Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * If I misread, my apologies because there is no argument about Labor's shameful position in all of this while at least some members (I know) are supportive and some are going out into the streets. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * What you describe is disgusting and should be called out at every opportunity, but it sounds like Germany and Europe. The subculture here is so dominated by far left politics that even a whiff of anit-Palestinian sentiment is grounds for becoming persona non-gratia. Not on the west coast, east coast, or appalachia where many comrades of mine are organizing among the most hard core Trump folks. It sucks that what you've experience rears its head in what is called an antifa space, but in the U.S., we are lucky that is not tolerated. Problematic for U.S. incarnations is thinly disguised masculinity that has crowded out femme folks and in places where not many POC are involved, there is of course levels of internalized racism that just don't disappear because someone knows how to black bloc successfully. I would like to stress that on the west coast, the demographic is increasingly more and more POC that do not allow white folks to dictate their actions in spite of what the MSM is reporting. Anticap activists and organizers have many issues where, but antipathy for the Palestinian cause is one I've never had to experience. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "But the idea that the last - Israel supporters - is in any way a significant percentage is simply false " It is more subtle. There are, of course, outright supporters of Israel involved in Antifa and Autonomen groups, especially in Germany. They are disgusting freaks but have no problem using their shared Islamophobia to collaborate with the German state and the far-right, for example, in their recent bid to close pro-Palestine DJs out of a popular Autonomist-aligned club or their racist attacks on Rasmea Odeh. In practice it is, however, more like feigned support for Palestine mixed with bogus anti-Semitism witch-hunts, as outright attacks on Palestine liberation are no longer acceptable among other left formations. Those attitudes have been quite common in my experience, and they tail the politics of Jewish liberal NGOs that have similarly contradictory positions (IfNotNow, JFREJ, etc.). So they may not be flying the Israeli flag (as in Germany) but they are still Zionists and have been pretty instrumental in making Palestine liberation an exception in Left coalitions. I'd add it's a problem that's not unique to Antifa but it's one place I've seen it treated as acceptable. I'd also emphasize I am not saying everyone involved in Antifa has Zionist or Zionist-apologetic politics, but enough do and in my experience it wasn't discrediting or grounds for exclusion/expulsion. Naturally I can't cite something more authoritative than what I've witnessed personally, so I'll just leave it at that! Amith R. Gupta On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:24 AM Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 6/5/20 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Masko wrote: > > Folks I know personally do not sneer at peaceful protests and work to > > separate their actions so the old tired out narrative of peaceful > > protest hijacked is provable to be false, along with the idea violence > > is used that somehow soils the other peaceful protest when the fact is > > that those who often put their bodies on the line protecting POC are > > vilified and lumped in with looters (god forbid anyone loot) and > > property destruction/vandalism. > > I am not even sure what it means to protect POC just as long it doesn't > involve torching a post office or a library. When the Migizi American > Indian community center burned down, someone excused it because it was > an accident. It was collateral damage of the targeted building, the > fucking post office. Who in their right mind would want to torch the > post office that is paid for by our tax dollars and that Donald Trump > also wants to destroy? Besides the post office, a library got torched. > > In any case, this business about "riots" has wound down, except kept > alive by Trump and his minions. Almost everybody is involved in > traditional protests, number one, and, number two, does so without > needing to be defended. There will still be cop attacks as took place > near the White House but it is simply beyond the scope of any antifa > activists to serve as a defense guard when there are 480 cities that > have seen protests, including tiny upstate NY towns that I have reported > on. In both Walkill and Monroe, everything happened without any cop > attacks. I suspect that is true in nearly all cases. This is not Egypt > in 2011, even though Trump would like to be able to make it so. > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Jeffry Masko writes (in reference to what I wrote): "You assume that baristas, hair stylists, carpenters aren't putting their bodies on the line and normally a lot wouldn't be because they are at work." I never even implied any such thing. All I said was that the unions (and please note: there are a lot more unions than simply blue collar construction unions) are missing in action. Sure, there are workers out there (including baristas and hair dressers, who are also part of the working class, despite what some seem to think). What's not out there is any serious union presence. Comrades can debate whether this is necessary. But I don't see how they can claim it's untrue. John -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Just for clarification when confronting police lines or when police lines mobilize, it's not uncommon to put "white bodies" between the riot cops and POC with the idea that they will get less of a beating. Sometimes it works that way, other times not so much. In any case, the call is from POC leaders of the action, whether it be blac blocking or just shielding folks who are trying to hold a "symbolic space". Not saying I agree with all of these techniques (they are not tactics), but that's what happens more times than not in these "riots". _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/5/20 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Masko wrote: Folks I know personally do not sneer at peaceful protests and work to separate their actions so the old tired out narrative of peaceful protest hijacked is provable to be false, along with the idea violence is used that somehow soils the other peaceful protest when the fact is that those who often put their bodies on the line protecting POC are vilified and lumped in with looters (god forbid anyone loot) and property destruction/vandalism. I am not even sure what it means to protect POC just as long it doesn't involve torching a post office or a library. When the Migizi American Indian community center burned down, someone excused it because it was an accident. It was collateral damage of the targeted building, the fucking post office. Who in their right mind would want to torch the post office that is paid for by our tax dollars and that Donald Trump also wants to destroy? Besides the post office, a library got torched. In any case, this business about "riots" has wound down, except kept alive by Trump and his minions. Almost everybody is involved in traditional protests, number one, and, number two, does so without needing to be defended. There will still be cop attacks as took place near the White House but it is simply beyond the scope of any antifa activists to serve as a defense guard when there are 480 cities that have seen protests, including tiny upstate NY towns that I have reported on. In both Walkill and Monroe, everything happened without any cop attacks. I suspect that is true in nearly all cases. This is not Egypt in 2011, even though Trump would like to be able to make it so. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/5/20 12:15 PM, John Reimann via Marxism wrote: I never mentioned anything about carpenters or any other sector of the working class. Just do me a favor and don't put peaceful in scare quotes again. Mass actions are meant to be peaceful. My only difference with some who organize them is the need to resort to self-defense when necessary. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * You assume that baristas, hair stylists, carpenters aren't putting their bodies on the line and normally a lot wouldn't be because they are at work. This time, they are. In fact, I personally know of a barista (from Starbucks) and a carpenter (won't say from where) who regularly go out in the same affinity group. Without a doubt there are hair stylists in SF/Oakland doing the same thing. If you aren't active in these groups, you won't get a notice for you to show up so if you don't know about them that doesn't mean they are not happening and two, you aren't going to really know they're demographics as they are not homogeneous. Folks I know personally do not sneer at peaceful protests and work to separate their actions so the old tired out narrative of peaceful protest hijacked is provable to be false, along with the idea violence is used that somehow soils the other peaceful protest when the fact is that those who often put their bodies on the line protecting POC are vilified and lumped in with looters (god forbid anyone loot) and property destruction/vandalism. And the assumption that all of these "instigators" are white kids with universal privilege is simply not what I see in the bay area. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis writes: "Why is peaceful in scare quotes? What are people who work as baristas or hair stylists supposed to do? Wait until your carpenters put their bodies on the line? I ordinarily don't pay attention to your workerism but in this instance it is galling." I never mentioned anything about carpenters or any other sector of the working class. Nor have I ever mentioned anything about any particular sector of the working class. Maybe Louis doesn't see hair stylists or baristas as part of the working class, but I do. Louis may find it galling that I see the working class as the only force that can transform society, but I hardly think that view is "workerism". John -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 6/5/20 9:41 AM, John Reimann via Marxism wrote: The main point is this, though: If you denounce antifa without an explanation of why they have become so prominent and what is the alternative, then what is left is simply the implication that we should return to the nice, safe, "peaceful" marches -- the same approach that has accomplished nothing. Why is peaceful in scare quotes? What are people who work as baristas or hair stylists supposed to do? Wait until your carpenters put their bodies on the line? I ordinarily don't pay attention to your workerism but in this instance it is galling. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Of course unfocused property destruction does not advance the movement. But the ritual denunciations of Antifa don't help clarify things either. Especially in such a group of anarchists which is not really an organization, there can be all types - woman beaters, racists, and supporters of Israel included. But the idea that the last - Israel supporters - is in any way a significant percentage is simply false. It just doesn't stand to reason, nor does it meet with my personal experience here in the SF Bay Area. The main point is this, though: If you denounce antifa without an explanation of why they have become so prominent and what is the alternative, then what is left is simply the implication that we should return to the nice, safe, "peaceful" marches -- the same approach that has accomplished nothing. Antifa has become so prominent because of the absence of a large sector of the working class, specifically because of the absence of the unions. If the union leadership were organizing and mobilizing its membership, it would be shutting down the country and creating a real massive working class movement. The presence of a mass or organized workers would also tend to lead to a serious discussion on both program and tactics. So, if you want to denounce something, start by denouncing the union leadership. John Reimann -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/12/18 4:25 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote: This discussion of ANTIFA reminds me of what happened during the "Days of Rage' in 1969. That makes sense since the black bloc was a conscious attempt to replicate the Days of Rage. https://louisproyect.org/2011/11/11/black-bloc-inspired-by-weathermen/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This discussion of ANTIFA reminds me of what happened during the "Days of Rage' in 1969. During the course of one of the demonstrations (which involved "trashing" of department store windows) a Chicago Asst. DA (Richard Elrod) tried to tackle of weatherman demonstrator named Brian Flanagan --- the DA broke his neck diving at Flanagan and FLanagan was arrested with a MAJOR FELONY hanging over him --- Luckily he was acquitted because Elrod had brought the injury on himself -- so "our side" escaped that danger. Nevertheless, the Weatherman faction of SDS and later the Weather Underground played a major role in the disintegration of the movement after 1970 --- I don't want to minimize the role of agent provacateurs and FBI repression (including the murder of Black Panthers) but the explosion in the Town House in 1971 which killed three Weather-people actually short-circuited what would have been a horrible act of terrorism (exploding nail bombs at FOrt Dix) and subsequent activities of the Weather underground did not build any movement --- The SDS that disintegrated after 1969 had tremendous potential --- Even the ANC of South Africa confronted with massacres by the Apartheid government utilized its violence aimed at PROPERTY not people --- There are no "base areas" for guerrilla armies as in China or Vietnam --- there is no Debray-style "foco" point from which to harrass the capitalist state --- The method for beating the capitalists has yet to be discovered --- but a handful of individuals ready to use violence and maybe die if not suffer grievous injury and probable long prison sentences is probably not going to get us very far > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt > ions/marxism/mameerop%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/12/18 3:51 PM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote: The prosecution was dropped because the charges were trumped up. Of course they were trumped up but if people in masks had not been running down the streets breaking bank windows, they never would have been brought up in the first place. These brats running around like they were in Fort Lauderdale on spring break should be taken out to the barn and spanked by their daddies. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa Activists Are Freaking Out About a Proposed 'Unmasking' Law - VICE
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/12/18 8:07 AM, Thomas Campbell via Marxism wrote: Actually, all the charges against the Inauguration Day detainees have been dropped by prosecutors. Of the 21 people who admitted their guilt, only one person did four months in jail; the rest were not sentenced at all. No one is facing a lengthy prison term. This was a result of prosecution malfeasance involving the withholding of video evidence. It could have turned out worse. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/prosecutors-withdraw-inauguration-day-rioting-charges-against-7-people/2018/05/31/2dbb824c-6404-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa Activists Are Freaking Out About a Proposed 'Unmasking' Law - VICE
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/11/18 10:19 PM, Saman Sepehri via Marxism wrote: Louis, seriously... this is what you are focusing on? Rather than this is a right wing attack, comparing anti-fascists to the KKK? S. Okay. let me spell things out. The black bloc is a counter-productive tactic no matter the intentions of those that carry it out. When you wear masks and go on window-breaking rampages, it allows the state to discredit the entire movement. It also leads to terrible victimization. A number of people who had nothing to do with the window-breaking idiocy on Inauguration Day were swept up by the cops and now face lengthy prison terms. If a law is passed that prevents people wearing masks at protests, that will have zero impact on legitimate mass movement building. The Vietnam antiwar movement, the civil rights movement, the gay movement, the woman's liberation movement, the anti-nuclear movement all produced significant gains without having people wearing masks and breaking windows. These ultraleft idiots have to get their act together if the law passes. It may lead to agent-provocateurs finding other ways to make money but the economy is expanding and they should do okay. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Antifa Activists Are Freaking Out About a Proposed 'Unmasking' Law - VICE
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * From the Article Louis posted: In August 2017, an Arizona lawmaker said he wanted to use unmasking laws to go after Antifa protestors by explicitly comparing them to the KKK. "The thugs wearing masks and throwing things at police officers and breaking windows and robbing and pillaging while wearing masks and hoods are the equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan," state representative Jay Lawrence told the Arizona Capitol Times. “Now, there are no hangings of white people, yet.” from Louis: Maybe these idiots will finally realize that their tactics are self-defeating. Louis, seriously... this is what you are focusing on? Rather than this is a right wing attack, comparing anti-fascists to the KKK? S. On Wednesday, July 11, 2018, 6:35:33 PM CDT, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Maybe these idiots will finally realize that their tactics are self-defeating. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjb8kw/antifa-activists-are-freaking-out-about-a-proposed-unmasking-law _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/p70volkl%40yahoo.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] ‘Antifa’ Grows as Left-Wing Faction Set to, Literally, Fight the Far Right
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/18/17 3:35 PM, Greg McDonald wrote: http://libcom.org/blog/6-reasons-why-chomsky-wrong-about-antifa-18082017 1) Antifa's 'predecessors' are more significant than Chomsky thinks (clip) "And in North America they were the Teamsters who formed a defense guard against the Silver Shirts in the 1930s..." --- This is a complete crock of shit. Here is what the Trotskyists did. It had nothing in common with the kids in masks throwing bags of urine at the fascists in Charlottesville. The United States in the 1930s became a battleground between industrial workers and the capitalist class over whether workers would be able to form industrial unions. There had been craft unions for decades, but only industrial unions could fight for all of the workers in a given plant or industry. This fight had powerful revolutionary implications since the captains of heavy industry required a poorly paid, docile work-force in order to maximize profits in the shattered capitalist economy. There were demonstrations, sit-down strikes and even gun-fights led by the Communist Party and other left groups to establish this basic democratic right. Within this political context, fascist groups began to emerge. They drew their inspiration from Mussolini’s fascists or Hitler’s brown-shirts. In a time of severe social crisis, groups of petty-bourgeois and lumpen elements begin to coalesce around demagogic leaders. They employ “radical” sounding rhetoric but in practice seek out working- class organizations to intimidate and destroy. One such fascist group was the Silver Shirts of Minneapolis, Minnesota. In chapter eleven of “Teamster Politics”, SWP leader Farrell Dobbs recounts “How the Silver Shirts Lost Their Shrine in Minneapolis”. It is the story of how Local 544 of the Teamsters union, led by Trotskyists, defended itself successfully from a fascist expedition into the city. Elements of the Twin Cities ruling-class, alarmed over the growth of industrial unionism in the city, called in Silver Shirt organizer Roy Zachary. Zachary hosted two closed door meetings on July 29 and August 2 of 1938. Teamster “moles” discovered that Zachary intended to launch a vigilante attack against Local 544 headquarters. They also discovered that Zachary planned to work with one F.L. Taylor to set up an “Associated Council of Independent Unions”, a union-busting operation. Taylor had ties to a vigilante outfit called the “Minnesota Minute Men”. Local 544 took serious measures to defend itself. It formed a union defense guard in August 1938 open to any active union member. Many of the people who joined had military experience, including Ray Rainbolt the elected commander of the guard. Rank-and-filers were former sharpshooters, machine gunners and tank operators in the US Army. The guard also included one former German officer with WWI experience. While the guard itself did not purchase arms except for target practice, nearly every member had hunting rifles at home that they could use in the circumstance of a Silver Shirt attack. Events reached a climax when Silver Shirt leader William Dudley Pelley came to speak at a rally in the wealthy section of Minneapolis. Ray Rainbolt organized a large contingent of defense guard members to pay a visit to Calhoun Hall where Pelley was to make his appearance. The powerful sight of disciplined but determined unionists persuaded the audience to go home and Pelley to cancel his speech. This was the type of conflict taking place in 1938. A capitalist class bent on taming workers; fascist groups with a documented violent, anti-labor record; industrial workers in motion: these were the primary actors in that period. It was characteristic of the type of class conflict that characterized the entire 1930s. It is useful to keep this in mind when we speak about McCarthyism. full: https://louisproyect.org/2017/08/18/the-ex-member-of-larouches-fascist-cult-who-writes-for-robert-parrys-consortium-news/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] ‘Antifa’ Grows as Left-Wing Faction Set to, Literally, Fight the Far Right
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://libcom.org/blog/6-reasons-why-chomsky-wrong-about-antifa-18082017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Gradg3te0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gkqL0I20sI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgtgQIHFAYA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] ‘Antifa’ Grows as Left-Wing Faction Set to, Literally, Fight the Far Right
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I always thought the more contemporary manifestations of antifa originated among left-wing supporters of football clubs, in no small part as a response to right wing football hooliganism, but what do I know? Greg McDonald _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
