Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-03 Thread Chuck Landenberger
David, I'm not going to be much help, except that I DID get a right side convex mirror for my 1980 300SD. It's still there!! The downside is that was about 15 years ago... Sorry, but the memory has faded as to where I got it! Chuck Phoenix, AZ Convex glass would help.

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-03 Thread Marshall Booth
David Brodbeck wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: THat is what i liked ( and still like) about the 108-112 (inclusive) cars GREAT visibility! 123s are not bad. Agreed...you sit low in a 123, but the visibility all around is pretty good. My only real complaint is the mirrors, which are kind of

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 12/1/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I still haven't gotten used to the high beltlines and small greenhouses that designers favor, these days. I don't WANT to get used to that styling trend. It's terrible for visibility and headroom. I was interested in the Chrysler 300

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-02 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:38:00 -0800 Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/1/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I still haven't gotten used to the high beltlines and small greenhouses that designers favor, these days. I don't WANT to get used to that styling trend.

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-02 Thread David Brodbeck
I don't WANT to get used to that styling trend. It's terrible for visibility and headroom. That's my complaint, too. Apparently, market research shows that most people like it, though -- it supposedly makes them feel safer and more secure.

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-02 Thread Loren Faeth
THat is what i liked ( and still like) about the 108-112 (inclusive) cars GREAT visibility! 123s are not bad. At 12:22 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: I don't WANT to get used to that styling trend. It's terrible for visibility and headroom. That's my complaint, too. Apparently, market

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-02 Thread David Brodbeck
Loren Faeth wrote: THat is what i liked ( and still like) about the 108-112 (inclusive) cars GREAT visibility! 123s are not bad. Agreed...you sit low in a 123, but the visibility all around is pretty good. My only real complaint is the mirrors, which are kind of skimpy. In particular,

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-01 Thread David Brodbeck
John Robbins wrote: 96- Ford trucks I like, and the 96+ are super bloated and plasticy looking to me. The new new ones scream I'm compensating for something! To me the proportions of the new ones look off...that huge tall tailgate, mostly. I guess I still haven't gotten used to the

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-12-01 Thread R A Bennell
list Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing John Robbins wrote: 96- Ford trucks I like, and the 96+ are super bloated and plasticy looking to me. The new new ones scream I'm compensating for something! To me the proportions of the new ones look off...that huge tall tailgate, mostly. I guess I

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread R A Bennell
2:19 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing R A Bennell wrote: I had a 74 Vega brand new. The sheetmetal was recycled and rusted and it was noisy but it was a cheap fuel efficient car and served me well for the roughly 3 years that I drove it. I'm in Canada so the prices

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
speaking of GM products from the 80's thru early 90's, especially the front wheel drive cars, there is this dude I know locally that has a MANY FWD GM cars, buick etc. He takes the time to swap trannies on them, replace cracked heads, whatever. I was telling him just today that he is the

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread David Brodbeck
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of GM products from the 80's thru early 90's, especially the front wheel drive cars, there is this dude I know locally that has a MANY FWD GM cars, buick etc. He takes the time to swap trannies on them, replace cracked heads, whatever. I was telling him just

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
of less than $500 per year on a new car is not bad. Randy note original message partly deleted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT GM bashing It has become

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread Zeitgeist
Everybody's a critic, and in keeping with my shallow and vapid ways, I don't have any actual experience with their products or engineering, but I've always hated GM purely on aesthetic grounds. I came of automotive age in the early '80's, and they made (and still do) hideously offensive looking

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread Hans Neureiter
GM, GM, GM. The cheap heap of the past, Dodge, is nowadays the hottest tamale. And Ford? hideously offensive looks like the whole line over the past 15 years. All look like Tauruses (Tauri ?), including the newest Jaguar. God forgive, what have they done. On 11/29/05, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread R A Bennell
: Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing I think they alway made good trucks. The cars were a different story. R A Bennell wrote: On the other hand, GM made some darned good vehicles in the mid to late 60's. I still have a 68 Chevy pickup and it rides as good as any truck I have ever driven. Everytime I

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread John Robbins
Zeitgeist wrote: Everybody's a critic, and in keeping with my shallow and vapid ways, I don't have any actual experience with their products or engineering, but I've always hated GM purely on aesthetic grounds. I came of automotive age in the early '80's, and they made (and still do) Heh, I

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-30 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 11/29/05, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And Ford? hideously offensive looks like the whole line over the past 15 years. All look like Tauruses (Tauri ?), including the newest Jaguar. The X-type and S-type look like Tauri... but the XJ looks like a Crown Vic!!! Alex Chamberlain

[MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-29 Thread Donald Snook
It has become fashionable to bash GM lately. I recognize that there are a lot of problems at GM right now and certainly GM made some really lousy cars in the 70's and 80's. GM also gave us some pretty fantastic ideas. GM was the first domestic company to build a front wheel drive car (1966 Olds

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-29 Thread David Brodbeck
Donald Snook wrote: It has become fashionable to bash GM lately. I recognize that there are a lot of problems at GM right now and certainly GM made some really lousy cars in the 70's and 80's. GM ain't what they used to be, and that's a GOOD thing. I drove my roommate's '99 Chevy Malibu

Re: [MBZ] OT GM bashing

2005-11-29 Thread David Brodbeck
R A Bennell wrote: I had a 74 Vega brand new. The sheetmetal was recycled and rusted and it was noisy but it was a cheap fuel efficient car and served me well for the roughly 3 years that I drove it. I'm in Canada so the prices may be out of whack for you but I paid $2850 for it brand new and