Re: [Marxism] Imperialism: a critique of David Harvey

2017-09-05 Thread Michael Yates via Marxism
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I would be surprised if those discussion China as imperialist have read John 
Smith's book.
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Re: [Marxism] Imperialism: a critique of David Harvey

2017-09-05 Thread RKOB via Marxism

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In my opinion China has clearly become an imperialist power in the last 
decade. Nevertheless, its development has a clear uneven character.


For those who are interested in this issue I would like to refer to a 
number of studies and pamphlets:


China‘s transformation into an imperialist power. A study of the 
economic, political and military aspects of China as a Great Power, 
http://www.thecommunists.net/publications/revcom-number-4;


China’s Emergence as an Imperialist Power, 
http://newpol.org/content/china%E2%80%99s-emergence-%E2%80%A8imperialist-power


Is Lenin’s Theory of Imperialism Incompatible with the Concept of 
Permanent Revolution? 
https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/imperialism-theory-and-permanent-revolution/


The China Question and the Marxist Theory of Imperialism, 
https://www.thecommunists.net/theory/reply-to-csr-pco-on-china/


Lenin’s Theory of Imperialism and the Rise of Russia as a Great Power. 
On the Understanding and Misunderstanding of Today’s Inter-Imperialist 
Rivalry in the Light of Lenin’s Theory of Imperialism, 
http://www.thecommunists.net/theory/imperialism-theory-and-russia/


Russia and China as Great Imperialist Powers. A Summary of the RCIT’s 
Analysis, http://www.thecommunists.net/theory/imperialist-china-and-russia/



Am 04.09.2017 um 07:26 schrieb mkaradjis . via Marxism:

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"Chinese corporations are investing in mines in Africa and Latin
America, ports in Australia, Greece and Sri Lanka, etc."

It is fascinating to think the degree to which Chinese imperialism
plays such a dominant role in Greece through control of its main port,
yet if we were forced to think through old, established dogmatic
categories, we would have to insist that Greece was an imperialist
country and China was a semi-colonial (or "oppressed") country.

It is a good example of how refusing to see Russia and China as
imperialist powers seems to me to be a refusal to simply look today's
reality in the face.

It is true, as Chris says, that it is complicated, "because China is
still a source of cheap labor for US, European and Japanese
corporations." That was also true of Tsarist Russia, whose vast
countryside was immensely more backward than is today's Chinese
countryside, yet Lenin, correctly, saw it as an imperialist country. I
believe that is called "the law of uneven and combined development."

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While I disagree with some of David Harvey's formulations, I think we do have 
to recognise that the rise of China is a significant change.

Chinese corporations are investing in mines in Africa and Latin America, ports 
in Australia, Greece and Sri Lanka, etc.

Does this make China an imperialist power?

The situation is complicated, because China is still a source of cheap labor 
for US, European and Japanese corporations.

Chris Slee

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Re: [Marxism] Imperialism: a critique of David Harvey

2017-09-03 Thread mkaradjis . via Marxism
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"Chinese corporations are investing in mines in Africa and Latin
America, ports in Australia, Greece and Sri Lanka, etc."

It is fascinating to think the degree to which Chinese imperialism
plays such a dominant role in Greece through control of its main port,
yet if we were forced to think through old, established dogmatic
categories, we would have to insist that Greece was an imperialist
country and China was a semi-colonial (or "oppressed") country.

It is a good example of how refusing to see Russia and China as
imperialist powers seems to me to be a refusal to simply look today's
reality in the face.

It is true, as Chris says, that it is complicated, "because China is
still a source of cheap labor for US, European and Japanese
corporations." That was also true of Tsarist Russia, whose vast
countryside was immensely more backward than is today's Chinese
countryside, yet Lenin, correctly, saw it as an imperialist country. I
believe that is called "the law of uneven and combined development."

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> While I disagree with some of David Harvey's formulations, I think we do have 
> to recognise that the rise of China is a significant change.
>
> Chinese corporations are investing in mines in Africa and Latin America, 
> ports in Australia, Greece and Sri Lanka, etc.
>
> Does this make China an imperialist power?
>
> The situation is complicated, because China is still a source of cheap labor 
> for US, European and Japanese corporations.
>
> Chris Slee
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Re: [Marxism] Imperialism: a critique of David Harvey

2017-09-03 Thread Philip Ferguson via Marxism
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Yes, rise of China is very important.  And exactly what category it fits in
is complex for the reasons you identify.

Phil



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> While I disagree with some of David Harvey's formulations, I think we do
> have to recognise that the rise of China is a significant change.
>
> Chinese corporations are investing in mines in Africa and Latin America,
> ports in Australia, Greece and Sri Lanka, etc.
>
> Does this make China an imperialist power?
>
> The situation is complicated, because China is still a source of cheap
> labor for US, European and Japanese corporations.
>
> Chris Slee
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Re: [Marxism] Imperialism: a critique of David Harvey

2017-09-03 Thread Tristan Sloughter via Marxism
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> Chinese corporations are investing in mines in Africa and Latin America

And military bases in Africa and the Middle East.
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Re: [Marxism] Imperialism: a critique of David Harvey

2017-09-03 Thread Chris Slee via Marxism
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While I disagree with some of David Harvey's formulations, I think we do have 
to recognise that the rise of China is a significant change.

Chinese corporations are investing in mines in Africa and Latin America, ports 
in Australia, Greece and Sri Lanka, etc.

Does this make China an imperialist power?

The situation is complicated, because China is still a source of cheap labor 
for US, European and Japanese corporations.

Chris Slee

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