, February 20, 2010 5:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts, etc,
same hassles.
The W124 is completely different -- multilink suspension (and you
probably need to replace them all) plus four subframe
Are we talking W124 or W126 here?
On the W124, you use a piece of pipe and the bolt (with a nut and
washer and plate) to pull the mount out of the subframe. Once goes
in the top, one goes in the bottom. Ditto going back in.
On the W126/W123/W115, the mount comes out the bottom, they
, February 20, 2010 11:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
My 87 300 D had the lower wheel carrier bushing totally crapped out at
160K By 180k the links were going bad.
About how long does it take to go thru the rear suspension
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From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
My 87 300 D had the lower wheel carrier bushing totally crapped out
at 160K By 180k
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From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:17 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Biggest thing to notice is the camber of the rear tires or any
squirrelyness
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From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:17 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Biggest thing to notice is the camber of the rear tires or any
squirrelyness in handling
Thx Loren - my '91 300D just turned 176K
Peter Frederick wrote:
Check the frame bushings on the rear anti-sway bar too -- when they
get old, hard, and shrink, the bar rattles in them.
I can attest to this as well! If they get really bad it almost sounds
like metal on metal rattling.
John
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I've had a couple of collapsed engine mounts. One was brand new from
dealer when i installed the factory crate engine in a 115. I spent weeks
looking for that rattling noise till I finally looked at the new mount! It
is the sound of metal hammering on metal - either at idle, or under
acceleration,
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From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:22 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
I've had a couple of collapsed engine mounts. One was brand new from
dealer when i installed
Short bit of PVC pipe and a metal plate will do coming out, you need
some washers and probably the correct sized pipe to pull the new ones
in.
There are MB tools, but you can improvise. Key point is to push on
the housing going in, not the inner part so you don't run the risk of
tearing
Are there threaded holes for pulling? On the 123 i didn't see any
way to pull the old bushing. Could you give me some
dimensions/sketches so I could build the puller and pusher tools
ahead of time? Thanks!
Short bit of PVC pipe and a metal plate will do coming out, you need
some washers
There are special tools for that - my attempt at making a tool to remove the
locking ring by grinding down an old socket was a total failure. Using the
proper tool made it simple.
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Are there threaded holes for pulling? On
I have not yet made the tools myself -- you should probably get the
new bushings and see what you need from there. I'm hoping to get
them done next month.
They are held in with a bolt through the center part into the frame,
so there are no threaded holes. Front and rear are not the
so how can you pull the bushings if there is nothing to attach to?
Sounds like the old big screwdriver is a way to go. I'll be
interested to hear how you do it. I looked on Dave M's website, but
I didn't find any info or pictures about pullers or technique. Lots
of stuff about sportline
Any special tools, tricks, or techniques to change the rear subframe
mounts on a 124? thinking about doing that sometime in the next
month or so.
I need to do the same on the 126 also. I did them on the 123 and
survived. But that one was rusty enough that it took a 6 foot pipe
on the
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From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 12:54 PM
Any special tools, tricks, or
techniques to change the rear subframe mounts on a
124? thinking about doing
What are the symptoms of needing new rear subframe bushings on a W123?
A lot of rattling noises?
Allan
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1983 300D
LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes:
I can't speak for the 124, but if you've done a 123, you should be OK for a
126. Just get a big breaker bar and some soapy water. If you soap
: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 4:33 PM
What are the symptoms of needing new
rear subframe bushings on a W123?
A lot of rattling noises?
Allan
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1983 300D
LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com
writes:
I
The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts,
etc, same hassles.
The W124 is completely different -- multilink suspension (and you
probably need to replace them all) plus four subframe mounts, two
front and two rear (not the same). It can be done by jacking up the
rattling is the torsion bar links. they are cheap and easy to replace.
Subframe mounts worn leads to squirrely cornering, like you have rear steering
What are the symptoms of needing new rear subframe bushings on a W123?
A lot of rattling noises?
Allan
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1983 300D
LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:
rattling is the torsion bar links. they are cheap and easy to
replace.
I replaced mine a few years ago. How long do they normally last?
Allan
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1983 300D
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From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
Sent: Feb 20, 2010 8:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:
rattling is the torsion bar links. they are cheap and easy to
replace
: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts,
etc, same hassles.
The W124 is completely different -- multilink suspension (and you
probably need
? www.youroil.net
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From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts
Thanks Peter. I was hoping the 124 subframe bushings could be
replaced without having to drop the whole subframe out. Sounds like
that is do-able. What is the pusher/puller tool you refer to? Is it
a tool with an MB part number? Is it something that can be shop-made?
On the 123, I used
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