Re: [Marxism] Chemical weapons redux: taking the world to the brink of annihilation | MR Online
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Totally right. It just shows the utter confusion of all too many "socialists". It's like they don't even read the newspaper. John reimann On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 5:51 PM, mkaradjis wrote: > Not only would Assad need to be playibg the same role as Ho Chi Minh, but > Russia would need to be playing the same role as the USSR, whereas in fact > Russian imperialism un Syria is playing the same role as US imperialism in > Vietnam. Not that the US is playing the role in Syria that the USSR played > in Vietnam;on the contrary, it was USSR supplied anti aircraft > weaponry that helped the Vietnamese bring down hundreds of US warplanes, > whereas in Syria the US has gone out of its way to block every possible > avenue for delivery of anti aircraft weapons to the rebels. > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:41 AM John Reimann via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> POSTING RULES & NOTES >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> * >> >> >> Monthly Review always had soft Maoist politics. In other words, Stalinism. >> All the Stalinists and "ex" Stalinists are now returning to their roots as >> far as the war in Syria is concerned. The role of the capitalist class in >> the ex-colonial world? Yes, they can play an independent and progressive >> role. Class struggle in the ex-colonial world? It doesn't exist. The >> independent role of the working class there? Also non-existent. >> >> What's so disgraceful is all the supposed "Trotskyists" who have adapted >> to >> this situation and in practice are taking the same position when it comes >> to Syria. I had a long time "Trotskyist" tell me that the Syrian >> capitalist >> class is "different" from the capitalist class in Saudi Arabia. The clear >> implication was that the Syrian capitalists can play an independent role. >> This same person accused me of taking the same position in relation to >> Syria as Max Schachtman took in the Vietnam War. As older comrades will >> probably know, Schachtman - the former Trotskyist turned hard core >> anti-Communist - supported the US invasion of Vietnam. There is just one >> little problem with that accusation - well, actually one of several: For >> me >> to be taking the Schachtman position, then Assad must be playing the same >> role as Ho Chi Minh! >> >> These comrades have been hanging out with the Stalinists too long. >> >> John Reimann >> _ >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ >> options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com >> > -- *“How can we expect righteousness to prevail when there is hardly anyone willing to give himself up individually to a righteous cause? Such a fine sunny day, and I have to go, but what does my death matter, if through us thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?” *Sophie Scholl, executed by the Nazis 2/22/1943. She was 21 years old. Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Chemical weapons redux: taking the world to the brink of annihilation | MR Online
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Not only would Assad need to be playibg the same role as Ho Chi Minh, but Russia would need to be playing the same role as the USSR, whereas in fact Russian imperialism un Syria is playing the same role as US imperialism in Vietnam. Not that the US is playing the role in Syria that the USSR played in Vietnam;on the contrary, it was USSR supplied anti aircraft weaponry that helped the Vietnamese bring down hundreds of US warplanes, whereas in Syria the US has gone out of its way to block every possible avenue for delivery of anti aircraft weapons to the rebels. On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:41 AM John Reimann via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Monthly Review always had soft Maoist politics. In other words, Stalinism. > All the Stalinists and "ex" Stalinists are now returning to their roots as > far as the war in Syria is concerned. The role of the capitalist class in > the ex-colonial world? Yes, they can play an independent and progressive > role. Class struggle in the ex-colonial world? It doesn't exist. The > independent role of the working class there? Also non-existent. > > What's so disgraceful is all the supposed "Trotskyists" who have adapted to > this situation and in practice are taking the same position when it comes > to Syria. I had a long time "Trotskyist" tell me that the Syrian capitalist > class is "different" from the capitalist class in Saudi Arabia. The clear > implication was that the Syrian capitalists can play an independent role. > This same person accused me of taking the same position in relation to > Syria as Max Schachtman took in the Vietnam War. As older comrades will > probably know, Schachtman - the former Trotskyist turned hard core > anti-Communist - supported the US invasion of Vietnam. There is just one > little problem with that accusation - well, actually one of several: For me > to be taking the Schachtman position, then Assad must be playing the same > role as Ho Chi Minh! > > These comrades have been hanging out with the Stalinists too long. > > John Reimann > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Chemical weapons redux: taking the world to the brink of annihilation | MR Online
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Monthly Review always had soft Maoist politics. In other words, Stalinism. All the Stalinists and "ex" Stalinists are now returning to their roots as far as the war in Syria is concerned. The role of the capitalist class in the ex-colonial world? Yes, they can play an independent and progressive role. Class struggle in the ex-colonial world? It doesn't exist. The independent role of the working class there? Also non-existent. What's so disgraceful is all the supposed "Trotskyists" who have adapted to this situation and in practice are taking the same position when it comes to Syria. I had a long time "Trotskyist" tell me that the Syrian capitalist class is "different" from the capitalist class in Saudi Arabia. The clear implication was that the Syrian capitalists can play an independent role. This same person accused me of taking the same position in relation to Syria as Max Schachtman took in the Vietnam War. As older comrades will probably know, Schachtman - the former Trotskyist turned hard core anti-Communist - supported the US invasion of Vietnam. There is just one little problem with that accusation - well, actually one of several: For me to be taking the Schachtman position, then Assad must be playing the same role as Ho Chi Minh! These comrades have been hanging out with the Stalinists too long. John Reimann _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Chemical weapons redux: taking the world to the brink of annihilation | MR Online
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Mint Press was the source for another error-plagued and politically stupid article on Bolivia headlined "Another Latin American soft coup on tap?" that MRzine reposted on April 7. As in the case of Venezuela, a complex situation in which the Morales government has made some egregious errors is attributed almost 100% to US imperialism. Articles like these discredit MRzine and harm the cause of solidarity with the progressive forces in Latin America; when we propagate them they make us look like idiots incapable of serious critical engagement with reality. -Original Message- From: Marxism [mailto:marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Louis Proyect via Marxism Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:07 AM To: rfid...@ncf.ca Subject: [Marxism] Chemical weapons redux: taking the world to the brink of annihilation | MR Online POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sad to see MROnline serving as a propaganda outlet for the mass murder that took place in Douma in December. I blame John Bellamy Foster and his Rasputin aide John Mage for hiring someone with the same rancid politics as Yoshie Furuhashi. I guess the only saving grace is that at least he or she does include some useful posts. In seven years of genocidal war, Monthly Review has not published a single article on Syria. Instead it has allowed the current online auxiliary outlet and the one that Yoshie ran to crosspost the worst kind of garbage. Rick Sterling's article linked below appeared on Mint Press, a tawdry publication that was notorious for its article blaming East Ghouta rebels in 2013 for gassing their own families through the accidental mishandling of sarin as if they were the Three Stooges tossing around bottles. A few days after the article appeared, the reporter under whose name it appeared demanded its retraction since she had nothing to do with it. I doubt that Foster or Mage have given much thought to Syria. At least Foster is spending his time productively researching and writing about ecosocialism. On the other hand, Mage, who serves on the editorial board and has never written a single article in the last decade, is a worthless individual with no saving graces. https://mronline.org/2018/04/11/chemical-weapons-redux-taking-the-world-to-the-b rink-of-annihilation/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/rfidler%40ncf.ca _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
