, Lenin wrote an article 
calling for one or two rich people living in spacious apartments to 
exchange them with a working class family with numerous children living 
in crowded conditions. Where is this?

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I've been comparing Assadistas to the mid-20th century "Friends of the
Soviet [Stalinist] Union" crowd.
But Idrees Ahmad's evocation of Lord Haw Haw in today's dust-up over Max
Blumenthal made me realize the comparison to western fascist sympathizers
is salient in its own way.
So US folks: who besides Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh have we got? (I
don't mean the fascists themselves like Father Coughlin, I mean US
"mainstream" sympathizers with Hitler, Mussolini, etc.)
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> Paraphrase: 'Capitalism requires us to be predatory, and then claims that
> it's human nature to be predatory.'
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> Does anyone know the source? Thank you.

Damn, I thought I’d come up with that on my own. Oh well, back to re-write….

Seriously, there isn’t a precise parallel formulation but the sentiment is 
reflected in both of the excerpts here in case it’s of any help:

http://www.marxmail.org/faq/human_nature.htm

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Paraphrase: 'Capitalism requires us to be predatory, and then claims that
it's human nature to be predatory.'

 

Does anyone know the source? Thank you.

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Does anyone know of a marxist critique of Richard Slotkin's monumental 
trilogy (Regeneration through Violence [1973], Fatal Environment [1985], 
and Gunfighter Nation [1992])?  It purports to give an historically 
accurate picture of the emergence of the USA,  especially focusing on 
the issue of violence throughout.




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David Laibman wrote about this alleged quote in *Science & Society*:  

There is a quote from Lenin, floating around in cyberspace.

From memory: “There are decades when nothing happens. Then there are weeks when 
decades happen.” It’s an important point. Over long stretches of time, 
experience accumulates and foundations are laid, in a slow process that makes 
it seem as though change is not happening at all. Then, in an explosive and 
historically brief moment, this underlying evolution is concentrated in rapid 
transformations.

The only problem: the quote is, to all appearances, false! (I won’t say “a 
hoax,” because I don’t think that is known.) A precise source for it has not 
been found.

Let me be clear. Compared to other points on the political spectrum (especially 
the far right), the left has been a model of scholarship as regards quotations 
and attributions. Still, we should hold ourselves to the highest possible 
standard in this regard. It is not always possible to check every source for 
every item, but that should be the goal.

In the meantime, I came across this intriguing passage in the Marx–Engels 
correspondence (Marx to Engels, April 9, 1863):

"How soon the English workers will free themselves from their apparent 
bourgeois infection, one must wait to see. . . . Only your small-minded German 
philistine who measures world history by the ell and by what he happens to 
think are “interesting news items,” could regard 20 years as more than a day 
where major developments of this kind are concerned, though these may be again 
succeeded by days into which 20 years are compressed.”

Marx is here telling Engels: we must be patient. But note the invocation of a 
qualitative conception of time (“days into which 20 years are compressed”), and 
how similar this is to the thought behind Lenin’s presumed “weeks when decades 
happen.” (“Editorial Perspectives,” Science & Society*, Vol. 77, No. 3 (July 
2013): 286)
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Ken Hiebert located what I was looking for it is probably apocryphal.

"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where 
decades happen" -- attributed to V.I. Lenin.


While this quote doesn't seem to appear in the collected works, a Google 
search of MIA's Lenin archive throws up a couple of hits for a likely 
source for the paraphrase:


In the space of a few months we passed through a number of stages of 
collaboration with the bourgeoisie and of shaking off petty-bourgeois 
illusions, for which other countries have required decades. In the 
course of a few weeks, having overthrown the bourgeoisie, we crushed its 
open resistance in civil war. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/mar/11.htm


Months of revolution sometimes educate citizens more quickly and fully 
than decades of political stagnation. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/jul/10.htm


Inthe history of revolutions there come to light contradictions that 
have ripened for decades and centuries. Life becomes unusually eventful. 
The masses, which have always stood in the shade and have therefore 
often been ignored and even despised by superficial observers, enter the 
political arena as active combatants. These masses are learning in 
practice, and before the eyes. of the world are taking their first 
tentative steps, feeling their way, defining their objectives, testing 
themselves and the theories of all their ideologists. These masses are 
making heroic efforts to rise to the occasion and cope with the gigantic 
tasks of world significance imposed upon them by history; and however 
great individual defeats may be, however shattering to us the rivers of 
blood and the thousands of victims, nothing will ever compare in 
importance with this direct training that the masses and the classes 
receive in the course of the revolutionary struggle itself. The history 
of this struggle is measured in days. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/rd/1.htm


Fordecades they did not become tired of waiting, but now they have 
become tired after a few weeks; they were not tired of waiting while 
they were asleep or vegetating, while the external circumstances of 
their lives contained nothing directly changing their existence beyond 
recognition, their mood, their consciousness, their will. They have 
become tired of waiting after a few weeks, now that the thirst for 
action has awakened in them with incredible rapidity, and the most 
eloquent and sympathetic words, even from such a lofty platform as the 
Duma, have begun to seem dreary, boring and uninteresting. The workers 
have become tired of waiting—the wave of strikes has begun to mount 
higher and higher. The peasants have become tired of waiting; no 
persecutions and tortures, exceeding the horrors of the medieval 
Inquisition, can stop their struggle for the land, for freedom. The 
sailors in Kronstadt and Sevastopol have become tired of waiting, as 
well as the infantrymen in Kursk, Poltava, Tula and Moscow, the 
guardsmen in Krasnoye Selo, and even the Cossacks. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1906/jun/08.htm


A similar search of the Trotsky Archive produces the following hits:

The economic change of society is very slow and is measured by centuries 
and decades. But when the economic conditions are radically changed, a 
transformation of the retarded psychological factors can be produced 
very quickly. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/11/revsit.htm


Political democracy is an essential phase in the development of the 
working masses – with the important proviso that in some cases the 
working masses may remain in this phase for several decades, whereas in 
another case the revolutionary situation may enable the masses to 
liberate themselves from the prejudices of political democracy even 
before its institutions have come into being. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1907/1905/pre.htm


At the beginning of 1917, the Bolsheviks remained within the Soviets as 
an insignificant minority. For months – and in a period when months 
counted for years, if not for decades – they tolerated a conciliationist 
majority in the Soviets, even though they already represented an 
overwhelming majority in the factory committees. 

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Ok yeah I see that. Maybe I'm buggin but I think Leon has a similar
statement regarding attitude and consciousness of the masses during a
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Ken Hiebert located what I was looking for it is probably apocryphal.

"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where 
decades happen" -- attributed to V.I. Lenin.

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Trotsky from the "History Of the Russian Revolution" I forget where but
maybe in the chapter on dual power.

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> “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where
> decades happen.”
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> Any number of sources attribute this to Lenin, but I have not found anyone
> who will tell us when and where Lenin is supposed to have said this.
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“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades 
happen.”

Any number of sources attribute this to Lenin, but I have not found anyone who 
will tell us when and where Lenin is supposed to have said this.

ken h



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>> I can't seem to remember who said it, Lenin or Trotsky probably, but it
>> was a statement about how the tempo of the class struggle can change
>> rapidly. Something to the effect that what formerly took place in years
>> now takes place in minutes. Any ideas?
> 
> Karl Kautsky, 'The Road to Power', 1907:

Sorry, that should be 1909.

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On 08/09/2015 09:02 PM, Joonas Laine wrote:
> On 08/09/2015 08:50 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
>> I can't seem to remember who said it, Lenin or Trotsky probably, but it
>> was a statement about how the tempo of the class struggle can change
>> rapidly. Something to the effect that what formerly took place in years
>> now takes place in minutes. Any ideas?
> 
> Karl Kautsky, 'The Road to Power', 1907:

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> I can't seem to remember who said it, Lenin or Trotsky probably, but it
> was a statement about how the tempo of the class struggle can change
> rapidly. Something to the effect that what formerly took place in years
> now takes place in minutes. Any ideas?

Karl Kautsky, 'The Road to Power', 1907:

"But the rate of progress increases with a leap when the revolutionary
spirit is abroad. It is almost inconceivable with what rapidity the mass
of the people reach a clear consciousness of their class interests at
such a time. Not alone their courage and their belligerency but their
political interest as well, is spurred on in the highest degree through
the consciousness that the hour has at last come for them to burst out
of the darkness of night into the glory of the full glare of the sun.
Even the laziest becomes industrious, even the most cowardly becomes
brave, and even the most narrow gains a wider view. In such times a
single year will accomplish an education of the masses that would
otherwise have required a generation."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1909/power/ch06.htm

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I can't seem to remember who said it, Lenin or Trotsky probably, but it 
was a statement about how the tempo of the class struggle can change 
rapidly. Something to the effect that what formerly took place in years 
now takes place in minutes. Any ideas?

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> On 25 May 2015, at 4:20 AM, Joseph Catron via Marxism 
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> And I mean the common leftist euphemism for black people, not the
> theoretical electromagnetic devices.
> 
> Does anyone know the backstory of this odd wording: when and where it
> started, what the point was supposed to be, etc.?



I stand to be corrected, but I think the current usage traces most directly to 
Sander Gilman’s 1985 "Black bodies, white bodies: toward an iconography of 
female sexuality in late 19th-century art, medicine, and literature” 
(http://www.jstor.org/stable/1343468 ). 
Gilman hardly uses the phrase beyond the title, but the paper (and the phrase) 
became much more widely known through bell hooks’ reference to it in one 
chapter of her 1992 book, “Black Looks: Race and Representation” 
(http://www.amazon.com/Black-Looks-Representation-Bell-Hooks/dp/0896084337 
):

“Representations of black female bodies in contemporary popular culture rarely 
subvert or critique images of black female sexuality which were part of the 
cultural apparatus of 19th-century racism and which still shape perceptions 
today. Sander Gilman's essay, "Black Bodies, .' White Bodies: Toward an 
Iconography of Female Sexuality in Late Nineteenth-Century Art, Medicine, and 
Literature," calls attention to the way black presence in early North American 
society allowed whites to sexualize their world by projecting onto black bodies 
a narrative of sexualization disassociated from whiteness. Gilman documents the 
development of this image, commenting that "by the eighteenth cen- tury, the 
sexuality of the black, male and female, becomes an icon for deviant 
sexuality." He emphasizes that it is the black female body that is forced to 
serve as "an icon for black sexuality in general.”

The phrase had been used much earlier, but with a very different (although 
horrifically related) meaning, e.g.: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnlTHvJBeP0 


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And I mean the common leftist euphemism for black people, not the
theoretical electromagnetic devices.

Does anyone know the backstory of this odd wording: when and where it
started, what the point was supposed to be, etc.?

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Re: [Marxism] Query: short critical history of Israel

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Here are three excellent essay-length critical histories of the
Israel-Palestine conflict.

Norman Finkelstein, An Introduction to the Israel-Palestine Conflict
 (2002)
Walid Khalidi, The Palestine Problem: An Overview 
 (1991)
Zeev Maoz, Israeli Intervention in Intra-Arab Affairs 
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On 5/18/15 10:59 AM, Michael Fahey via Marxism wro


Can someone recommend a critical history of Israel that's essay-length and
online?

Thanks. - Mike Fahey



https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/machover/2006/11/isr-pal.html

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Can someone recommend a critical history of Israel that's essay-length and
online? 

Thanks. - Mike Fahey

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[Marxism] Query: left book publishers

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If anyone has a list of leftist and left-friendly book publishers more
extensive than the Brecht Forum's (https://brechtforum.org/links/48), send
it on? Thanks!

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Re: [Marxism] Query

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'The Tragedy of Waste' (1929; reprinted in 1937 by MacMillan) by economist
Stuart Chase is an old classic.

 

> Sometime in the 1980s I either read or read about a book that examined 

> the wastefulness of capitalism, not about the environment but for 

> example the existence of industries for which there is really no need, 

> like advertising, public relations, corporate law, etc. Plus, the 

> duplication of so many financial services that could be dispensed from 

> a single source; the existence of competing products that are 

> identical except for the packaging (aspirin, detergent, etc.)

> 

> The book I am looking for is very specifically related to this so ones 

> that it sounds close to are not really relevant to my needs (like "The 

> Affluent Society", for example.) 

 

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Re: [Marxism] Query

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Hidden Persuaders is about advertising's role in capitalist waste.  As
i recall the Waste Makers is about 'planned obsolescence' and(?) about
redundant similar products, 30 brands of toothpaste vs. a proven
useful product.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Charles Faulkner  wrote:
> that sounds right on.  the waste makers.  hidden persuaders isn't about
> waste per se but rather about the foundation for waste.
>
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> Could it have been among the works of Vance Packard?  something like
> The Waste Makers or The Hidden Persuaders...
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that sounds right on. the waste makers. hidden persuaders isn't about waste per 
se but rather about the foundation for waste. 

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Could it have been among the works of Vance Packard? something like 
The Waste Makers or The Hidden Persuaders... 
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Re: [Marxism] Query

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On 4/1/15 2:45 PM, Andrew Pollack wrote:

sounds very much like "Monopoly Capital" by Sweezy and Baran


Sorry, but this is exactly NOT what I need. The book was not a Marxist 
classic but more in the vein of investigative reporting. The reason I am 
posting a query is because the book is likely out of print.

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sounds very much like "Monopoly Capital" by Sweezy and Baran

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> Sometime in the 1980s I either read or read about a book that examined the
> wastefulness of capitalism, not about the environment but for example the
> existence of industries for which there is really no need, like
> advertising, public relations, corporate law, etc. Plus, the duplication of
> so many financial services that could be dispensed from a single source;
> the existence of competing products that are identical except for the
> packaging (aspirin, detergent, etc.)
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> The book I am looking for is very specifically related to this so ones
> that it sounds close to are not really relevant to my needs (like "The
> Affluent Society", for example.)
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[Marxism] Query

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Sometime in the 1980s I either read or read about a book that examined 
the wastefulness of capitalism, not about the environment but for 
example the existence of industries for which there is really no need, 
like advertising, public relations, corporate law, etc. Plus, the 
duplication of so many financial services that could be dispensed from a 
single source; the existence of competing products that are identical 
except for the packaging (aspirin, detergent, etc.)


The book I am looking for is very specifically related to this so ones 
that it sounds close to are not really relevant to my needs (like "The 
Affluent Society", for example.)

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Re: [Marxism] Query: Assessments of the South African anti-apartheid movement

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everything by Patrick Bond, and authors at http://amandla.org.za/

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> Can anyone suggest objective texts assessing the South African liberation
> struggle, including consideration of both its successes and failures?
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[Marxism] Query: Assessments of the South African anti-apartheid movement

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Can anyone suggest objective texts assessing the South African liberation
struggle, including consideration of both its successes and failures?

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Re: [Marxism] Query

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On 2/15/15 4:23 PM, Barry Finger wrote:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/subject/women/abstract/17_09.htm

Barry



Bingo!!!

The capitalist state evicts a working-class family which has lost its 
breadwinner and cannot pay the rent. The bailiff appears with police, or 
militia, a whole squad of them. To effect an eviction in a working-class 
district a whole detachment of Cossacks is required. Why? Because the 
bailiff and the militiaman refuse to go without a very strong military 
guard. They know that the scene of an eviction arouses such fury among 
the neighbours, among thousands and thousands of people who have been 
driven to the verge of desperation, arouses such hatred towards the 
capitalists and the capitalist state, that the bailiff and the squad of 
militiamen run the risk of being torn to pieces at any minute. Large 
military forces are required, several regiments must be brought into a 
big city, and the troops must come from some distant, outlying region so 
that the soldiers will not be familiar with the life of the urban poor, 
so that the soldiers will not be "infected" with socialism.


The proletarian state has to forcibly move a very poor family into a 
rich man's flat. Let us suppose that our squad of workers' militia is 
fifteen strong: two sailors, two soldiers, two class-conscious workers 
(of whom, let us suppose, only one is a member of our Party, or a 
sympathiser), one intellectual, and eight from the poor working people, 
of whom at least five must be women, domestic servants, unskilled 
labourers, and so forth. The squad arrives at the rich man's flat, 
inspects it and finds that it consists of five rooms occupied by two men 
and two women--"You must squeeze up a bit into two rooms this winter, 
citizens, and prepare two rooms for two families now living in cellars. 
Until the time when, with the aid of engineers (you are an engineer, 
aren't you?), we have built good dwellings for everybody, you will have 
to squeeze up a little. Your telephone will serve ten families. This 
will save a hundred hours of work wasted on shopping, and so forth. Now 
in your family there are two unemployed persons who can perform light 
work: a citizeness fifty-five years of age and a citizen fourteen years 
of age. They will be on duty for three hours a day supervising the 
proper distribution of provisions for ten families and keeping the 
necessary account of this. The student citizen in our squad will now 
write out this slate order in two copies and you will be kind enough to 
give us a signed declaration that you will faithfully carry it out."




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https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/subject/women/abstract/17_09.htm

Barry

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> Years ago, probably before I got on the Internet, I read an article in which 
> Lenin describes moving poor Muscovites into rich people's apartments. For the 
> life of me, I can't find it now or in previous attempts on MIA. Help would be 
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[Marxism] Query

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Years ago, probably before I got on the Internet, I read an article in 
which Lenin describes moving poor Muscovites into rich people's 
apartments. For the life of me, I can't find it now or in previous 
attempts on MIA. Help would be most appreciated.

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[Marxism] Query from a lurker

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Anyone know what the relation was between the Workers Clubs and CPUSA, 
or where I can find out more about former? Apparently, the following 
groups donated a half page advertisement to the 10th anniversary edition 
of the Daily Worker:


N.Y. City Clubs: Artef Workers Club, Bath. Beach Workers Club, Boro Park 
Workers Club, Bridge Plaza Workers Club, Brighton Beach Workers Club, 
Bronx Workers Club, Brownsville Workers Club, Brownsville Youth Center, 
Coney Island Workers Club. Downtown Workers Club, East N.Y. Workers 
Club, East Side Workers Club, Hinsdale Workers Club, Jackson Workers 
Club, Jerome Workers Club, Mapleton Workers Club, Middle Bronx Workers 
Club, New Lots Workers Club, Prospect Workers Club, Vegetarian Workers 
Club, Williamsburg Workers Club, Workers Self- Education Club, White 
Plains Workers Club, Zukunft Workers Club; Chicago: Hirsch Leckert 
Workers Club, North West Workers Club, West Side Workers Club, M. 
Winchevsky Workers Club; Philadelphia: Down Town Workers Club, 
Strawberry Mansion Workers Club; Detroit: Jewish Young Workers Club, 
Oakland Workers Club, West Side Workers Club; Boston: Dorchester Workers 
Club, Roxbury Workers Club; Baltimore Workers Club; Cleveland Workers 
Club; Los Angeles Workers Club; Minneapolis Workers Club; Newark Workers 
Club; New Brunswick Workers Club


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[Marxism] Query on Bill Kitt

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On 12/15/14 12:55 PM, John Plant wrote:

Dear Louis

Back in 1999 there was a post by you on the old marxism list that
mentioned Bill Kitt. I was looking for mentions of him, as his name
comes up in the FBI files on the assassination of Trotsky. A
"confidential informant" had informed NY FBI agent George C Starr that
Bill Kitt had said that Nathan Gould had been in a "very intimate"
relationship with "both the Ageloff girls". It is clear that Kitt was
not the informant, but somebody with whom Kitt would have felt able to
share party gossip was. The informant was well informed about the Abern
group, as well as who was where during the splits and mergers of the
period. He (male gender is confirmed by a defect in redaction) claimed
to have met Sylvia at the SWP HQ. He knew that Felix Morrow was
organising and recruiting guards for Trotsky in Mexico. The informant
had a short name, 4 or 5 letters only, but consistently redacted. From
that info, do you have any clues as to the identity of the informant?

Best wishes

JP


John, I don't have anything on this but I will forward your query to 
Marxmail.


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Unfortunately this isn't a burning issue yet, but still...

On Wed, November 5, 2014 20:27, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
>  under communism we won't
> kill the ruling class but simply put it on an island (I remember it
> being Catalina) where they will live in luxury but unable to do any
> harm.

But living in luxery DOES do harm! As long as there is a worldwide
shortage of caviar and champagne, why should it go to the least deserving?

>How big is Catalina Island here?
I don't know. How big are the Galapagos islands? Maybe if they were
settled there, we could go back there in 1000 years and see if they've
evolved

- Jeff


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I thought that Trotsky wrote something like this in "If America Should 
go communist" but apparently not. It says that under communism we won't 
kill the ruling class but simply put it on an island (I remember it 
being Catalina) where they will live in luxury but unable to do any 
harm. Maybe it was a Fred Halstead or Peter Camejo speech. Any ideas?

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[Marxism] Query

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Hello Shiraz,

First of all, your translation of footnote 20 is inaccurate.  I would
translate it perhaps as follows:

> It is hardly surprising that the economists, influenced by material
> interests, have overlooked the content (Formgehalt) of the relative
> expression of value, if before Hegel the professional logicians even
> overlooked the content (Forminhalt) of the paradigms of judgment and
> inference.

Here is footnote 20 in German:

> Es ist kaum verwunderlich, daß die Oekonomen, ganz unter dem Einfluß
> stofflicher Interessen, den Formgehalt des relativen Werthausdrucks
> übersehn haben, wenn vor Hegel die Logiker von Profession sogar den
> Forminhalt der Urtheils- und Schlußparadigmen übersahen.

http://telota.bbaw.de/mega/#?doc=MEGA_A2_B005-00_ETX.xml&book=5&part=0&pageNr=32&startPage=32&endPage=32&startLine=38&endLine=41&startTerm=&endTerm=

The words "Formgehalt" or "Forminhalt" means "content of the form,"
therefore these words should certainly not be translated as "formal
side" or "formal aspect."  If one wants to use the word "aspect" one
would have to say "the contentual aspect of the expression".  It does
not refer to what the relative expression of value is an expression of,
but to the quality of this expression itself.

In the fourth edition, this footnote would fit into the beginning of the
section called "The content of the relative form of value". (Vintage
edition p. 140/141, I understand this is page identical to the Penguin
edition).  Marx criticizes the economists for only looking at the
quantitative aspect of the relative expression of value.  They are only
interested in whether 20 yards of linen "is worth few or many coats",
and they overlook the quality or content of this expression, namely that
linen is equated with coats.

Footnote 20 comes from an extended treatment of the form of value in the
First edition, which Marx found "difficult to understand because the
dialectic is much sharper ...", therefore the Introduction to the First
edition advised the reader unfamiliar with dialectical thinking to skip
it and instead read an extra appendix in the First edition about the
value form.

In the second and later editions, the Value Form Appendix was integrated
into the main text, and the passage with the "sharp" dialectic was left
out altogether.  Even the reference to this passage in the Introduction
was edited out of the "Introduction to the First Edition" reproduced in
these later editions.  You will therefore not find this passage in the
Vintage/Penguil edition).  Therefore I am reproducing here the relevant
passage from the Introduction of the First edition as it appears
in the First edition itself (and which I paraphrased above).  Marx
compares here Capital with his earlier booklet "Contribution to the
Critique of Political Economy":

> Was nun näher die Analyse der Werthsubstanz und der Werthgröße
> betrifft, so habe ich ||VIII| sie möglichst popularisirt. Anders mit
> der Analyse der Werthform. Sie ist schwerverständlich, weil die
> Dialektik viel schärfer ist als in der ersten Darstellung. Ich rathe
> daher dem nicht durchaus in dialektisches Denken eingewohnten Leser,
> den Abschnitt von p. 15 (Zeile 19 von oben) bis Ende p. 34 ganz zu
> überschlagen, und statt dessen den dem Buch zugefügten Anhang: „Die
> Werthform“ zu lesen.


Finally I'd like to draw your attention to the MEGAdigital project which
I used for this posting here:

http://mega.bbaw.de/megadigital

This project is publishing division 2 of MEGA (Capital and Marx's
Manuscripts leading up to Capital) on the web.  It is an indispensable
research tool which should be known much better.

Hans G Ehrbar

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[Marxism] Query

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Can anyone please help with the following inquiry-

In the first German edition of Capital ( 1867) Marx makes a following 
footnote reference:


““It is hardly surprising that economists, wholly under the influence of 
material interests, have overlooked the formal side of the relative of 
the relative expression of value, when professional logicians, before 
Hegel, even overlooked the formal aspect of the propositions and 
conclusions they used as examples.”


Can someone please point out for me where exactly, in the section on 
relative expression of value, does Marx make the footnote reference.


Marx made this reference in the first German edition (1867) and the 
Penguin Edition ( translated by Ben Fowkes) does not carry it.


Thank you

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[Marxism] Query re Hammett

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It's true too that in 1920 the Italian ruling class under Liberal leadership 
made use of Mussolini's Blackshirts to break a general strike and to attack the 
socialist movement more generally.  Given a place on the government's National 
Union electoral list the following year, the Fascists entered parliament with 
36 representatives; the year after, Mussolini was prime minister; three years 
after that, in 1925, he had established a dictatorship...
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Re: [Marxism] Query re Hammett

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> i think this is right.  in the 19th-century local governments in sicily
> enlisted the mafia to control more independent criminals and gangs, which
> entrenched the mafia in local politics.
>

Yeah, maybe. But a little digging suggests Hammett might have read
Burckhardt, which leads me to suspect he had in mind the condottieri.
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i think this is right.  in the 19th-century local governments in sicily 
enlisted the mafia to control more independent criminals and gangs, which 
entrenched the mafia in local politics. 
  
  
  
 
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Re: [Marxism] Query re Hammett

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I believe he's referring to the many occasions on which a leading general
overthrew the Emperor he had been fighting on behalf of.
Very glad to hear you're reading "Red Harvest," IMO it's so useful in
thinking about parallel situations involving capitalists/imperialist
states/etc. relying upon relatively subordinate allies with interests of
their own..

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> Wondering if anyone can help me with this passage from the first chapter of
> Dashiell Hammett's "Red Harvest" (1929):
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> "The strike lasted eight months. Both sides bled plenty. The wobblies had
> to do their own bleeding. Old Elihu hired gunmen, strike-breakers, national
> guardsmen and even parts of the regular army, to do his. When the last
> skull had been cracked, the last rib kicked in, organized labor in
> Personville was a used firecracker.
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> But, said Bill Quint, Old Elihu didn’t know his Italian history. He won the
> strike, but he lost his hold on the city and the state. To beat the miners
> he had to let his hired thugs run wild. When the fight was over he couldn’t
> get rid of them. He had given his city to them and he wasn’t strong enough
> to take it away from them. Personville looked good to them and they took it
> over. They had won his strike for him and they took the city for their
> spoils."
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> What's that about Italian history? What's he referring to?
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Re: [Marxism] Query re Hammett

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Simply an allusion to how the mafia was/is used in Italy?

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> Wondering if anyone can help me with this passage from the first chapter of
> Dashiell Hammett's "Red Harvest" (1929):
> 
> "The strike lasted eight months. Both sides bled plenty. The wobblies had
> to do their own bleeding. Old Elihu hired gunmen, strike-breakers, national
> guardsmen and even parts of the regular army, to do his. When the last
> skull had been cracked, the last rib kicked in, organized labor in
> Personville was a used firecracker.
> 
> But, said Bill Quint, Old Elihu didn’t know his Italian history. He won the
> strike, but he lost his hold on the city and the state. To beat the miners
> he had to let his hired thugs run wild. When the fight was over he couldn’t
> get rid of them. He had given his city to them and he wasn’t strong enough
> to take it away from them. Personville looked good to them and they took it
> over. They had won his strike for him and they took the city for their
> spoils."
> 
> What's that about Italian history? What's he referring to?
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[Marxism] Query re Hammett

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Wondering if anyone can help me with this passage from the first chapter of
Dashiell Hammett's "Red Harvest" (1929):

"The strike lasted eight months. Both sides bled plenty. The wobblies had
to do their own bleeding. Old Elihu hired gunmen, strike-breakers, national
guardsmen and even parts of the regular army, to do his. When the last
skull had been cracked, the last rib kicked in, organized labor in
Personville was a used firecracker.

But, said Bill Quint, Old Elihu didn’t know his Italian history. He won the
strike, but he lost his hold on the city and the state. To beat the miners
he had to let his hired thugs run wild. When the fight was over he couldn’t
get rid of them. He had given his city to them and he wasn’t strong enough
to take it away from them. Personville looked good to them and they took it
over. They had won his strike for him and they took the city for their
spoils."

What's that about Italian history? What's he referring to?
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[Marxism] query re healthcare budgeting

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I'm trying to find info on how countries with socialized medicine make and
revise budgets for hospitals, clinics and staff.

In the US we have a Rube Goldberg machine-style "system," the base of which
are Diagnoses-Related Groups, which are used to estimate how much
Medicare/Medicaid should allow hospitals to spend on clinically-similar
cases. Slapped on top of that are newer Value-Based Purchasing and
Accountable Care Organization schemes in which providers are penalized
and/or rewarded for meeting certain process and outcome goals within and
across partnering institutions.
.
There is no healthcare "market" in reality (despite all the rhetoric about
giving healthcare "consumers" "choice."

Nor, on the other hand is their real planning, but rather a jerry-rigged
system in-between.

So:

How do they do it in Cuba, in the UK, in the VA system here in the US? Are
budgets drawn up based on people and resources actually employed and used?
Are there fixed amounts based on patient flow? Some other criteria?
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Re: [Marxism] Query

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on Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 at 23:39, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> I thought it might have been in Trotsky's "History of the Russian 
> Revolution" but I couldn't turn anything up. Basically I am looking for
> an analysis that attributes ruling class "stupidity" (like Czar Nicholas
> in 1917) not to low IQ or inbreeding, etc. but a function of deep 
> insoluble crisis that makes just about any response look feckless and 
> ill-advised. 

  I don't know if there is one single poignant phrase, but the three chapters 
? Tsar and Tsarina
? The idea of a palace revolution
? The agony of the monarchy 

  provide alltogether the analysis which you mean. 

  The chapter titles are my translation from German, and I don't know if the 
English edition of the work uses the same division in chapters. Those quoted 
are chapters 4 to 6 in the German edition. 

 
Cheers, 
Lüko Willms


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[Marxism] Query

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I thought it might have been in Trotsky's "History of the Russian 
Revolution" but I couldn't turn anything up. Basically I am looking for 
an analysis that attributes ruling class "stupidity" (like Czar Nicholas 
in 1917) not to low IQ or inbreeding, etc. but a function of deep 
insoluble crisis that makes just about any response look feckless and 
ill-advised. Couldn't turn anything up in MIA search on "senility" and 
"ruling class"...


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[Marxism] Query on the Japanese left

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From a friend: "Is there is any article or book on Japan’s left that 
you recommend?  Any thought of JCP or progressive forces in Japan?"


I couldn't answer him. Any suggestions? My impression is that the left 
is even weaker in Japan than it is in the USA.



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[Marxism] query on the Export/Import Bank

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Can comrades suggest any Marxist readings about the functions of the
Export/Import Bank?

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[Marxism] query re media outlets

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Some Arab comrades will publish a statement in coming days about Iraq and
are looking for a list of sites worth sending it to.
Besides the obvious far left organizations' sites, what would comrades
suggest? I.e. sites like truthout, huffington post, middle east
focused-sites, etc.
This could easily be a high-volume thread so it might be better if you
reply to me offlist.
Thanks.

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Re: [Marxism] Query

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On 6/1/14 9:05 PM, Charles Faulkner wrote:

a variation on emo phillips' christian joke?


Yes, thanks.

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An old revolutionary walks across the Brooklyn Bridge one day, and he 
sees man of a similar age standing on the edge, about to jump. He runs 
over and says: "Stop. Don't do it."


"Why shouldn't I?" he asked.

"Well, there's so much to live for!"

"I'm just depressed, I've been a Communist all my life and the 
revolution seems as far away as ever"


"You're a Communist?"

"Yeah, why?"

"I am as well!! Did you originally join the Communist Party USA?"

"Yeah"

"Me too! Did you join the pro-Trotsky Communist League of America in 
1928, which later merged with the American Workers Party to form the 
Workers Party of America in 1934?"


"Yeah"

"Spooky, Me too! After the WPA was expelled from the Socialist Party of 
America in 1936 did you then go on to join the Socialist Workers Party 
USA and the fourth international?"


"I did actually…"

"Me too! In the 1940 dispute did you side with Cannon or Shachtman?"

"Cannon."

"Me too! In 1962 did you join Robertson's opposition caucus, the 
Revolutionary Tendency?"


"Yep."

" Holly shit! And of course like me you were expelled and went on to 
join the International Communist League (Spartacist)"


"Well that goes without saying!"

"In 1985 did you join the International Bolshevik Tendency who claimed 
that the Sparts have degenerated into an "obedience cult""


"No way!"

"Nah, me neither. In 1998 did you join the Internationalist Group after 
the Permanent Revolution Faction were expelled from the ICL?"


"Yeah! I can't believe this! Maybe I won't…."

"Die counterrevolutionary scum!". And he pushes him off the edge

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Re: [Marxism] Query

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a variation on emo phillips' christian joke? 

- Original Message -
From: "Louis Proyect via Marxism"  
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Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 5:42:46 PM 
Subject: [Marxism] Query 

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Hey Louis I hope you're well! I was wondering if you could help me out. 
I once read a really funny joke on your blog about these two leftists 
who discover they were part of the same groups until the end, when they 
split and so one of them pushes the other off the bridge or something. 
If you remember that could you link me to it? Thank you! 

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This was a joke that appeared on my blog apparently but I can't find it. 
Any clues? 
 
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[Marxism] Query

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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Hey Louis I hope you're well! I was wondering if you could help me out. 
I once read a really funny joke on your blog about these two leftists 
who discover they were part of the same groups until the end, when they 
split and so one of them pushes the other off the bridge or something. 
If you remember that could you link me to it? Thank you!


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This was a joke that appeared on my blog apparently but I can't find it. 
Any clues?


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