Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Berkshire Hathaway.. that shirt company… owns a vast amount of rail in the west. No idea what it holds east of the Mississippy clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On Jul 2, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Freight rail is heavily used in the

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Very true! Also remember that all electrical use does not occur at the same time. Typically cooling/heating demand is highest during the day and most EVs will be charged at night - actually evening out the load somewhat. On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 1:06 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <

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I mean, a gallon of gasoline or diesel fuel has made quite a trip to make it into my vehicle. It's amazing that it can be as inexpensive as it is ... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 1:58 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > EV proponents argue that EVs are

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

> EV proponents argue that EVs are much more efficient and... While EV's may be, the _grid_ as a whole is something abysmal like 50% efficient. That 'use-anywhere' convenience comes at quite an overall cost. When you stack up all the inefficiencies, each original erg is marked down

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I agree. Our electrical production and transmission "pipes" are sized with an upper limit on load that did not contemplate needing to support the energy equivalent of all the motor vehicle fuel consumed every day. EV proponents argue that EVs are much more efficient and while that may be true

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

It also points out the folly of massive centralized systems. When one plant goes down, too many are left without power (which most of us depend on for daily life). We need efficient local (in my backyard) power generation systems - decentralized power (thorium reactors, anyone?). You can then

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Billions of government support dollars have been thrown at solar, wind, and other alternate energy systems. Those government free money dollars produced more solar farms, wind farms, and programs to build more. However, each system to date has a fatal flaw. That flaw being, the wind doesn't always

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One of the things I’ve heard of late and agree with is that the infrastructure to support charging at a scale that some are attempting to envision just doesn’t exist and probably never will. -D > On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:47 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Am I being too simplistic

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Bulk freight, not parcel freight, and never scheduled. We still move way to much stuff by truck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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Freight rail is heavily used in the USA, more than most of the rest of the world. Freight railroads own most of the track which is why passenger service is a second class citizen except in the northeast where Amtrak owns some routes. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality Having been in Europe long enough, I'd much rather take the train on a trip. Back before the suburban craze, every city had good transportation systems, LA was superb. Naturally, GM bought it and shut is down

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It is a law of nature that two things represent the extreme ends of any spectrum. Government on one end, and Reality and Logic on the other. A bridge built of borrowed money to be paid back with taxes will never be able to connect the two ends. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:48 PM Larry Turner via

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Eric the Car Guy does not feel the electric cars will save the world. EV is a religion not a solution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cC18ZntMrg Clay inter urinas et faeces nascimur > On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Am I being too simplistic to wonder what will happen when all the cars are electric (green wet dream) and all other consumer electronic/electrical devices depend on plug in 110v for charging?  Seems to me, when that kind of demand hits, the solar and wind farms will be woefully unable to

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

No, the freight rail issue was the railroads trying to get a monopoly and shut everyone else down. Huge shipping rate wars resulted in the collapse of the rail beds and operations because they weren't making enough money, in spite of being able to legally cooperate on setting rates. Corporate

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

> Electric just pushes the carbon use off to another place. For most. In WA, a significant majority of electricity is generated without carbon as a 'working fluid'. There are other 'green' (-ish) states, such as Vermont. See:

Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

> Naturally, GM bought it and shut is down I heard the same type of thing happened with freight by rail years ago too. Again, at the behest of GM. Not sure if that's the truth, or folklore. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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Having been in Europe long enough, I'd much rather take the train on a trip. Back before the suburban craze, every city had good transportation systems, LA was superb. Naturally, GM bought it and shut is down ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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>since we won't be paying huge amounts of money for the "freedom" of driving >ten miles to the grocery and 50 miles to work every day Or the "freedom" of taking a driving vacation. Or the "freedom" to visit your kids away at college. Or the "freedom" of visiting dying parents several

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As I have said for decades, the actual solution to using carbon fuels is to quit driving and doing things like mowing huge lawns. Electric just pushes the carbon use off to another place. The correct solution, as I see it, to too many cars burning fossil fuels is to re-build our cities to

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The primary justification for electric vehicles is reducing CO2, which they don't when you look at the entire cycle of building and operating one. I didn't see that in his summary, and admit that I didn't read the complete transcript. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 2:59 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

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Here in the midwest I am seeing more EVs than I used to, but they're still rare enough that you notice them. Bear in mind I live in a very left-leaning university town. There are also a lot of wealthy foreign students that buy exotic cars to use while they are in school. Maseratis, Ferraris,

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Yeah, another point, brought up the late Dr. Marshall Booth, is the road / fuel taxes. He argued this for the "grease kit" fad, that people brewing their own fuel were avoiding the fuel tax at the pump, which pays for roads. Some states are trying to address that with increased registration fees

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No middle or poor people in GWN have electron power car. SEA has a goodly market, but the only folks with median or below income who own said car are UBER drivers running former municipal LEAF or Priuapus that just squeak under the age limits. On the other side of the fence are the uber rich

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It's like "free college" plans. What will happen is the working class taxpayers who don't go to college will end up footing the bill for the white collar people who do, and who will earn more money and end up being their bosses. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

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Most damning, in my mind, are the very regressive policies which make poor people pay for rich people to enjoy electric cars. Poor people pay electric bills, and part of those bills are the infrastructure upgrades to the grid. Middle class people pay taxes, some of those taxes pay for incentives

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Thank you Max. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 3:40 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Robert Bryce testified before a House committee yesterday on the subject of > electric vehicles. > > >

[MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Robert Bryce testified before a House committee yesterday on the subject of electric vehicles. https://docs.house.gov/meetings/CN/CN00/20210630/112853/HHRG-117-CN00-Wstate-BryceR-20210630.pdf Robert is one of the country’s most knowledgeable experts on energy, and I encourage you to read his