Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again

2013-08-01 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Must resist temptation, holding back the finger from the F button, no it's getting closeer... gk. help mre .. . .miust sent now. hen k wh On 01/08/13 11:28, Gary Hurst wrote: hattaway might suffer such delusions, but i keep him grounded to reality. but which of us is

Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while...

2013-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Really? That's too bad. I really enjoyed my stay in the guest house. I could have holed up there for a while. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:38 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hi Jaime, Hursty gave me so much crap for living there I finally had to let

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
I believe a recent study showed that the bulk of Medicare expenditures take place in the last two years of the patient's life. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here. anytime an old

Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

2013-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Yup. We refer to the meeting as WikiBanned. Dan thawing out in the Florida sunshine Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2013, at 1:06 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: You literally met in Iceland? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:56 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: yes, i

Re: [MBZ] Hey Jaime what do you think about this car?

2013-08-01 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
It might clean up, but doesn't impress me overall. Too dirty, looks like it was left outside too long. Jaime On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while...

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Hattaway
Oh the new digs has a good place for that too. We just had to put it all on one floor.  Except for the apartment which is upstairs.  Three floors brings about grief as you approach 70.  No matter what it is you want, the damn thing is on another floor.  Never fails. We figure our caretakers

Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Hattaway
ROFLMAO From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] parts sources, again and again Must resist temptation, holding back the finger  from the F button,

Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while...

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Hattaway
One street back from the lake (c; Richard From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while... On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:38:25 -0700 (PDT)

Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

2013-08-01 Thread Rich Thomas
He was stuck in Harare airport for the past month surviving on grilled ants and bush meat skewers --R On 8/1/13 1:09 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: no, we didn't meet in iceland:) although i did consider stopping over to see penoff in tampa, but hector wasn't around, so i sat on the bay in st

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Rich Thomas
Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a yacht would be nice. --R On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of how don't disturb them. i ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Gary Hurst
you need to come to south florida and start running scams. lots of yachts in this neighborhood! On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a yacht would be nice. --R On

Re: [MBZ] Hey Jaime what do you think about this car?

2013-08-01 Thread Curt Raymond
Other than the auto box and color (inside and out) its just like mine. If it were closer I'd consider getting it and putting my manual trans in it which would cure my problems... Oh well. I need to stop by Sears and pick up some long allen sockets (which is something I just ought to have

Re: [MBZ] Hey Jaime what do you think about this car?

2013-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
He says there is no rust yet it sure looks like rust by the tail lights Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: It might clean up, but doesn't impress me overall. Too dirty, looks like it was left outside too long. Jaime On Wed,

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Gary Hurst
this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have it today. what is the point of any kind of insurance? to protect you from financial ruin in case something goes south on you. so say all your crap is worth $50k, you you might buy some kind of fire/theft type insurance

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Allan Streib
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they probably would not have bothered to develop the drug in the first place. True, but how did we let ourselves get in the position of subsidizing other countries' government health plans, and how to we get out of

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have it today. what is the point of any kind of insurance? to protect you from financial ruin in case something goes south on you. This is certainly

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been feeding us for a long time. But I've said this before and I'll keep saying it: insurance is the one product in the marketplace that everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon

Re: [MBZ] Been Asleep for a while...

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 05:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: One street back from the lake (c; Cute, but not the answer I was desiring (And, BTW, I'm not interested in moving there.) Craig Richard From: Craig

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:01:09 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you need to come to south florida and start running scams. lots of yachts in this neighborhood! Yes, but are the user-owned or bank-owned? Do we have a yacht bubble? Craig On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Because they can. Eli Lilly is one of the worst offenders. Dan On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Frederick Moir
+1   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?] Because they can. Eli Lilly is one of

[MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Hi All: My son was driving his 3-pedal 1980 240D ( with about 300K mi.) yesterday when the car began to run warm. Suddenly he heard a loud PLINK, and something falling out of the engine compartment. Then the engine overheated and he began to lose coolant. The following very large (18mm

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Larry T
well, competition is supposed to prevent what you described. (gary wrote: avoid providing the service that they've contracted to provide.). IMO when the govt gets involved and the Law of Unintended Consequences take over then all hell-o kicks in. if the insureres could cross state lines

[MBZ] A Mercedes with the M103 engine that can last another couple hundred miles!

2013-08-01 Thread Chris James
An eBay listing I came across: 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E (Teal Blue, not Seafoam!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-Mercedes-Benz-300E-4-dr-Sedan-Seafoam-Green-/281144405043 Some highlights from the ad: Low risk, high reward for a Mercedes! Needs a Tune-Up Replace the Battery? Replace the

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 31/07/2013 6:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental issues. Possibly a

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
Hi All: My son was driving his 3-pedal 1980 240D ( with about 300K mi.) yesterday when the car began to run warm. Suddenly he heard a loud PLINK, and something falling out of the engine compartment. Then the engine overheated and he began to lose coolant. The following very large (18mm

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Gary Hurst
that canadian pharmacy talk is largely fraud, btw. it certainly is not from a licensed pharmacy in canada but pure 3rd world black market, mostly out of india. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life,

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread OK Don
As well as the pulley that drives all the belts, hence no water pump, fan, alternator, AC, power steering, etc. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All: My son was driving his 3-pedal 1980 240D ( with about 300K mi.) yesterday when the car began to

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Gary Hurst
i'm gonna guess most of this shit is bank owned. they aren't even real sea voyaging people, as far as i can tell. they just go out on a weekend day and get drunk with their friends, screaming and blaring music while basically floating along in the intercoastal. the also each have an amg

[MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

2013-08-01 Thread Fmiser
Hendrik - what have you done to my Vegemite??? I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old jar. The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in it. At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Fmiser
Greg wrote: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Sheared off. On Aug 1, 2013 1:58 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Greg wrote: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from?

Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

2013-08-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
This is ghastly stuff so an ingredient update can only help.. On Aug 1, 2013 1:44 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hendrik - what have you done to my Vegemite??? I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old jar. The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread WILTON
I missed growing my own food and exercising daily. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?] On 31/07/2013

[MBZ] Roger?

2013-08-01 Thread WILTON
Is it Roger L. Ellingson, Seatle? 'Just tried to call his #; no answer. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] A Mercedes with the M103 engine that can last another couple hundred miles!

2013-08-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That's priceless. On Aug 1, 2013 12:48 PM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote: An eBay listing I came across: 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E (Teal Blue, not Seafoam!) http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/1992-Mercedes-Benz-**

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Greg Fiorentino
http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. I was thinking (but hoping not) that would not only be the only fastener as large as that, but that would also account for the poor cooling. It sounds like

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Hattaway
Unless the key is sheared and the pulley is slipping. If this is the case, a good fix is a new engine.  A chancy fix is epoxy.  The keyway in the crank is normally destroyed in this case.  So sad. From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. I was thinking (but hoping not) that would not only be the only fastener as large as that, but that would also account for the poor cooling. It sounds

Re: [MBZ] Roger?

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:26:24 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Is it Roger L. Ellingson, Seatle? 'Just tried to call his #; no answer. Other than missing a t in Seattle, I think it's right. I emailed him offlist on Tuesday, but have gotten no response. Craig

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
Unless the key is sheared and the pulley is slipping. If this is the case, a good fix is a new engine. A chancy fix is epoxy. The keyway in the crank is normally destroyed in this case. So sad. IF the bolt was loose and the damper chattered around, you are correct. In my case, the

Re: [MBZ] Roger?

2013-08-01 Thread WILTON
Yep; 'got in a hurry. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roger? On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:26:24 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Is it

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Hattaway
You can do it with everything in place.  It's not a bad job actually, but I think you may need to make a tool or two.  I don't remember the actual torque value, but it's in the 400 pound-foot range.  First off you'll have to pull the whole mess off, belts and all, and assess the damage in the

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread G Mann
If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Because they can. If you read all 2,000+ pages of the affordable healthcare act [surely must be a joke name] and the

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Hattaway
My buddy's Honda chewed the slot up to a round dent in the crank.  Hard to do, I thought.  Figured it'd chip out.  But it rounded out the crank and chewed up the damper. Now we have the difference between a ricer and a stately Mercedes.. the Mercedes has enough common decency to fail in a

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread WILTON
Vib damper on my '80 240D was poorly secured with 5 or 6 smaller bolts; some came out; others sheared; damper and pulley finally came off and dropped SWMBO on road; long distance truck driver gave her lift to a phone. 'Think the car had about 60 kmi then - my second MB disappointment; first

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Greg Fiorentino
A chancy fix is epoxy. How about (if the key is sheared) braze or hard silver solder a new key onto the crankshaft? Or use some super-duper Loctite on the key as well as the pulley/crankshaft joint? I suspect these would be stronger in a small gap than epoxy. I read that specialized Loctite

Re: [MBZ] Here is one for MAO

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
clay wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branded_(2012_film) Beware the consumerist impulse For sure. Too bad I can't see it. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Greg Fiorentino wrote: A chancy fix is epoxy. How about (if the key is sheared) braze or hard silver solder a new key onto the crankshaft? Or use some super-duper Loctite on the key as well as the pulley/crankshaft joint? I suspect these would be stronger in a small gap than epoxy. I read

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
drfatty wrote: it's a completely broken country. every system is broken and there is no plan to fix anything Totally. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 01/08/2013 2:18 PM, Richard Hattaway wrote: You can do it with everything in place. It's not a bad job actually, but I think you may need to make a tool or two. I don't remember the actual torque value, but it's in the 400 pound-foot range. First off you'll have to pull the whole mess

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Michael Canfield
I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay for my care while incarcerated. Mike On Aug 1, 2013 3:23 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: If the Canadian government will only let them charge

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote: Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do that to you? It is called Death Panel. Doctors do this all the time when they participate in emergency recovery drill such as airplane crash. Individuals are graded as to survivor or not and that is the

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
Mike wrote: I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay for my care while incarcerated. You along with most of okiebenz, it appears. And probably a good portion of the target insurable

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Michael Canfield wrote: I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay for my care while incarcerated. So, what are you going to do if the individual mandate isn't postponed or repealed and

[MBZ] 1964 190D

2013-08-01 Thread Dwight Giles
. Does anyone know a source for a picture of the original type interior in a 64 190D? I can find any in my books. Thanks , Dwight ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
My buddy's Honda chewed the slot up to a round dent in the crank. Hard to do, I thought. Figured it'd chip out. But it rounded out the crank and chewed up the damper. Now we have the difference between a ricer and a stately Mercedes.. the Mercedes has enough common decency to fail in a

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Michael Canfield wrote: I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. No effing way. That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to participate in commerce. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to participate in commerce. Crap. Accidentally deleted half of that and missed a word when retyping. That would give them the idea that they have the power to ORDER us to participate in commerce. (commerce

Re: [MBZ] 1964 190D

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
Yeah, there is a guy in the netherlands that has a nice website with paint colors, interior colors etc. It was a roll and tuck seat cover, with maybe 2 3/4 between the tucks. Let me see if I can find the website. something like heckflosse.nl . Does anyone know a source for a picture of

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. No effing way. That would give them the

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. That's what they say. Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of allowing it. Obama, Pelosi, et al said it's not a tax. Department of

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
We made one when we pulled the bolt on the old 4Runner last summer to replace the head gaskets etc. Basically a steel plate with a hole in the middle to put the socket on the rattle gun through and smaller holes to bolt to the dampener in the spots intended for the bolts that hold the pulley

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
Vib damper on my '80 240D was poorly secured with 5 or 6 smaller bolts; some came out; others sheared; damper and pulley finally came off and dropped SWMBO on road; long distance truck driver gave her lift to a phone. 'Think the car had about 60 kmi then - my second MB disappointment; first

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
What would cause this failure? Fatigue Bolt torque/stretched too far? probably not, but possible If a repair is possible (key NOT sheared or keyway usable) is this likely to happen again? maybe after another 200k miles plus, or if the new bolts are not as good as the old ones.

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. You are assuming that obummercare is a law. It is NOT. (this is where Mao chimes in to tell you the paper that makes the case that it is not a law.) Even though it is not a law, the gummit will attempt to enforce it as if it were a

[MBZ] ACA

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
I think we can all agree that the ACA is a train wreck in the making, - Sharing much personal information with the IRS, the one that is said to be involved in a phoney scandal, - Having no control of who that personal information is given to, - Being

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Michael Canfield
I am not going to pay, period. They will probably try to sieze my personal property, I sold it all already, on paper. Mike On Aug 1, 2013 5:03 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Scott Ritchey
Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a yacht or two. For his vacation he works as a yacht repo guy. Typically he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht,

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 01/08/2013 4:05 PM, Dieselhead wrote: We made one when we pulled the bolt on the old 4Runner last summer to replace the head gaskets etc. Basically a steel plate with a hole in the middle to put the socket on the rattle gun through and smaller holes to bolt to the dampener in the spots

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 01/08/2013 5:14 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a yacht or two. For his vacation he works as a yacht repo guy. Typically he and some buds fly to Florida,

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Scott Ritchey
Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott. -Original Message- On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:19:16 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have no idea what the recommended torque value is. I was just commenting on the ealier post that suggested 400 ft #. Well, it's high, but it is not 400 ft-lb, which will indeed break things. IIRC, it's something

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott. And it is

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread WILTON
Craig, how's your healing going? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:19:16 -0500 Randy Bennell

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:14:37 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a yacht or two. For his vacation he works as a yacht repo guy. Typically he

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Frederick Moir
According to Haynes :- 270-330 Nm or 199-244 Ft-lbs.   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt

Re: [MBZ] ACA

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
Craig wrote: If people refuse to enroll in Obamaʼs Exchanges, Obamacare can be stopped until it is repealed. I like this information, but... Somehow... I doubt much will happen. People love to have health care and want it at prices reflecting Wall Mart sourcing and demanded by the

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Scott Ritchey
It's pretty plain that legality and constitutionality were not overriding considerations when the Supremes ruled on PPACA. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote: That's what they say. Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of allowing it. Oh, WOW!! My intentions preceed me!! It is amazing sometimes how much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know. mao

Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????

2013-08-01 Thread Scott Ritchey
The book says 270-330 Nm (200-244 ft lb). http://pt709.synology.me/03-340.pdf -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt On

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
Mike wrote: I am not going to pay, period. They will probably try to sieze my personal property, I sold it all already, on paper. The personal property at this residence is all old useless being used property of no use to anyone but the dump. Nice old stuff, none of it of any value, I'm sure

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
Craig wrote: And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate. Thanks. Nice. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

2013-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So poos is in Florida, Jabba the fatty is in Florida, I guess I need to come to Florida. On 8/1/2013 5:01 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Yup. We refer to the meeting as WikiBanned. Dan thawing out in the Florida sunshine Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2013, at 1:06 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Hey Jaime what do you think about this car?

2013-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Oh well I did not bid. I all the sudden have an urge for a 79 240D auto, just like my first car. This is a different color but I like this color. On 8/1/2013 5:20 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: It might clean up, but doesn't impress me overall. Too dirty, looks like it was left outside too

Re: [MBZ] Roger?

2013-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Maybe he is dead. On 8/1/2013 2:13 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:26:24 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Is it Roger L. Ellingson, Seatle? 'Just tried to call his #; no answer. Other than missing a t in Seattle, I think it's right. I emailed him offlist on Tuesday, but have

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Nobody cares what is legal and what is not anymore. I guess they can just do whatever they want. So if it is the law, the president does not have the authority to delay the implementation of his law, or cherry pick what to enforce and what to not. Its supposedly the law so he has no right

Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

2013-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Wait until the winter and we'll have a FloriBanned. I have access to a nice private park that would be perfect for it. Dan/Poos On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So poos is in Florida, Jabba the fatty is in Florida, I guess I need to come to Florida.

Re: [MBZ] Finally, a photo of my 240D

2013-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Very nice. One of my most favorite features of the W123s and others - color-keyed wheel covers. I think that was one of the nicest design touches these cars had. The bundts are fugly. Dan who lusts for a W111 On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Darren Marshall wrote: image.jpeg Darren

Re: [MBZ] Roger?

2013-08-01 Thread Craig
On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 18:29:16 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Maybe he is dead. Or sick again. Time will tell. Craig On 8/1/2013 2:13 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:26:24 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Is it Roger L. Ellingson, Seatle? 'Just tried to

Re: [MBZ] Finally, a photo of my 240D

2013-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
That 116 I was looking at was this color I believe. On 7/31/2013 7:43 PM, Darren Marshall wrote: Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Mountain Man wrote: Mitch wrote: That's what they say. Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of allowing it. Oh, WOW!! My intentions preceed me!! It is amazing sometimes how much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know. mao Did I guess

Re: [MBZ] Poor quality parts

2013-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK On 8/1/2013 6:36 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wait until the winter and we'll have a FloriBanned. I have access to a nice private park that would be perfect for it. Dan/Poos On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So poos is in Florida, Jabba the fatty is in Florida, I guess I

Re: [MBZ] Roger?

2013-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Maybe he is dead. I found his mom's obit but nothing like that on him. Here's where he works: http://www.northwhatcomlaw.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] Finally, a photo of my 240D

2013-08-01 Thread WILTON
Sure reminds me how much I liked my '80 240D. Wilton - Original Message - From: Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Finally, a photo of my 240D Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com

Re: [MBZ] Roger?

2013-08-01 Thread WILTON
I checked, too; found no obit, etc. 'Been trying to call 'im all afternoon; no answer. Will try more this evening. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:47 PM Subject: Re:

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