R A Bennell wrote:
It is basic ignorance. Most people out there have no idea that your old
diesel can't go any faster. For whatever reason, people behind the wheel
often become irritated way too easy. Traffic is frustrating at times and
people have no patience. They just want you out of their
Trampas wrote:
There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes.
With all due respect, a cheap BMW is much more expensive. ;)
Marshall Booth wrote:
The cost of major repairs on a Mercedes (required infrequently, but if
needed - they ARE REQUIRED) can be very high...
Part of the problem is Mercedes mechanics are expensive and hard to
find, and run-of-the-mill shops don't want to touch these cars. I'm
beginning to
All the people I work with and my neighbors are on their second or third
cars. Total cost for two brand new cars is in the range of 40-65k plus
interest cost for some.. they always tease me about my car is under
repair most of the times but I tell them in 12 years since I owned
the
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Bill
1981 300 TD
p.s. major work is done in Canada like $1,261.00 bill at a MB
But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting aside:
One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to
investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had
any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an old
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You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that
I
just had
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Tom Scordato wrote:
I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and
are
in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges
.
Small stubby angle ratchet helps.
Tom Scordato
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But would
There are good Mercedes and bad ones. It really depends on the prior
maintenance. One thing is for sure once a car reaches a critical
threshold
of broken stuff it is junk.
That threshold varies depending on what is wrong, and your DIY
abilities and interests. But even a junk car, such as the
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But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting
aside:
One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to
investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were
Brian Chase wrote:
So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally
speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has
problems?
You seem to imagine that the prices being asked and given actually
correlate with the car's condition. Sometimes they
Your new acqusition sounds a lot like mine - the paint that shines up
(though the blemishes up close are depressing) the good interior, the no
rust, even the scrape on the side.
Your summary of WHY these autos are so good is useful. That's the type of
pertinent answer I was looking for - as
As Herr Doktor says is true. I would like to point out that it is a lot
cheaper to risk making a mistake with a kaleb car or a $2500 car or even a
$5000 car than to make a mistake with a collectable car that sells in the
30k to 500k range or more.
I have made a couple of mistakes with $1000
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Brian said
All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it
is one of the few that - since I
Of course not.
Let me try to phrase things better: What DOES explain the great variance in
asking price of these vehicles? Let's remove the variable of folks being on
crack for the moment. I mean, if some people ask 8 or 10 thousand for their
123, what's stopping everybody from doing so? There is
I've bought five MB diesels in the last four years with less total money
than I paid for a used Camry. I paid too much for two of them, got very
good deals on two others and one was just about right.
The SDL that I paid much too much for has costs me the most and is still not
in good shape. The
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
Actually I have already RR'd the starter and it was very simple.
The only
problem, in fact, was physically extracting the thing from the engine
compartment. The first time I did it I struggled a good while but
got it.
The second time I failed
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
Hope this clears up what I was getting at when I said that some
sellers ask
much lower prices, and the only explanation that I could come up
with is
that there are such obvious problems with the vehicle that they know
they can't realistically
in good shape. The best deal has costs very little, so what I paid
did not
match what I got.
The best deal is not usually the best car, in any but perhaps the
purely monetary sense. My best deal is probably the Frankenheap.
But it's not a datemobile, to say the least!
-- Jim
But I was surprised to hear, from the Doktor, that some of those $10k
prices
might actually be warranted.
Not really if you stop to think about, with maybe a parts
catalog for reference. If you love such a car, and want it
to be in near-new condition you can buy one for $10k (say),
or spend
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Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB
diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right
now.
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
Hope this clears up what I was getting at when I said that some
sellers ask
much lower prices, and the only explanation that I could come up
Tom,
I have swaped engines on a couple of occasions at the 240D level. The
major issues you will run into will be the glow system and some issues
with which power steering pumps, pulleys, harmonic balancers, etc fit
what cars. If you have A/C that can also be an issue.
What it amounts to is
123 chassis. The vacuum door locks give me real grief on all those. I
do by
With some ingenuity, the electric-pump system of later cars
(124/126/201)
could be fitted to your 123. On the whole that system is a lot more
reliable. It would be a labor of love, for a car that otherwise
pleased
On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
My best deal is probably the Frankenheap.
But it's not a datemobile, to say the least!
My best MB deal has to be The $100 Car 1979 300SD w/ 134,000mi. It
really just needed to be cleaned up and driven after some adjustments
and I had to
'Tom,
You asked: why so hateful? I think it's human nature to act like the kids in
line at school, pushing and shoving. Why so discontent? Also human nature,
but IMHO, bolstered by TV. Someone has said that TV only exists in order to
show commercials, and commercials ony exist to make us
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'Tom,
You asked: why so hateful? I think it's human nature to act like the kids in
line at school, pushing and shoving. Why so
You hit it right on.
I began to realize this a few years back when I'd drive to the dog park
around rush hour because that's when my sweetheart went there. I would just
about every day I would encounter one or two drivers who would get
aggressive with me, sometimes worse than others. But once at
A few questions for the group please
1. Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out
major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year?
2. What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove
things such as alternators, refer
Tom Scordato wrote:
I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are
in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some
time.
I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do
not have the scope of supply to do
You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I
just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete
RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected
expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100.
Was it worth it to us?
You'll have to change the exhaust too.
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A few questions
one in it.
There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes.
Trampas
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Zoltan Finks wrote:
You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I
just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete
RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected
expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100.
: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I
just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete
RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected
expenses
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