Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-24 Thread redghost
I better get in touch with him. OH, I can just wait for our fearless leader to ignore the flu and natural disasters. That should clean enough folks off the face of the planet. On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at 04:47 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Here's your answer redghost -- from your new-found

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-23 Thread Rich Thomas
Here's your answer redghost -- from your new-found progressive friends in San Francisco! Whodathunkit? --R *GREEN Maybe None Is having a child -- even one -- environmentally destructive? http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2005/11/16/gree.DTL ** *- Gregory Dicum, Special to SF

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-23 Thread David Brodbeck
B Dike wrote: Isn't that the 'everybody does it' excuse? No, not exactly. I'm arguing the problem is economics of agriculture in those countries, and the lack of any environmental protection. You can't lay the problem at the feet of a specific cash crop, like biodiesel, because it's

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Frederick
I've not read this whole debate, but one should remember to verify the quality and veracity of any source of information before responding to it. There is an amazing amount of distortion of data out there (primarily from the right wing, but leftists aren't above fixing things either). The

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Ah, finally found the original post (I'm on vacation using a 31Kb modem connection). What is removing the rain forests is not alternative fuels (unless we start burning wood or methanol in our diesels) but logging, both to farm and to provide lumber and ACTIVATED CHARCOAL -- all carbon

[MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200511\NAT20051122a.html *Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge* By Marc Morano CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 22, 2005 *(CNSNews.com)* - An alternative fuel source once considered more Earth-friendly than

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread TimothyPilgrim
(sigh) We just can't win either way, can we? Looks like we'll all have to revert to a barefoot hunter-gatherer society in order to satisfy some people. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 11/22/05, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread Lee Levitt
PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge This is just plain stupid. They are assuming that all new production would come from rainforests. do you have any idea how much good usable farmland in this country is going unused

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread Christopher McCann
The beauty (in the truest sense of the word) of the diesel engine is that it can run on LOTS of things. So it is inconsequential that bio-fuels from virgin feedstocks could never run every diesel engine in the world. As long as the US govt pays farmers to keep MILLIONS of acres out of

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200511\NAT20051122a.html Keep in mind that CNS is a right-wing news site, much like Newsmax. Not to say they don't have some merit, but you need mentally apply some windage to compensate for their bias.

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread B Dike
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18825265.400feedId=online-news_rss20 New Scientist has a similar article, no overt political leaning. David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200511\NAT20051122a.html

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread David Brodbeck
B Dike wrote: It's not beautiful if the expansion of palm oil production for biodiesel is one of the leading causes of rainforest destruction in south-east Asia. Before biodiesel, it was beef. If biodiesel goes away, it'll be something else. I think the driving force here isn't demand

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread B Dike
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Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread redghost
F O E need to stop using energy themselves. Pack of hypocrites. Go barefoot, weave hemp clothing, and eat veggies. Ride a wooden bike, and never take public transportation or use electric lighting. Get rid of radios and TV. Junk the computer too. On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at

Re: [MBZ] Green Fuels Would Damage Environment, Critics Charge

2005-11-22 Thread redghost
Bruce, we just need to get the WVO, after all the junk has been cooked. That will allow multiple uses, and we can capture the exhaust from power plants to feed algae and turn that into biofuels. As a real treat, we go after all the excess candy from holidays and ship it to a reprocessing