Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
> Agreed. I know there are still some matplotlib users on python2.3, but > they'll have to move on eventually... ;) Yes, we decided to drop support for python2.3, because we use decorators. But I am not going to drop support for 2.4, because Debian (my distribution) still uses it by default. :)

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Andrew Straw
Fernando Perez wrote: > It's probably worth mentioning that one of the reasons John chose Agg > is because of image *quality* concerns. If I'm not mistaken (John and > A. Straw will correct me as needed), the OpenGL anti-aliasing quality > is positively horrible when you compare it to the quality

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Fernando Perez
On Jan 4, 2008 1:04 PM, Andrew Straw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent summary, Fernando -- are looking to burnish your visual > neuroscientist credentials? ;) Gotta start somewhere, no? :) Now I just have to convince the NSF it's true as well... Back to grant writing :) > > The other issu

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Boyd Waters
On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > No worries, you misunderstood me :) My point was that a linux > developer could keep a vwmare image around to produce the binary > windows *installer* for win32 users, if there were compiled code > around. Oh. That's all right, then. Sorry.

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Fernando Perez
On Jan 4, 2008 1:00 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2008 8:44 PM, Darren Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why would your users have to compile anything on windows? Matplotlib's > > windows > > users just run the installer, the compilation has already been done. Am I

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Fernando Perez
On Jan 4, 2008 1:04 PM, Boyd Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > > > Indeed, compiled code in a project basically forces you to have a > > windows developer in the team who can build the binary installers. > > These days with vmware/qemu it's n

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Michael Droettboom
Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 7:41 PM, Michael Droettboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ondrej Certik wrote: >>> * freetype (this could be rewritten using ctypes) >> I see that pyglet already has a freetype wrapper using ctypes -- it >> would be interesting to see if that could be used as a

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Boyd Waters
On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > Indeed, compiled code in a project basically forces you to have a > windows developer in the team who can build the binary installers. > These days with vmware/qemu it's not the end of the world (it can be > done in a normal computer running li

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Jan 4, 2008 8:44 PM, Darren Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2008 02:36:06 pm Ondrej Certik wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2008 8:19 PM, Fernando Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:55 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > * Agg (this could b

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Darren Dale
On Friday 04 January 2008 02:36:06 pm Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 8:19 PM, Fernando Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:55 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > * Agg (this could be optional) > > > > > > > > On the transforms branch, Agg is used for bez

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Fernando Perez
[ oops, this was meant to be on-list] Hey Ondrej, On Jan 4, 2008 12:36 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Fernando! > > what you said are valid points for matplotlib using Agg as a backend. > And as I said, > the default matplotlib installation should include it, no doubt about th

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Jan 4, 2008 8:19 PM, Fernando Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 11:55 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > * Agg (this could be optional) > > > > > > On the transforms branch, Agg is used for bezier curve realisation, > > > whether the Agg renderer is being used

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Fernando Perez
On Jan 4, 2008 11:55 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Agg (this could be optional) > > > > On the transforms branch, Agg is used for bezier curve realisation, > > whether the Agg renderer is being used or not. This is used for things > > like hit-testing and range-setting of p

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Jan 4, 2008 7:41 PM, Michael Droettboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ondrej Certik wrote: > > * freetype (this could be rewritten using ctypes) > > I see that pyglet already has a freetype wrapper using ctypes -- it > would be interesting to see if that could be used as a starting point. > That

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Michael Droettboom
Ondrej Certik wrote: > * freetype (this could be rewritten using ctypes) I see that pyglet already has a freetype wrapper using ctypes -- it would be interesting to see if that could be used as a starting point. That could be used as a starting point. (Of course, ctypes is an external dependen

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Michael, John and Gael, sorry for the later reply (holidays and stuff...) On Jan 1, 2008 4:51 AM, Michael Droettboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm off with family for the holidays, so my response will have to be somewhat > brief. > > I'm excited about the ideas you bring up... I first hear

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-03 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 12:40:26AM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > I think there should be just one 3D plotting > library in Python and imho matplotlib should do it. However, we need: > * it should be pure python > * fast and interactive 3D stuff > * needs to work out of the box on linux, mac os x,

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2008-01-01 Thread John Hunter
On Dec 30, 2007 12:33 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We should have gotten involved more in matplotlib development earlier, > but at least now. I think there should be just one 3D plotting > library in Python and imho matplotlib should do it. However, we need: Hi Ondrej, Sorry fo

Re: [matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2007-12-31 Thread Michael Droettboom
I'm off with family for the holidays, so my response will have to be somewhat brief. I'm excited about the ideas you bring up... I first heard about sympy at SciPy and was very impressed. Let's try to collaborate in any way possible. I know that "3D in matplotlib" already has some history

[matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2007-12-30 Thread Ondrej Certik
Resending, the first try doesn't seem to make it to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Dec 30, 2007 7:33 PM Subject: merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib To: matplotlib-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Hi matplotlib developers, we

[matplotlib-devel] merging sympy plotting stuff with matplotlib

2007-12-30 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi matplotlib developers, we are developing a symbolic manipulation library in pure Python: http://code.google.com/p/sympy/ and we wanted to do 3D plotting. To make a long story short, here is a tutorial for our 3D plotting stuff: http://code.google.com/p/sympy/wiki/PlottingModule here is a re