Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-24 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Mark Constable wrote: Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? snip I just wanted to point out that, based on some things I've been hearing recently, this thread has made anyone inside Intel who could

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-24 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Dave Neary wrote: In short, this thread has been counter-productive and I'd like everyone who was involved in it (including myuself) to reflect on that for a moment. Thank you. :-) -gabriel ___ MeeGo-community mailing list

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-24 Thread Mark Constable
On 25/02/11, Dave Neary wrote: Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? In short, this thread has been counter-productive and I'd like everyone who was involved in it (including myuself) to reflect on

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-23 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:28, Gabriel M. Beddingfield gabrb...@gmail.com wrote: Look, I think we all agree on open source. We disagree that open /development/ is always the right thing to do in every case.  I think that time-to-market is more important. The problem is that Doug Fisher

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Alistair Buxton
[forgot reply-to-all again, sorry] On 22 February 2011 05:54, Mark Constable ma...@renta.net wrote: import MeeGo.Components 0.1 import MeeGo.Media 0.1 import MeeGo.Sharing 0.1 Anyone know where the source to these components is hiding? Does Intel want any feedback or patches for this

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread John Veness
On 21/02/2011 19:50, Patrick Ohly wrote: On Mo, 2011-02-21 at 13:45 +, Dave Neary wrote: But even if the best placed person in the technical UX project agreed, the chances that it could be changed at this point, when we find out about it, are slim. The costs now would be much higher than if

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread martin brook
John, As far as I'm aware ISV's/OEM's are free to develop a UX on top of MeeGo to differentiate themselves in the marketplace ala TouchWiz, Motoblur, SenseUI etc. The UX is not part of MeeGo compliance and does not need to be open. vgrade On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:30 AM, John Veness

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread John Veness
On 22/02/2011 09:38, martin brook wrote: As far as I'm aware ISV's/OEM's are free to develop a UX on top of MeeGo to differentiate themselves in the marketplace ala TouchWiz, Motoblur, SenseUI etc. I know about that and don't have a problem with that, but I didn't think what Intel has just

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread martin brook
I did not say I was happy about the situation, I was just clarifying the rules as I understand them. On 22 Feb 2011 10:16, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen ad...@leinir.dk wrote: On Tuesday 22 Feb 2011 09:38:52 martin brook wrote: John, As far as I'm aware ISV's/OEM's are free to develop a UX on top

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Couldn't agree more. Now that Intel's is the primary driver, it should show the way to other vendors or at least engage by providing a proper open source tablet UX. If not, then please let us stop wasting resources on creating UXs altogether and invest them in the core os as this needs much love

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Mark Constable
On 22/02/11, martin brook wrote: I think Dave's point, which I fully agree with, is that the community would like to see things, and be able to get involved, at the design and wireframe stage. Even if the code isn't finished, I assume the design and wireframe specs which explain how the

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread John Veness
On 22/02/2011 12:58, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: What slows things down (IMHO) it the community whining about how (a) it was all done in secret, (b) how they haven't released it publicly, (c) how there's no public repos, (d) how it's not integrated to bugs.meego.com blah blah blah. Wow.

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread martin brook
There seems to be a misunderstanding what constitues MeeGo Community. See meego.com/community Upshot is its all of us. Vgrade On 22 Feb 2011 13:49, John Veness john.ma...@pelago.org.uk wrote: ___ MeeGo-community mailing list MeeGo-community@meego.com

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, John Veness wrote: On 22/02/2011 12:58, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: What slows things down (IMHO) it the community whining about how (a) it was all done in secret, (b) how they haven't released it publicly, (c) how there's no public repos, (d) how it's not integrated

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Dave Neary
Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: If the community is such a valuable part of shipping products on time... where is the community's tablet UX? Oh my. What monster topic have I unleashed? My point, I think, is that design can happen in the public eye without being design by community. I'm

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Alistair Buxton
On 22 February 2011 15:19, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Note that the tablet UX still doesn't have a code-centric project home page yet. I think it would be hugely useful for someone to start a Wiki page for the tablet UX, linking to the various Git modules, documenting how to build

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Dave Neary wrote: Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: If the community is such a valuable part of shipping products on time... where is the community's tablet UX? Oh my. What monster topic have I unleashed? :-) My point, I think, is that design can happen in the public

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
On Tuesday 22 Feb 2011 15:48:31 Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Dave Neary wrote: Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: If the community is such a valuable part of shipping products on time... where is the community's tablet UX? Oh my. What monster topic have I unleashed?

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Marco Martin
On Tuesday 22 February 2011, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, John Veness wrote: On 22/02/2011 12:58, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: What slows things down (IMHO) it the community whining about how (a) it was all done in secret, (b) how they haven't released it

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:48:25 am Randall Arnold wrote: This isn't about us vs them. Intel is a part of the community. And as for their every word and action being scrutinized, that's inflammatory and hyperbolic. Let's avoid extreme dialog. Well, the impression I get from the

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Randall Arnold
- Original message - From: Gabriel M. Beddingfield‎ gabrb...@gmail.com To: meego-community@meego.com Subject: Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:28:40 -0600 On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:48:25 am Randall Arnold wrote: This isn't about us vs

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Alistair Buxton
On 18 February 2011 10:54, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Speaking of which, what would be the way to change the resolution for it on the ideapad such that it will be usable on it? It is quite a pain to have to switch to a VT and kill the focused app to get back to either panels

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
On Monday 21 Feb 2011 12:58:10 Alistair Buxton wrote: On 18 February 2011 10:54, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Speaking of which, what would be the way to change the resolution for it on the ideapad such that it will be usable on it? It is quite a pain to have to switch to a VT

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Patrick Ohly
On Mo, 2011-02-21 at 13:45 +, Dave Neary wrote: But even if the best placed person in the technical UX project agreed, the chances that it could be changed at this point, when we find out about it, are slim. The costs now would be much higher than if the change were proposed made several

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dave, I would like to join this opinion of yours. If anything, my talk at meego con showed the ill results for Maemo but there was no option there to do UX development in the open. Alas, MeeGo seems to repeat most of the mistakes time after time without improving. This dramatically can influence

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Alistair Buxton a.j.bux...@gmail.com wrote: Also, the panels aren't overflowing the screen. I can see why you would think that, but they are actually supposed to touch the bottom of the display. They overflow my display on the ideapad. By now I can't really

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Niels Mayer
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mark Constable ma...@renta.net wrote: Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? Interestingly, the files in the Intel Tablet UX (

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Mark Constable
On 22/02/11, Niels Mayer wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mark Constable ma...@renta.net wrote: Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? Interestingly, the files in the Intel Tablet UX (

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Speaking of which, what would be the way to change the resolution for it on the ideapad such that it will be usable on it? It is quite a pain to have to switch to a VT and kill the focused app to get back to either panels ,which ofcourse go out of screen boundary or the apps menu which takes the

[MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Constable
On 18/02/11, Bao, Nick wrote: The next 1.1 update release will be on Feb 25th. http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1/latest/ Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? --markc