Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

embarqmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration The biggest and heaviest hand cannon I've ever seen was a 45 cal on a 44 cal frame. It took a strong arm to hold it out and shoot it accurately. The police gave it to an ex-mar

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<richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration You got to be asking yourself one question... --R On 12/13/15 9:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes wrote: > I've had one for 20+ years. Used it for Silhouette Com

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unday, December 13, 2015 6:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration I've only shot .44 mag in a pistol once before and that was a Thompson Contender single shot. It about blew my hand off. I think dad and I shot half a box and c

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: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration I always wanted to carry the 410 with slugs for deer hunting, but the state sed no. I know I'd have done better with it, and I'd a not shot unless I knew it would drop it. the 410 had rifle sights and a flatter trajectory than a 12. Not a lot

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edes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration > > I am not a fan of slugs for deer. I hit a good sized Whitetail buck on the > shoulder once with a 12 ga

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automatic shotgun with a pistol grip, but several on the list said there would be too much kick. I disagree. The arm can absorb a lot of recoil, if you hold it right. (Not with your elbow locked.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration I always wanted to carry the 410 with slugs for deer hunting,

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rcedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration Assuming its this stuff: http://www.basspro.com/Winchester-AA-Supersport-Sporting-Clay-Target-Load-Shotshells/product/67821/or similar I

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t <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration That'd be the 600 JR.  What I had. Btw, the WIn AA was originally a trap load.  (back in my day) generally 1 1/8 of 7 1/2 >Dad and I have Mec presses in 12,

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automatic shotgun with a pistol grip, but several on the list said there would be too much kick. I disagree. The arm can absorb a lot of recoil, if you hold it right. (Not with your elbow locked.) -- Jim The one sound that tends to stop evildoers is the sound a a shell being chambered in

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A semi-automatic shotgun doesn't kick much, I don't think a pistol grip would be bad. Military weapons training for me included learning to shoot a pump shotgun (more kick than a semi-auto) from the hip, so the stock did very little to help absorb the kick. Give me the choice, I'd also take

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Having shot both semiauto and non-semiauto shotguns, I would say that the recoil on a semiauto is significantly less. First shotgun I ever shot was a Winchester double barrel. Had a bruise on my shoulder after 50 rounds of trap. Ouch. After I used a semiauto I was amazed at the difference.

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Gerry wrote: ...back in the days of more personal freedom... Probably also back in the day when there was personal responsibility. mao And fewer lawyers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

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Curly wrote: > The one sound that tends to stop evildoers is the sound a a shell being > chambered in a twelve ga pump. Either that or the sound of a round being chambered in .45 ACP, according to Peter Boyles a Denver talk radio host 30 years ago. He and Alan Berg were friends

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ember 12, 2015 11:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration Greg Fiorentino wrote: > Is he in WA? Where do they require a test? > The .40 S is a good manstopper and not hard to master. Semi-autos are more

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Gerry wrote: > ...back in the days of more personal freedom... Probably also back in the day when there was personal responsibility. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

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<d...@penoff.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration Having shot both semiauto and non-semiauto shotguns, I would say that the recoil on a semiauto is significantly less. First shotgun I ever shot was a Winchester double

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mber 13, 2015 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration Many people are misinformed about the shot spread of a shotgun. At "social" distances (say 15 ft.) the pattern is only a few inches in diameter so you pretty-much need to aim just like a rifle. A .410 (o

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Assuming its this stuff: http://www.basspro.com/Winchester-AA-Supersport-Sporting-Clay-Target-Load-Shotshells/product/67821/or similar I see your problem, 3 1/4 dram equivalent is heavy. The dram was a measure of black powder back in the olden days.Save some money, go to Wal-Mart and get

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enough. He had to purposefully slow down a little but or it would jam. Hard in the moment when shooting doubles in trap. -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230S

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he lives with a bunch of gun nuts with a large vault loaded with all manner of ammo and long guns as well as hand cannon. He gets a chub from the 1911. The options for hand gun are plenty. I figure he will figure it out one way or other. I pointed him at something in the .4x range. May

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> On December 13, 2015 at 5:40 PM Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > For that the original 1911 is hard to beat. How original do you want to be? Some of the upgrades in the last 100 years are kind of necessary, like better sights, the ability to feed hollow

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; To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration > > Sawed off is awful illegal. > One of the manufacturers had a .410 shotgun with a short barrel and pistol &

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410 are crazy expensive now. Back when I was in HS they were $5 when 12 was $2.50 a box. Now they are more than 2x. 20 is about the same as 410 and 16 is probably worse. 20 is nice for trap, but 12 is so much cheaper over the long haul. Another reason to make each shot count. 12 has a lot

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than about 25 yards. -Curt From: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com> To: 'Curt Raymond' <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebrati

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.com> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration 410 are crazy expensive now.  Back when I was in HS they were $5 when 12 was $2.50 a box.  Now they are more than 2x. 20 is about the s

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com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration Greg Fiorentino wrote: > Is he in WA? Where do t

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> To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: clay > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration > > #1 boy called to let me know he passed his CCP tests. He is thinking he > wants some form of hand cannon, but could settle for a girly .38 > > > clay > >

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For that the original 1911 is hard to beat. he lives with a bunch of gun nuts with a large vault loaded with all manner of ammo and long guns as well as hand cannon. He gets a chub from the 1911. The options for hand gun are plenty. I figure he will figure it out one way or other. I

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Many thanks to Jim, Max, Dan, Curly, and Mao for their suggestions. Found new rules on short shotguns today as well as factory made guns. According to federal rules, a factory made shotgun with a hand stock, smooth barrel, and a total length of no more than 26" is considered an AOW (any other

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: Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: clay Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration he lives with a bunch of gun nuts with a large vault loaded with all manner of ammo and long guns as well as hand cannon. He gets a chub from the 1911. The options

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Correct. However, it was a single barrel Winchester, not a double as I originally misstated. Two boxes of shells apiece (25 rounds each box.) And I was beaten to a pulp. It had a standard wood stock and no pad on it. Ouch. I have neve been hurt by an O/U, or anything since, as after the

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t; <arche...@embarqmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration The biggest and heaviest hand cannon I've ever seen was a 45 cal on a 44 cal frame. It took a strong arm to hold it out and shoot it accurately. The police g

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The gun nuts he lives with have a few examples of the Desert Eagle in various calibers. I think he really loved the .50 AE. After one clip he could not shoot anymore. Watched the bullet stroll toward targets. clay On Dec 12, 2015, at 10:14 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: > The biggest

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50 rounds of trap would leave you beaten to a pulp. I think you mean 2 rounds or 50 shots. If you're hurt from an over/under:1. The gun isn't heavy enough2. The loads are overkill, you don't need 3" shells for trap, "trap load" is a light load with 1oz or 1 1/8"oz of shot.3. You're not holding

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

Correct. However, it was a single barrel Winchester, not a double as I originally misstated. Two boxes of shells apiece (25 rounds each box.) And I was beaten to a pulp. It had a standard wood stock and no pad on it. Ouch. I have neve been hurt by an O/U, or anything since, as after the

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r 13, 2015 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration Correct.  However, it was a single barrel Winchester, not a double as I originally misstated.  Two boxes of shells apiece (25 rounds each box.) And I was beaten to a pulp.  It had a standard wood stock and no pad on

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Same here - the 20 was great (Win model 50). I wasn't bad with the 410 either, but it was a single shot. The Marlin goose gun, 36" 12 ga, 3" mag chamber was no fun to shoot, even with the rubber pad. On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

cLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration Our state was shotgun only, but banned 410.  Had to

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with it but got several partridge and a rabbit. -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebr

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g your own anymore, buy 'em buy the case at Wal-Mart... -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and

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December 13, 2015 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration I've had one for 20+ years. Used it for Silhouette Comp shooting. It's built like the proverbial Brick Outhouse. Great weapon unlike the S .44 mag the Ruger Rolls in your hand instead pushing straight back.

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20ga is no good for trap, its 12ga or nothing. Nobody shoots trap competitively with a 20ga, or I've never seen anybody that could keep up and I saw a lot of people try. -Curt I don't remember my score changing much with the 20. Since I didn't have dies and wads were crazy expensive, i had

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hough... -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amend

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The biggest and heaviest hand cannon I've ever seen was a 45 cal on a 44 cal frame. It took a strong arm to hold it out and shoot it accurately. The police gave it to an ex-marine-newspaper reporter friend who had been threatened by some people about whom he had written a story. He kept it

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#1 boy called to let me know he passed his CCP tests. He is thinking he wants some form of hand cannon, but could settle for a girly .38 clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump

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: Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration #1 boy called to let me know he passed his CCP tests. He is thinking he wants some form of hand cannon, but could settle for a girly .38 clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976

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If he can settle for a 9 measly mm, the refills are much cheaper! #1 boy called to let me know he passed his CCP tests. He is thinking he wants some form of hand cannon, but could settle for a girly .38 clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two

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Greg Fiorentino wrote: > Is he in WA? Where do they require a test? > The .40 S is a good manstopper and not hard to master. Semi-autos are more > reliable and concealable than revolvers, although a revolver is simpler to > operate. A very compact (and very concealable) .380 auto like the Ruger

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#1 boy called to let me know he passed his CCP tests. He is thinking he wants some form of hand cannon, but could settle for a girly .38 clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump -